If I could summarize all my thinking about Islam

[Her_Royal_HineASS]

One more thing... In the United States court system the burden of proof is left to the hands of the prosecution. (As was aforementioned in this post by another member) How can the "prosecution" in this argument continue to prosecute when it has closed its' ears to truth and instead relied on the "Hype" and proaganda to proove its' point? With attitudes of - and this is not a DIRECT quote "I don't need to know anymore about Islam" how can you possibly commit to the burden of proof?

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Why redeem myself to you? Do I owe you some sort if alleigence? No, I don't think so. I refuse to bow down before the Mods. It isn't my style. I'll wear my "Piss Yellow" name as if it were a badge of honor. Viva La Resistance.

Being an idiot is no way to resist! Try putting some meaning an logic into your scattered posts. That will not only provide a better resistance, it will probably get you a reprieve from the idiot box as well.

[Her_Royal_HineASS]

Being an idiot is no way to resist! Try putting some meaning an logic into your scattered posts. That will not only provide a better resistance, it will probably get you a reprieve from the idiot box as well.

 

If meaning and logic means agreeing with everything the majority has to say... No. This another problem with the "American Mind Set" If it goes against the grain it must be bad. I don't share the opinions of most people, and I like it that way. If you or anyonje else thinks that makes em an "Idiot" that's just too damn bad. I'm not going to change my opinions or views just because you think I should, or just because some Mod colored in my name, And drew a box around my practically nonexistent reputation.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

My problem with the way that American's - not all but enough to cause a stink, deal with Islam is that they really make it seem as though we have something to proove.

Everyone, everything, every group, every country, etc. have something to prove. Prove it already and go on!

 

Yes, what was done and is being done by terrorist groups is a horible thing... But

I am really sick of the appologists, I'm sick of the but attached to every single logical observation made about that pig-shit religion. The religion itself calls for the murder of appostates. It teaches hate, death and destruction. So... but noithing! It's high time the pig-shit religion was irradicated already.

 

lets not be two faced about it.

Two faced? Like the one face of islam in constant jihad against the west and anything else non-islamic, and thge other face telling us it's really peaceful?

 

The United States has been war mongering for a long time before the 9-11 attacks or any of the attrocities commited.

Blanket statements are superfulous. Back up your rhetoric with some facts, even oppinions must be based on some kind of fact.

 

and If you need examples, just look at our history. A bloody past that is full of prejudice, pretentiousnous, lies, theft, and welll... War Mongering.

So we should just lay down and die? What kind of nincompoop are you?

 

Druing World War Two Japan bombed Pearl Harbour right? A military base. What was the reaction of the U.S.? We bombed thier civilians.

Bombing civilians was nessessary in WWII. They (the civilians) were very much part of the war machine in Japan, the US, England, Germany, Italy and Russia. The allies bombed the living shit out of all the industrial complexes it possibly could, killing many, many civilians. This is military science 101, "Destroying the enemy's ability to make war." That is about the stupidest example I have ever seen.

 

Now, while I am sure as glad as everyone else that ti ended the war...

somehow, I doubt this statement. You seem to be one of those retarded liberals that believe the US should have saccrificed 1 million plus US servicemen invading the Japanease mainland rather than killl 160,000 japanease civilians with atomic bombs (even though at the time, they were enemy combatants... face it, as long as you are building the war machine, you are a combatant!)

 

Lets look at it rationally.

I also doubt you can look at anything rationally...

 

How much power do We as Americans have over the military decisions of our government?

None! and thank God for it, by the time a crucial decision got out of committe (especially with a bleeding heart idiot like you on it) the war would be lost ages ago.

 

How much power did the Japanese public have?

War is hell, but I'm not going to lay down my life or liberty because I'm worried about an enemy combatant! Hell for that matter, The japanease soldiers had zero say in the military decisions of Japan... Should we have just thrown down our arms because of it? Grow up!

 

So we have been invading the Middle East for decades,

Horeshit! We have never "invaded" any part of the middle east prior to 2002. We have never "invaded" unprovoked.

 

ripping it apart,

WTF??? You're going loony!

 

placing new people in power and then deciding we don't want the one put in power there anymore, so we rip it down and staert over.

 

The US does not (it is physically impossible) to just set up any one in power they want to, If they did they wouldn't put a guy named "Mohammed", "Moamar", or "Sadaam" in power.. They'd put guys named "Bill", "Paul" or "John".

 

What they do is manipulate already established political factions. The one deemed more peaceful and pro-west is the guy who gets the support. So when guy A is a blood-thirsty canibal who hates the US and has sworn an oath to produce a dirty bomb and detonate it in times square somehow, and guy B is a blood thirsty canibal who really doesn't give a shit about the west.. The US will train, fund and help guy B.

 

Years later, vermin like you will point their fingers at the US and say "The US put a blood-thirsty canibal in power in country X" When Guy B starts spouting the same anti west slogans and guy C comes along later who is pro west and despises human flesh... guy C starts getting support.

 

Don't be so naive!

 

How long did you think they were going to put up with it before they fought back?

Put up with what? All of the "military invasions", if we were invading, the time to fight would be then, not years later in the form of terrorism

 

Don't you all think that they had a right to pissed?

Absolutely NOT! Pissed about what? Sadaam wasn't alowed to keep Kuwait? pissed because Israel didn't let Egypt wipe them out?

 

Sure, they could have handled it peacefully, but would we have listened? I doubt it. It takes a really LOUD bomb-explosion-catastrophe to get our attention.

Here you go excusing their actions with your "but". ... they should have just kept on fucking their camels.

 

As far as the religious angle, lets look at it this way. Christianity was responsible for the Spanish Inquisition. How many innocents died in the name of that fiasco? And did Christianity DIE. No, it thrived. Despite the fact that it was "Cleansing" the world of Jews, Muslims, and any other religion it deemed "AntiChristian" which was well... Pretty much every religion. So where is the difference between what Christianity did, and what the Muslim Extremeists are doing? And yet, we don't blame the Christians solely because it was a Political Move on part of the Spanish regime. Do we say that ALL Christians were to blame then? No, because they weren't. And yet, how many of them stood up to defend what they thought was right? Not very many I assure you. They didn't want to be hanged or left to die in a prison.

Apples and Oranges, If the Spanish inquisition was going on today, I'd listen to this argument.. It is NOT...

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

If meaning and logic means agreeing with everything the majority has to say... No. This another problem with the "American Mind Set" If it goes against the grain it must be bad. I don't share the opinions of most people, and I like it that way. If you or anyonje else thinks that makes em an "Idiot" that's just too damn bad. I'm not going to change my opinions or views just because you think I should, or just because some Mod colored in my name, And drew a box around my practically nonexistent reputation.

 

I didn't say "agree" you idiot, I said "logic".... consider this post:

 

One more thing... In the United States court system the burden of proof is left to the hands of the prosecution. (As was aforementioned in this post by another member) How can the "prosecution" in this argument continue to prosecute when it has closed its' ears to truth and instead relied on the "Hype" and proaganda to proove its' point? With attitudes of - and this is not a DIRECT quote "I don't need to know anymore about Islam" how can you possibly commit to the burden of proof?

 

1) Who is this directed towards?

2) Why is learning every facet of islam important to an informed decision? You can drive a car without understanding the workings of an internal combustion engine. You can know islam is a hate riddled socio-ideological philosophy without memorizing every pig-shit verse.

3) What "Hype" and "Propoganda"? the "truth" is ignored? These are blanket statements that have no meaning. Why type it at all? It is just page filler with no substance and no point.

4) What do the US courts have to do with anything?

5) Forget the grammar and spelling. This post is pointless, incohesive, subjective, and it doesn't read well either.

 

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All I'm saying is think before you type. Construct a point and stick to it... just like your 10th grade English teacher made you do. Back up you oppinions with facts and you'll be good to go!

[Her_Royal_HineASS]

Wow, and this wealth of debate knowledge comes from a person named "Mohamed Rots In Hell", who has proven that he can pick pieces out of a reply (That he doesn't even know was being directed at) and make it say virtually anything he wants it to mean. Congratulations on learning internet usage riddled with political strategy 101. You have arrived...

[Her_Royal_HineASS]

I didn't say "agree" you idiot, I said "logic".... consider this post:

 

 

 

1) Who is this directed towards?

2) Why is learning every facet of islam important to an informed decision? You can drive a car without understanding the workings of an internal combustion engine. You can know islam is a hate riddled socio-ideological philosophy without memorizing every pig-shit verse.

3) What "Hype" and "Propoganda"? the "truth" is ignored? These are blanket statements that have no meaning. Why type it at all? It is just page filler with no substance and no point.

4) What do the US courts have to do with anything?

5) Forget the grammar and spelling. This post is pointless, incohesive, subjective, and it doesn't read well either.

 

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All I'm saying is think before you type. Construct a point and stick to it... just like your 10th grade English teacher made you do. Back up you oppinions with facts and you'll be good to go!

 

1. Not even gonna go there, I thought everyone was in on the discussion.

2. At the very least, you should be able to put Gasoline (Lets not EVEN get on the price subject of that one) in your vehicle. Maybe then it will get somewhere, instead of standing still.

3.Hype and propaganda, if you think it is a space filler and has no meaning, use a dictionary.

4. Read through the replies to the comment pertaining to the burden of proof.

5. I never said I was the worlds best typist. I do what I can after just having got home from my third job at the ass crack of dawn. Now I am late for job number three... damn it.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Wow, and this wealth of debate knowledge comes from a person named "Mohamed Rots In Hell", who has proven that he can pick pieces out of a reply (That he doesn't even know was being directed at) and make it say virtually anything he wants it to mean. Congratulations on learning internet usage riddled with political strategy 101. You have arrived...

You are truelly an idiot. This post alone proves that!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

1. Not even gonna go there, I thought everyone was in on the discussion.

so your stupidity is directed at everyone, no wonder R.O. idiot boxed you... you deserved it! have a nice stay!

 

2. At the very least, you should be able to put Gasoline (Lets not EVEN get on the price subject of that one) in your vehicle. Maybe then it will get somewhere, instead of standing still.

True enough and according to your original pretext. Gasoline is the knowledge that islam is evil, and the workings of the internal combustion engine is all of the rest of that pig-shit religion that we don't care to know.

 

3.Hype and propaganda, if you think it is a space filler and has no meaning, use a dictionary.

OK you self-exorbed retard, what is the hype and propoganda. Don't get cute and define hype or propganda... tell us what you erroneously believe to be hype and propoganda that "we all" beleive in and are buying into. and then tell us what is really the truth. This is why your blanket statements have no meaning.

 

For example I could simply state that you are an idiot. -OR- I could back up my statement that you are an idiot by siting the examples that you intentionally pissed off a mod. That you have yet to back up any of your blanket statements with fact, and that you simply can't follow a coherent line of thinking.

 

of course the fact that you have "I am an idiot" under your name is another one.

 

4. Read through the replies to the comment pertaining to the burden of proof.

How did you get so stupid, really? This is an open forum, not a court of law. We draw our conclusions based on fact and observation, not by judges, juries and codes of legal ethics... islam is guilty. Prove it innocent if you like or keep typing your nonsensical, factless and baseless dribble. I was trying to help you at first, but I can see that you already think you know everything, so continue to live in ignorant bliss for all I care... when you find yourself or a loved one a victim of an islamic terrorist attack, perhaps you will understand.

 

5. I never said I was the worlds best typist. I do what I can after just having got home from my third job at the ass crack of dawn. Now I am late for job number three... damn it.

I pity thee not, it is thy decision.

[eisanbt]

The US does not (it is physically impossible) to just set up any one in power they want to, If they did they wouldn't put a guy named "Mohammed", "Moamar", or "Sadaam" in power.. They'd put guys named "Bill", "Paul" or "John".

 

Manuel Antonio Noriega, CIA operative, Military Dictator.

 

What they do is manipulate already established political factions. The one deemed more peaceful and pro-west is the guy who gets the support. So when guy A is a blood-thirsty canibal who hates the US and has sworn an oath to produce a dirty bomb and detonate it in times square somehow, and guy B is a blood thirsty canibal who really doesn't give a shit about the west.. The US will train, fund and help guy B.

 

Years later, vermin like you will point their fingers at the US and say "The US put a blood-thirsty canibal in power in country X" When Guy B starts spouting the same anti west slogans and guy C comes along later who is pro west and despises human flesh... guy C starts getting support.

 

Well here is a little history lesson my bullheaded fellow.

 

In 1954, a CIA-orchestrated coup ended what Guatemalans were calling the "Ten Years of Spring," which began with the bloodless overthrow of military dictator Jorge Ubico in 1944. During this period, two democratically-elected civilian presidents governed Guatemala, trying to provide opportunities and raise the standard of living. The United Fruit Company (now Chiquita) protested when unused portions of its vast holdings were taken by the new government and distributed to peasants whom had no land. The Guatemalan government paid the US company the tax-declared value of the land, but United fruit protested to the highest levels of the US government. Two untied fruit stockholders at the time were the Dulles brothers, Secretary of State and head of the CIA in the Eisenhower administration.

 

Following the coup, Colonel Castillo Armas became the new president. the U. S. Ambassador furnished Armas with lists of radical opponents to be eliminated, and the bloodletting promptly began. Under Armas, thousands were arrested and many were tortured and killed.The coup unleashed one of the most brutal military regimes in the hemisphere. Some 140,000 people have been killed and another 45,000 disappeared in a U.S. backed scorched earth campaign to wipe out dissidents, rebels and activists for peace and social justice in Guatemala. Does this sound like a "We're helping" attidtude to you?

 

MIRH if you think the US has been nothing but the happy hand of Jesus then you'd best clean the shit out of you eyes and start researching the shit poor acts commited by your government and those like it.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Manuel Antonio Noriega, CIA operative, Military Dictator.

 

 

 

Well here is a little history lesson my bullheaded fellow.

 

In 1954, a CIA-orchestrated coup ended what Guatemalans were calling the "Ten Years of Spring," which began with the bloodless overthrow of military dictator Jorge Ubico in 1944. During this period, two democratically-elected civilian presidents governed Guatemala, trying to provide opportunities and raise the standard of living. The United Fruit Company (now Chiquita) protested when unused portions of its vast holdings were taken by the new government and distributed to peasants whom had no land. The Guatemalan government paid the US company the tax-declared value of the land, but United fruit protested to the highest levels of the US government. Two untied fruit stockholders at the time were the Dulles brothers, Secretary of State and head of the CIA in the Eisenhower administration.

 

Following the coup, Colonel Castillo Armas became the new president. the U. S. Ambassador furnished Armas with lists of radical opponents to be eliminated, and the bloodletting promptly began. Under Armas, thousands were arrested and many were tortured and killed.The coup unleashed one of the most brutal military regimes in the hemisphere. Some 140,000 people have been killed and another 45,000 disappeared in a U.S. backed scorched earth campaign to wipe out dissidents, rebels and activists for peace and social justice in Guatemala. Does this sound like a "We're helping" attidtude to you?

 

MIRH if you think the US has been nothing but the happy hand of Jesus then you'd best clean the shit out of you eyes and start researching the shit poor acts commited by your government and those like it.

 

Ha Ha, You are a COMPLETE RETARD... here are the facts:

 

1949 - Jacobo Arbenz Guzman killed his rival Gen. Francisco Javier Arana and sought to become the successor of President Juan Jose Arevalo who could not succeed himself in office according to the constitution of Guatemala.

 

1950 - election of Jacobo Arbenz Guzman as President, began land reform and nationalized the 500,000 acres owned by the United Fruit Company of Boston. John Foster Dulles a UF lawyer would become Secretary of State in

 

1953, and his brother Allen Dulles would become director of the CIA.

 

1952 - Truman approved CIA Op. PBFORTUNE effort to overthrow Arbenz.

 

1953 - Arbenz accepted support of communists in Guatemala, supported labor strikes in Honduras, received 2000 tons Czech arms shipment on the Swedish freighter the Alfhem.

 

1953 - Eisenhower in August authorized CIA Op. PBSUCCESS to overthrow Arbenz, just two months after he authorized the CIA overthrow of Mossadeg in Iran. At least 68 Guatemalan supporters of Arbenz would be assassinated in 1954 by the CIA.

 

1954 - In March Guatemala was the only nation voting against the anti-communist resolution introduced by Dulles at the Tenth Inter-American Conference in Caracas (passed 17-1).

 

1954 - On June 16 Col. Carlos Enrique Castill Armas invaded from Honduras and in 2 weeks ousted Arbenz who fled to Czech. June 27.

 

1954 - By the end of the year, Armas was assassinated. A reign of terror by the Guatemalan military began, 9000 supporters of Arbenz were imprisoned, and many others fled the country, including a young Argentine doctor, Ernesto "Che" Guevara, who went to Mexico and there met Fidel Castro.

[Her_Royal_HineASS]

MRIH it takes a real moron to think it makes him look any better, beginning and ending every reply to his "opponents" with a crude or playground level name. Grow up.

[phreakwars]

So instead of fucking bitching about his linguistic style, fucking prove he is wrong, who gives a rats ass what his comeback is, fucking stay on track and quit bitching.

 

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[Lethalfind]

So instead of fucking bitching about his linguistic style, fucking prove he is wrong, who gives a rats ass what his comeback is, fucking stay on track and quit bitching.

 

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Phreak this is what we have come to expect from her ass...thus the yellow name...

[eisanbt]

1951-1954: Jacobo Guzman Arbenz served as president of Guatemala. Arbenz became president with the support of army and leftists, including the Communist Party. Jacobo Arbenz Guzman, aroused rightist opposition by allowing Communists in positions of power among peasants, labor unions, even the government itself. His radical policies-especially regarding expropriation of portions of the United Fruit Company holdings-led to a U.S. backed coup in 1954 and his fleeing to Mexico.

 

June 27th 1954: CIA-sponsored rebels overthrew the elected government of Guatemala. A US supported force of Guatemalan mercenaries invaded from Honduras. Pres. Arbenz was toppled and replaced by 30 years of military rule. He spent much of his exile in Cuba. Arbenz died in 1971 in Mexico City. It was disclosed in 1997 to have been motivated by US economic interests with 58 Guatemalan politicians put on a list of potential targets for political killing.

 

 

Head out of the sand MRIH, your OWN govenment admits to this bullshit. And its certainly not an isolated incident. Shall we delve into Nigeria, Cambodia or maybe stick to South America and go on about Chilie? Would Iraq be more to your likings? Past Iraqi operations or present day? Let me know when you've decided upon one.

 

 

And a little source for your likings.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

[Jhony5]

Hazma, maybe you could enlighten me as to what the fuck any of this half-century old news has to do with todays current issues?

[eisanbt]

We're talking about how bullshit is used by, in this case the US gov, to execute acts of horror for the finicial gain of those in power. Shit like this has been happening more then once since then as well. If you believe that a governments 'use' to the power hungry idiots has changed in the past say 15 years or so since the last disclosed debochery then you'd best smarten up. These abuses of government will not change so long as there is greed and apathy ingrained in humanity. The blatent one here is oil reserves depleting and US power decreasing. Luckly the public DOES have a basic concise and wouldn't let THEIR government get away with this shit so people are decieved, misinformed and yes assassinated for the good of whomever wishes to use the state's resources to attain their wants.

[Hamza123]

Hazma, maybe you could enlighten me as to what the fuck any of this half-century old news has to do with todays current issues?

 

Kenny, Eisan just answered it for ya... This thread turned haywire (argument)... Why do you think it's in "Speak your mind"??

 

Eisan does have a point, so I wouldn't worry about aruging with MRIH anymore...

 

You know, he just was always "right" against AIG, Me, Builder, Eisan, and know HRHA....

 

MRIH man, I really hate to be blunt with you like this, and I didn't want to be an asshole. But the hate just spews out of you like a fountain.

 

You were a soldier in the first Gulf War or some Iraq war, Correct? I understand what happend to you there, and I understand that now you hate Islam, Middle East etc... I hate to say that but to my knowledge, you seem like you are suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). This is very common in war veterans, and it is quite treatable. I seriously recommend to you this website, http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/. It's not the end of the world. You just have this Traumatic Stress, and it causes hate within you.

 

The National Center for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) was created within the Department of Veterans Affairs in 1989, in response to a Congressional mandate to address the needs of veterans with military-related PTSD. Its mission was, and remains: To advance the clinical care and social welfare of America's veterans through research, education, and training in the science, diagnosis, and treatment of PTSD and stress-related disorders. This website is provided as an educational resource concerning PTSD and other enduring consequences of traumatic stress, for a variety of audiences.

[Jhony5]

We're talking about how bullshit is used by, in this case the US gov, to execute acts of horror for the finicial gain of those in power. Shit like this has been happening more then once since then as well. If you believe that a governments 'use' to the power hungry idiots has changed in the past say 15 years or so since the last disclosed debochery then you'd best smarten up. These abuses of government will not change so long as there is greed and apathy ingrained in humanity. The blatent one here is oil reserves depleting and US power decreasing. Luckly the public DOES have a basic concise and wouldn't let THEIR government get away with this shit so people are decieved, misinformed and yes assassinated for the good of whomever wishes to use the state's resources to attain their wants.

 

 

You do understand though that this is the way that the world works, like it or not. The US is not the only powerful nation that has a history of under the table dealings in order to align favorable power structures in foreign nations. Often its for the better, sometimes its not. At this point in history, with the technologies available, it would be an unwise idea to just sit back and let third world nations run their own course unchecked.

 

MRIH will serve his brand of commentary chunky style, even if you prefere it smooth. Your wasting your time trying to call him out for his agressive style of retort. Address his points and ignore his slander, for it will only earn you more of the same.

[eisanbt]

Address his points, you mean like I did by provideing facts for my opinion, links and just telling the truth. I did do that, didn't say he was being too 'chunky' or anything of the sort.

 

And I am well aware the its not just the US. And seldom (if ever) is it for the good of the many.