Cogito Ergo Sum Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Speed of light...hmmm. http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html#1 Very interesting... I especially like the argument that because the Bible names Emperor Tiberius, this somehow validates it as a historically accurate document. That's a hell of a leap in logic if ever there was one. Other documents which do the same thing come to mind... Upanishads Bagavad Gita Koran Torah Theravada - Tathagata (I especially enjoy the "Questions of King Menander", which records conversations between a Greek ruler of northwestern India in the second century B.C. and a Buddhist sage who converted him. I especially like where the sage explains some of the consequences of karma. Good stuff.) Could they all possibly be true historical documents? According to your logic they could. If I type out a copy of Gulliver's travels, and includ a reference to George Bush, will that make it a historically accurate document in 2,000 years? Then again, I've always enjoyed translations of the Mahabharata from India. It only predates the Bible by a mere 3,000+ years (around the 32nd century B.C.), it is the single most significant human writing ever, the longest epic poem ever written. It is 7 times LONGER than the Iliad & the Odyssey COMBINED and over 4 times the size of the Bible. Just an easy reading 2.5 million words. It records war, greed, history, and cunning as well sublime and timeless wisdom... i.e. "This is the sum of all...- righteousness - In causing pleasure or in giving pain, In doing good or injury to others...A man obtains a proper rule of action by looking at his neighbor as himself." Sound familiar? It should. Almost every stroy and ethical concept presented in the bible, can be found within it's pages (in it's original context, not the plagerized version of The Apostles) I love Wikipedia's quote: " The Mahabharata's scope and grandeur is best summarized by one quotation from the beginning of its first parva (section): "What is found here, may be found elsewhere. What is not found here, will not be found elsewhere." " It's true...You learn something new everyday... Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
quarky Posted January 24, 2006 Author Posted January 24, 2006 I have also read part of the Mahabharata, but I do not class it as a religious book, to me its lessons on life and asks questions of humanity. I aslo like the art of war by SUN TZU http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html which is without doubt one of the greatest works written. Back to the theory of the quarks, here is a link for you to look at http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/quarks.html http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html#1 Quote
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 I have also read part of the Mahabharata, but I do not class it as a religious book, to me its lessons on life and asks questions of humanity. I aslo like the art of war by SUN TZU http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html which is without doubt one of the greatest works written. Back to the theory of the quarks, here is a link for you to look at http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/quarks.html http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html#1 Read carefully my friend. I said... " ...it is the single most significant human writing ever, the longest epic poem ever written." The point I was trying to demonstrate is that there are many writings which contain historically accurate information intermingled with the narrative. Claiming the Bible is a historical document based upon the mention of Tiberius is a HUGE fucking leap of dumb logic. Psst... Hey kid, I'm on your side! Work with me here... Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
quarky Posted January 24, 2006 Author Posted January 24, 2006 Please don't get my wrong I agree with what you've said Cogito Ergo Sum. I also agree the the Mahabharata one of the greatest works written and yes alot of the bible has been taken from its pages. I didn't know wikipedia has some info on it. As to how the bible mentioning Tiberius is a huge leap of dumb logic in proving the factual nature of the bible, I agree. In fact when ever there is a new find, some new proof of the events in the bible happening, it proves to be a hoax, you have to wonder why they need proof if they know they're right? Or maybe when they are sitting in church listening to there local parasite tell them what to think, how to live, blackmailing them into being so called good and moral, perhaps, just perhaps in the back of there minds, they know its all crap, but just don't want to accept the truth. Quote
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 I especially like the argument that because the Bible names Emperor Tiberius, this somehow validates it as a historically accurate document. That's a hell of a leap in logic if ever there was one. CES, Although I do believe that the bible is historically correct, I certainly did NOT use this to prove that! (please read what I said)... I was referring to quarky's statement "But there is no proof than anything in the bible(s) happened." I simply showed that certainly one thing is provable (and many more BTW) ... I am simply tired of his/her statements of facts and misinformation. If your going to jump all over me about that, then why don't say something about quarky's leap that WWI was started by catholic / protestant struggle! You know me, CES, I highly disapprove of baseless crap. BTW, the link to the speed of light read was pretty cool. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 CES, ...You know me, CES, I highly disapprove of baseless crap... ...Although I do believe that the bible is historically correct... ...BTW, the link to the speed of light read was pretty cool.... Okie dokie! Glad you liked it, but to me, the first two statements are incongruant with each other, but hey, I support your right to your religious beliefs so long as you keep them out of our tax funded schools, our government, and our courts. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Okie dokie! Glad you liked it, but to me, the first two statements are incongruant with each other, but hey, I support your right to your religious beliefs so long as you keep them out of our tax funded schools, our government, and our courts. Damn, CES... The first "statement" is in fact a statement. The second "statement" is not! Nor do I try to defend it! Damn dude, did you wake up yet this morning? Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 Damn, CES... The first "statement" is in fact a statement. The second "statement" is not! Nor do I try to defend it! Damn dude, did you wake up yet this morning? Well, my eyes are open, cup of coffee in my hand, but I haven't wanked off this morning yet, so no, I'm probably not awake yet. Hey bro, it is your PERSONAL BELIEF. You don't need to defend it. It's not an issue with me. I just made a casual observation. That's all. Plus, I have more juicy stuff I've shot at you here today in other forums. Get cracking you pot smoking conservative dirtbag! Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
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