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Guest Miles Long
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Jim E wrote:

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:463280ff$0$5795$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>

>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I admire

>> and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events comes from

>> the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things to know how

>> wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information they research

>> as well.

>

> Miles short was never a Drill Daddy.

> He has never seen the military.

>

>

>

> Jim E

>

>

 

Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

 

Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

 

Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

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Guest Vitor
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Miles Long wrote:

> Jim E wrote:

>> "David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

>> news:ZJfYh.3575$H_.22@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

>>> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

>>> news:59daaoF2ko4r1U1@mid.individual.net...

>>>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>>> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans,

>>> and in fact the whole world

>>> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

>>>

>>> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>>>

>>> they're wrong

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Your constant reliance on name calling as a substitute for argument

>> makes you look pretty ignorant, even for a lib.

>>

>>

>>

>> Jim E

>

> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>

> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>

> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

 

 

Dumbing down of America...

 

Who is responsible for education public schools and teachers. Teachers

have their unions and who's side are those unions on? This must because

we are products of publics schools and universities are not exactly

overrun by conservatives.

Guest Vitor
Posted

Miles Long wrote:

> Vitor wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>

>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>

>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I

>> admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events

>> comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things

>> to know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information

>> they research as well.

>

> And yet, you still don't know shit about your original assertion.

> I directed you to research the federal budgets and deficits under the

> 20th Century presidents so you could see how wrong your perception

> really is. However, two days later, you have no further grasp of

> the facts, and willfully continue to wallow in ignorance.

 

Ok, there are two major sides one has the philosophy of limiting

government and having an active defense. The other is open about more

taxes and growing government programs. After JFK how many times have

the democrats cut taxes or raised taxes vs the republicans. From the

50s to the 90s the Democrats controlled congress. Still I am pretty

much starting in 60-64 when the parties began the take on the identities

they have today.

 

Johnson and Carter had complete control of congress and after that it

has been mixed. Clinton had the congress for two years and got a tax

increase. There has been no opposition to government growth until Regan

came into office. Recently the Republicans failed to do anything on the

reason whey they were elected and they lost.

>

> I appreciate your kind attentions <laughing>, but you really should

> try to engage someone your intellectual equal. You have yet to even

> begin to be taken seriously by the likes of me. Do the research,

> be a man, own up to your mistake, then we can begin a serious

> dialog. Until then, everyone here is going to be reminded of your,

> as I stated before, having brought a knife to a gun fight...

>

It all depends on the material you go through. I have have learned that

research and give a desired result. I have seen some of the research

done on the left and found it to be flawed. I have have had experience

with topics the left puts out and I find it incomplete and they only

give the information that supports they point they want to make. That

point is Republicans suck and America is an evil country.

Guest Vitor
Posted

Jim E wrote:

> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

> news:463280ff$0$5795$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>

>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I admire

>> and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events comes from

>> the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things to know how

>> wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information they research

>> as well.

>

> Miles short was never a Drill Daddy.

> He has never seen the military.

>

>

>

> Jim E

>

>

So you know him?

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Vitor wrote:

> Miles Long wrote:

>> Vitor wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

>>>> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

>>>> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

>>>> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

>>>> blindness.

>>>

>>> It is this arrogance that is very annoying. I don't see where this

>>> attitude come from. I guess I am conservative and it is not in me to

>>> look down on people. I often wonder why people are Democrats I can't

>>> see any justification.

>>>>

>>>> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

>>>> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

>>>> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

>>>> present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year

>>>> as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of

>>>> clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the

>>>> assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or

>>>> full of shit.

>>>>

>>>> Respectfully yours,

>>>

>>> I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to

>>> prove your point.

>>>

>>>

>>>> Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long

>>

>> Vitor:

>>

>> I have done the homework. I know the difference in performance

>> between the two parties. That is where my attitude comes from,

>> I value education, research and cogent thinking, none of which

>> you exhibited in your original post.

>

> I do research too and I see bias in a great deal of work. I do know

> some thing about some topics because I have personal experience and I

> find when I compare the experience I have an some research I find that

> it is out of context and has many omissions. I do take in what the left

> and right both put out and I find the right more credible. The are a

> great deal of people out there who let their biases affect their work.

 

"Iraq has WMD." -WRONG.

"Iraq is an imminent threat." -WRONG.

"Saddam was purchasing yellow cake from Niger." -WRONG.

"We're the party of smaller government." -WRONG.

"All major military operations in Iraq have ended." -WRONG.

 

just a few examples of the "Right"-arded being <LAUGHING> credible.

>

>

>>

>> So, did you do the research? Of course not. That makes you

>> willfully ignorant. And, your response to me makes you full of

>> shit.

>

> The left puts about volumes of stuff more that can be gone through in

> many life times but when I read a story in which I have experience the

> Right is often far more accurate.

>>

>> Next time, Vitor, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

>>

>> Miles "Another Tragic Victim of the Dumbing Down of the World" Long

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Vitor wrote:

> Miles Long wrote:

>> Vitor wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>>

>>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>>

>>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I

>>> admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events

>>> comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things

>>> to know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the

>>> information they research as well.

>>

>> And yet, you still don't know shit about your original assertion.

>> I directed you to research the federal budgets and deficits under the

>> 20th Century presidents so you could see how wrong your perception

>> really is. However, two days later, you have no further grasp of

>> the facts, and willfully continue to wallow in ignorance.

>

> Ok, there are two major sides one has the philosophy of limiting

> government and having an active defense. The other is open about more

> taxes and growing government programs. After JFK how many times have

> the democrats cut taxes or raised taxes vs the republicans. From the

> 50s to the 90s the Democrats controlled congress. Still I am pretty

> much starting in 60-64 when the parties began the take on the identities

> they have today.

>

> Johnson and Carter had complete control of congress and after that it

> has been mixed. Clinton had the congress for two years and got a tax

> increase. There has been no opposition to government growth until Regan

> came into office. Recently the Republicans failed to do anything on the

> reason whey they were elected and they lost.

>>

>> I appreciate your kind attentions <laughing>, but you really should

>> try to engage someone your intellectual equal. You have yet to even

>> begin to be taken seriously by the likes of me. Do the research,

>> be a man, own up to your mistake, then we can begin a serious

>> dialog. Until then, everyone here is going to be reminded of your,

>> as I stated before, having brought a knife to a gun fight...

>>

> It all depends on the material you go through. I have have learned that

> research and give a desired result. I have seen some of the research

> done on the left and found it to be flawed. I have have had experience

> with topics the left puts out and I find it incomplete and they only

> give the information that supports they point they want to make. That

> point is Republicans suck and America is an evil country.

If that's your conclussion, you haven't done SHIT.

 

You FAILED to mention that Republicans have been using the CHARGE CARD.

A responsible, CREDIBLE entity would, if they wanted to SPEND, would

find a way to PAY for that spending and not hand a giant debt to the

next generation. Sooner or later someone will end up having to pay the

piper. Raising taxes is a responsible way to pay for it. It burns

political capital... ...but it IS honest and puts the responsibility on

the person increasing the spending.

 

Now, how many times have we increased government spending under the

109th congress and king georgie iv? Huh?? What is our national debt NOW

vs. 2000?? Huh? Come again?? Is it 5% higher? 10 percent higher?? 50%

higher? You've "looked into it", right? How much?? 75%??!!! Higher??!!

How is all that debt going to be reduced with an annual decline in the

RATE of economic growth? Huh?????

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Vitor wrote:

> Miles Long wrote:

>> Jim E wrote:

>>> "David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

>>> news:ZJfYh.3575$H_.22@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

>>>> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:59daaoF2ko4r1U1@mid.individual.net...

>>>>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>>>> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans,

>>>> and in fact the whole world

>>>> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

>>>>

>>>> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>>>>

>>>> they're wrong

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Your constant reliance on name calling as a substitute for argument

>>> makes you look pretty ignorant, even for a lib.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Jim E

>>

>> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

>> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

>> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

>> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>>

>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>

>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>

>

> Dumbing down of America...

>

> Who is responsible for education public schools and teachers.

That's a question, right?

Use a "?".

>Teachers

> have their unions and who's side are those unions on? This must because

> we are products of publics schools and universities are not exactly

<LauGhing> Jim E doesn't need your help. Both you and Jim bEam are two

idiots in a pod. Are you both joined at the hip?

> overrun by conservatives.

>

Ultimately, after you blame the teachers, teacher unions and

Universities, whine endlessly about how it's their fault you're an

idiot, the responsibility and quality of your education ultimately falls

on you. If you don't take what they offer, well...

 

BTW. Ask Miles to correct your grammar for you.

Guest Vitor
Posted

Miles Long wrote:

> Jim E wrote:

>> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

>> news:463280ff$0$5795$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>>

>>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I

>>> admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events

>>> comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things

>>> to know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the

>>> information they research as well.

>>

>> Miles short was never a Drill Daddy.

>> He has never seen the military.

>>

>>

>>

>> Jim E

>>

>

> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>

> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>

> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

 

/

 

Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

present.

 

There is your stupid answer.

 

http://www.kowaldesign.com/budget

 

This is the only point you make is deficits. The rest of what you say

is verbal intimidation. Still there is no mention of how the number are

calculated or a whole host of other factors. You seem to be nothing

more than a bully and that only indicates to me that you are not

genuine. Who control spending in the congress for most of that time who

wrote the baselines and create the automatic spending mechanisms and

base lines that made people dependent on that spending making them a

dependent voting block. They created the idea that more money the next

year is a cut. It is not as nearly as clear cut as you like to make it

out to be. When it comes to raising and spending money we clearly need

to look at congress:

 

Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of

Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as

on other Bills.

 

Only a Republican Congress had any effect on the size of deficits which

were caused by automatic and ballooning cost of democratic programs.

 

 

The high degree of arrogance really degrades your credibility and is not

hard to counter.

Guest Vitor
Posted

> iles Long wrote:

>> Jim E wrote:

>>> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message news:463280ff$0$5795$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>>>

>>>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen things to know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the information they research as well.

>>>

>>> Miles short was never a Drill Daddy.

>>> He has never seen the military.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Jim E

>>>

>>

>> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

>> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

>> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

>> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>>

>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>

>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>

> /

>

> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

> present.

>

> There is your stupid answer.

>

> http://www.kowaldesign.com/budget

>

> This is the only point you make is deficits. The rest of what you say is verbal intimidation. Still there is no mention of how the number are calculated or a whole host of other factors. You seem to be nothing more than a bully and that only indicates to me that you are not genuine. Who control spending in the congress for most of that time who wrote the baselines and create the automatic spending mechanisms and base lines that made people dependent on that spending making them a dependent voting block. They created the idea that more money the next year is a cut. It is not as nearly as clear cut as you like to make it out to be. When it comes to raising and spending money we clearly need to look at congress:

>

> Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

>

> Only a Republican Congress had any effect on the size of deficits which were caused by automatic and ballooning cost of democratic programs.

>

>

> The high degree of arrogance really degrades your credibility and is not hard to counter.

Guest Vitor
Posted

P.Henery wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:20:52 -0500, Vitor wrote:

>

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited governmen

>

> This administration has increased the size and teh intrusiveness of

> government more then any other in our history.

 

That is not true, Lincoln and FDR did much more.

>

> t> and

>> confronting the enemies of our country.

>

> You mean like Iraq? A country that did nothing to us and presented no

> threat? Republicans let Bin Laden escape and then to cover their mistakes

> launched an unwinnable war against the people of Iraq.

 

I do believe you are violating your non-disclosure agreement because it

is a crime to leak classified material. Other wise you are just lapping

up what a bunch of Bush haters put out. You have no idea how difficult

and how many resources it takes to find single individuals epically ones

that don't use traceable communications.

 

His biggest problem remains communications, which the United States has

successfully

compromised during his time in Afghanistan. For a time, he used satellite

phones, but that ended after a 1998 leak revealed that the U.S. was

listening in.

 

This is just a bunch of biased information that is put out and it is

accepted without question because it is what is wanted to have happened.

 

>

> We are always safer when Democrats control the congress and the oval

> office.

 

Based on what? In the last 100 years wars started with Democrats 4,

Republicans 1. That would not be fair.

>

>> I am often disappointed with

>> the results. We seem to never win.

>

> That's because there is no such thing as an honest republican.

 

That is bigoted and intollerant, no wonder the Democrats were the party

of segregation and slavery.

>

>> The best we can do is hold back the

>> left for a while.

>

> Hold back the left? Why? The left is morally, ethically and intellectually

> superior to the right.

 

The last group who said stuff like that hum...

Showers and oven appealing?

>

>> We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never

>> goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will

>> not join the party of open government expansion.

>

> You prefer the party of hidden government expansion? You prefer borrow and

> spend?

 

The Democrats had the house for over 40 and the Republicans 12:

 

Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of

Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as

on other Bills.

 

>

>> What is worse the

>> Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people

>> don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves.

>

> No they don't. They envision a country with two classes the ruling elite

> and the working poor. There is nothing more evil then the 'conservative'

> dream of what America should be.

 

More bigotry and intolerants. You should be a bit more open minded.

>

>

>> The left won't compete on ideas

>

> Complete nonsense. This statement tells us that you either have your head

> up your ass or you get all of your news from Faux.

 

No competition, just poor character.

>

>> they just go on and on how Republicans

>> are evil and have bad intentions.

>

> That is part of the discussion. Republicans are evil and hateful and

> bigoted and they do want to hurt America.

>

 

I am getting bored. I think you are just doing projection, seeing in

others what is in you.

Guest Vitor
Posted

>>>> I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to

>>>> prove your point.

>

> "Iraq has WMD." -WRONG.

 

So the gassing of the Kurds is a fabrications and Saddam compied

complete with inspections?

> "Iraq is an imminent threat." -WRONG.

 

Iraq didn't launch two major wars?

> "Saddam was purchasing yellow cake from Niger." -WRONG.

 

The Israelis didn't destroy a reactor in Iraq.

 

> "We're the party of smaller government." -WRONG.

 

As compared to what? When have the democrats dreamed of cutting

anything except the military?

> "All major military operations in Iraq have ended." -WRONG.

 

That mission was accomplished. And now by comparison all the operations

are small. This is not the same operation. Different enemy different

operations.

>

> just a few examples of the "Right"-arded being <LAUGHING> credible.

Guest Vitor
Posted

Miles Long wrote:

> Vitor wrote:

>> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government and

>> confronting the enemies of our country. I am often disappointed with

>> the results. We seem to never win. The best we can do is hold back

>> the left for a while. We seldom get any real push backs. The budget

>> never goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed

>> I will not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse

>> the Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where

>> people don't depend on the government and are free to take care of

>> themselves.

>>

>> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

>> are evil and have bad intentions. If that is the case we will get rid

>> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to

>> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the

>> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I

>> will call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid.

>> Such insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept

>> arguments of Liberals. I do often try to keep tabs on what liberals

>> are saying. All they do is run down lists of all the terrible thing

>> Republicans do. Most of what I hear I badly out of context and many

>> fact are omitted because it doesn't support their argument.

>>

>> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is

>> join us because your side sucks.

>

>

> Interesting supposition, however your lack of clarity of vision, and

> seemingly inability to accurately judge the facts before you is sad.

> You are the principle reason those of us on the left despair of ever

> helping your type out of the morass of self-delusion and willful

> blindness.

>

> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

> present. And, also bring back the deficit numbers for each year

> as well. Just completing the exercise should bring a measure of

> clarity to your thinking. Should you fail to even begin the

> assignment then you brand yourself willfully ignorant and or

> full of shit.

>

> Respectfully yours,

>

> Miles "Education: Kryptonite to the Right" Long

There is your stupid answer.

 

http://www.kowaldesign.com/budget

 

This is the only point you make is deficits. The rest of what you say

is verbal intimidation. Still there is no mention of how the number are

calculated or a whole host of other factors. You seem to be nothing

more than a bully and that only indicates to me that you are not

genuine. Who control spending in the congress for most of that time who

wrote the baselines and create the automatic spending mechanisms and

base lines that made people dependent on that spending making them a

dependent voting block. They created the idea that more money the next

year is a cut. It is not as nearly as clear cut as you like to make it

out to be. When it comes to raising and spending money we clearly need

to look at congress:

 

Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of

Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as

on other Bills.

 

Only a Republican Congress had any effect on the size of deficits which

were caused by automatic and ballooning cost of democratic programs.

 

 

The high degree of arrogance really degrades your credibility and is not

hard to counter.

Guest Vitor
Posted

The Pretzel wrote:

> Vitor wrote:

>> Miles Long wrote:

>>> Jim E wrote:

>>>> "David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:ZJfYh.3575$H_.22@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

>>>>> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:59daaoF2ko4r1U1@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>>>>> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies, Americans,

>>>>> and in fact the whole world

>>>>> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are stupid,

>>>>>

>>>>> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>>>>>

>>>>> they're wrong

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Your constant reliance on name calling as a substitute for argument

>>>> makes you look pretty ignorant, even for a lib.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Jim E

>>>

>>> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

>>> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

>>> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

>>> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>>>

>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>

>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>

>>

>> Dumbing down of America...

>>

>> Who is responsible for education public schools and teachers.

> That's a question, right?

> Use a "?".

>

>> Teachers have their unions and who's side are those unions on? This

>> must because we are products of publics schools and universities are

>> not exactly

> <LauGhing> Jim E doesn't need your help. Both you and Jim bEam are two

> idiots in a pod. Are you both joined at the hip?

>> overrun by conservatives.

>>

> Ultimately, after you blame the teachers, teacher unions and

> Universities, whine endlessly about how it's their fault you're an

> idiot, the responsibility and quality of your education ultimately falls

> on you. If you don't take what they offer, well...

>

 

It is good that you advocate personal responsibility. I do just fine in

life and I don't need your approval. It might be a good idea to save

the money and just git rid of public schools because we are responsible

for edjucating ourselves. The self esteem movement is out of control

because it produces a bunch of self righteous bigots.

Guest Frank Pittel
Posted

In alt.politics.usa.republican Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

: fiend999 wrote:

: > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

: > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

: >

: >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

: >

: > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

: > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

: > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

: >

 

: You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

: to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

: use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

: still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

 

The looney tune brain dead loser lib dems want to cut the size of government

by slashing the military budget and cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes.

--

 

 

 

 

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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you

Guest Rich Travsky
Posted

looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

>

> In alt.politics.usa.republican Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> : fiend999 wrote:

> : > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> : > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> : >

> : >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

> : >

> : > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

> : > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

> : > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

> : >

>

> : You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

> : to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

> : use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

> : still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

>

> The looney tune brain dead loser lib dems want to cut the size of government

> by slashing the military budget and cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes.

 

The looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER republicons want to increase

the size of government, increase the debt, cut taxes for the wealthy, and get

more Americans killed in Iraq.

 

RT

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Vitor wrote:

>

>>>>> I don't see any respect from you and it lessens your credibility to

>>>>> prove your point.

>

>>

>> "Iraq has WMD." -WRONG.

>

> So the gassing of the Kurds is a fabrications and Saddam compied

> complete with inspections?

>

>> "Iraq is an imminent threat." -WRONG.

>

> Iraq didn't launch two major wars?

How many major wars did Great Britain launch? Are they now an imminent

threat?

>

>> "Saddam was purchasing yellow cake from Niger." -WRONG.

>

> The Israelis didn't destroy a reactor in Iraq.

Not in 1982 and with our blessing and our F-16's. That's why it wasn't

discredited shortly after the SOTU speech and wasn't taken out later...

>

>> "We're the party of smaller government." -WRONG.

>

> As compared to what?

Clinton's...

 

When have the democrats dreamed of cutting

> anything except the military?

Since Republicans decided to fund everything without paying for it.

>

>> "All major military operations in Iraq have ended." -WRONG.

>

> That mission was accomplished. And now by comparison all the operations

> are small.

Like this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/23/AR2005122301471_pf.html

 

This is not the same operation. Different enemy different

> operations.

What does "ALL" mean to you?

>>

>> just a few examples of the "Right"-arded being <LAUGHING> credible.

>

>

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Vitor wrote:

> Miles Long wrote:

>> Jim E wrote:

>>> "Vitor" <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote in message

>>> news:463280ff$0$5795$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

>>>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>>>

>>>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>>> Where and when were you a Drill? It is a tough job and it is one I

>>>> admire and surly not for me. Most of my experience with real events

>>>> comes from the being in the Army. I have been places and seen

>>>> things to know how wrong and bias many of the posters are and the

>>>> information they research as well.

>>>

>>> Miles short was never a Drill Daddy.

>>> He has never seen the military.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Jim E

>>>

>>

>> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

>> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

>> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

>> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>>

>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>

>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>

> /

>

> Before you send back some smart assed response I want you to do a

> minimum of homework and come back with the sizes of the federal

> budgets of Democratic and Republican presidents from 1900 to the

> present.

>

> There is your stupid answer.

>

> http://www.kowaldesign.com/budget

>

> This is the only point you make is deficits. The rest of what you say

> is verbal intimidation. Still there is no mention of how the number are

> calculated or a whole host of other factors. You seem to be nothing

> more than a bully and that only indicates to me that you are not

> genuine. Who control spending in the congress for most of that time who

> wrote the baselines and create the automatic spending mechanisms and

> base lines that made people dependent on that spending making them a

> dependent voting block. They created the idea that more money the next

> year is a cut. It is not as nearly as clear cut as you like to make it

> out to be. When it comes to raising and spending money we clearly need

> to look at congress:

>

> Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of

> Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as

> on other Bills.

>

> Only a Republican Congress had any effect on the size of deficits which

> were caused by automatic and ballooning cost of democratic programs.

>

>

> The high degree of arrogance really degrades your credibility and is not

> hard to counter.

Oh really?

Then SCREW 1900...

Let's deal with present, a case when Republicans had full control of all

branches of government...

 

"#93. Members were caught pimping out their offices with $5,700

plasma-screen televisions, $823 ionic air fresheners, $975 window

blinds, and $623 popcorn machines." [Link]

 

Here we go:

1. Congress set a record for the fewest number of days worked

Guest The Pretzel
Posted

Vitor wrote:

> The Pretzel wrote:

>> Vitor wrote:

>>> Miles Long wrote:

>>>> Jim E wrote:

>>>>> "David R KE" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:ZJfYh.3575$H_.22@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

>>>>>> "Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:59daaoF2ko4r1U1@mid.individual.net...

>>>>>>> Like he said, agree with the liberals or you are stupid.

>>>>>> what is so hard to understand there for you hillbillies,

>>>>>> Americans, and in fact the whole world

>>>>>> now has 6 years of solid evidence proving that republicons are

>>>>>> stupid,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> they think you hillbillies can't get any dumber,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> they're wrong

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Your constant reliance on name calling as a substitute for argument

>>>>> makes you look pretty ignorant, even for a lib.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jim E

>>>>

>>>> Hey! My village's idiot is back. <laughing> I see you haven't

>>>> done the research yourself, willfully stupid, eh? Or, judging

>>>> by your lack of cogent thinking, ever, just another victim of

>>>> the Republican Party's dumbing down of America.

>>>>

>>>> Thank you for proving my point to poor Vitor.

>>>>

>>>> Miles "Too Easy Drill Sargent" Long

>>>

>>>

>>> Dumbing down of America...

>>>

>>> Who is responsible for education public schools and teachers.

>> That's a question, right?

>> Use a "?".

>>

>>> Teachers have their unions and who's side are those unions on? This

>>> must because we are products of publics schools and universities are

>>> not exactly

>> <LauGhing> Jim E doesn't need your help. Both you and Jim bEam are two

>> idiots in a pod. Are you both joined at the hip?

>>> overrun by conservatives.

>>>

>> Ultimately, after you blame the teachers, teacher unions and

>> Universities, whine endlessly about how it's their fault you're an

>> idiot, the responsibility and quality of your education ultimately

>> falls on you. If you don't take what they offer, well...

>>

>

> It is good that you advocate personal responsibility. I do just fine in

> life and I don't need your approval.

It was never offered. Believe me....

> It might be a good idea to save

> the money and just git rid of public schools because we are responsible

> for edjucating ourselves.

"Educating" is spelled -E-D-U-C-A-T-I-N-G.

Go on...

> The self esteem movement is out of control

We wouldn't want anyone with self esteem now, would we?

> because it produces a bunch of self righteous bigots.

Er, hmmmmmmmmmm. No, I don't think so. I don't think confidence in one's

self equates to self-righteous bullies who believe they know better then

anyone else and would like to make sure nobody else has had the same

infrastructure to succeed like he did.

Posted

On Apr 26, 7:24 pm, Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> me wrote:

> > On Apr 25, 11:20 pm, Vitor <v...@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

[snip]

> > Actually, the GOP never seems to "execute". They had

> > a virtual lock on power for at least 6 years and what did the

> > deliver? Lower income taxes.

>

> The Democrats will never lower taxes. The fight every reduction in the

> growth of government.

 

Not exactly, as I said before, Clinton/Gore actually reduced the

size

of the federal work force. They do "lower taxes" however,

predominately

they are only for the lowest income brackets, although they are fond

of "tax breaks" for all manner of constiuents. Ultimately, they don't

tend to reduce total revenue however.

> >> The best we can do is hold back the left for a while.

>

> > Apparently the "best" they could do was the K Street project.

> > Come on, "bridges to nowhere" wasn't a "lefty" project.

>

> Yep and that is why they lost. When Democrats are see as more fiscally

> responsible we are through. I am frustrated with the party because they

> are becoming too much like democrats.

 

You'd be hard pressed to identify a time that they were not, in

action

anyway.

> >> We seldom get any real push backs. The budget never

> >> goes down or programs ever cut. Just because I am disappointed I will

> >> not join the party of open government expansion. What is worse the

> >> Right is much more persuasive. They envision a country where people

> >> don't depend on the government and are free to take care of themselves.

>

> > That sounds good, but the more honest assessment is that what the

> > right actually achieves is the privitization of risk combined with the

> > publicization of reward.

>

> How about just stop taxing and cutting government programs. I have

> worked in government and wastes so much money and they only stop the

> waste is to close the bureaucracies and stop what they are doing.

 

It's the "stop what they are doing" part that is difficult. Every

office

has a continuency. Those are voters, also known as "American

Citizens". Everyone can agree that the "other guys" program should

be shut down. None of them can agree that THEIR program should

be shut down. Don't think the GOP is any better at this than the

Dems.

> >> The left won't compete on ideas they just go on and on how Republicans

> >> are evil and have bad intentions.

>

> > Look at the last 20 years and see which party produced results closer

> > to your ideals? "Reagan's" tax cut was a Rostenkowski product.

>

> Jack Kemp, it had to go through the democrats they ran congress.

 

You think Rostenkowski handed over power to Kemp on an issue of

this size and complexity? You're dreaming.

> > The "golden asterisk" on the other hand was a GOP invention. Gore,

> > under Clinton, actually reduced the size of the federal government

> > payroll.

> > Reagan, Bush I and II all increased the size. The lowest deficits

> > since the

> > '60s have all been under democrats.

>

> That went through a republican house that force it on Clinton, that what

> the government shut down was all about.

 

Actually, the shut down was an argument about what budgets, and

how much to cut. Clinton wanted larger cuts, but in different

programs,

Newt wanted smaller over all cuts, but in more programs. Clinton won

by the way so I'm not sure how you credit the GOP with the results.

> In that time the Republicans

> had good leaders and really made strides. Until this last election they

> got rid of Republican leader not by defeating them in election but

> scandal mongering.

 

The only "stride" I can think of that you might want to take

credit for is "Welfare Reform". I'm trying to think of a single other

accomplishment during the Clinton years for which you would

like to take credit? Go back and read the Contract on America

and see how many of those things never passed.

> >> If that is the case we will get rid

> >> of the leaders we have and seek out leaders that genuinely try to

> >> further our vision of less taxes regulation and generally removes the

> >> burden of government. I often see the argument agree with me or I will

> >> call you names and you are a Republican because you are stupid. Such

> >> insults are not persuasive and only make me less likely to accept

> >> arguments of Liberals.

>

> > Check out the rights common criticisms of "liberals". They turned

> > the word "liberal" into a perjorative. You think they accomplished that

> > through honest debate?

>

> That might be a good point and I listen to the left and right but seldom

> do I see any good and honest debate.

 

Ya gotta know where to look.

 

[snip]

> > The GOP has been in charge for the better part of the

> > last 12 years. When you're in charge, you get criticized.

> > When you're not, you do the criticizing. Check out what

> > the GOP minority in congress now does. They complain

> > constantly about how the Dems are running things.

>

> Being in charge for about 6 years and before that it was divided but for

> the sake of debate.

 

Really, when you run both houses of Congress, you're in charge

to a great degree.

 

[snip]

>

> >> In the end I see nothing positive from the left what I often see is join

> >> us because your side sucks.

>

> > One tends to find what they are looking for.

>

> Yes, you have a point. I am willing to debate that is why I am here. I

> do try to be patient and engage in honest debate. I am confident enough

> in what I believe to do that. My point of view comes from my

> experiences and the Right much better reflects what I believe

 

However, you seem more interested in what they say than what they

do. List a short list of accomplishments the GOP can take credit for

over the last 12 years and compare that to some of the things even

you complain about over the same time period. It isn't clear what you

like in the GOP behavior.

Guest Frank Pittel
Posted

In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:

: looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

: >

: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

: > : fiend999 wrote:

: > : > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

: > : > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

: > : >

: > : >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

: > : >

: > : > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

: > : > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

: > : > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

: > : >

: >

: > : You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

: > : to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

: > : use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

: > : still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

: >

: > The looney tune brain dead loser lib dems want to cut the size of government

: > by slashing the military budget and cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes.

 

: The looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER republicons want to increase

: the size of government, increase the debt, cut taxes for the wealthy, and get

: more Americans killed in Iraq.

 

I see the idiot looney tune brain dead loser lib dem lost the argument and now has

to try to change the subject.

--

 

 

 

 

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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you

Guest David R KE
Posted

"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message

news:BaGdnfQuOo5hCKvbnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@giganews.com...

> In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com>

> wrote:

> : looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

> I see the idiot looney tune brain dead loser lib dem lost the argument and

> now has

> to try to change the subject.

> Keep working millions on welfare depend on you

 

those millions are the greedy,selfish, yellow coward pigs who don't have the

balls to fight their own wars

but don't mind sending young lack and other minority youth to die for them

while the

bad mouth them and conspire to keep them out of

neighborhoods,jobs,schools,hospitals, etc.

 

 

you're full of shit gomer, and your ass is grass,

 

the young people today are not fooled by you ignorant lying hillbillies with

little education

and less intelligence, the old bigotry only works for stupid hillbillies and

most of them are being eliminated

due to their own stupidity, in the military, or replaced by Mexicans

 

it won't be long before, if not already, you hillbillies become the largest

group

of welfare recipients,

 

already you lame brain supporters of the wealthy have started retiring with

no retirement funds and nothing but

social security to support your stupid asses because you dickheads voted to

give the wealth to your greedy masters,

 

what the hell did you peckerheads think ??

 

that cocksucking hillbilly in texass and the others like him were going to

share the 400 million with you hair brains ?

 

so what do you have to crow about goober, still spouting that 1970s bullshit

about welfare queens ?

you bigoted asshole,

 

have you republicons stopped it ?

 

or abortion, gay marriage,prayer in schools or anything else ?

 

hell no,

 

al you numbskulls have done for 6 years is lose, fail, and fuckup,

 

and now you have shown the world how useless you republicon hillbillies are,

 

you'll have something to whine about if you get a female and an African

American

as president and vice president, LMAO

 

and the fact is that if you put my shoe in the white house it would do a

better job than that hillbilly cocksucking piece

texass hillbilly shit you have now

 

shut the hell up and get your lame, broke back, crippled hillbilly ass down

to the legion and

drown the truth in the liquor boy

Guest Rich Travsky
Posted

Looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

> In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:

> : looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

> : >

> : > In alt.politics.usa.republican Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> : > : fiend999 wrote:

> : > : > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> : > : > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> : > : >

> : > : >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

> : > : >

> : > : > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

> : > : > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

> : > : > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

> : > : >

> : > : You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

> : > : to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

> : > : use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

> : > : still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

> : >

> : > The looney tune brain dead loser lib dems want to cut the size of government

> : > by slashing the military budget and cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes.

>

> : The looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER republicons want to increase

> : the size of government, increase the debt, cut taxes for the wealthy, and get

> : more Americans killed in Iraq.

>

> I see the idiot looney tune brain dead loser lib dem lost the argument and now has

> to try to change the subject.

 

Poor Piddle displays his poor reding skills, missing that I used some the same

language he used.... ;)

 

RT

Guest Frank Pittel
Posted

In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:

: Looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:

: > : looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

: > : >

: > : > In alt.politics.usa.republican Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

: > : > : fiend999 wrote:

: > : > : > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

: > : > : > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

: > : > : >

: > : > : >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

: > : > : >

: > : > : > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

: > : > : > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

: > : > : > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

: > : > : >

: > : > : You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

: > : > : to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

: > : > : use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

: > : > : still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

: > : >

: > : > The looney tune brain dead loser lib dems want to cut the size of government

: > : > by slashing the military budget and cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes.

: >

: > : The looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER republicons want to increase

: > : the size of government, increase the debt, cut taxes for the wealthy, and get

: > : more Americans killed in Iraq.

: >

: > I see the idiot looney tune brain dead loser lib dem lost the argument and now has

: > to try to change the subject.

 

: Poor Piddle displays his poor reding skills, missing that I used some the same

: language he used.... ;)

 

Trying to change the subject again I see.

--

 

 

 

 

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Guest Rich Travsky
Posted

Looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

> In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:

> : Looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

> : > In alt.politics.usa.republican Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:

> : > : looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Frank Pittel wrote:

> : > : >

> : > : > In alt.politics.usa.republican Vitor <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> : > : > : fiend999 wrote:

> : > : > : > In article <46301a8f$0$17196$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Vitor

> : > : > : > <vitor@comienet.ve.com> wrote:

> : > : > : >

> : > : > : >> I prefer the Republican ideals of smaller limited government

> : > : > : >

> : > : > : > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... sorry, that's just too funny.

> : > : > : > I suppose you haven't heard about how the republicans have expanded

> : > : > : > government and increased spending in the last 6 or so years.

> : > : > : >

> : > : > : You have a chance to convert me please document where the Democrats want

> : > : > : to cut government or taxes. You people are not well informed you can

> : > : > : use the argument that the Democrats want to get rid of the AMT. It

> : > : > : still will be interesting to see the details on that one.

> : > : >

> : > : > The looney tune brain dead loser lib dems want to cut the size of government

> : > : > by slashing the military budget and cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes.

> : >

> : > : The looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER republicons want to increase

> : > : the size of government, increase the debt, cut taxes for the wealthy, and get

> : > : more Americans killed in Iraq.

> : >

> : > I see the idiot looney tune brain dead loser lib dem lost the argument and now has

> : > to try to change the subject.

>

> : Poor Piddle displays his poor reding skills, missing that I used some the same

> : language he used.... ;)

>

> Trying to change the subject again I see.

 

The Looney tune brain dead LOSER LOSER LOSER Pidle doesn't notice that he whined

about

size of government, the military budget, etc, and that I merely repackaged his own

words

back at him...

 

RT

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