Guest aususa Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 "aususa" <josephblow1@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1177113234.279675.30940@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 > people > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita I thought you said those stats WERE BULLSHIT? Now, when it suits you, you use them? You're a PROVEN FRAUD. Quote
Guest cyrakis@yahoo.com Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 On Apr 20, 4:53 pm, aususa <josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > Why restrict a list like this to just murders committed with firearms? Do you think being murdered with a knife or a club is less traumatic or something? Based on this clear attempt to lie with statistics, one must also wonder if firearm suicides are not also being counted as "murders" on this bullshit list. What is kind of interesting about this list however is how the countries with total gun bans, such as the UK and Australia still have firearm related murders. How is it possible to have gun murders in countries that don't have guns? That sure is mysterious. Quote
Guest SportsBookJunkie Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 On Apr 20, 4:53 pm, aususa <josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country > > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 > people > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 peoplehttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murder... Hey, you missed the stats that show how much VIOLENT CRIME went up in the countries that ban guns.. I guess that didn't suit your purpose, so you left it out.. Nice try, no points for runner up though. Quote
Guest aususa Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 On Apr 24, 8:05 am, SportsBookJunkie <JimmyD...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 4:53 pm,aususa<josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > > > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country > > > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people > > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people > > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people > > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people > > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people > > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people > > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people > > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people > > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people > > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people > > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people > > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people > > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people > > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people > > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 > > people > > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people > > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people > > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people > > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people > > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people > > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people > > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people > > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people > > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people > > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people > > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people > > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people > > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people > > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people > > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people > > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people > > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 peoplehttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murder... > > Hey, you missed the stats that show how much VIOLENT CRIME went up in > the countries that ban guns.. > > I guess that didn't suit your purpose, so you left it out.. > > Nice try, no points for runner up though.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Nice try pal, but the USA has the highest rate of violent crime in the western world. How sad it is that the American gun lobby is reduced to lies and distortions to justify their own failed policies that result in more,not less violence. The USA has more than 3 times the homicide rate, and more than double the assault and burglarly rate than Australia. This is despite the USA having one of the highest incarceration rates in the world (imprisonment). By the way, Australia's homicide rate has dropped significantly since an assault weapon ban a few years ago after a crazed gunman went on a killing spree in Tasmania. So I say to all Americans if you want to live in a safer country, you need to impose stricter gun control laws or move to another country. 2003 Crimes USA Per Australia Per USA % of Description Number 100,000 Number 100,000 Australia Population 290,809,777 20,008,700 Homicides 16,582 5.7 341 1.7 335% Assault 4,606,740 1,584 158,269 791 200% Robbery 596,130 205 19,709 99 208% Rape 198,850 68 18,237 91 75% And what about rape where the USA shows a lower rate? Well considering only 12 to 20% of rape victims ever report the crime and victims in the USA would be afraid of a gun toting rapist, I would suggest you can't read too much into that figure as a reflection of the total number of rapes. And for those who don't believe me, you can obtain these official government stats on: USA crime stats: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one Aus crim stats: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/facts_and_figures_2005.pdf Quote
Guest aususa Posted April 25, 2007 Posted April 25, 2007 On Apr 24, 6:04 am, "cyra...@yahoo.com" <cyra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 4:53 pm,aususa<josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote:> USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > > Why restrict a list like this to just murders committed with firearms? > Do you think being murdered with a knife or a club is less traumatic > or something? A fair point, however, guns are more deadly that other weapons, but just to appease you I have provided a link that shows the USA once again leads the western world in homicide rate. Now tell me are you proud of those stats and do you really believe America is a safer place than other western countries? http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html > > Based on this clear attempt to lie with statistics, one must also > wonder if firearm suicides are not also being counted as "murders" on > this bullshit list. Now wait a minute, don't acuse me of lying about the statistics just because you are ignorant about what these statistics mean. If you knew anything about these statistics and the definition of murder, you will know that suicide is not included in those statistics or the definition of murder. > > What is kind of interesting about this list however is how the > countries with total gun bans, such as the UK and Australia still have > firearm related murders. How is it possible to have gun murders in > countries that don't have guns? That sure is mysterious. Before I go on wasting any more time on you, are you interested in a serious discussion about the effect of gun laws on violent crime based on stats or are you more interested in being a parrott who repeats the same lies the gun lobby brainwashes you with or some antedotal comments made by a rape victim you met in a bar who feels safer because she keeps a gun in her crotch 24/7? Your comment about Australia having a total gun ban is a lie and a falsehood. Australia has strict gun control laws, but still a significant percent of the population owns guns. Now if you want to look at a country that has close to a ban on guns, use Japan. Now do your own research and come back to me and tell me and everyone else on this board how Japan's rate of homicide and violent crimes compare to that of the USA? Quote
Guest aususa Posted April 25, 2007 Posted April 25, 2007 On Apr 24, 8:05 am, SportsBookJunkie <JimmyD...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 4:53 pm,aususa<josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > > > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country > > > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people > > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people > > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people > > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people > > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people > > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people > > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people > > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people > > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people > > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people > > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people > > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people > > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people > > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people > > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 > > people > > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people > > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people > > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people > > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people > > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people > > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people > > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people > > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people > > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people > > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people > > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people > > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people > > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people > > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people > > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people > > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people > > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 peoplehttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murder... > > Hey, you missed the stats that show how much VIOLENT CRIME went up in > the countries that ban guns.. > > I guess that didn't suit your purpose, so you left it out.. > > Nice try, no points for runner up though.- Hide quoted text - > Nice try, no point for you. Now I had a look at the official government crime statistics for the USA and Australia:. And guess what, the USA has more than 3 times the homicide rate, and more than double the assault and burglarly rate than Australia. This is despite the USA having one of the highest incarceration rates in the world (imprisonment). By the way, Australia's homicide rate has dropped significantly since an assault weapon ban a few years ago after a crazed gunman went on a killing spree in Tasmania. So I say to all Americans if you want to live in a safer country, you need to impose stricter gun control laws or move to another country. 2003 Crimes USA Per Australia Per USA % of Description Number 100,000 Number 100,000 Australia Population 290,809,777 20,008,700 Homicides 16,582 5.7 341 1.7 335% Assault 4,606,740 1,584 158,269 791 200% Robbery 596,130 205 19,709 99 208% Rape 198,850 68 18,237 91 75% And what about rape where the USA shows a lower rate? Well considering only 12 to 20% of rape victims ever report the crime and victims in the USA would be afraid of a gun toting rapist, I would suggest you can't read too much into that figure as a reflection of the total number of rapes. And for those who don't believe me, you can obtain these official government stats on: USA crime stats: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one Aus crim stats: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/facts_and_figures_2005.pdf Quote
Guest cyrakis@yahoo.com Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 On Apr 24, 5:09 pm, aususa <josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 24, 6:04 am, "cyra...@yahoo.com" <cyra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Now tell me are you > proud of those stats and do you really believe America is a safer > place than other western countries? I don't beleive I did claim that America was safer than other Wesern countries. Now that you mention it, this greater personal danger in America seems to be a very good argument in support of personal gun ownership. It's a scary world, and like the boy scout motto says: "Be prepared" Therefore, I'm keeping my guns. > Now wait a minute, don't acuse me of lying about the statistics just > because you are ignorant about what these statistics mean. You posted a comparative list of gun violence that included societies that both allow and don't allow guns. It's a misleading comparison. It's a statistical analysis designed to support a foregone conclusion. Less guns=less gun injuries. Is this supposed to be enlightening or shocking? I am interested in these comparisons between societies, I'm just saying the terms being analyzed should be commonly held in all socieities being evaluated. Overall rates of violent crime, regardless of weapon used. Or, overall comparisons of murder rates per unit of population. > If you > knew anything about these statistics and the definition of murder, you > will know that suicide is not included in those statistics or the > definition of murder. Fair enough. That seems to be common sense to me. Unfortunately, I've seen others abuse the numbers in an effort to make their opinion seem more strongly supported. Lumping all "gun deaths" together, counting suicides by firearm, as well as crimes, as well as lawful homicides involving firearms, into one vast number is not uncommon, and it is highly misleading. > Before I go on wasting any more time on you, are you interested in a > serious discussion about the effect of gun laws on violent crime based > on stats or are you more interested in being a parrott who repeats the > same lies the gun lobby brainwashes you with or some antedotal > comments made by a rape victim you met in a bar who feels safer > because she keeps a gun in her crotch 24/7? All the discussion of group statistics is ultimately irrelevant to me. My life and lberty is not a collective function. You could show me a mountain of data, but just like that rape victim, I'd still want the opportunity of protecting myself. Quote
Guest ChrisT Posted April 27, 2007 Posted April 27, 2007 On 25 Apr 2007 15:19:05 -0700, aususa <josephblow1@gmail.com> wrote: >On Apr 24, 8:05 am, SportsBookJunkie <JimmyD...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 20, 4:53 pm,aususa<josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: The USA is a third world country idiot, our manufacturing base is completely decimated and millions of good paying jobs gone. Right now the people are just feeding on each other, sort of like "you pee I'll drink it, I'll pee you drink it" service based economy all the while the parasites are syphoning off our wealth and investing overseas. >> >> > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country Proves only that we have more criminals. >> >> > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people >> > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people >> > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people >> > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people >> > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people >> > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people >> > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people >> > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people >> > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people >> > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people >> > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people >> > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people >> > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people >> > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people >> > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 >> > people >> > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people >> > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people >> > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people >> > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people >> > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people >> > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people >> > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people >> > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people >> > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people >> > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people >> > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people >> > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people >> > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people >> > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people >> > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people >> > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people >> > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 peoplehttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murder... >> >> Hey, you missed the stats that show how much VIOLENT CRIME went up in >> the countries that ban guns.. >> >> I guess that didn't suit your purpose, so you left it out.. >> >> Nice try, no points for runner up though.- Hide quoted text - >> >Nice try, no point for you. Now I had a look at the official >government crime statistics for the USA and Australia:. > >And guess what, the USA has more than 3 times the homicide rate, and >more than double the assault and burglarly rate than Australia. This >is despite the USA having one of the highest incarceration rates in >the world (imprisonment). By the way, Australia's homicide rate has >dropped significantly since an assault weapon ban a few years ago >after a crazed gunman went on a killing spree in Tasmania. > > >So I say to all Americans if you want to live in a safer country, you >need to impose stricter gun control laws or move to another country. > > >2003 Crimes USA Per Australia Per USA % of >Description Number 100,000 Number 100,000 Australia > > >Population 290,809,777 20,008,700 > > >Homicides 16,582 5.7 341 1.7 335% >Assault 4,606,740 1,584 158,269 791 200% >Robbery 596,130 205 19,709 99 208% >Rape 198,850 68 18,237 91 75% > > >And what about rape where the USA shows a lower rate? Well >considering only 12 to 20% of rape victims ever report the crime and >victims in the USA would be afraid of a gun toting rapist, I would >suggest you can't read too much into that figure as a reflection of >the total number of rapes. > > >And for those who don't believe me, you can obtain these official >government stats on: >USA crime stats: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one >Aus crim stats: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/facts_and_figures_2005.pdf Quote
smutt butt Posted April 27, 2007 Posted April 27, 2007 On Apr 24, 8:05 am, SportsBookJunkie <JimmyD...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 4:53 pm,aususa<josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > > > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country > > > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people > > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people > > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people > > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people > > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people > > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people > > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people > > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people > > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people > > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people > > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people > > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people > > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people > > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people > > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 > > people > > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people > > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people > > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people > > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people > > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people > > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people > > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people > > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people > > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people > > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people > > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people > > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people > > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people > > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people > > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people > > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people > > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 peoplehttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murder... > > Hey, you missed the stats that show how much VIOLENT CRIME went up in > the countries that ban guns.. > > I guess that didn't suit your purpose, so you left it out.. > > Nice try, no points for runner up though.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Nice try pal, but the USA has the highest rate of violent crime in the western world. How sad it is that the American gun lobby is reduced to lies and distortions to justify their own failed policies that result in more,not less violence. The USA has more than 3 times the homicide rate, and more than double the assault and burglarly rate than Australia. This is despite the USA having one of the highest incarceration rates in the world (imprisonment). By the way, Australia's homicide rate has dropped significantly since an assault weapon ban a few years ago after a crazed gunman went on a killing spree in Tasmania. So I say to all Americans if you want to live in a safer country, you need to impose stricter gun control laws or move to another country. 2003 Crimes USA Per Australia Per USA % of Description Number 100,000 Number 100,000 Australia Population 290,809,777 20,008,700 Homicides 16,582 5.7 341 1.7 335% Assault 4,606,740 1,584 158,269 791 200% Robbery 596,130 205 19,709 99 208% Rape 198,850 68 18,237 91 75% And what about rape where the USA shows a lower rate? Well considering only 12 to 20% of rape victims ever report the crime and victims in the USA would be afraid of a gun toting rapist, I would suggest you can't read too much into that figure as a reflection of the total number of rapes. And for those who don't believe me, you can obtain these official government stats on: USA crime stats: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one Aus crim stats: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/facts_and_figures_2005.pdf HELL YEAH!!!!! Stricter gun laws will stop those criminals from breaking the laws!!! Quote "This place may be bombed and we will be killed. We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us." Osama Bin Laden. nov. 2001
smutt butt Posted April 27, 2007 Posted April 27, 2007 On Apr 24, 8:05 am, SportsBookJunkie <JimmyD...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 4:53 pm,aususa<josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > USA right up their with 3rd world countries and drug capitals: > > > Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country > > > #1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people > > #2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people > > #3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people > > #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people > > #5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people > > #6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people > > #7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people > > #8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people > > #9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people > > #10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people > > #11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people > > #12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people > > #13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people > > #14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people > > #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 > > people > > #16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people > > #17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people > > #18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people > > #19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people > > #20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people > > #21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people > > #22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people > > #23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people > > #24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people > > #25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people > > #26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people > > #27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people > > #28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people > > #29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people > > #30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people > > #31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people > > #32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 peoplehttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murder... > > Hey, you missed the stats that show how much VIOLENT CRIME went up in > the countries that ban guns.. > > I guess that didn't suit your purpose, so you left it out.. > > Nice try, no points for runner up though.- Hide quoted text - > Nice try, no point for you. Now I had a look at the official government crime statistics for the USA and Australia:. And guess what, the USA has more than 3 times the homicide rate, and more than double the assault and burglarly rate than Australia. This is despite the USA having one of the highest incarceration rates in the world (imprisonment). By the way, Australia's homicide rate has dropped significantly since an assault weapon ban a few years ago after a crazed gunman went on a killing spree in Tasmania. So I say to all Americans if you want to live in a safer country, you need to impose stricter gun control laws or move to another country. 2003 Crimes USA Per Australia Per USA % of Description Number 100,000 Number 100,000 Australia Population 290,809,777 20,008,700 Homicides 16,582 5.7 341 1.7 335% Assault 4,606,740 1,584 158,269 791 200% Robbery 596,130 205 19,709 99 208% Rape 198,850 68 18,237 91 75% And what about rape where the USA shows a lower rate? Well considering only 12 to 20% of rape victims ever report the crime and victims in the USA would be afraid of a gun toting rapist, I would suggest you can't read too much into that figure as a reflection of the total number of rapes. And for those who don't believe me, you can obtain these official government stats on: USA crime stats: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one Aus crim stats: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2005/facts_and_figures_2005.pdf Why do you dumbasses think that criminals will stop using guns if guns are outlawed???? I have 3 shotguns, 4 rifles, 6 pistols and a bb gun. Would taking away my weapons that i use for target practice make you safer?? Quote "This place may be bombed and we will be killed. We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us." Osama Bin Laden. nov. 2001
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