Why I am a Republican

[Guest Miles Long]

> Yes, you have a point. I am willing to debate that is why I am here. I

> do try to be patient and engage in honest debate. I am confident enough

> in what I believe to do that. My point of view comes from my

> experiences and the Right much better reflects what I believe.

 

 

Yes, ignorance is bliss for you sad, intellectually challenged folks

on the Right. I see you still haven't looked up the deficits and

budget totals for each year, under each president. Your ignorance

convicts you of willful, criminal stupidity. Your persistence in

trying to debate that which you do not know is sadly amusing, but

further marks you as an idiot as well.

 

Your only salvation is the fact that your true identity is masked

so no one in your trailer court or at your McJob actually knows

it's you making such an ass of yourself...

 

Come on back when you've actually done the research on the assertion

you pulled out of your ass at the beginning of this thread, then you

might begin to earn some respect, although I doubt it. Once you see

just how misguided you actually were you'll change your online identity

and rejoin the enlightened with a whole new perspective...but none of

us are going to hold our collective breath waiting. <laughing>

 

Miles "Elitist Snob & Team Statistician" Long

[Guest Vitor]

Miles Long wrote:

> Vitor wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>>> blindness.

>>

>> It is this arrogance that is very annoying. I don't see where this

>> attitude come from. I guess I am conservative and it is not in me to

>> look down on people. I often wonder why people are Democrats I can't

>> see any justification.

>>>

>>> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

>>> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

>>> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

>>> present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year

>>> as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of

>>> clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the

>>> assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or

>>> full of shit.

>>>

>>> Respectfully yours,

>>

>> I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to

>> prove your point.

>>

>>

>>> Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long

>

> Vitor:

>

> I have done the homework. I know the difference in performance

> between the two parties. That is where my attitude comes from,

> I value education, research and cogent thinking, none of which

> you exhibited in your original post.

 

I do research too and I see bias in a great deal of work. I do know

some thing about some topics because I have personal experience and I

find when I compare the experience I have an some research I find that

it is out of context and has many omissions. I do take in what the left

and right both put out and I find the right more credible. The are a

great deal of people out there who let their biases affect their work.

 

>

> So, did you do the research? Of course not. That makes you

> willfully ignorant. And, your response to me makes you full of

> shit.

 

The left puts about volumes of stuff more that can be gone through in

many life times but when I read a story in which I have experience the

Right is often far more accurate.

>

> Next time, Vitor, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

>

> Miles "Another Tragic Victim of the Dumbing Down of the World" Long

[Guest Vitor]

Bob Eld wrote:

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:46313c46$0$24755$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>

> Cut......

>

> We are fighting some of the most

>> brutal oppressors of women.

>

No we haven't. That is more inaccurate information. It is the

terrorist that a strapping bombs to kids and trying to intimidate

people into that future.

 

The real threats to freedom are the terrorists that come

around int he night and kill you if they don't like you. I

t is poverty that is driving much of the unrest and the

insurgency that is keeping people in poverty because it is

draining resources from reconstruction and keeping away investment.

 

>> of our idea of "democracy" gives them majority power over more secular

>> forces that could exist. Women had more rights under Saddam than under the

>> present Shiia government. No matter who wins in Iraq, a repressive

>> fundamentalist theocracy will be the result.

 

How do you know the future?

 

All people are better off in Iraq. There is no longer a government and

secret police who fill prisons for the slightest wrong word. In Iraq just

as any where all Shiia don't what the same thing they are divided among

secular and religious. Still most people want a secular country it the

terrorists that want to impose a radical religious or terror state again.

>>

>> Cut...

>>

>> Is there any check on government growth

>>> and power?

>> How do you feel about the Patriot Act?

 

Some of it is unconstitutional. But the result of the law was the

result of and emergency because we were exposed to a threat and

that we were not capable of responding to. We had to go from a

decaying cold war intelligence service to one that was capable to

dealing with entrepreneurial terrorist threats.

>

> Cut...

>

> Is there any check on government growth

>> and power?

>

> How do you feel about the Patriot Act? How do you feel about the loss of

> checks and balances in government, with the previous rubber stamp Congress?

> How do you feel about corporate power, about Exxon, drug companies,

> insurance companies? What recourse do you have? (Invest in them!)

The checks on government

> growth is elections and opposition.

 

The reason why the other side lost is because most people were doing

better and the other side didn't have an alternative that people wanted.

 

No such limits exist in the corporate

> monopoly world.

 

It is called customers and competition. If you don't provide a service

or a product a person can afford or is willing to pay for some one will.

 

 

I feel pretty good, I started investing in many of those companies about

1999. The republicans won, I started having money to invest because of

the tax cuts. I had money to invest and those companies did well so I

did well too.

>

> Given your answers, there is little you can do but vote Republican.

> Fortunately you won't have as much company as in the past several elections.

>

>

 

In many ways Big Business likes Democrats and big government because

they can afford to pay the cost of the regulations but it raises the

barriers to upstart competition.

[Guest Vitor]

Jack A. Lopes wrote:

> In article <46312127$0$1418$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

>

>>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>>> blindness.

>> It is this arrogance that is very annoying.

>

> Your refusal to pay attention when someone points you in the direction

> of facts and reality is very annoying.

>

What points? Nothing of value was said.

[Guest Vitor]

David R KE wrote:

> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

> news:59daaoF2ko4r1U1@mid.individual.net...

>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>

> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans, and in

> fact the whole world

> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

>

> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>

> they're wrong

>

>

Keep on proving my point. Thanks.

[Guest Vitor]

>

> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>

> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

 

Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I

admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events

comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things to

know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information they

research as well.

[Guest Vitor]

David R KE wrote:

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

>

> your missing the basics,

>

> take a look at who benefits from the policies

> of each party and who suffers

>

> the republicans point at the DJIA and increased tax revenues,

>

> corporate profits went from about 400 to 900 billion

 

That profit comes from people being able to pay for good and services

that the corporations offer. If there is no customer there is no

corporation. Over the past 8 years I have finally had the money to

invest and I am doing well because these corporations are doing well. I

am just watching what the Democrats propose so I can take my profits out

of the market before it goes down.

>

> will they split their take with their shareholders

> will they raise the wages and benefits of their employees

> their executives

 

If they want to keep the people that make their business profitable. If

not people are free to start their own business.

>

>

> that's bad for ??

>

> higher profits result from higher prices and lower costs

 

How about people buying things and able to buy things. You are

describing productivity.

>

> did the 12 to 25 million lower paid illegal immigrants help to lower their

> costs

 

For unskilled labor where English is not even required.

>

> did outsourcing American jobs to china and other 3rd world countries

>

> are they a financial institution who now charge credit card

> interest at levels as high as 32%

 

What is forcing people to take those rates? People are free do say no.

I will admit that Credit cards are a values problem in this country

that companies take advantage of. I had a hight interest card that I

just canceled and transfered my balances to a rate of 1/3. I am a

Republican and not that Smart so most other people would be able to

figure that out too.

>

> are they an oil company who benefited from the $3.50 gasoline price

> gouging, which is starting again since the elections are far enough in the

> past to make it look innocent

 

Actually most oil companies around the world are state owned inefficient

entities and because of free markets and lower oil prices free oil

companies got very efficient. I didn't hear any sympathy in the 80s and

90s when small oil producers were going out of business because of low

prices.

>

> are they a drug company who lets Americans pay for research and development

> costs

> that other countries won't allow them to charge for and then lobby for laws

> to prevent you from buying from those countries

 

And that is purely a Republican interest. Big companies lobby both

sides. I bet that won't change now the Democrats control things.

>

> are they a defense company, benefiting from the needless deaths of other

> Americans

> in a war to which they would never send their children and grandchildren to

> die

 

Like Dian Feinstien?

SEN. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction

Appropriations subcommittee. As previously and extensively reviewed in

these pages, Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for

six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her

husband Richard C. Blum's ownership of two major defense contractors,

who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects

approved by Feinstein.

 

Don't blame all the bad things in government on one party. As big and

powerful government is there will always be the temptation.

>

> similarly ;

>

> the republicans are approaching $1 trillion spent in Iraq, but won't give $9

> billion to New Orleans, why is that

 

They did give the money. Alabama is recovering fine it. New Orleans is

controlled by Democrats and they have not managed the money very well.

I don't think there is a Republican involved on the local or state level

so that is not a good example.

>

> the ads for the military services including the reserves and national guard

> are specifically

> aimed at minorities and poor kids, where are the patriotic affluent

> republican youth,

> where are the ads aimed at the preppy college students with the new cars

 

How do you market to preppy rich kids?

>

> does anyone who can only afford to shop at Wal Mart ever wonder why

>

> a caller to Limbaugh said today, essentially , that people who are not

> wealthy

> don't work hard enough and aren't educated enough, Rush agreed,

> so does that mean the American soldiers in Iraq are lazy dummies ?

>

> they're using you gomers, and you're not smart enough to realize it,

> they throw you a few treats every now and then, the gay marriage thing is

> a good example, distract you while they pick your pocket

 

 

What is wrong with a career in the Military? It has its risks as well

as rewards. You can do all right in the military. They also pay well

for the war. Many voulinteer to go to Iraq because for most the risk is

pretty low and compensation is much better than most people who start

with college degrees. You can also get college out of the deal.

[Guest Jack A. Lopes]

In article <46327fc3$0$5780$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

<vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> Jack A. Lopes wrote:

> > In article <46312127$0$1418$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> >

> >>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

> >>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

> >>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

> >>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

> >>> blindness.

> >> It is this arrogance that is very annoying.

> >

> > Your refusal to pay attention when someone points you in the direction

> > of facts and reality is very annoying.

> >

> What points? Nothing of value was said.

 

Go back and read more carefully this time. "Points" was a verb.

 

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[Guest Vitor]

Miles Long wrote:

>> Yes, you have a point. I am willing to debate that is why I am here.

>> I do try to be patient and engage in honest debate. I am confident

>> enough in what I believe to do that. My point of view comes from my

>> experiences and the Right much better reflects what I believe.

>

> Come on back when you've actually done the research on the assertion

> you pulled out of your ass at the beginning of this thread, then you

> might begin to earn some respect, although I doubt it. Once you see

> just how misguided you actually were you'll change your online identity

> and rejoin the enlightened with a whole new perspective...but none of

> us are going to hold our collective breath waiting. <laughing>

>

> Miles "Elitist Snob & Team Statistician" Long

 

I do appreciate honesty.

 

I do make generalizations based on what I have read and experienced and

how that knowledge relates to my experiences. I am learning a great

deal about the left and the things that motivate me are being validated.

It seems to be that many of you are not secure in your ideas and

opinions that you can't take criticism. What initially attracted my to

the left was understanding and compassion. I am learning from

experience that is very much not the case. Tolerance and diversity. I

don't see much. That is strike one on the credibility preach those

values and them they disappear when someone bring a different idea.

 

I simply say from the information I take in and the experience I have

lend me to support the Republicans. Because the criticism many have

good points and there is nothing wring with being critical it is way

overboard and often not accurate.

[Guest Vitor]

lorad474@cs.com wrote:

> Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore.

> (besides destruction of national sovereignty)

>

> Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good

> excuse for a life... let alone a political party.

>

>

You really need to read diversify your information. Try hearing from

Republicans not just about them from their enemies. Challenge yourself.

I often think what would I have to do to become a democrat. I would

look to government to solve all my problems. I would say thing to be

liked. I would envy those with more than I have. I would want to take

a passive roll in defending our country. I would strive to be as nice

to the enemy to convince them not to attack us.

 

The truth is both parties have similar ends just different ways of

getting there.

[Guest Vitor]

Joe S. wrote:

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>> confronting the enemies of our country.

>

>

> This is a joke, right??

>

> Size of federal government under Bush has grown faster than at any time

> since end of WWII.

>

> Bush has not confronted any enemy of our country.

>

> Try again.

>

>

 

And that is why much of the base of the Republican party is not happy

with Bush and didn't get exited to support republicans in congressional

elections. Again if our leaders don't produce we go out and find

different leaders. There are two things has done and gets credit for

the tax cuts and choices for the courts. Because the the unrestrained

Republican spending binge the base stayed home and they lost because

they didn't do what the party wanted.

[Guest Vitor]

fiend999 wrote:

> In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

>

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

>

> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

> I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

> government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

>

 

You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

[Guest Jack Ball]

Vitor vitor@comienet.ve.com said:

> Joe S. wrote:

> > "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> > news:46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

> >> confronting the enemies of our country.

> >

> >

> > This is a joke, right??

> >

> > Size of federal government under Bush has grown faster than at any time

> > since end of WWII.

> >

> > Bush has not confronted any enemy of our country.

> >

> > Try again.

> >

> >

>

> And that is why much of the base of the Republican party is not happy

> with Bush and didn't get exited to support republicans in congressional

> elections. Again if our leaders don't produce we go out and find

> different leaders. There are two things has done and gets credit for

> the tax cuts and choices for the courts. Because the the unrestrained

> Republican spending binge the base stayed home and they lost because

> they didn't do what the party wanted.

>

>

Canada's "Conservative" government has abandoned their ideals as well, pissing

off most of the people who supported them from their grass roots when they were

formed from the ashes of a union of a fundamentalist western party and one that

once held office through the 1980's for 8 years, and decimated in the 1993

election.

 

The Prime Minister was the head of the National Citizens Coallition, a right

wing group with strong Christian fundamentalist beliefs. His essays still come

back to haunt him, now that he's been in league with the separatist Bloc

Quebecois and moved his party to the center to hold on to his minority

government.

 

As in the USA, Conservatives are so in name only, these days. Their actions

(be it fiscally or ideal-wise) are far from what the portends.

[Guest Sneddon]

Vitor vitor@comienet.ve.com said:

> You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

> to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

> use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

> still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

>

That shouldn't be tough, considering that Bush increased the size of government

by over 20% in the first 5-years of his presidency (and we all know what he did

with the annual fiscal surplus from 1998 to 2000 and the environment).

 

It will take years to repair the damage. It's time for some 'tough love'.

 

The house needs to be put back in order, for the sake of our decedents.

[Guest Miles Long]

Vitor wrote:

>

>>

>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>

>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>

> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I

> admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events

> comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things to

> know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information they

> research as well.

 

And yet, you still don't know shit about your original assertion.

I directed you to research the federal budgets and deficits under the

20th Century presidents so you could see how wrong your perception

really is. However, two days later, you have no further grasp of

the facts, and willfully continue to wallow in ignorance.

 

I appreciate your kind attentions <laughing>, but you really should

try to engage someone your intellectual equal. You have yet to even

begin to be taken seriously by the likes of me. Do the research,

be a man, own up to your mistake, then we can begin a serious

dialog. Until then, everyone here is going to be reminded of your,

as I stated before, having brought a knife to a gun fight...

 

love always,

 

Miles "Community Outreach" Long

[Guest Miles Long]

Vitor wrote:

> Miles Long wrote:

>>> Yes, you have a point. I am willing to debate that is why I am

>>> here. I do try to be patient and engage in honest debate. I am

>>> confident enough in what I believe to do that. My point of view

>>> comes from my experiences and the Right much better reflects what I

>>> believe.

>>

> > Come on back when you've actually done the research on the assertion

>> you pulled out of your ass at the beginning of this thread, then you

>> might begin to earn some respect, although I doubt it. Once you see

>> just how misguided you actually were you'll change your online identity

>> and rejoin the enlightened with a whole new perspective...but none of

>> us are going to hold our collective breath waiting. <laughing>

>>

>> Miles "Elitist Snob & Team Statistician" Long

>

> I do appreciate honesty.

>

> I do make generalizations based on what I have read and experienced and

> how that knowledge relates to my experiences. I am learning a great

> deal about the left and the things that motivate me are being validated.

> It seems to be that many of you are not secure in your ideas and

> opinions that you can't take criticism. What initially attracted my to

> the left was understanding and compassion. I am learning from

> experience that is very much not the case. Tolerance and diversity. I

> don't see much. That is strike one on the credibility preach those

> values and them they disappear when someone bring a different idea.

>

> I simply say from the information I take in and the experience I have

> lend me to support the Republicans. Because the criticism many have

> good points and there is nothing wring with being critical it is way

> overboard and often not accurate.

 

 

Read a book, Vitor... <laughing>

 

Miles "My New Special Friend, Short School Bus Special" Long

[Guest Jim E]

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>

> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

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>>

>> If the far left loons keep destroying your party, my future is bright.

> Jim E

>

> living in a cave gomer ?

>

> looks like you hillbillies have been stomping obn your dicks for 6 years,

> showing the world what type of low class, low intellect,murderers,rapists,

> torturers, and all arounf goose stepping nazis you are,

 

Lot's of wild accusations, no evidense.

How liberal of you.

 

>

> keep it up and they will band together to whip your ass, and you have no

> military to

> defend yourselves, because the military is infested with losing,failing,

> ignorant

> hillbillies ready to die for the likes of bush,cheney, halliburton, and

> exxon,

 

That is the idiology that will get you stomped.

That is the usual attitude of the coward toward the soldier.

You have never risked your life for anything have you .

You just take.

 

 

 

>

> you have no argument, just the typical hillbilly horseshit

>

>

 

That was a really profound argument <snicker>

 

 

 

Jim E

[Guest Jim E]

"David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

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> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

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>>

>

>>

>> After reading that litany of lies, I guess I will vote Republican.

>>

> good,we sure don't want your type spreading the hillbilly stupid diseases

> to human beings

>

>

 

Your eloquence is telling of the lib mind.

You sound like a third grade hic.

 

 

 

Jim E

[Guest Jim E]

"David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

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> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

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>>

>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>

> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans, and in

> fact the whole world

> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

>

> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>

> they're wrong

>

>

 

Your constant reliance on name calling as a substitute for argument makes

you look pretty ignorant, even for a lib.

 

 

 

Jim E

[Guest Jim E]

"Miles Long" <MilesLong@home.net> wrote in message

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> Jim E wrote:

>> "Miles Long" <Miles@home.net> wrote in message

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>>> Vitor wrote:

>>>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>>>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with

>>>> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back

>>>> the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget

>>>> never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I

>>>> will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse

>>>> the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where

>>>> people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of

>>>> themselves.

>>>>

>>>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

>>>> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid

>>>> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to

>>>> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the

>>>> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will

>>>> call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such

>>>> insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept

>>>> arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals

>>>> are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing

>>>> Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many

>>>> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument.

>>>>

>>>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is

>>>> join us because your side sucks.

>>>

>>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>>> blindness.

>>

>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>> Thanks for proving his point.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Jim E

>

> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing>

 

The laughing fool has returned.

I like your harlequin suite.

 

 

 

 

Jim E

[Guest Jim E]

"Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

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>

>>

>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>

>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>

> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I admire

> and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events comes from

> the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things to know how

> wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information they research

> as well.

 

Miles short was never a Drill Daddy.

He has never seen the military.

 

 

 

Jim E

[Guest Jerry Baltimore]

In article <46328bef$0$24697$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

<vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> lorad474@cs.com wrote:

> > Republicons don't stand for much other than corruption, anymore.

> > (besides destruction of national sovereignty)

> >

> > Funnelling money to fat cat CEOs (foreign and domestic) is not a good

> > excuse for a life... let alone a political party.

> >

> >

> You really need to read diversify your information. Try hearing from

> Republicans not just about them from their enemies. Challenge yourself.

> I often think what would I have to do to become a democrat. I would

> look to government to solve all my problems.

Why would you do that? That has nothing to do with being a democrat.

> > I would say thing to be

> liked. I would envy those with more than I have. I would want to take

> a passive roll in defending our country. I would strive to be as nice

> to the enemy to convince them not to attack us.

>

None of those things are true of the democratic party.

Apparently all you think you know about the left, you "learned" from

people on the right who do little more than lie.

[Guest fiend999]

In article <46328d9a$0$4695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

<vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> fiend999 wrote:

> > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> >

> >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

> >

> > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

> > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

> > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

> >

>

> You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

> to cut government or taxes.

 

First, show me how the republicans have reduced government. You made

that claim. Try to back it up with facts. They had 6 years of total

control and they were responsible for massive government expansion and

spending significantly more money than they took in - yet government

agencies were whittled down to the point where they could no longer do

the job that federal government is meant to do (FEMA's mishandling of

Katrina, for example). How does that fit in with your idea that smaller

government is a republican ideal?

 

Back to your use of tax cuts as a benchmark - cutting taxes while

running up massive deficits is not a good thing. Under the Clinton

administration, the deficit was reduced while we enjoyed unprecedented

economic growth - without any major cuts to essential services or

creation of new bureaucracies like Homeland Security, new domestic

spying programs or things like the Patriot Act. Can you say the same of

any Republican administration?

 

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[Guest Miles Long]

Jim E wrote:

> "Miles Long" <MilesLong@home.net> wrote in message

> news:7e7ee$46322e85$44a6537a$12533@msgid.meganewsservers.com...

>> Jim E wrote:

>>> "Miles Long" <Miles@home.net> wrote in message

>>> news:9e189$4630286f$4069ee8e$27229@msgid.meganewsservers.com...

>>>> Vitor wrote:

>>>>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>>>>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with

>>>>> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back

>>>>> the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget

>>>>> never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I

>>>>> will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse

>>>>> the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where

>>>>> people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of

>>>>> themselves.

>>>>>

>>>>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

>>>>> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid

>>>>> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to

>>>>> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the

>>>>> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will

>>>>> call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such

>>>>> insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept

>>>>> arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals

>>>>> are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing

>>>>> Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many

>>>>> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument.

>>>>>

>>>>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is

>>>>> join us because your side sucks.

>>>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>>>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>>>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>>>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>>>> blindness.

>>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>>> Thanks for proving his point.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Jim E

>> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing>

>

> The laughing fool has returned.

> I like your harlequin suite.

>

>

>

>

> Jim E

>

 

Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

 

Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

 

Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

[Guest Miles Long]

Jim E wrote:

> "David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

> news:ZJfYh.3575$H_.22@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

>> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

>> news:59daaoF2ko4r1U1@mid.individual.net...

>>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans, and in

>> fact the whole world

>> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

>>

>> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>>

>> they're wrong

>>

>>

>

> Your constant reliance on name calling as a substitute for argument makes

> you look pretty ignorant, even for a lib.

>

>

>

> Jim E

>

 

Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

 

Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

 

Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long