Hamza123 Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 "Never before in history has a steel high rise building collapsed simply because of fire. On 9/11, by coincidence, three such buildings collapsed in ten to fifteen seconds, almost freefall speed. In other words, if you dropped a brick from the top of the World Trade Center it would have taken about that time to hit the ground." http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/david.ray.griffin.controlled.demolitions.wmv http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/discussion_in_firehouse.wmv http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.demolition.discovery.wmv http://www.reopen911.org/ad_vote.php?id=3 http://www.reopen911.org/ad_vote.php?id=5 http://www.reopen911.org/ad_vote.php?id=2 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shake.html I am curious to hear all your thoughts on this... I have seen so much BS from the gouvernment that I don't like to believe them anymore, yet I don't want to believe that something this horrid could ever be pulled off by the gouvernment... Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
smutt butt Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 an airplane with 50,000 gallons+ of fuel would take down any building in the world. belive it or not steel does melt. americans will be in a real shock when muslims give us a radioactive suprise. it will make 9-11 look like nothing. bullshit like is in those links is just that, bullshit. people who really belive that bush did it himself. muslims hijacked planes and killed people period. Quote "This place may be bombed and we will be killed. We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us." Osama Bin Laden. nov. 2001
Hamza123 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 an airplane with 50,000 gallons+ of fuel would take down any building in the world. belive it or not steel does melt. americans will be in a real shock when muslims give us a radioactive suprise. it will make 9-11 look like nothing. bullshit like is in those links is just that, bullshit. people who really belive that bush did it himself. muslims hijacked planes and killed people period. You'd think it'd knock it down if it had 50,000 gallons of fuel... Weird how it didn't go through the building... it will make 9-11 look like nothing. Wow.... You really say this like nothing else has happend... 30,000 Civilians are dead in Iraq... and the leading cause are the occupying forces. Don't give me the accidental BS... Because not even most media news press do body counts, let alone the forces. Poor Farmers... http://www.newsgateway.ca/apache_original_video.htm Yet again... Civilians... CIA should know terrorists don't run in groups of more than 5 or 6, unless it's a full blown war. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BUN410A.html Sure look like terrorists to me... :| http://www.iraqjournal.org/photo/index.html More goes on than you think... http://www.thenausea.com/elements/usa/iraq2005/december/gallery1.htm (WARNING: Strong content) USA war crime. Bombing of civilian population in Afghanistan. http://www.thenausea.com/elements/document3/document3.html You think you know everything ?? These tens of videos are only a taste... http://www.gotfootage.com/gf/store/node/viewer/type/quick/qs/Iraq/pg/1 So the Iraqi people are "worth the tens of billions of dollars" for the war... but not worth your time... Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
snafu Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Even if it were an implosion the speed of the fall would be the same. It sounds like someone is trying to make money on some dumb shit DVD that has no merit what so ever! A steel beam building has never fallen simply be fire and neither did the Trade Center buildings. Like smutt butt stated they also had the help of a plane and some 50,000 gallons of gas. That my friend would create a magnesium (metal fire) fire in minutes. The planes also ripped into several floors of outside beam structures. These buildings were designed with no inside beams for non- column office space. They went down in a pancake form because of the higher weight coming down on the other floors. Do you think Architects haven’t hashed this shit out already? Building 7 burdened unimpeded for several hours. If all of these where typical demolitions what would be the purpose? If this was a conspiracy on our part what difference would’ve mattered if they did a professional demolition or one that would’ve done more damage to other buildings? Wouldn’t it have been better for them to just blow up and take out the people running from the buildings? It is so ludicrous to think that such a mass conspiracy could ever happen. How did they get the explosives in place with no one seeing them? Who did it and how many people were involved. A controlled demolition doesn’t just take a few sticks of dynamite. They have to cut into the steel structures at precise places. I could go on and on how just a fucked up idea this is. And how fucked up someone would have to be to actually believe in such a mass conspiracy could ever occur! There's no controversy. There's money hungry fucks out there trying to make a dime of of idiotic people! Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
papabryant Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 You'd think it'd knock it down if it had 50,000 gallons of fuel... Weird how it didn't go through the building... No, it isn't. In the 1940's a B-17 bomber, fully loaded with fuel and carrying a quarter load of bombs crashed into the Empire State Building on a foggy day. The steel used at that time was coated with asbestos to prevent the beams from melting in case of a fire. In the 1970's the asbestos was REMOVED from highrise buildings due to the cancer risk. The steel beams were strong enough to withstand the initial impact, but with jet fuel sticking to them and nothing to retard the heat as they burned, they eventually melted and warped under the weight of the rest of the building. Wow.... You really say this like nothing else has happend... 30,000 Civilians are dead in Iraq... and the leading cause are the occupying forces. No, the leading cause is the foreign Islamist insurgents who are fighting the US and Iraqi troops. Most Muslims are not radicals, but the potential for radicalization exists within Islam itself and the insurgents are the ones who have undergone that process. The thing you folks on the left don't seem to realize is those Islamic radicals don't think like we do - we don't "Create" them by our presence in Iraq; we create them by our very EXISTANCE! The Islamic world operates on the premise that Islam should run EVERYTHING. This is why Mohammed took up the sword in the first place - "if you won't listen to reason and convert and obey God willingly, then you must be subjugated or killed because all of creation WILL BOW TO ALLAH." With the early successes of Islam in battle the die was cast that Islam had God's blessing. But Islamic theology does not allow introspection in defeat. When Islam lost or was rolled back, the concept that Islam or its followers could be out of God's favor or in a state of disobediance did not exist. "Obviously it was the "evil" we faced, rather than our own shortcomings that caused God's will not to be done. Redouble the efforts. God's will will be done." In our time, Islamic clerics noted that the major world economic and political powers were not Islamic, and that could not stand. If we were to retreat back to US borders, close ourself off from all international travel and commerce, tear down every non-Islamic place of worship, put some damn clothes on Brittany Spears and stop all forms of "raunchy" entertainment, AND stop using fossil fuels, IT STILL WOULDN'T STOP THEM FROM ATTACKING US! WE ARE NOT MUSLIM, and THAT is why they attack us! You cannot reason with them: You're not Muslim, they won't listen to you. You cannot appease them so they will leave you alone: either you will be a Muslim or you will die. And don't hand me any crap about the travesty of civilians dying - of course its a travesty. The difference is we TRY not to let it happen. In the Islamist theology if the person is not helping you kill the infidel they're just as guilty as the infidel! Or have you forgotten that the Islamists have exploded bombs outside Iraqi schools filled with children? If ANYONE has a reason to hate the war, its me. My cousin, Fred Bryant, Jr. was the very first civilian contractor to die in Iraq when the mail truck he was driving had a IED exploded beneath it, just outside Fallujah. This war has cost my family blood. We should be there. We're doing the right thing. How DARE you profane the memory of my cousin, and all the other Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, civilians and the Iraqis and Afghans who have died by saying otherwise. Quote A Christian with a Bible is a nuisance to your comfortable level of non-belief. And a Christian with a brain cannot be as easily dismissed as you might be accustomed to. But a Christian with both is a dangerous thing.
Hamza123 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Hey chill there buddy, I am not denying it was a terrorist attack, I wanted to hear your opinion on the buildings... Not Islam... You simply deny the fact that the lead cause of civilian death are the occupying forces, with no evidence... Reported civilian deaths resulting from the US-led military intervention in Iraq http://iraqbodycount.net/database/ Even before countries invaded Iraq... I never heard of a car bombing? Never a suicide bombing? How DARE you profane the memory of my cousin, and all the other Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, civilians and the Iraqis and Afghans who have died by saying otherwise. SO you're telling me that because I think this war is mis-led that I don't feel for any of the dead innocent people ?? Thats a moronic statement buddy. What do you think I am doing here ?? INNOCENT CIVILIANS!! Three quarters of all civilian deaths were caused by Cruise/Tamohawk Missles... I know what the soldiers deal with, and there will be civlian casualties... But it seems that you totally ignore even the obvious of evidence... Like that video with the civilians just walking, and boom... Are they not worth your time ?? Iraq never wanted in this war, and it was forced to deal with it, so Iraqi civilians count too. Do you know what it's like having your son being crushed by a rock ?? I thought so... My grandpa and my uncle went to palestine to transfer some medicine to a refugee family, and when the CRUISE MISSLE hit a close by home, my uncle was crushed by the impact of the rock. And for what ?? There were no terrorists... The other day, a rocket blast in Pakistan killed 14 people... CIA confirmed that it was responsible, "due to belief of suspected terrorist # 2 al qaeda man"... No authorites from Pakistan were warned before hand... So then, what makes this legal ?? Whats the difference between this and 9/11 ?? Need a visual aid ? http://www.mykeru.com/bodycount.html#iraqi The coalition forces did an amazing job in Afghanistan... Now women there can get an education, drive, they don't have to wear hijab, they can vote... Amen to that. But, why Iraq? Papabryant, you seem to tell me that even though Iraq is unjust, I need to support it becuase of 9/11? You cannot reason with them: You're not Muslim, they won't listen to you. You cannot appease them so they will leave you alone: either you will be a Muslim or you will die. If a country invaded the US, would you want them to convert Christian, or would you fight for what your forefathers fought for you. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
fullauto Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Who the fuck is trying to convert Iraqis? We want them to get jobs... support themsleves... secure their own country, and adopt ANY form ov government that will stave off anyone from taking power that would USE GAS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE TO ENSURE HIS/HER OWN POWER ! ! Who gives a shit what fucking made up god he prays to?! Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
Hamza123 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Who the fuck is trying to convert Iraqis? We want them to get jobs... support themsleves... secure their own country, and adopt ANY form ov government that will stave off anyone from taking power that would USE GAS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE TO ENSURE HIS/HER OWN POWER ! ! Who gives a shit what fucking made up god he prays to?! Amen to that! I like joo... Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Jhony5 Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 A controlled demolition doesn Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
papabryant Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Hey chill there buddy, I am not denying it was a terrorist attack, I wanted to hear your opinion on the buildings... Not Islam... You simply deny the fact that the lead cause of civilian death are the occupying forces, with no evidence... Wrong, the evidence is the repeated attacks by Iraqi Baathists/Taliban and foreign insurgents. If they weren't there, we wouldn't be either. Quid pro quo. What gets me so upset when I read things like this is this notion that we went into Iraq with no provocation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The 911 Commission report ties al-Qaeda to Saddam in several areas. It is documented that, far from finding no WMD's we found enough Sarin gas to kill 250,000 people, and reference strains of Bioterror weapons in the hands of the guy who could make the weapons. There is also evidence that the WMD's everyone was looking for were sent to Iran and Syria. This stuff gets mentioned on the back pages of the newspaper once then forgotten in a blare of "NO WMD'S!!! BUSH LIED KIDS DIED!!!" blathering. Even before countries invaded Iraq... I never heard of a car bombing? Never a suicide bombing? Then you never heard stories out of Israel? Or the story of the U.S.S. Cole? Or the first attempt to blow up the Twin Towers? Or Beiruit? We were the U.N. peacekeepers there, and all we have are dead Marines to show for it. SO you're telling me that because I think this war is mis-led that I don't feel for any of the dead innocent people ?? Hardly. What I think is your compassion for the innocent (a noble thing) has blinded you to other conciderations just as important. Just as you have photos, I can show you a few photos of what we stopped by invading Iraq: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Saddam-Chmical-Victims-03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Saddam-Chmical-Victims-03.php&h=344&w=500&sz=21&tbnid=YIUCzuEPKHyoOM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=127&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSaddam%2Bvictims%2B%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://massgraves.info/4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://massgraves.info/p1.htm&h=199&w=300&sz=22&tbnid=bO379JW3oYagKM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=111&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSaddam%2Bvictims%2B%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff In the mass graves they found evidence of: Medical experimentation Beatings Crucifixion Hammering nails into the fingers and hands Amputating the penis or breasts with an electric carving knife Spraying insecticides into a victim’s eyes Branding with a hot iron Committing rape while the victim’s spouse is forced to watch Pouring boiling water into a rectum Nailing the tongue to a wooden board Extracting teeth with pliers Using bees and scorpions to sting naked children in front of their parents I've seen video tape of Saddam himself taking a parents infant child away giving it to the crew of a helicopter, which flew up several hundred feet and threw the baby out! It was the most horrifying thing I have EVER seen, to watch the parents forced to witness their baby coming apart on impact. Three quarters of all civilian deaths were caused by Cruise/Tamohawk Missles... I know what the soldiers deal with, and there will be civlian casualties... But it seems that you totally ignore even the obvious of evidence... Like that video with the civilians just walking, and boom... Are they not worth your time ?? Your next few paragraphs give you your own answer to this question, which is what I think you have been blinded to. It also makes it clear and very understandable why this happened. Iraq never wanted in this war, and it was forced to deal with it, so Iraqi civilians count too. Do you know what it's like having your son being crushed by a rock ?? I thought so... My grandpa and my uncle went to palestine to transfer some medicine to a refugee family, and when the CRUISE MISSLE hit a close by home, my uncle was crushed by the impact of the rock. And for what ?? There were no terrorists... The other day, a rocket blast in Pakistan killed 14 people... CIA confirmed that it was responsible, "due to belief of suspected terrorist # 2 al qaeda man"... Before I say anything else, I am very sorry for your loss. What strikes me reading this is how very simular your loss and mine really are. Both your uncle and my cousin died trying to help their fellow man, and the blame for their deaths rightfully belongs to the bad guys. Those who fired the cruise missile that killed your uncle, and the ones that fired the missile that killed the people in Pakistan were trying to stop the same people who killed my cousin. That isn't any easier to say than it is to hear. But the difficulty in hearing it doesn't change the fact that these people who fired those missiles thought they had the bad guys in their sites. They weren't aiming for the innocent, but for the guilty, and the fact they were so tragically wrong doesn't lessen the pain one bit. But it does highlight the difference between us and them; when this happens we admit we've done wrong, we feel remorse, and recriminate ourselves and try to make sure it doen't happen again. The bad guys don't. In their eyes, your uncle and those 14 civilians and my cousin all got what they deserve. No remorse, and no mercy for those loved ones who survive. What makes it legal is the same thing that makes it tragic. Because if it weren't for the bad guys doing even worse, it wouldn't have happened at all. Again, I am sorry for your loss. May God be with you and yours. Peace, Tom Quote A Christian with a Bible is a nuisance to your comfortable level of non-belief. And a Christian with a brain cannot be as easily dismissed as you might be accustomed to. But a Christian with both is a dangerous thing.
Hamza123 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Hey chill there buddy, I am not denying it was a terrorist attack, I wanted to hear your opinion on the buildings... Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Jhony5 Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 What fucking opinion on the buildings???? Whats to understand? Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Hamza123 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Wrong, the evidence is the repeated attacks by Iraqi Baathists/Taliban and foreign insurgents. If they weren't there, we wouldn't be either. Quid pro quo. What gets me so upset when I read things like this is this notion that we went into Iraq with no provocation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The 911 Commission report ties al-Qaeda to Saddam in several areas. It is documented that, far from finding no WMD's we found enough Sarin gas to kill 250,000 people, and reference strains of Bioterror weapons in the hands of the guy who could make the weapons. There is also evidence that the WMD's everyone was looking for were sent to Iran and Syria. This stuff gets mentioned on the back pages of the newspaper once then forgotten in a blare of "NO WMD'S!!! BUSH LIED KIDS DIED!!!" blathering. Then you never heard stories out of Israel? Or the story of the U.S.S. Cole? Or the first attempt to blow up the Twin Towers? Or Beiruit? We were the U.N. peacekeepers there, and all we have are dead Marines to show for it. Hardly. What I think is your compassion for the innocent (a noble thing) has blinded you to other conciderations just as important. Just as you have photos, I can show you a few photos of what we stopped by invading Iraq: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Saddam-Chmical-Victims-03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Saddam-Chmical-Victims-03.php&h=344&w=500&sz=21&tbnid=YIUCzuEPKHyoOM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=127&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSaddam%2Bvictims%2B%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://massgraves.info/4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://massgraves.info/p1.htm&h=199&w=300&sz=22&tbnid=bO379JW3oYagKM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=111&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSaddam%2Bvictims%2B%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff In the mass graves they found evidence of: Medical experimentation Beatings Crucifixion Hammering nails into the fingers and hands Amputating the penis or breasts with an electric carving knife Spraying insecticides into a victim’s eyes Branding with a hot iron Committing rape while the victim’s spouse is forced to watch Pouring boiling water into a rectum Nailing the tongue to a wooden board Extracting teeth with pliers Using bees and scorpions to sting naked children in front of their parents I've seen video tape of Saddam himself taking a parents infant child away giving it to the crew of a helicopter, which flew up several hundred feet and threw the baby out! It was the most horrifying thing I have EVER seen, to watch the parents forced to witness their baby coming apart on impact. Your next few paragraphs give you your own answer to this question, which is what I think you have been blinded to. It also makes it clear and very understandable why this happened. Before I say anything else, I am very sorry for your loss. What strikes me reading this is how very simular your loss and mine really are. Both your uncle and my cousin died trying to help their fellow man, and the blame for their deaths rightfully belongs to the bad guys. Those who fired the cruise missile that killed your uncle, and the ones that fired the missile that killed the people in Pakistan were trying to stop the same people who killed my cousin. That isn't any easier to say than it is to hear. But the difficulty in hearing it doesn't change the fact that these people who fired those missiles thought they had the bad guys in their sites. They weren't aiming for the innocent, but for the guilty, and the fact they were so tragically wrong doesn't lessen the pain one bit. But it does highlight the difference between us and them; when this happens we admit we've done wrong, we feel remorse, and recriminate ourselves and try to make sure it doen't happen again. The bad guys don't. In their eyes, your uncle and those 14 civilians and my cousin all got what they deserve. No remorse, and no mercy for those loved ones who survive. What makes it legal is the same thing that makes it tragic. Because if it weren't for the bad guys doing even worse, it wouldn't have happened at all. Again, I am sorry for your loss. May God be with you and yours. Peace, Tom You serve a good point... You shouldn't be sorry... It's not you who has fired the cruise missle. I don't like to judge people in groups. Again, I am sorry for your loss. May God be with you and yours. You're right you know. What your cousin did was the same as what my uncle did just in difference of the action taken. The fact that both people were trying to save lives for the good of there fellow man is most loyal, and respectable. You should be proud of your cousin. God is! I don't liKe Bush not because of the fact that he is in Iraq... But the fact that it could have been handled differently and thats just my opinion... If he ever said anything good it would have to be... "...When victory comes and democracy takes hold in Iraq, it will serve as a model for freedom in the broader Middle East. History has shown that free nations are peaceful nations. And by helping Iraqis build a lasting democracy, we spread the hope of liberty across a troubled region, we will gain new allies in the cause of freedom. By spreading democracy and freedom, we're laying the foundation of peace for generations to come." -- President George W. Bush January 10, 2006 Ken, sorry I'm too lazy to explain to you... I have a summative to work on. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
wardmd Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Tell you what... Get somebody who believes that the World Trade Center should have survived the crash of a 767 (becauase it was designed to withstand the crash of a fairly [statistically] similar 707) to build an EXACT DUPLICATE and fly a 707 into it (THEN we'll see if it really COULD have survived the impact and fire generated by the 23,000 gallons of fuel in the 707)... Since you're so sure it would survive, perhaps we should fill the building with all the captured "insurgents" (they should have nothing to worry about, right?). You see, the World Trade Center towers were SUPPOSED to be able to withstand the impact of a 707, but had it ever been TESTED? NO! WHY are you so willing to ACCEPT with 100% certainty that the towers WOULD have withstood the impact (and fire) of a 707, but REJECT the finding of the SAME DESIGNER that the towers DID collapse because of the resultant fires from the two planes? They were RIGHT before, but WRONG now? Quote I refuse to engage in a battle of wit because I am an unarmed man.
snafu Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 What I find funny about any mention of an implosion relating to the towers collapse is an implosion requires an EXPLOSION. When the towers fell their was no explosion whatsoever. Just a collapse. I'm sure an audible 'boom' would be let out from an explosion strong enough to collapse a building of that size. I cant believe i'm even argueing this insanely retarded claim. But hey, people love soap operas. Every major event that has occured in Americas modern history, requires that their be a conspiracy attached. It sells books. J.F.K. was shot by a nutjob hiding in a book depository. Man did indeed walk on the moon. The space shuttle blew up from an egrigious lack of smarts. And yes fucktard muslims crashed airplanes into buildings in what was, in my opinion, an incredibly simple minded attack that even me and my stoner freinds could have coordinated. Yes I agree on this one! Some Camel jockeys got a hold of some good shit and said " Thwwittt wow man. We can steel a few planes and boom! Right into a building". Thwwwitt Ya man that sounds good man Thwitt Allah be great man! Shit I was one joint way from figuring out what they where thinkin:cool: Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
Hamza123 Posted January 16, 2006 Author Posted January 16, 2006 Tell you what... Get somebody who believes that the World Trade Center should have survived the crash of a 767 (becauase it was designed to withstand the crash of a fairly [statistically] similar 707) to build an EXACT DUPLICATE and fly a 707 into it (THEN we'll see if it really COULD have survived the impact and fire generated by the 23,000 gallons of fuel in the 707)... Since you're so sure it would survive, perhaps we should fill the building with all the captured "insurgents" (they should have nothing to worry about, right?). You see, the World Trade Center towers were SUPPOSED to be able to withstand the impact of a 707, but had it ever been TESTED? NO! WHY are you so willing to ACCEPT with 100% certainty that the towers WOULD have withstood the impact (and fire) of a 707, but REJECT the finding of the SAME DESIGNER that the towers DID collapse because of the resultant fires from the two planes? They were RIGHT before, but WRONG now? Please, I don't want to start name calling... Clearly you didn't read what I said... Hey chill there buddy, I am not denying it was a terrorist attack, I wanted to hear your opinion on the buildings... I don't believe it was staged by the gov... I believe it was attack by idiots from the homes lands of my religion - Islam... These were Mis-Guided Muslims, none the less, I found the attacks horrific. The fact that I started this thread, was to see what you thoughts were regarding the "Urban" investigation going on for 9/11... Like snafu said, I do believe it's for money as they ask for donations almost everywhere... Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Hamza123 Posted January 16, 2006 Author Posted January 16, 2006 Interesting read... http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/26/wtc.finalist.ap/ Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
Jhony5 Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Interesting read... http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/26/wtc.finalist.ap/ How very "American". Lets bounce back from one of the worst tragedies to occur on our soil by building the biggest building in the world. Ya, that'll show 'em. Maybe they can paint a fucking target on the damn thing while their at it. Might as well since we still allow foreigners to strut across our borders illegaly with no reprecusion. That land would have better served as a memorial if they had pushed all the rubble into a mound and placed a $10 cross on top of it. Their is no excuse for pagentry and regalia in this matter. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
tiredofwhiners Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Not only did you have a hot jet fuel fire that was burning a entire floor at once. But then you have the pancaking effect of the floors above the fire falling when the beams start to give. Had the fire and damage only been on one side instead of the whole floor evenly you would have had a differant out come. Quote AA's for quitters...i'm no quitter!
papabryant Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 I believe it was attack by idiots from the homes lands of my religion - Islam... These were Mis-Guided Muslims, none the less, I found the attacks horrific... Let me ask a question if I could. Within Christianity there is the idea that a person who professes to be a Christian but A.) doesn't live by the precepts of the faith; and B.) doesn't show remorse for their actions (thus proving it isn't an unintentional transgression) -- is said to be a "false" Christian. The best historical example is Adolph Hitler. Does Islam have a simular concept? I've read the Qur'an twice, and numerous commentaries, and don't see anything like this concept In Islamic theology. (It would explain why there has been little in the way of protest over terrorism.) Quote A Christian with a Bible is a nuisance to your comfortable level of non-belief. And a Christian with a brain cannot be as easily dismissed as you might be accustomed to. But a Christian with both is a dangerous thing.
Hamza123 Posted January 16, 2006 Author Posted January 16, 2006 Let me ask a question if I could. Within Christianity there is the idea that a person who professes to be a Christian but A.) doesn't live by the precepts of the faith; and B.) doesn't show remorse for their actions (thus proving it isn't an unintentional transgression) -- is said to be a "false" Christian. The best historical example is Adolph Hitler. Does Islam have a simular concept? I've read the Qur'an twice, and numerous commentaries, and don't see anything like this concept In Islamic theology. (It would explain why there has been little in the way of protest over terrorism.) I keep it short and sweet.... I deal with my own Islam. All I need to do is pray in my house, avoid ham, and alcohal, and live life, provide for my family and thats it... The best example would prolly be that Iranian President... I just can't see why they'd elect such idiots... They know they're not going to benefit from it. We need a revolution. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990.
fullauto Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 I keep it short and sweet.... I deal with my own Islam. All I need to do is pray in my house, avoid ham, and alcohal, and live life, provide for my family and thats it... Horus Christ! If all muslims were just doing that, we wouldn't be in all this shit! Preach on Hamza BTW: That strain of thought is EXACTLY what 98% of ALL americans feel about their religion... They prey to god (or other) and just try to avoid harm, harming others, and keep thier famillies safe! All this shit about Xtian Zionism is BULL FUCKING SHIT ! ! Truth be told, we could care less about what your people are doing over there... cutting off fingers, heads, mesoginy... All second rate incidents... But when our economic interests are attacked, we take it VERY personally... enough to attack and occupy Iraq just to keep our oil safe, and have a staging point for much larger war in the future, if it comes to that... The truth is, our governmetn is scared shitless of Jihad... Because for the past 50 or so years, our country has been taken over by fucking liberals with no more ambition to fight than they have right to claim that our run away budget is a conservative problem... Remember what Kruschev said when asked how he plans to take over the US by 1974... "By then, Americans will be TOO LIBERAL to fight!" And he's fucking RIGHT! I should know... His son is a Professor at Brown University (5 mins from my house), and in 2002, he gave a speach warning of what his father was saying and the fact that it has come true... Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
fullauto Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 How very "American". Lets bounce back from one of the worst tragedies to occur on our soil by building the biggest building in the world. Ya, that'll show 'em. Maybe they can paint a fucking target on the damn thing while their at it. Might as well since we still allow foreigners to strut across our borders illegaly with no reprecusion. That land would have better served as a memorial if they had pushed all the rubble into a mound and placed a $10 cross on top of it. Their is no excuse for pagentry and regalia in this matter. FUCK THAT! We should built it bigger and better... this country is not about feeling sorry for ourselves... it's about bouncing back and doing it right! If they attack us again, we will rebuild it, and maybe, just maybe we will smarten up this time and go 'jack-boot' on these fucking ******s leave them to wallow in their own filth for 1000 years instead of proping up their economy so they can afford to attack us more... It's not about pagentry... It's about pride! Something this country, and most western nations have none of anymore! God! When is enough enough?! How long are we gonna tolerate the intolerable?! Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
jaxmagicman Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/david.ray.griffin.controlled.demolitions.wmv http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/discussion_in_firehouse.wmv http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.demolition.discovery.wmv http://www.reopen911.org/ad_vote.php?id=3 http://www.reopen911.org/ad_vote.php?id=5 http://www.reopen911.org/ad_vote.php?id=2 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shake.html I am curious to hear all your thoughts on this... I have seen so much BS from the gouvernment that I don't like to believe them anymore, yet I don't want to believe that something this horrid could ever be pulled off by the gouvernment... I think you are a fucking idiot for believing this. You really should get out more. 1 Quote
ImWithStupid Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 I think you are a fucking idiot for believing this. You really should get out more. We really don't care what Hamza believes. He lives in Canada and after we invade them, they will be part of the USA in the next 15 years anyway. JK:rolleyes: Quote
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