Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join us because your side sucks. Quote
Guest Gandalf Grey Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 Vitor wrote: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. > > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans > are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to > further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will > call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. Your side DOES suck. The question is, which side sucks less? That varies throughout time and space. Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say both sides suck about equally. But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the Democrats elected to Congress are delivering that change. So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people finds some small measure of expression. Quote
Guest XTS Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message news:46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government LMAO, boy are you ever a sucker! Thats the best laugh I had today, thanks man. You're aces. Do you take that comedy act on the road, or are you just pitching it here for effect? Quote
Guest z Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in news:46301a8f$0$17196 $4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > left for a while. Join the Libertarian party. The only true small government party out there. Republicans had a majority in both houses and in the President and they blew it -- they spent money like fiends and Bush didn't veto one spending bill. Don't reward failure. Quote
Guest kT Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 Gandalf Grey wrote: > Vitor wrote: >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with >> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back >> the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget >> never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed >> I will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse >> the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where >> people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of >> themselves. >> >> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans >> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid >> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to >> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the >> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I >> will call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. >> Such insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept >> arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals >> are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing >> Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many >> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. >> >> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is >> join us because your side sucks. > > Your side DOES suck. > > The question is, which side sucks less? > > That varies throughout time and space. > > Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say both > sides suck about equally. > > But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the Democrats > elected to Congress are delivering that change. > > So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people finds > some small measure of expression. Can you quantify that for us, in SI units of suckiness, please? Just a back of the envelope order of magnitude of suckiness calculation even? -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html Quote
Guest Gandalf Grey Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 kT wrote: > Gandalf Grey wrote: >> Vitor wrote: >>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with >>> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back >>> the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget >>> never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed >>> I will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse >>> the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where >>> people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of >>> themselves. >>> >>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans >>> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid >>> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to >>> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the >>> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I >>> will call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. >>> Such insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept >>> arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals >>> are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing >>> Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many >>> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. >>> >>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is >>> join us because your side sucks. >> Your side DOES suck. >> >> The question is, which side sucks less? >> >> That varies throughout time and space. >> >> Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say both >> sides suck about equally. >> >> But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the Democrats >> elected to Congress are delivering that change. >> >> So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people finds >> some small measure of expression. > > Can you quantify that for us, in SI units of suckiness, please? > > Just a back of the envelope order of magnitude of suckiness calculation > even? Sorry Suckiness is highly subjective, as you must well know, and cannot be correlated with any known metric that would yield a reliable comparison of different perceptions of this quality. In other words, Suckiness is in the eye of the beholder. Quote
Guest Peter Principle Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 z wrote: > Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in news:46301a8f$0$17196 > $4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with >> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back >> the left for a while. > > > > Join the Libertarian party. Yeah, and bring some ice, fer chrissakes... -- Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right. ------ Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough? http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf Quote
Guest Miles Long Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 Vitor wrote: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. > > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans > are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to > further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will > call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad. You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful blindness. Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or full of shit. Respectfully yours, Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long Quote
Guest David R KE Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message your missing the basics, take a look at who benefits from the policies of each party and who suffers the republicans point at the DJIA and increased tax revenues, corporate profits went from about 400 to 900 billion that's good for who ? will they split their take with their shareholders will they raise the wages and benefits of their employees their executives that's bad for ?? higher profits result from higher prices and lower costs did the 12 to 25 million lower paid illegal immigrants help to lower their costs did outsourcing American jobs to china and other 3rd world countries are they a financial institution who now charge credit card interest at levels as high as 32% are they an oil company who benefited from the $3.50 gasoline price gouging, which is starting again since the elections are far enough in the past to make it look innocent are they a drug company who lets Americans pay for research and development costs that other countries won't allow them to charge for and then lobby for laws to prevent you from buying from those countries are they a defense company, benefiting from the needless deaths of other Americans in a war to which they would never send their children and grandchildren to die similarly ; the republicans are approaching $1 trillion spent in Iraq, but won't give $9 billion to New Orleans, why is that the ads for the military services including the reserves and national guard are specifically aimed at minorities and poor kids, where are the patriotic affluent republican youth, where are the ads aimed at the preppy college students with the new cars does anyone who can only afford to shop at Wal Mart ever wonder why a caller to Limbaugh said today, essentially , that people who are not wealthy don't work hard enough and aren't educated enough, Rush agreed, so does that mean the American soldiers in Iraq are lazy dummies ? they're using you gomers, and you're not smart enough to realize it, they throw you a few treats every now and then, the gay marriage thing is a good example, distract you while they pick your pocket Quote
Guest Roger Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 You are confused. Very confused. "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message news:46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with the >results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the left >for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never goes down >or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will not join the >party of open government expansion. What is worse the Right is much more >persuasive. They envision a country where people don't depend on the >government and are free to take care of themselves. > > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans are > evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid of the > leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to further our > vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the burden of > government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will call you > names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such insults are > not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept arguments of > Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are saying. All > they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing Republicans do. Most > of what I hear I badly out of context and many fact are omitted because it > doesn't support their argument. > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. Quote
Guest P.Henery Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:20:52 -0500, Vitor wrote: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited governmen This administration has increased the size and teh intrusiveness of government more then any other in our history. t> and > confronting the enemies of our country. You mean like Iraq? A country that did nothing to us and presented no threat? Republicans let Bin Laden escape and then to cover their mistakes launched an unwinnable war against the people of Iraq. We are always safer when Democrats control the congress and the oval office. > I am often disappointed with > the results. We seem to never win. That's because there is no such thing as an honest republican. > The best we can do is hold back the > left for a while. Hold back the left? Why? The left is morally, ethically and intellectually superior to the right. > We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > not join the party of open government expansion. You prefer the party of hidden government expansion? You prefer borrow and spend? > What is worse the > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. No they don't. They envision a country with two classes the ruling elite and the working poor. There is nothing more evil then the 'conservative' dream of what America should be. > > The left won't compete on ideas Complete nonsense. This statement tells us that you either have your head up your ass or you get all of your news from Faux. >they just go on and on how Republicans > are evil and have bad intentions. That is part of the discussion. Republicans are evil and hateful and bigoted and they do want to hurt America. > If that is the case we will get rid > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to > further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > burden of government. It always comes down to greed and selfishness with you pukes, doesn't it? Gin > I often see the argument agree with me or I will > call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Being a republican is symptom of being stupid or greedy take your pick, biut you're one or the other. > Such > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > arguments of Liberals. No one cares what you think. You're already too far gone. Your entire statement is based on fantasy. > I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. and republicans never do this right? You're a hypocrite on top of everything else. > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. This because you refuse to see. That's typical of the right. You make up your mind and then you find, create or distort 'facts' to support your twisted world view. Quote
Guest What Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 """I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join us because your side sucks.""" Then fight from within your party for change. Take the party back to it's traditional roots like the Republican party of Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan too before he was tainted by the "God" folks of the TV evangelists. I was raised a Republican. Was instilled with those values and voted that way until the party was hijacked in the eighties by the "moral" , I call them immoral majority headed by Falwell, Robertson, and a handful of war mongering sons a bitches that have no moral other than to make a buck and sell lies to the American taxpayer. Bush and his fucking military industrial complex leaders would all be in jail or executed by hanging if the same standards were applied now that the Nuremburg trials imposed. Waging unprovoked total war is a good charge to start with. Change your party from within and have the balls to contact and demand from your representatives and Senators that they return to the system of separation of powers from the Executive, legitlative, and Judicial branches of gov't that the natins foundation was built upon. Thius little son of a bitch that is president now would have all three branches of gov't under his control and no room for dissent. Either Constitutional change or it's complete dissolvement to allow unending war on "terror" that he said would last a couple of decades or longer. In effect, permanent war with whomever the little bastard says "If you are not with us, you are against us." fight from within and restore your party to it's greatness. If given it's return to it's roots, I would possibly even join you. Quote
Guest me Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 On Apr 25, 11:20 pm, Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > confronting the enemies of our country. And have you found that this is the actual result of republican rule? Really, as a former republican myself, one has to ask whether the party generally delivers upon these "ideals". Looking at the current administration, you've got a larger government, a more intrusive one, and you have two large "social" programs (NCLB and Medicaid drug benefit). > I am often disappointed with the results. We seem to never win. Actually, the GOP never seems to "execute". They had a virtual lock on power for at least 6 years and what did the deliver? Lower income taxes. > The best we can do is hold back the left for a while. Apparently the "best" they could do was the K Street project. Come on, "bridges to nowhere" wasn't a "lefty" project. > We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. That sounds good, but the more honest assessment is that what the right actually achieves is the privitization of risk combined with the publicization of reward. > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans > are evil and have bad intentions. Look at the last 20 years and see which party produced results closer to your ideals? "Reagan's" tax cut was a Rostenkowski product. The "golden asterisk" on the other hand was a GOP invention. Gore, under Clinton, actually reduced the size of the federal government payroll. Reagan, Bush I and II all increased the size. The lowest deficits since the '60s have all been under democrats. > If that is the case we will get rid > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to > further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will > call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > arguments of Liberals. Check out the rights common criticisms of "liberals". They turned the word "liberal" into a perjorative. You think they accomplished that through honest debate? > I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > Republicans do. The GOP has been in charge for the better part of the last 12 years. When you're in charge, you get criticized. When you're not, you do the criticizing. Check out what the GOP minority in congress now does. They complain constantly about how the Dems are running things. > Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. Walk to the other side of the aisle and you'll hear the same thing. > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. One tends to find what they are looking for. Quote
Guest Bob Eld Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 "Miles Long" <Miles@home.net> wrote in message news:9e189$4630286f$4069ee8e$27229@msgid.meganewsservers.com... > Vitor wrote: > > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > > left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > > not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the > > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. > > > > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans > > are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid > > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to > > further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > > burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will > > call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such > > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > > arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > > Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. > > > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > > us because your side sucks. > > > Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and > seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad. > You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever > helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful > blindness. > > Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a > minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal > budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the > present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year > as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of > clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the > assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or > full of shit. > > Respectfully yours, > > Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long Well said.... And, while you're at it, do a little homework on the state of the US economy, its growth, GNP and value of the Stock Market for the years 1900 to the present. Be prepared for a shock regarding the idea that somehow Republicans are better for business and the economy. The facts say something quite different. Quote
Guest z Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 On Apr 25, 11:20 pm, Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. > > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans > are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to > further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will > call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. Sorry, your "Republican Party" has been MIA since the 1980s, at least. In the finest corporate tradition, the copyrights and trademark have been purchased and applied to an inferior set of products in a cynical marketing ploy. Do you think the Republican party of Eisenhower would be fighting for their right to torture prisoners? Quote
Guest eelder1@gmail.com Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 On Apr 25, 11:59 pm, z <z...@yada.yada.com> wrote: > Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote in news:46301a8f$0$17196 > $4c368...@roadrunner.com: > > > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > > left for a while. > > Join the Libertarian party. The only true small government party out > there. Republicans had a majority in both houses and in the President and > they blew it -- they spent money like fiends and Bush didn't veto one > spending bill. > > Don't reward failure. Libertarian? Do you know anyone who was elected from that party? I don't. Quote
Guest eelder1@gmail.com Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 On Apr 25, 11:20 pm, Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote: > I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and > confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with > the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the > left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never > goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will > not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the > Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people > don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves. > > The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans > are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid > of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to b> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the > burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will b> call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such > insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept > arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are > saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing > Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many > fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. > > In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join > us because your side sucks. The last successful GOP Present was Dwight Eisenhower. Every once since has had problems with corruption and has left huge deficits. The Democrats are a more inclusive and rational political party. The GOP thumbs its nose at international treaties and the UN and has recreated the "ugly American." Bush's bullheadedness and refusal to listen to allies led us into the Iraq War. It will be a long time before the public trusts the leadership of the GOP again. If you think the GOP is the party of small government, think again. Bush created the Department of Homeland Security, the largest organization is government. He also brought all US airport security opeartions under government control. The GOP is for less domestic government. When it comes to the Armed Forces and other quasi-milatary oganizations, it is a builder. Quote
Guest lorad474@cs.com Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore. (besides destruction of national sovereignty) Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good excuse for a life... let alone a political party. Quote
Guest Docky Wocky Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 lorad sez: "Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good excuse for a life... let alone a political party..." __________________________________ Surely you are not only referring to one political party? Quote
Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 Gandalf Grey wrote: > Vitor wrote: >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with >> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back >> the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget >> never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed >> I will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse >> the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where >> people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of >> themselves. >> >> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans >> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid >> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to >> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the >> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I >> will call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. >> Such insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept >> arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals >> are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing >> Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many >> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument. >> >> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is >> join us because your side sucks. > > Your side DOES suck. This is why I am not persuaded and tend not to pay attention or take seriously much of what your side puts out. It is all insulting and that kind of aggression give me the impression that there is not confidence in those beliefs. > > The question is, which side sucks less? Skepticism of politics is good. As long as you see both sides as imperfect it is a good start. You have to then ask which policies would I prefer. I prefer less government taxes and regulation that stifles freedom. > > That varies throughout time and space. > > Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say both > sides suck about equally. I can accept that. I am tolerant and I do like debate and I can understand that neither side is very inspiring. You have to sort out what you believe have discussions and see what group best reflects what you want. I often agree with libertarians, it is disappointing that they are not a strong enough party and I disagree with them on national defense. > > But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the Democrats > elected to Congress are delivering that change. It is frustrating that there are only two viable choices. I voted for a bunch of Libertarians and I lost in a landslide. I still voted for Republicans in national office. I can understand how the Republicans lost they have almost no leadership and we in the party are tired of supporting people who don't fight for what we want. We are also through when Democrats are seen as more fiscally responsible. That and some good tactics gave the Democrats a slim majority. > > So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people finds > some small measure of expression. > I always say get involved. Express your point of view and put party second. I like John Lennon, I don't believe in Beatles, I believe in me. This is a free country and our happiness should not be governed by current politics. Quote
Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 XTS wrote: > "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message > news:46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government > > LMAO, boy are you ever a sucker! > Thats the best laugh I had today, thanks man. > > You're aces. > Do you take that comedy act on the road, or are you just pitching it here > for effect? > > I often don't find your side as very credible because it is often very insulting and defensive with no ability to debate. I know a great deal is said but this verbal intimidation and condensation makes me much less likely to believe the fact you present. Believe or else we will call you names. Quote
Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 z wrote: > Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in news:46301a8f$0$17196 > $4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with >> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the >> left for a while. > > > > Join the Libertarian party. The only true small government party out > there. Republicans had a majority in both houses and in the President and > they blew it -- they spent money like fiends and Bush didn't veto one > spending bill. > > Don't reward failure. I often vote for them for state and local offices and it would be good if they would win here and there as a viable alternative to the Democrats. Quote
Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 eelder1@gmail.com wrote: > On Apr 25, 11:59 pm, z <z...@yada.yada.com> wrote: >> Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote in news:46301a8f$0$17196 >> $4c368...@roadrunner.com: >> >>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and >>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with >>> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the >>> left for a while. >> Join the Libertarian party. The only true small government party out >> there. Republicans had a majority in both houses and in the President and >> they blew it -- they spent money like fiends and Bush didn't veto one >> spending bill. >> >> Don't reward failure. > > > Libertarian? Do you know anyone who was elected from that party? I > don't. > So do you agree with what they propose? They will win if people vote for them. Many times I vote for Republicans to block Democrats and at times I really agree with what the party wants to do. At lower office if you like libertarians vote for them. Them not winning is a self fulfilling prophecy if you don't vote for them. If you disagree that is fine to vote for what you agree with. I agree with the Republicans and Libertarians because the Republicans won't produce on what they run on. Quote
Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 > > Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and > seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad. > You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever > helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful > blindness. It is this arrogance that is very annoying. I don't see where this attitude come from. I guess I am conservative and it is not in me to look down on people. I often wonder why people are Democrats I can't see any justification. > > Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a > minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal > budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the > present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year > as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of > clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the > assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or > full of shit. > > Respectfully yours, I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to prove your point. > Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long Quote
Guest Vitor Posted April 26, 2007 Posted April 26, 2007 > Well said.... And, while you're at it, do a little homework on the state of > the US economy, its growth, GNP and value of the Stock Market for the years > 1900 to the present. Be prepared for a shock regarding the idea that somehow > Republicans are better for business and the economy. The facts say something > quite different. > > There were times when Democrats democrats did good things they did have tax cuts and represented what many people wanted. It is in the modern era especially after the the Liberals took over in 1972 did it become a party that drove many members out. By your standard the Democrats should be seen as the party of slavery and segregation. The fact is parties and ideas evolve and I don't like the ideas the Democrats push today of class envy, taxes and government growth. Quote
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