Bigotry and where we stand.

[italiano_Pride]

Most people believe that bigotry is limited to only people who dislike someone because of their race or religion. This is not true. It is my deep personal belief thatbigotry is not only limited to the things stated above but a bigot is also someone who believes that only their belief set is right and will not see anyone elses opinion or both sides of a story.

 

History has left us no shortage of examples of this. The ideologies of the past and present show blatant signs of bigotry in action from the Palestinians and Isrealis to the Chinese and Mongolians.

 

In conclusion, there will be no end to this. bigotry will be around as long as human kind is around because of the instinct we have to believe that we are right and everyone else is wrong. We are all bigots.

[ImWithStupid]

Most people believe that bigotry is limited to only people who dislike someone because of their race or religion. This is not true. It is my deep personal belief thatbigotry is not only limited to the things stated above but a bigot is also someone who believes that only their belief set is right and will not see anyone elses opinion or both sides of a story.

 

History has left us no shortage of examples of this. The ideologies of the past and present show blatant signs of bigotry in action from the Palestinians and Isrealis to the Chinese and Mongolians.

 

In conclusion, there will be no end to this. bigotry will be around as long as human kind is around because of the instinct we have to believe that we are right and everyone else is wrong. We are all bigots.

 

I take it, this was meant as more of a statement thread than a debate thread.

[italiano_Pride]

Well I couldnt figure out ayny other fucking place to put it.

[ImWithStupid]

Well I couldnt figure out ayny other fucking place to put it.

 

No prob. I was just trying to make sure I was interpreting it right. I already misread one of Builders posts today.

[italiano_Pride]

Ah, well if it is in the wrong place i'm sure someone will move it.

[builder]

Ah, well if it is in the wrong place i'm sure someone will move it.

 

I think it's a worthy topic, and in the right section.

 

Bigotry is supposedly frowned upon, but when you get down to tin tacks, bigotry is lauded in the media in many ways, despite PC crapola.

[hugo]

The problem I got is once you label everyone a bigot the word becomes meaningless.

[ImWithStupid]

Most people believe that bigotry is limited to only people who dislike someone because of their race or religion. This is not true. It is my deep personal belief thatbigotry is not only limited to the things stated above but a bigot is also someone who believes that only their belief set is right and will not see anyone elses opinion or both sides of a story.

 

History has left us no shortage of examples of this. The ideologies of the past and present show blatant signs of bigotry in action from the Palestinians and Isrealis to the Chinese and Mongolians.

 

In conclusion, there will be no end to this. bigotry will be around as long as human kind is around because of the instinct we have to believe that we are right and everyone else is wrong. We are all bigots.

 

I agree with you and if your definition of a bigot is someone who believes that only their beliefs are right. You are right we all are bigots.

 

The word "belief" by definition is something that is accepted to be right even if it can't be proven.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief

 

This means that if someone doesn't think their belief is the right one, it wasn't a belief anyway.

 

I also agree with Hugo that,

 

The problem I got is once you label everyone a bigot the word becomes meaningless.

[builder]

The problem I got is once you label everyone a bigot the word becomes meaningless.

 

Hugo, how's it? Once you label everyone a terrorist, you get the same back. Funny that.

[eisanbt]

The word "belief" by definition is something that is accepted to be right even if it can't be proven.

 

Yes but the quarrel here raised against bigotry is not to refute the definition, which is as you stated simply believing in the valadity of your dogma (religious or otherwise), but against those self-righteous individuels who are not only unwilling to accept the views of others as possibly valid even when they are in opposition to their own, but the individuels that find it necessary to preach their opinions and act upon them even though those actions may be horribly unjustified in reality.

 

Let us remember that the definition given not only encompasses the unknown, things such a the existance of a godly figure and the like, but it also includes the possibility of somebody to believe that established facts are incorrect (This can be seen in racism for example. With a total lack of solid evidence some believe in inferior and superior races) It is here we find the very ugly side of bigotry as we are discussing it. When the rash actions commitited by the unjustified come to bare grief on others around them then we must stand opposed and make it known that the reasonable people of the planet will not tolerate such bullshit. There is nothing wrong with a free exchange of ideas and questioning facts is an essential part of the scientific process, but acting on poor theory (whatever those actions may be) is never a good idea and can cause much grief.

 

A scientist wouldn't publish a paper on something he believes is fact until it is found to be beyond refute or his career would be ruined. There is wisdom in that, just as it is wise not to act on belief as to fuck yourself or those around you.

[ImWithStupid]

Yes but the quarrel here raised against bigotry is not to refute the definition, which is as you stated simply believing in the valadity of your dogma (religious or otherwise), but against those self-righteous individuels who are not only unwilling to accept the views of others as possibly valid even when they are in opposition to their own, but the individuels that find it necessary to preach their opinions and act upon them even though those actions may be horribly unjustified in reality.

 

My point is that by calling someone a bigot for only accepting their beliefs, would mean everyone was a bigot or it wasn't a belief at all.

 

I mean that I would probably amend the definition to be more of someone who refuses to respect someone elses beliefs, whether they agree with them or not.

 

Let us remember that the definition given not only encompasses the unknown, things such a the existance of a godly figure and the like, but it also includes the possibility of somebody to believe that established facts are incorrect (This can be seen in racism for example. With a total lack of solid evidence some believe in inferior and superior races) It is here we find the very ugly side of bigotry as we are discussing it. When the rash actions commitited by the unjustified come to bare grief on others around them then we must stand opposed and make it known that the reasonable people of the planet will not tolerate such bullshit. There is nothing wrong with a free exchange of ideas and questioning facts is an essential part of the scientific process, but acting on poor theory (whatever those actions may be) is never a good idea and can cause much grief.

 

I still think that it would be hard to find good solid examples of bigotry that don't fall under three catagories. Diference of religion, race or ethnicity. Even the examples given by italiano_pride:

 

History has left us no shortage of examples of this. The ideologies of the past and present show blatant signs of bigotry in action from the Palestinians and Isrealis to the Chinese and Mongolians.

 

Can be linked to these three catagories.

 

A scientist wouldn't publish a paper on something he believes is fact until it is found to be beyond refute or his career would be ruined. There is wisdom in that, just as it is wise not to act on belief as to fuck yourself or those around you.

 

There is also a diference between a belief and a fact. Any scientist who pubishes a paper on something based on a belief and not supported conclusively by fact, wouldn't be much of a scientist at all.

[italiano_Pride]

The problem I got is once you label everyone a bigot the word becomes meaningless.

 

Actually once you label someone a bigot, or anything rather, you start a war.

 

The word becomes meaningles...isn't that what everyone has wanted for so long?

[Kryptonite Man]

My point is that by calling someone a bigot for only accepting their beliefs, would mean everyone was a bigot or it wasn't a belief at all.

 

I mean that I would probably amend the definition to be more of someone who refuses to respect someone elses beliefs, whether they agree with them or not.

 

 

 

I still think that it would be hard to find good solid examples of bigotry that don't fall under three catagories. Diference of religion, race or ethnicity. Even the examples given by italiano_pride:

 

 

 

Can be linked to these three catagories.

 

 

 

There is also a diference between a belief and a fact. Any scientist who pubishes a paper on something based on a belief and not supported conclusively by fact, wouldn't be much of a scientist at all.

 

Logical. Flawlessly logical.

[eisanbt]

Any scientist who pubishes a paper on something based on a belief and not supported conclusively by fact, wouldn't be much of a scientist at all.

 

 

Just as any fool who shouts from the roof-tops that he found god in a watermellon because the seeds remind him of mana would be dismissed as an idiot, and rightfully so. The relm of belief and fact is where the reasonable and the unreasonable part ways. There is such a thing as having belief based on some fact, this is what exploration is. But to be completely blind to reality and to dismiss what has been found to be certain for what you wish to be certain, this is where we find the roots of unjustified belief and inturn the roots of bigotry.

[tiredofwhiners]

Just as any fool who shouts from the roof-tops that he found god in a watermellon because the seeds remind him of mana would be dismissed as an idiot, and rightfully so.

 

How about if i see the Virgin Mary in my grilled cheese sandwich.

[ImWithStupid]

 

How about if i see the Virgin Mary in my grilled cheese sandwich.

 

I hear her son and herself like to hang out in tortillas.

[RoyalOrleans]

I once saw Vishnu in a bowl of Chex Mix.

[ToriAllen]

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

 

I agree with IWS. It takes a lot more than just a belief in something to be a bigot. I believe the things I do because I think I am correct. There are many people that have differing views than me that I think are ignorant, but I also acknowledge their right to remain ignorant if they so choose. I don

[fullauto]

Everyone is bigotted... Only the person who admits it is closest to not being one... Even the Uber-Liberal is a bigot... Matter of fact they are the biggest ones... They are completely in denial that they have a strong preference toward other liberals..

 

Everyone is a biggot, a racist, a liar, a survivalist, etc... etc...

[italiano_Pride]

No argument. Everyone who you meet is a jolly old bigot in some way or another hence the reason this thread exists.

[builder]

I once saw Vishnu in a bowl of Chex Mix.

 

I once saw that I was running out of beer, and the pub was shut. That really freaked me out. Jesus saved me, by reminding me I still had some home brew downstairs. Praise the LORD. Halleluelya brothers.

[RoyalOrleans]

I once saw that I was running out of beer, and the pub was shut. That really freaked me out. Jesus saved me, by reminding me I still had some home brew downstairs. Praise the LORD. Halleluelya brothers.

 

I thought I caught Buddha raiding my fridge, turned out to be my younger brother raiding my fridge. He's such a roly-poly fathead.

[builder]

Concerning another bigot with "GOP/D" on his side.......

 

Saw this on another group and had to pass it on:

 

 

President Bush was visiting a primary school and he joined one of the classes.

They were in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

The teacher asked the President if he would like to lead the discussion on

the word "tragedy". So the illustrious leader asked the class for an example

of a "tragedy". One little boy stood up and offered: "If my best friend, who

lives on a farm, is playing in the field and a tractor runs over him and

kills him, that would be a tragedy."

 

"No," said Bush, "that would be an accident."

 

A little girl raised her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 children drove

over a cliff, killing everyone inside, that would be a tragedy."

"I'm afraid not," explained the president. "That's what we would call a

great loss." The room went silent.

 

No other children volunteered. Bush searched the room. "Isn't there someone

here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"

 

Finally at the back of the room a little boy raised his hand... In a quiet

voice he said: "If Air Force One carrying you and Mrs. Bush was struck by a

"friendly fire" missile and blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy."

"Fantastic!" exclaimed Bush. "That's right. And can you tell me why that

would be tragedy?"

 

"Well," says the little boy, "It has to be a tragedy, because it certainly

wouldn't be a great loss and it probably wouldn't be an accident either."

[Lethalfind]

I don't think everyone is a bigot, as has been said in this thread.

 

I grew up in a VERY controlling environment. Those in charge thought their's was the only way.

 

I guess in response to this, I am very clear with people about my beliefs. For example, I feel abortion should be legal HOWEVER I couldn't have an abortion. I make no judgement on those who do. This is a personal choice that an individual has to live with.

This same comment could be made about religion. I feel we should have freedom of religion. I choose not too participate, that is also my freedom. I make no judgement on what religion people choose as long as it does not infringe upon my life.

I also grew up in the Bible belt where there are enough Baptists to actually change laws, like I the county I grew up in was dry, as in you had to drive to the next county to get any alcohol. This is biggotted to me. If you want to practice your religion by not drinking then don't... but don't force it down the necks of EVERY poor bastard in the county. This law was responsible for increasing the number of alcohol related accidents in the county so it didn't do anyone any good except give the Baptist a self satisfied grin.