R U Ready???

[Jhony5]

Not to stir up a paranoid rant and buy into the hype, but i'm curious how many of you out there have actualy put any thought towards what your actions will be if your area is effected by a terrorist attack? Most people I talk to outside of my circle have this attitude that either it won't happen so why worry, or that they would have some agency or governing body to turn to for assitance. When I express my opinion and my plan of action most seem to think i'm a card carrying militia member and steeped in paranoia.

 

Personaly I follow the spirit of the constitutional passages which inform all Americans that it is not just thier right, but their DUTY to hold and bear arms as a means of staving off either a corrupt government or foreign threat. All those whom do not are considered by me as non-participants in the defense of our way of life and our society as a whole. Weak little trained rats whom get in the way of progress, rather then show the way. Its called 'power of the people'. Think about it like this. Theres 20 people being held hostage by an armed gunman in the back of a bank. 19 of them are ardent detracters of gun ownership. 1 of them has a .357 in his coat pocket. The other 19 feel weak and powerless against their capture, the one with the gun waits for the right moment to act. 19 people in this room have NO power here, 1 does. Now take this analogy and translate it to a national scope and use the setting of a society that has been struck down, leaving the citizens to fend for themselves. Are you one of the 19 people in the bank, or the one with power.

As much as many don't like the thought, power is attained through force, or capability of force. We all learned this on the playground when the bullies scanned their school mates for the weak.

[phreakwars]

The only way a terrorist attack in Nebraska will affect anyone, is if they blow up the football stadium in Lincoln.

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[Jhony5]

The only way a terrorist attack in Nebraska will affect anyone, is if they blow up the football stadium in Lincoln.

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Well I wasn't speaking of only a terrorist attack. Rather any event that causes a shut down of your society. All it would take to cause the feeble minded masses to go stir crazy is a long lasting massive power outage. Some of you might have to use your imagination on this one, but just imagine if there was no police to call. Or no stores to shop at. Or no gas to fuel your vehicle. As sad as it is, when Americans are deprived of these sorts of things, chaos ensues. People take for granted that this will not happen, but it will.

 

 

....Although you do live in Nebraska.............

[fullauto]

I live in a very Jew rich part of RI, namely the East Side of Providence... While I doubt that there would ever be a major attack on this community, I do feel for these people... We have many ivy league schools around here that seems to be importing arabs at bargain basement sale rates and during the summer, you can almost feel the tension in the air.... Kinda sad really....

[RoyalOrleans]

I live in a high Baptist, Methodist, and Presbyterian area. Our united love of Jesus will repel any attack... violent and verbal.

[Jhony5]

I live in a high Baptist, Methodist, and Presbyterian area. Our united love of Jesus will repel any attack... violent and verbal.

 

I live in a very Jew rich part of RI, namely the East Side of Providence... While I doubt that there would ever be a major attack on this community

 

The only way a terrorist attack in Nebraska will affect anyone, is if they blow up the football stadium in Lincoln.

 

So I'll take it that I'm the only one who isn't going to be fucked when the shit goes down. Why is it that everyone thinks their immune to a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or otherwise? You have to do more then look outside your door step and peek around at your ideal surroundings.

 

In regards to a terrorist attack, I'm betting the next one will strike away from the "big city". Psychologically it would be a greater blow to the American peoples psyche to witness an attack in Backwater, South Dakota then in New York.

[ImWithStupid]

So I'll take it that I'm the only one who isn't going to be fucked when the shit goes down. Why is it that everyone thinks their immune to a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or otherwise? You have to do more then look outside your door step and peek around at your ideal surroundings.

 

In regards to a terrorist attack, I'm betting the next one will strike away from the "big city". Psychologically it would be a greater blow to the American peoples psyche to witness an attack in Backwater, South Dakota then in New York.

 

I agree that just because a terrorist attack doesn't happen near you doesn't mean that he effects can't get there. Depending on the type of attack, the affects could be dire not only nationally but internationally.

 

Now I don't agree that an attack in the middle of BFE will be a bigger psychological blow. Most of the population of the US is coastal or at least near a border. There are many people who have been polled and have no Idea where Nebraska is for sure. I was on a trip once and was talking to someone in JFK airport in New York. They were acting like they knew where I was talking about when I told them where I was from but then they asked me if we "surf" in Nebraska. WTF, the nearest body of water that you could surf in is 800 miles away.

 

I think most of the people wouldn't even care. The only big impact terrorist attack that could happen in Nebraska, barring an attack on the beef/agriculture aspect of the state is if they attacked Omaha during the College World Series. This has many teams and thousands of fans from all over the US in one small area. In my opinion, that would be the most likely target of high probablility in this area.

[Jhony5]

I wasn't speaking about the "body count" of a terror attack. I was trying to imply that the psychological effect of an attack in a small town, even with a relatively small fatality rate, would put a stop to this "I live in Nebraska so I'm not worried" attitude that so many have. People really do feel as if they aren't at risk because they don't live in NY or LA. I suppose terrorist aren't smart enough to understand that though, but if they were to, then they would strike a mighty blow. Does no one agree with me on this? Terrorism has never been about winning a war on the front lines. It's a psychological tactic employed by cowards.

 

Say for example tomorrow a bomb explodes outside of the Empire State building killing 50 people. I would be shocked but not surprised in the least. However if a bomb exploded outside of a bus depot in Topeka, Kansas killing only 5 people, I would be freaking shocked beyond reason, as I think we all would.

[ImWithStupid]

I wasn't speaking about the "body count" of a terror attack. I was trying to imply that the psychological effect of an attack in a small town, even with a relatively small fatality rate, would put a stop to this "I live in Nebraska so I'm not worried" attitude that so many have. People really do feel as if they aren't at risk because they don't live in NY or LA. I suppose terrorist aren't smart enough to understand that though, but if they were to, then they would strike a mighty blow. Does no one agree with me on this? Terrorism has never been about winning a war on the front lines. It's a psychological tactic employed by cowards.

 

I didn't say anything about a body count. I said that the majority of the population doesn't know where BFE Nebraska or South Dakota is let alone what happens here, whether it's a cornhusking contest or a terrorist attack.

 

My reference to the CWS was dealing with the fact that there are many people here, from all over the country and that is about the only way most of the people in the US would care is if it affected someone close to home.

 

As far as the "I live in Nebraska so I'm not worried" comment. I never said that and in fact I said that.

 

I agree that just because a terrorist attack doesn't happen near you doesn't mean that he effects can't get there. Depending on the type of attack, the affects could be dire not only nationally but internationally.

 

I just don't agree with this "psychological effect" of an attack in middle America would produce on the majority of the population. Had you "read" my post you would have realized that like most people who read it probably did.

 

You seem to like to put your own words in people's mouths when replying to posts.

[Jhony5]

You seem to like to put your own words in people's mouths when replying to posts.

 

I wasn't writing that response for your benefit alone brother, so sorry if thats the way you understood it.

 

I said that the majority of the population doesn't know where BFE Nebraska or South Dakota is let alone what happens here, whether it's a cornhusking contest or a terrorist attack.

 

The same could be said about Oklahoma as far as finding on a map. That didn't stop the media from shoving that event down the throats of viewers. I have a sneaky suspicion that if a terrorist attack occurred anywhere in the states, then you would here plenty about it.

 

My reference to the CWS was dealing with the fact that there are many people here, from all over the country and that is about the only way most of the people in the US would care is if it affected someone close to home.

 

Which was my point exactly. People don't worry much about it BECAUSE they don't perceive any real threat if they live outside a major metropolitan area. If an attack occurred in Backwater, USA, then psychology 101 tells us it would force us to view the threat more realistically.

 

Originally Posted by ImWithStupid

I agree that just because a terrorist attack doesn't happen near you doesn't mean that he effects can't get there. Depending on the type of attack, the affects could be dire not only nationally but internationally.

 

A chemical or nuclear attack would definitely have consequences to us all, and not just psychological. Obviously the prime placement for an attack of this nature would be on the west coast, due to the west to east wind that would carry fallout to its full potential.

 

I just don't agree with this "psychological effect" of an attack in middle America would produce on the majority of the population.

 

Why not? Please explain in full. We all know that the attack in NY on 9-11 had a great psychological effect, so why can't you see the "inescapable" feeling that a small town attack would create? It seems like basic psychology to me.

[ImWithStupid]

Why not? Please explain in full. We all know that the attack in NY on 9-11 had a great psychological effect, so why can't you see the "inescapable" feeling that a small town attack would create? It seems like basic psychology to me.

 

I think the psychological effect of 9/11 dealt with the massive loss of life and the destruction of an American symbol (WTC).

 

An attack on Mt. Rushmore or such, yes it would have an effect or an attack on the CWS in Omaha would do so for large loss of life plus it would affect families throughout the US.

 

One of the big appeals of the Oklahoma City Bombing was the loss of life and it really took off when they found out it was a home grown terrorist.

 

You notice that once this was found out, there wasn't any change to the search for international terrorist in the US even though there had been a convention in Oklahoma City prior to that involving Islamic Extremist preaching against the evils of the US.

 

An attack on a mid western town just wouldn't have that much of an impact.

[Jhony5]

I think the psychological effect of 9/11 dealt with the massive loss of life and the destruction of an American symbol (WTC).

 

I think it had more to do with the fact that it was carried live on TV. I never really viewed the WTC as anything special. Hell I never even thought about the building before the first attack on it, then I quickly forgot.

 

You notice that once this was found out, there wasn't any change to the search for international terrorist in the US even though there had been a convention in Oklahoma City prior to that involving Islamic Extremist preaching against the evils of the US.

 

A great point IWS. How could that not have rattled our cage so to speak?

 

An attack on a mid western town just wouldn't have that much of an impact.

 

Lets just agree to disagree on that one.

[ImWithStupid]

Jhony5,

 

It seems that since Builder hasn't been around you are gonna be the one the I have these discussions with where we finally realize we're kinda on the same page but it takes us a while to figure it out.

[Jhony5]

Whatever happened to that aussie boy? I used to enjoy going in circles with him.

[ImWithStupid]

Whatever happened to that aussie boy? I used to enjoy going in circles with him.

 

I don't know but he was the one who was always bitching about the chatroom being gone and when it comes back he goes AWOL.

 

I guess Aussies are like women. Bitch about not having something and then when they get it they aren't interested anymore. Never happy.

[phreakwars]

He'll be back, has things happening the next couple weeks or so, I thought he left about a post about it somewhere.. may have just been in the shoutbox... but anyways...

 

We had discussed this once on our local board, not TERRORISM per say, but the impact of disaster in our community. For example the N.O. hurricane.

 

My feelings were, and still are, that our community as a whole would NOT be in such a panic and so quick to turn into selfish bastards in desperate need. I believe our community would look out for each other, even if we were all affected in some way.

 

I will also agree that we don't feel too worried about such things because we ARE a smaller unheard of type place. Lets face it, were no New York City, nor are we a New Orleans. Hell even if the whole damn town was wiped out for some reason, not many would notice... want me to prove it ??

 

How many towns in the midwest do you know of that are basically no longer there because they were wiped off the map by a tornado in, lets say the last 5 years ?? I can name one in Iowa and one in Nebraska... The average American has no fucking clue about this even happening, and the media coverage it gets, is pretty much LOCAL only... Look how many lives were affected ??

 

The only one as of recent I can ever recall going national, was the one up in Indiana where you are Jhony, even then, the news faded fast to be replaced with something else more entertaining and with better "SHOCK VALUE" to the news media outlets.

 

If a terrorist planted a bomb in say Rogers Nebraska and wiped out half the town, it wouldn't be as big of news or cause as much of a panic as someone who terrorized a bigger city.

 

Odds are, if your gonna be a terrorist, you doing things to make a statement, and if it was me, I wouldn't make my statement in a little Nebraska town.

 

Everybody knows this , and for that reason we feel safer, plus with us being in a smaller community, EVERYBODY is our fellow neighbor instead of just those in a precinct, and that's how we treat each other. Not like many of the bigger populated states and towns, mass hysteria is not an issue.

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[Lethalfind]

I believe its because Builder had to move and it would take some time to get whatever company that he has his computer hook up through out to set him up again...

[Jhony5]

Very well put, Phreak. I guess I feel the way I do because I personally don't think like most city folk. To me, personally, I would feel more threatened by a terror attack if it occurred in a small town because it defies the conventional wisdom. As if to say "Nobody is safe".

 

Everybody knows this , and for that reason we feel safer

 

Which is exactly why I feel it would be quite a statement to walk outside the box, speaking of the terrorist. If an attack occurred in Nebraska, then it would effect the psyche of the people in Topeka, Kansas. They would be confronted with the understanding that maybe they are not as safe as they thought.

 

How many towns in the Midwest do you know of that are basically no longer there because they were wiped off the map by a tornado

 

A tornado is not a sensational event. Its essentially wind. Wind is not "newsworthy" for more then 1 day or so even in catastrophic proportions. A terrorist event in any location WILL draw huge media coverage. School shootings are always vastly covered by the media. School shootings are always in backwater towns. The last one I remember took place on an indian reservation in Nowheresville, Minnesota and it got plenty of coverage. Either I'm wrong or y'all aren't thinking outside the box here. Maybe we'll be afforded the opportunity to find out some day.

[Rockhard]

We can thank what ever diety we pray to that the terrorist are stupid.Instead of blowing up buildings blow every bridge on the mississippi. That would be a wake up call Joe average when the supplies stopped comming in he would effected on either side of the river. I believe in the second amendment. Keep them oiled and cleaned with plenty of ammo on hand. The community I live in has a population of about 30. with only one that believes in gun control.

[Lethalfind]

back just after 9-11 I worked for the company that managed the mental health benefits for Disney World. We were told that the government had told Disney they that should be on alert because the government felt a strike might occur at the parks. Imagine how big a mess that would be, how many children would be killed, what a high profile target...

I have always thought if they start up again, this area would get something awful.