Army at it's breaking point ??

[phreakwars]

Even as the Pentagon claims that the military is making great strides against the insurgency in Iraq, there are growing signs that U.S. forces may be near the breaking point. Some 600 top officials of industry, academia and the military are huddling in the capital this week to figure out how

Read on: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1153175,00.html

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[hopeUslide]

I fear America will crash and burn on Iraq. The lack of support, the open criticism, and an unseen enemy will take their toll. America never got over Viet Nam. Somewhere along the line, between Viet Nam and Iraq, America should have had a victory. A moral victory, that would have instilled confidence in the American people. The volunteer army of today, will only fight to the death, with support and a total understanding of the cause.

[hopeUslide]

I will add this,

 

Wikipedia: force multiplier-a military term referring to a factor that dramatically increases (hence multiplies) the combat-effectiveness of a given military force.

 

In Iraq an IED explodes,

An American soldier dies,

But that blast will grow as the media blow

It up before our eyes.

And trumpet to the watching world,

These fifth column falsifiers,

Like sheep they bleat we face defeat,

Our foe’s force multipliers.

 

Osama and his minions know,

In combat they can’t beat us;

So they hope and pray will come a day,

Our own media will defeat us.

Ignoring all the good we’ve done,

Liberals focus on the gore,

On losses mounting and body counting,

To prove we’ve lost this war.

 

They disgraced us once in Vietnam,

So now these leftists feel,

That again they’ll win with media spin,

And make America kneel.

But defeatists aren’t the only ones,

Learned lessons from the past;

Back then we swore we’d lose no more,

This time we’re standing fast.

 

The Internet’s exposed them,

As elitist media liars;

They stand unclothed and widely loathed,

Our foe’s force multipliers.

Some day when all our troops return,

With Iraq on freedom’s path,

The liberal elite who sought defeat,

May face some Righteous wrath.

 

Russ Vaughn

2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment

101st Airborne Division

Vietnam 65-66

[builder]

What an absolute crock of shit, slider.

 

You like seeing your countrymen die so some suit can count his shareholdings?

 

Remember that we are now on the third excuse for invasion of Iraq. That would be the spreading of democracy. How has that one panned out?

 

Pretty fucking dismally, that's how.

 

Oh, so now we'll send another hundred thousand troops into Iran, and see if we can't finish what we've started.

 

In your dreams, motherfucker. In your dreams.

[hopeUslide]

One more shithole to go,Iran, then real peace! The young people over there want us and our ways. It is the old religeous bastards that spread hate and lies to keep their power. Kick ass, take names. War has a cleansing affect on society. Peace through war!

[builder]

One more shithole to go,Iran, then real peace! The young people over there want us and our ways. It is the old religeous bastards that spread hate and lies to keep their power. Kick ass, take names. War has a cleansing affect on society. Peace through war!

 

 

Reality check. Your military is already spread too thinly. Iraq has seen the uptake of new recruits decimated. Nobody wants to fight the neocon fascist war. That leaves only the possibility of nukes. Fat lot of good the ME will be when your criminal leaders okay that one.

 

Losers. Get your lazy arse down to the recruitment office.

[hopeUslide]

The US will not be alone on this one. All that is needed is a strike to cripple. They will be undone from inside. This is the last one. The palestinians are only a threat as long as Iran exists. Islamic extremists will cease to exist. Try and poke a hole in this, and see if you deny the writers logic.

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/publi...gonsnewmap.htm

[builder]

The link is dead, just like the push to control Iraq.

 

When your indomitable force can open the road from Bhagdad to the fucking airport, give me a call.

[neilsthepoet]

The Bad News View

 

Cnn and other reporters

Like them are complicit

 

In undermining our leadersip

Lowering troops moral

Devaluing missions accomplished

And all by acting like our pals

 

Because they really really care

Because this is a Democracy

And they are so brave to dare

To question Authority

 

Nobody says you don't evaluate

Or never ever criticize

But if that's all you do

Doesn't that turn it into lies

 

If you never question the question

If out and out distortions

Are presented without a challenge

Doesn't BS get the larger portion

 

Of the camera's eye and time

Soldiers are also our citizens

How about some positive

At least every now and then

 

 

 

 

The Major Three are also guilty

As far as I'm conerned

As if....if they were on our side

Their neutrality might get burned

 

Abc Nbc Cbs

Jennings Brokow and Rather

Doesn't it as some point it turn

Into some pretty deep blather

 

PBS and NPR have always been

Publically funded shows

But as lopsided as they are

I don't know how anyone knows

 

They swear that they aren't bias

That they have no leftist leanings

Hell they're not even honest about that

They're so busy primping and preening

 

A lot like those Hollyweired half-wits

Just not so crazy about it

Like if you can pronounce objectivity

How could we ever doubt it

 

 

 

 

Quagmire Quagmire Quagmire

No plan No plan No plan

Yawl take out a bunch of hornets

Let's see what you understand

 

Is every step choreographed

When you aim up that spray

When you carefully aim and shoot

Don't you sort of scoot and pray

 

You exfiltrate the area

But you come back around

That's what our men are doing

When they go back into towns

 

They're checking things out

They're making it better

They're making it safer

They're reading their letters

 

But oh how dare we question you

No dissent amongst the dissenters

Once you've committed to the Dean

Of Academia Nuts they're can be no repenters

 

They don't have another view

They just flat out hate the president

All they've got is oceons of emotions

And they don't want to hear an argument

 

That's logical anyway

They're patriotism is off the table

They will let you know that with their

Last breath as long as they are able

 

Even as they continue to manipulate

And hammer home more despair

Committ their sins of ommission

But they just do it because they care

 

Because we need our friends back

Good buddys like Germany and France

We don't need to stand tall

We need to learn to sway and prance

 

But I'll never forget or forgive

The terrorists that want to kill us

And they'll do it anyway they can

With planes trucks or a bus

 

 

 

 

Cnn and other reporters

Like them are complicit

 

In sabotaging our spirit to win

To fight back as we must

 

These people are mental seditionists

And not worthy of our trust

 

 

Neils

11:14 am

09/14/2003

 

transcribed this time

10:31 am

02/03/2006

 

N....again

[phreakwars]

Neil the San Antonio poet with no talent strikes again !!!

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[neilsthepoet]

And your example of poetic talent (that is living) would be?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neils

8:55 am

03/27/2007

[phreakwars]

Anything that WASN'T written by you.

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[neilsthepoet]

Besides dodge ball

 

 

Still got no example of what you're for

besides complaining?

 

 

 

 

 

Neils

9:16 am

03/31/2007

[snafu]

Army's doing fine if the fucking liberals would let them do thier job.

[neilsthepoet]

Too many fools rules of engagement

 

And Iran needs to find out exactly what a couple of carriers can do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neils

10:25 pm

03/31/2007

[Lethalfind]

Too many fools rules of engagement

 

And Iran needs to find out exactly what a couple of carriers can do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neils

10:25 pm

03/31/2007

 

 

Hey Neil, you dumb ass...have you not noticed that your posts are time and date stamped automatically??? Even if your posts SUCK???

[neilsthepoet]

Hey Neil, you dumb ass...have you not noticed that your posts are time and date stamped automatically??? Even if your posts SUCK???

 

 

 

Let me guess you probably don't even think your capitalizing "suck"

 

 

Says anything about you.

 

 

 

 

 

Neils

9:53 pm

04/01/2007

[Msixty]

Too many fools rules of engagement

 

And Iran needs to find out exactly what a couple of carriers can do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neils

10:25 pm

03/31/2007

 

I agree, but you don't put much heart into your post for calling yourself 'the poet'

 

Also, loose the damn time/date thing, it's pointless and annoying

[Lethalfind]

My capitalizing SUCK, is to indicate that if I were speaking to you...I would speak louder for that word...in order to bring additional attention to it...

 

What does your need to put the date and time on your posts mean...your disoriented??

[neilsthepoet]

I am not

 

I am not obsessive compulsive

I am not obsessive compulsive

I am not obsessive compulsive

I am not obsessive compulsive

 

 

 

 

Neils

8:05 pm

04/14/2007

[Deathbringer]

The U.S. army is built to do one thing well; kick ass. If all the insurgents and all our troops were lined up, there would be no contest. There have been a few equipment and funding problems, but the truth is that our fighters are way better geared and trained than theirs.

 

Unfortunately, they know guerrilla tactics well enough that all our toys are pretty ineffective. You need to know where the enemy is to fire cruise missiles at them, and even if you do know and the enemy happens to be in the middle of a crowded city, it won't do much good. Dead civilians and blasted mosques equals more fanatical recruits for them, as does leaks about torture. Our military tried bombing and aggressive interrogation anyway, and the car bombs have a mysterious never-ending supply of drivers...

 

Basically, we have already lost. At this point its just prolonging the agony until we are forced to withdraw due to lack of funds and public support.

[snafu]

The U.S. army is built to do one thing well; kick ass. If all the insurgents and all our troops were lined up, there would be no contest. There have been a few equipment and funding problems, but the truth is that our fighters are way better geared and trained than theirs.

 

Unfortunately, they know guerrilla tactics well enough that all our toys are pretty ineffective. You need to know where the enemy is to fire cruise missiles at them, and even if you do know and the enemy happens to be in the middle of a crowded city, it won't do much good. Dead civilians and blasted mosques equals more fanatical recruits for them, as does leaks about torture. Our military tried bombing and aggressive interrogation anyway, and the car bombs have a mysterious never-ending supply of drivers...

 

Basically, we have already lost. At this point its just prolonging the agony until we are forced to withdraw due to lack of funds and public support.

 

Good post.. Thanks

 

But our guys could kick ass every which way if we didn't have these bleeding heart liberals fucking things up. If we would just let them go it would've been over in a flash. But we do have to worry about killing inocent people. Because, well we gotta show by example. We do have more accurate missles that reduce collateral damage. And hopefully we will see them used more often. You do have the catch 22 where they cost more so the lib's will bitch about spending.

I wish we were more like Israel. When they get attacked they retaliate.

[Huskarine]

Mr. Deathbringer, you have the tunnelvision of thinking about our purpose in the middle east...listen, think about also the humanitarian efforts that have been going on....did you think about that??? Have you also considered what victory in Iraq would be??? a lot of people against the war have that tunnel vision that victory was presestined to be some ceremonial sword presentation on a ship like the days of yore...

[Deathbringer]

Mr. Deathbringer, you have the tunnelvision of thinking about our purpose in the middle east...listen, think about also the humanitarian efforts that have been going on....did you think about that??? Have you also considered what victory in Iraq would be??? a lot of people against the war have that tunnel vision that victory was presestined to be some ceremonial sword presentation on a ship like the days of yore...

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

 

Convince me that the number we have saved is larger than that. Convince me that the Sunnis and the Shiites are progressing towards putting down their racism and no longer shooting at eacheother, and that our military presence is even effecting their attitudes.

 

I am not in a tunnel by choice; I've already done my flaming for the day. Just, explain yourself to me.

[ToriAllen]

The U.S. army is built to do one thing well; kick ass. If all the insurgents and all our troops were lined up, there would be no contest. There have been a few equipment and funding problems, but the truth is that our fighters are way better geared and trained than theirs.

 

Unfortunately, they know guerrilla tactics well enough that all our toys are pretty ineffective. You need to know where the enemy is to fire cruise missiles at them, and even if you do know and the enemy happens to be in the middle of a crowded city, it won't do much good. Dead civilians and blasted mosques equals more fanatical recruits for them, as does leaks about torture. Our military tried bombing and aggressive interrogation anyway, and the car bombs have a mysterious never-ending supply of drivers...

 

Basically, we have already lost. At this point its just prolonging the agony until we are forced to withdraw due to lack of funds and public support.

I think our biggest problem is that we seem to be the only ones that are willing to follow the "rules of war". The rules don't really work well when the other side doesn't want to play fair. They have no regard for human life, be it man, woman, or child, but they know we do and they use it against us. I don't think we are fueling the terrorism with our more aggressive approaches, in fact, I don't think they would give a shit if we torture and kill six year olds. They act outraged in order to take advantage of our greatest weakness; the division we have amongst ourselves. I just don't buy that a terrorist organization that straps bombs on men, pregnant women, and in some cases children and sends them out in to the street to kill whoever happens to be around when it goes off, actually cares about us killing an innocent bystander. I'm also not buying the claim that a group of individuals who's idea of torture is cutting someone’s head off with a dull knife can be horrified and offended by any of our 'torture tactics', especially the 'humiliation torture'. I'm sure they find us quite entertaining and easily manipulated. If we had gone in there without the reservations and without the regard for innocent vs. enemy, this war would have been won by now. More terrorists are enlisting because they know we are fighting with one hand tied behind our backs, and as long as we do that, they have a chance of defeating us. I'm not advocating the killing of innocent people. I'm just saying the fact that we try so hard not to, is a great weakness when fighting against an enemy with contrary values.