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Guest Joe S.
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"Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

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>I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>confronting the enemies of our country.

 

 

This is a joke, right??

 

Size of federal government under Bush has grown faster than at any time

since end of WWII.

 

Bush has not confronted any enemy of our country.

 

Try again.

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Guest Vitor
Posted

P.Henery wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:20:52 -0500, Vitor wrote:

>

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited governmen

>

> This administration has increased the size and teh intrusiveness of

> government more then any other in our history.

 

Yes, will the Democrats do anything different? No they will just grow

faster. Just because the leaders we have don't fight for what we want

doesn't mean that we go over to the side that is the opposite of what we

want we get new leaders. Right now it looks bleak.

>

> t> and

>> confronting the enemies of our country.

>

> You mean like Iraq? A country that did nothing to us and presented no

> threat? Republicans let Bin Laden escape and then to cover their mistakes

> launched an unwinnable war against the people of Iraq.

 

This is why I am a Republican because of the repeating of enemy

propaganda. You just lost me because this is a very inaccurate

statement. If you believe it that is fine but capturing any one person

is very difficult especially when they don't use electronic

communications. Still Afghanistan is not longer a hot bed of terror

activities and Bin Laden is not longer effective. As for the take on

the Iraq situation is very inaccurate and doesn't relate to the

evidence. You are so flawed that I don't know where to begin.

>

> We are always safer when Democrats control the congress and the oval

> office.

 

Based on what? It was Republican presidents who got stuck cleaning up

after the policies of the last two Democrats.

>

>> I am often disappointed with

>> the results. We seem to never win.

>

> That's because there is no such thing as an honest republican.

 

That is just bigotry and intolerance. You now have no credibility.

Guest Sean Sannity
Posted

On Apr 25, 8:27 pm, Gandalf Grey <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>

> Your side DOES suck.

>

> The question is, which side sucks less?

>

> That varies throughout time and space.

>

> Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say both

> sides suck about equally.

>

> But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the Democrats

> elected to Congress are delivering that change.

>

> So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people finds

> some small measure of expression.

 

The democrats suck more. The GOP fell victim to power lust and

selling out to lobbyist.

 

The American people punished the GOP for sitting on it's ass by voting

for conservative democrats.

 

Conservatives and the Nation are best served by voting Republican,

because the Democrats are atrocious and put the country in danger.

 

Regardless of the who's in office they must know they can't take the

voters for granted and they will be held accountable.

 

Sean Sannity

Guest Vitor
Posted

me wrote:

> On Apr 25, 11:20 pm, Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>> confronting the enemies of our country.

>

> And have you found that this is the actual result of republican

> rule?

> Really, as a former republican myself, one has to ask whether

> the party generally delivers upon these "ideals". Looking

> at the current administration, you've got a larger government,

> a more intrusive one, and you have two large "social"

> programs (NCLB and Medicaid drug benefit).

>

>> I am often disappointed with the results. We seem to never win.

>

> Actually, the GOP never seems to "execute". They had

> a virtual lock on power for at least 6 years and what did the

> deliver? Lower income taxes.

 

The Democrats will never lower taxes. The fight every reduction in the

growth of government.

>

>> The best we can do is hold back the left for a while.

>

> Apparently the "best" they could do was the K Street project.

> Come on, "bridges to nowhere" wasn't a "lefty" project.

 

Yep and that is why they lost. When Democrats are see as more fiscally

responsible we are through. I am frustrated with the party because they

are becoming too much like democrats.

>

>> We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never

>> goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will

>> not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the

>> Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people

>> don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves.

>

> That sounds good, but the more honest assessment is that what the

> right actually achieves is the privitization of risk combined with the

> publicization of reward.

 

How about just stop taxing and cutting government programs. I have

worked in government and wastes so much money and they only stop the

waste is to close the bureaucracies and stop what they are doing.

>

>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

>> are evil and have bad intentions.

>

> Look at the last 20 years and see which party produced results

> closer

> to your ideals? "Reagan's" tax cut was a Rostenkowski product.

 

Jack Kemp, it had to go through the democrats they ran congress.

> The "golden asterisk" on the other hand was a GOP invention. Gore,

> under Clinton, actually reduced the size of the federal government

> payroll.

> Reagan, Bush I and II all increased the size. The lowest deficits

> since the

> '60s have all been under democrats.

 

That went through a republican house that force it on Clinton, that what

the government shut down was all about. In that time the Republicans

had good leaders and really made strides. Until this last election they

got rid of Republican leader not by defeating them in election but

scandal mongering.

>

>> If that is the case we will get rid

>> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to

>> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the

>> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will

>> call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such

>> insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept

>> arguments of Liberals.

>

> Check out the rights common criticisms of "liberals". They

> turned

> the word "liberal" into a perjorative. You think they accomplished

> that

> through honest debate?

 

That might be a good point and I listen to the left and right but seldom

do I see any good and honest debate. Most of what I hear is connect

Liberal with a policy direction. I hear really nasty mean things from

people who disagree with me. Please read back to the other responses to

my post and I see that it is very dismissive and condescending and

people like that loose credibility with me.

>

>> I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are

>> saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing

>> Republicans do.

>

> The GOP has been in charge for the better part of the

> last 12 years. When you're in charge, you get criticized.

> When you're not, you do the criticizing. Check out what

> the GOP minority in congress now does. They complain

> constantly about how the Dems are running things.

 

Being in charge for about 6 years and before that it was divided but for

the sake of debate.

>

>> Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many

>> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument.

>

> Walk to the other side of the aisle and you'll hear the same

> thing.

 

I am sensitive of that and do my best to listen to both sides. I also

look at what they are saying and how accurate that information is. One

error or wrong fact will not make me loose credibility in one side or

another. Just comparing the two sides I think the Right makes a better

case.

>

>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join

>> us because your side sucks.

>

>

> One tends to find what they are looking for.

>

 

Yes, you have a point. I am willing to debate that is why I am here. I

do try to be patient and engage in honest debate. I am confident enough

in what I believe to do that. My point of view comes from my

experiences and the Right much better reflects what I believe.

Guest Miles Long
Posted

Vitor wrote:

>

>>

>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>> blindness.

>

> It is this arrogance that is very annoying. I don't see where this

> attitude come from. I guess I am conservative and it is not in me to

> look down on people. I often wonder why people are Democrats I can't

> see any justification.

>>

>> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

>> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

>> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

>> present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year

>> as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of

>> clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the

>> assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or

>> full of shit.

>>

>> Respectfully yours,

>

> I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to

> prove your point.

>

>

>> Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long

 

Vitor:

 

I have done the homework. I know the difference in performance

between the two parties. That is where my attitude comes from,

I value education, research and cogent thinking, none of which

you exhibited in your original post.

 

So, did you do the research? Of course not. That makes you

willfully ignorant. And, your response to me makes you full of

shit.

 

Next time, Vitor, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

 

Miles "Another Tragic Victim of the Dumbing Down of the World" Long

Guest Vitor
Posted

Sean Sannity wrote:

> On Apr 25, 8:27 pm, Gandalf Grey <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Your side DOES suck.

>>

>> The question is, which side sucks less?

>>

>> That varies throughout time and space.

>>

>> Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say both

>> sides suck about equally.

>>

>> But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the Democrats

>> elected to Congress are delivering that change.

>>

>> So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people finds

>> some small measure of expression.

>

> The democrats suck more. The GOP fell victim to power lust and

> selling out to lobbyist.

>

> The American people punished the GOP for sitting on it's ass by voting

> for conservative democrats.

>

> Conservatives and the Nation are best served by voting Republican,

> because the Democrats are atrocious and put the country in danger.

>

> Regardless of the who's in office they must know they can't take the

> voters for granted and they will be held accountable.

>

> Sean Sannity

>

>

>

 

Don't agree, but at least you are thinking and see problems with both

parties. With so much unlimited power in government today corruption is

inevitable and the only cure is rolling back that power. The basic

choice is between active and restrained government and I side with and

see more desire in the Republicans to restrain government. I am

frustrated that with total control of the government that hasn't

happened. With the Republican Spending Binge and not doing any thing to

advance their principles or what got them elected, we have to find new

leaders. Until we get leaders who push for what we want in restraining

government and lowering taxes and spending we are doomed to loose.

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Gandalf Grey wrote:

> kT wrote:

>> Gandalf Grey wrote:

>>> Vitor wrote:

>>>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>>>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed

>>>> with the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold

>>>> back the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The

>>>> budget never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am

>>>> disappointed I will not join the party of open government

>>>> expansion. What is worse the Right is much more persuasive. They

>>>> envision a country where people don't depend on the government and

>>>> are free to take care of themselves.

>>>>

>>>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how

>>>> Republicans are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case

>>>> we will get rid of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that

>>>> genuinely try to further our vision of less taxes regulation and

>>>> generally removes the burden of government. I often see the

>>>> argument agree with me or I will call you names and you are a

>>>> Republican because you are stupid. Such insults are not persuasive

>>>> and only make me less likely to accept arguments of Liberals. I do

>>>> often try to keep tabs on what liberals are saying. All they do is

>>>> run down lists of all the terrible thing Republicans do. Most of

>>>> what I hear I badly out of context and many fact are omitted because

>>>> it doesn't support their argument.

>>>>

>>>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is

>>>> join us because your side sucks.

>>> Your side DOES suck.

>>>

>>> The question is, which side sucks less?

>>>

>>> That varies throughout time and space.

>>>

>>> Right about now, and right about here, in some senses, I would say

>>> both sides suck about equally.

>>>

>>> But in 2006, the American people voted for a change, and the

>>> Democrats elected to Congress are delivering that change.

>>>

>>> So suck or not, democracy limps along and the will of the people

>>> finds some small measure of expression.

>>

>> Can you quantify that for us, in SI units of suckiness, please?

>>

>> Just a back of the envelope order of magnitude of suckiness

>> calculation even?

>

>

> Sorry

>

> Suckiness is highly subjective, as you must well know, and cannot be

> correlated with any known metric that would yield a reliable comparison

> of different perceptions of this quality.

>

> In other words, Suckiness is in the eye of the beholder.

If there ever will be such a metric I would call it the "Bush" unit.

Guest Bob Eld
Posted

"Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

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>

> > Well said.... And, while you're at it, do a little homework on the state

of

> > the US economy, its growth, GNP and value of the Stock Market for the

years

> > 1900 to the present. Be prepared for a shock regarding the idea that

somehow

> > Republicans are better for business and the economy. The facts say

something

> > quite different.

> >

> >

> There were times when Democrats democrats did good things they did have

> tax cuts and represented what many people wanted. It is in the modern

> era especially after the the Liberals took over in 1972 did it become a

> party that drove many members out. By your standard the Democrats

> should be seen as the party of slavery and segregation. The fact is

> parties and ideas evolve and I don't like the ideas the Democrats push

> today of class envy, taxes and government growth.

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Miles Long wrote:

> Vitor wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>>> blindness.

>>

>> It is this arrogance that is very annoying. I don't see where this

>> attitude come from. I guess I am conservative and it is not in me to

>> look down on people. I often wonder why people are Democrats I can't

>> see any justification.

>>>

>>> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

>>> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

>>> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

>>> present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year

>>> as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of

>>> clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the

>>> assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or

>>> full of shit.

>>>

>>> Respectfully yours,

>>

>> I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to

>> prove your point.

>>

>>

>>> Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long

>

> Vitor:

>

> I have done the homework. I know the difference in performance

> between the two parties. That is where my attitude comes from,

> I value education, research and cogent thinking, none of which

> you exhibited in your original post.

>

> So, did you do the research? Of course not. That makes you

> willfully ignorant. And, your response to me makes you full of

> shit.

>

> Next time, Vitor, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

>

> Miles "Another Tragic Victim of the Dumbing Down of the World" Long

More like Miles "Kicking Rightard Ass one Vitor at a Time" Long.

Guest Bob Eld
Posted

"Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

news:46312245$0$1387$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>

> > Well said.... And, while you're at it, do a little homework on the state

of

> > the US economy, its growth, GNP and value of the Stock Market for the

years

> > 1900 to the present. Be prepared for a shock regarding the idea that

somehow

> > Republicans are better for business and the economy. The facts say

something

> > quite different.

> >

> >

> There were times when Democrats democrats did good things they did have

> tax cuts and represented what many people wanted. It is in the modern

> era especially after the the Liberals took over in 1972 did it become a

> party that drove many members out. By your standard the Democrats

> should be seen as the party of slavery and segregation. The fact is

> parties and ideas evolve and I don't like the ideas the Democrats push

> today of class envy, taxes and government growth.

 

There's no short answer to that that has not already been stated elsewhere

in this thread. If you believe that Republicans in the last 50 years have

limited the growth of government, that taxation has been fair and not

favored the richest among us, that it is the Dems who create class envy,

that corporations should be able to do what they want without limit or

regulation, that society is better off in a dog eat dog environment, that

monopolistic practices and pricing are ok, that the environment should be

trashed in the name of progress, that insurance companies should only insure

the healthy, that government should limit womens reproductive rights plus an

endless list of other issues not to mention waging endless war, then vote

Republican. If you think there might be a better way then consider your vote

carefully. Also please do the homework listed above, it might open your eyes

a little.

Guest Vitor
Posted

Bob Eld wrote:

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:46312245$0$1387$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>> Well said.... And, while you're at it, do a little homework on the state

> of

>>> the US economy, its growth, GNP and value of the Stock Market for the

> years

>>> 1900 to the present. Be prepared for a shock regarding the idea that

> somehow

>>> Republicans are better for business and the economy. The facts say

> something

>>> quite different.

>>>

>>>

>> There were times when Democrats democrats did good things they did have

>> tax cuts and represented what many people wanted. It is in the modern

>> era especially after the the Liberals took over in 1972 did it become a

>> party that drove many members out. By your standard the Democrats

>> should be seen as the party of slavery and segregation. The fact is

>> parties and ideas evolve and I don't like the ideas the Democrats push

>> today of class envy, taxes and government growth.

>

> There's no short answer to that that has not already been stated elsewhere

> in this thread. If you believe that Republicans in the last 50 years have

> limited the growth of government, that taxation has been fair and not

> favored the richest among us, that it is the Dems who create class envy,

 

It was Democrats that created tax policy since the 30s. If you have

complains take them to the democrats. JFK, Reagan and Bush all cut

taxes and the economy has only gotten better. We have basically had

good economies since 1982.

> that corporations should be able to do what they want without limit or

> regulation, that society is better off in a dog eat dog environment, that

> monopolistic practices and pricing are ok, that the environment should be

> trashed in the name of progress, that insurance companies should only insure

> the healthy, that government should limit womens reproductive rights plus an

> endless list of other issues not to mention waging endless war, then vote

> Republican. If you think there might be a better way then consider your vote

> carefully. Also please do the homework listed above, it might open your eyes

> a little.

>

>

 

The two parties are not the same as they were 50 years ago and the 70s

was a time of political change and re-alignment. Reagan was a Democrat

50 years ago. From 1932 to 1980 the Republicans were a token party with

no ideas and won nothing. The democrats gave us the the biggest growth

in government through the new deal and great society. Today a vast

portion of the budget goes to Democratic programs that never end or get

smaller.

 

You speak of waging endless war and womens rights. Do you have any idea

of big of a contradiction that is. We are fighting some of the most

brutal oppressors of women. As far as Reproductive rights, I a not

against birth control and women have the right to refuse sex, rape is

still illegal. If you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex because

the right to live is the basis of freedom. Without that right all other

rights are meaningless.

 

Still I don't agree with your assessment of freedom and that government

is the solution to all the problems. I don't see things going back to

how they were in 1924 but can you find one regulation or program the

government doesn't need to do? Is there any check on government growth

and power?

 

Still I don't agree with your attitude toward freedom.

Guest fiend999
Posted

In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

<vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

 

--

~~~

Guest Bob Eld
Posted

"Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

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Cut......

 

We are fighting some of the most

> brutal oppressors of women.

 

Yes and we have installed a fundamentalist Shiia government in Iraq because

of our idea of "democracy" gives them majority power over more secular

forces that could exist. Women had more rights under Saddam than under the

present Shiia government. No matter who wins in Iraq, a repressive

fundamentalist theocracy will be the result.

 

Cut...

 

Is there any check on government growth

> and power?

 

How do you feel about the Patriot Act? How do you feel about the loss of

checks and balances in government, with the previous rubber stamp Congress?

How do you feel about corporate power, about Exxon, drug companies,

insurance companies? What recourse do you have? The checks on government

growth is elections and opposition. No such limits exist in the corporate

monopoly world.

 

Given your answers, there is little you can do but vote Republican.

Fortunately you won't have as much company as in the past several elections.

Guest Jack A. Lopes
Posted

In article <46312127$0$1418$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

<vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> >

> > Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

> > seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

> > You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

> > helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

> > blindness.

>

> It is this arrogance that is very annoying.

 

Your refusal to pay attention when someone points you in the direction

of facts and reality is very annoying.

 

--

1+1+1+1...

Guest Jim E
Posted

"Miles Long" <Miles@home.net> wrote in message

news:9e189$4630286f$4069ee8e$27229@msgid.meganewsservers.com...

> Vitor wrote:

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with the

>> results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the left

>> for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never goes

>> down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will not

>> join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the Right is

>> much more persuasive. They envision a country where people don't depend

>> on the government and are free to take care of themselves.

>>

>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

>> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid of

>> the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to further

>> our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the burden of

>> government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will call you

>> names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such insults are

>> not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept arguments of

>> Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are saying. All

>> they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing Republicans do. Most

>> of what I hear I badly out of context and many fact are omitted because

>> it doesn't support their argument.

>>

>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join

>> us because your side sucks.

>

>

> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

> blindness.

 

Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

Thanks for proving his point.

 

 

 

 

Jim E

Guest Jim E
Posted

"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:46312245$0$1387$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>

>> > Well said.... And, while you're at it, do a little homework on the

>> > state

> of

>> > the US economy, its growth, GNP and value of the Stock Market for the

> years

>> > 1900 to the present. Be prepared for a shock regarding the idea that

> somehow

>> > Republicans are better for business and the economy. The facts say

> something

>> > quite different.

>> >

>> >

>> There were times when Democrats democrats did good things they did have

>> tax cuts and represented what many people wanted. It is in the modern

>> era especially after the the Liberals took over in 1972 did it become a

>> party that drove many members out. By your standard the Democrats

>> should be seen as the party of slavery and segregation. The fact is

>> parties and ideas evolve and I don't like the ideas the Democrats push

>> today of class envy, taxes and government growth.

>

> There's no short answer to that that has not already been stated elsewhere

> in this thread. If you believe that Republicans in the last 50 years have

> limited the growth of government, that taxation has been fair and not

> favored the richest among us, that it is the Dems who create class envy,

> that corporations should be able to do what they want without limit or

> regulation, that society is better off in a dog eat dog environment, that

> monopolistic practices and pricing are ok, that the environment should be

> trashed in the name of progress, that insurance companies should only

> insure

> the healthy, that government should limit womens reproductive rights plus

> an

> endless list of other issues not to mention waging endless war, then vote

> Republican. If you think there might be a better way then consider your

> vote

> carefully. Also please do the homework listed above, it might open your

> eyes

> a little.

>

>

 

After reading that litany of lies, I guess I will vote Republican.

 

 

 

 

Jim E

Guest Jim E
Posted

"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:46313c46$0$24755$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>

> Cut......

>

> We are fighting some of the most

>> brutal oppressors of women.

>

> Yes and we have installed a fundamentalist Shiia government in Iraq

> because

> of our idea of "democracy" gives them majority power over more secular

> forces that could exist. Women had more rights under Saddam than under the

> present Shiia government. No matter who wins in Iraq, a repressive

> fundamentalist theocracy will be the result.

>

> Cut...

>

> Is there any check on government growth

>> and power?

>

> How do you feel about the Patriot Act?

 

Much better than

I feel about cradle to grave welfare for the lazy at my expense.

 

How do you feel about the loss of

> checks and balances in government, with the previous rubber stamp

> Congress?

 

Agreement is not a lack of checks and balances.

 

Yyou just didn't like the outcome.

Tough shit

> How do you feel about corporate power, about Exxon, drug companies,

> insurance companies? What recourse do you have? The checks on government

> growth is elections and opposition. No such limits exist in the corporate

> monopoly world.

 

 

So you still want some form of communist rule where free enterprise is

crushed.

 

No surprise there.

>

> Given your answers, there is little you can do but vote Republican.

> Fortunately you won't have as much company as in the past several

> elections.

>

>

 

 

If the far left loons keep destroying your party, my future is bright.

 

 

 

 

Jim E

>

Guest David R KE
Posted

"Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

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>

> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

 

what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans, and in

fact the whole world

now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

 

they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

 

they're wrong

Guest David R KE
Posted

"Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

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>

>

> After reading that litany of lies, I guess I will vote Republican.

>

good,we sure don't want your type spreading the hillbilly stupid diseases to

human beings

Guest David R KE
Posted

"Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

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>

> If the far left loons keep destroying your party, my future is bright.

Jim E

 

living in a cave gomer ?

 

looks like you hillbillies have been stomping obn your dicks for 6 years,

showing the world what type of low class, low intellect,murderers,rapists,

torturers, and all arounf goose stepping nazis you are,

 

keep it up and they will band together to whip your ass, and you have no

military to

defend yourselves, because the military is infested with losing,failing,

ignorant

hillbillies ready to die for the likes of bush,cheney, halliburton, and

exxon,

 

you have no argument, just the typical hillbilly horseshit

Posted
Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore.

(besides destruction of national sovereignty)

 

Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good

excuse for a life... let alone a political party.

 

And you just proved his point, "The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans are evil and have bad intentions." Actually, after reading the whole thread, there are a lot of Liberals proving his point.

Guest fiend999
Posted

In article <wolvesslasher.2pot1y@wpyo.bbs.local>, wolvesslasher

<wolvesslasher.2pot1y@wpyo.bbs.local> wrote:

> lorad474@cs.com;1428156 Wrote:

> > Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore.

> > (besides destruction of national sovereignty)

> >

> > Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good

> > excuse for a life... let alone a political party.

>

> And you just proved his point, "The left won't compete on ideas they

> just go on and on how Republicans are evil and have bad intentions."

 

The "idea" is to end the corruption and destruction to our country.

Did you really need someone to explain that to you?

 

--

~~~

Guest Roger
Posted

"wolvesslasher" <wolvesslasher.2pot1y@wpyo.bbs.local> wrote in message

news:wolvesslasher.2pot1y@wpyo.bbs.local...

>

> lorad474@cs.com;1428156 Wrote:

>> Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore.

>> (besides destruction of national sovereignty)

>>

>> Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good

>> excuse for a life... let alone a political party.

>

> And you just proved his point, "The left won't compete on ideas they

> just go on and on how Republicans are evil and have bad intentions."

> Actually, after reading the whole thread, there are a lot of Liberals

> proving his point.

 

When there are people who seem to be doing everything they can to destroy

this country, what other ideas can possibly be more important than to stop

them?

 

When a person can't breathe, you don't discuss his choice of haircut.

Posted

"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:4631dfb7$0$19426$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> "wolvesslasher" <wolvesslasher.2pot1y@wpyo.bbs.local> wrote in message

> news:wolvesslasher.2pot1y@wpyo.bbs.local...

>>

>> lorad474@cs.com;1428156 Wrote:

>>> Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore.

>>> (besides destruction of national sovereignty)

>>>

>>> Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a

>>> good excuse for a life... let alone a political party.

>>

>> And you just proved his point, "The left won't compete on ideas they

>> just go on and on how Republicans are evil and have bad intentions."

>> Actually, after reading the whole thread, there are a lot of Liberals

>> proving his point.

>

> When there are people who seem to be doing everything they can to

> destroy this country, what other ideas can possibly be more important

> than to stop them?

>

> When a person can't breathe, you don't discuss his choice of haircut.

>

>

>

The man's a nutroll.

 

The idea that a republican had an idea is ridiculous in and of itself.

Every addition to society has come from the left and every substraction

from the right. They balance the equation. Just like good needs bad, and

worth needs worthless The left needs the right to judge the direction and

distance we must go. Today we have a long way to go and in the polar

opposite direction of Bush's.

 

--

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much

liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas

Jefferson

 

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of

conservatives." - ETG

Guest Miles Long
Posted

Jim E wrote:

> "Miles Long" <Miles@home.net> wrote in message

> news:9e189$4630286f$4069ee8e$27229@msgid.meganewsservers.com...

>> Vitor wrote:

>>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with the

>>> results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back the left

>>> for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never goes

>>> down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will not

>>> join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the Right is

>>> much more persuasive. They envision a country where people don't depend

>>> on the government and are free to take care of themselves.

>>>

>>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

>>> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid of

>>> the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to further

>>> our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the burden of

>>> government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will call you

>>> names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such insults are

>>> not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept arguments of

>>> Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals are saying. All

>>> they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing Republicans do. Most

>>> of what I hear I badly out of context and many fact are omitted because

>>> it doesn't support their argument.

>>>

>>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join

>>> us because your side sucks.

>>

>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>> blindness.

>

> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

> Thanks for proving his point.

>

>

>

>

> Jim E

>

>

 

Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

 

Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

 

Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

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