Can I access WPYO if I have kid protection software installed ??

[Lethalfind]

My post is a two parter.

I am curious to know if this sight will come up for someone who has the so-called babysitting software on their computer.

I also have to follow up with that I have no personal experience with this type of software and am not sure how it works.

From talking with both Phreak and CES, I know they both have computer experience and have children. I would like some input on how these types of programs work and what is the best type to get. I know I can get this information off the internet but I prefer to know the person who is giving the advice.

For instance I know on my TV I can set the rating so that my daughter can only watch a certain level of programming, like general for instance. There are several levels available. Is this babysitting software like this or is it either kid friendly or not?

The arrival of LameFish on the scene made me think of this since CES showed us he was clearly using the computer at a public school. My assumption is that they have some kind of protection against him accessing the internet but obviously not enough.

Please share your experiences with this kind of software and any recommendations you might have.

My daughter is only 8 but I feel if she is going to be using the computer I should have this on there to protect here. At the moment she only uses it when I am here and I am within earshot. She stays on the same website and plays games but I could easily become distracted and loose track of what she is doing. I would feel better if there was something else to restrict what she was doing.

[phreakwars]

Though I haven't tried it, my guess would be NO.. Most of these types of software look for key terms (cursing, suggestive words) and block the user from going to the page, also, as far as I know GF is listed as an adult site, so the filters should block it with just that alone.

 

As for the school kids getting in, usually if the admin of the school isn't very weary about it, kids can get in, as of late, alot of schools block GF because of the content, but it does not keep you out if you know how to get around the proxy server a school is using. If the admin is monitoring traffic, then he would probably notice it anyway, and block the proxy.

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[Lethalfind]

Though I haven't tried it, my guess would be NO.. Most of these types of software look for key terms (cursing, suggestive words) and block the user from going to the page, also, as far as I know GF is listed as an adult site, so the filters should block it with just that alone.

 

As for the school kids getting in, usually if the admin of the school isn't very weary about it, kids can get in, as of late, alot of schools block GF because of the content, but it does not keep you out if you know how to get around the proxy server a school is using. If the admin is monitoring traffic, then he would probably notice it anyway, and block the proxy.

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What kind of software do you use at home for your kids. I know you have children but are they old enough to need this? Do you have any advice about what kind I should use for Diane?

[phreakwars]

Examine the most common choices, choose the one that is right for you: http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/

If I was gonna recommend one, it would be the one Disney®™ endorses.

 

http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/contentprotect-review.html

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[Lethalfind]

Examine the most common choices, choose the one that is right for you: http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/

If I was gonna recommend one, it would be the one Disney

[Jhony5]

Thanks alot for the information. I not only worry about Diane doing something that I have told her not too do but you hear more and more about the sickos who go to childrens chat rooms etc. to troll for children. Makes me sick.

 

Have you ever heard of this site?

http://pervertedjustice.com

 

I saw a story on this site on Dateline and it was sick to the bone what they deal with. Very very interesting and something every parent should check out before letting their kids wander the net.

 

I highly recommend y'all read through it. Even if you don't have kids. Its hilarious and sick at the same time.

[phreakwars]

Check out THIS sick fuck : http://www.perverted-justice.com/index.php?archive=atonomous2000

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Check out THIS sick fuck : http://www.perverted-justice.com/index.php?archive=atonomous2000

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That is one seriously fucked up ephebophile.

 

Did he get lumbered, phreak?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I don't really know that much about Child Protection Software. I don't believe in it and feel that it gives people a false sense of security.

 

Personally, I have my home computers on a very tight and secure network. I had to do a lot of research but finally learned how to tighten my network up. I don't allow inbound chat traffic to my kids computers. I do not allow anything from Yahoo, AOL, or any of those high traffic sites whatsoever. I also log every outbound and inbound traffic and scan them routinely to see where by kids are and what they are doing. 99% of the time, it's Disney Toontown, and EXCELLENT online game experience I highly recommend. Go Disney!

 

I also make a habit of randomly walking into their playspace in the basement to see what they are doing.

 

I've told them that I monitor it but I have not given them details as to how.

 

You should see my 9 year old sons eyes get HUGE when I say things like, "I noticed you were at stupidvideos.com yesterday. What were you looking at?" They know they can't hide anything so they don't try.

 

I want to teach them to make responsible choices and I feel, in my opinion, that I have to allow them to choose for themselves while I monitor from the shadows.

 

Although, I probably will investigate the Disney recommended one Phreak was talking about. Hey Phreak, which one was that?

[Lethalfind]

I don't really know that much about Child Protection Software. I don't believe in it and feel that it gives people a false sense of security.

 

Personally, I have my home computers on a very tight and secure network. I had to do a lot of research but finally learned how to tighten my network up. I don't allow inbound chat traffic to my kids computers. I do not allow anything from Yahoo, AOL, or any of those high traffic sites whatsoever. I also log every outbound and inbound traffic and scan them routinely to see where by kids are and what they are doing. 99% of the time, it's Disney Toontown, and EXCELLENT online game experience I highly recommend. Go Disney!

 

I also make a habit of randomly walking into their playspace in the basement to see what they are doing.

 

I've told them that I monitor it but I have not given them details as to how.

 

You should see my 9 year old sons eyes get HUGE when I say things like, "I noticed you were at stupidvideos.com yesterday. What were you looking at?" They know they can't hide anything so they don't try.

 

I want to teach them to make responsible choices and I feel, in my opinion, that I have to allow them to choose for themselves while I monitor from the shadows.

 

Although, I probably will investigate the Disney recommended one Phreak was talking about. Hey Phreak, which one was that?

 

I understand what your saying CES. At the moment Diane is happy to play on the Disney website. I walk in to see what she is doing as well if I hear the noise change. She has been wanting to only play a certain game on Disney or group of games. I would hate to miss something however. I don't see that Diane needs to be in a chat room at all. She has a phone with unlimited long distance. She can call all her friends and speak to them that way. There is no need for her to be in chat with people she doesn't know at all.

HOWEVER as she gets smarter I want to be prepared.

As you say I think people do get a false sense of security. Like LameFish being able to access this website from a school for gods sake. I have a friend who is a public school teacher and they have at least tried to make a secure network there. You can't email her attachments at all at her school for instance and they are supposed to have things blocked so that no one can access sights like this however there security is not good enough. If LameFish can access this sight then what else does he have access to at school, access to download and a younger child find??

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I understand what your saying CES. At the moment Diane is happy to play on the Disney website. I walk in to see what she is doing as well if I hear the noise change. She has been wanting to only play a certain game on Disney or group of games. I would hate to miss something however. I don't see that Diane needs to be in a chat room at all. She has a phone with unlimited long distance. She can call all her friends and speak to them that way. There is no need for her to be in chat with people she doesn't know at all.

HOWEVER as she gets smarter I want to be prepared.

As you say I think people do get a false sense of security. Like LameFish being able to access this website from a school for gods sake. I have a friend who is a public school teacher and they have at least tried to make a secure network there. You can't email her attachments at all at her school for instance and they are supposed to have things blocked so that no one can access sights like this however there security is not good enough. If LameFish can access this sight then what else does he have access to at school, access to download and a younger child find??

 

Yes, I agree with you. It's very scary. For me, the only real answer is my logging feature, which records EVERY piece of information in or out of my kids computer.

 

Chat rooms are just bad news which is why I don't allow anything like that. Most of that crap is AOL, Yahoo, etc. which I don't allow anyway.

 

Good Luck! You're a Good, responsible, Mommy! My two thumbs up!

[phreakwars]

I don't filter my son's viewing habits either. He just turned 7 and I now let him have admin access to the PC, and his MAME cabinet also runs XP, and he uses that to surf sometimes too. Since he has hyperlexia, I want him to have all the world experience he can soak into his head, so I'll let him surf to whatever he wants to see. Usually he just looks for video games or view VB coding sites. I don't worry about online predators, because shawn does not like to talk to people anyway, he always closes the message boxes that might pop up, and does not chat. I even let him surf GF, the only thing he does is hang out in the arcade and play games.

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[jokersarewild]

And if you guys are super worried about it, take the cable for the internet (phone line or CAT5/CAT6 cable) so that anytime they want to get on the internet, you know they are on. Or just take it away period. I am 16 and have access to my computer but not the internet.

 

The reason is that my parents know I will probably look up porn. Does this stop me? No, because I have gained access to our Mac that has internet access, so I still can, when they are gone, get to the internet. But the fact that I don't have it in my room stops alot of the internet stuff I would do...don't chat anyway, because if you go to yahoo chat, it looks something like this..."Wanna sex me up the @$$? PM me" so there is no point in doing it.

 

Anyway, my point is that if you are so damn worried don't let them access it unless you:

 

A. Have the security thing that CES has going on.

 

B. Are in the same room with your child.

[Lethalfind]

And if you guys are super worried about it, take the cable for the internet (phone line or CAT5/CAT6 cable) so that anytime they want to get on the internet, you know they are on. Or just take it away period. I am 16 and have access to my computer but not the internet.

 

The reason is that my parents know I will probably look up porn. Does this stop me? No, because I have gained access to our Mac that has internet access, so I still can, when they are gone, get to the internet. But the fact that I don't have it in my room stops alot of the internet stuff I would do...don't chat anyway, because if you go to yahoo chat, it looks something like this..."Wanna sex me up the @$$? PM me" so there is no point in doing it.

 

Anyway, my point is that if you are so damn worried don't let them access it unless you:

 

A. Have the security thing that CES has going on.

 

B. Are in the same room with your child.

 

Nothing like firsthand advice...Your absolutely right.

As she gets older she will no doubt work my last nerve on this issue so let the games begin now.

[snafu]

I think it depends on the program. A lot of them have the filters but you can allow certain web sites in. Do you want your daughter to read this shit here?

 

I know this was wrong but I bought a program call Jasooz. It keylogs everything on your computer and on chat lines. This runs in the background and can't be detected by the user. I had it installed for my daughter when she was a teenager. I wished I hadn't. We learned about shit she was doing that I didn't want to know. Boyfriends and partying. It was funny one time. My wife was out of town because her grandmother died. I was working nights. So of course being a teen ager she decided to have a party at my house. I came home on lunch and caught her. The next day she wrote to a friend that at least I didn't find the Vodka. She would wonder how we figured out things she was doing but we never told her how we found out. I know this was invasion of privacy by it's my house, computer and she was a teen.

[Lethalfind]

I think it depends on the program. A lot of them have the filters but you can allow certain web sites in. Do you want your daughter to read this shit here?

 

I know this was wrong but I bought a program call Jasooz. It keylogs everything on your computer and on chat lines. This runs in the background and can't be detected by the user. I had it installed for my daughter when she was a teenager. I wished I hadn't. We learned about shit she was doing that I didn't want to know. Boyfriends and partying. It was funny one time. My wife was out of town because her grandmother died. I was working nights. So of course being a teen ager she decided to have a party at my house. I came home on lunch and caught her. The next day she wrote to a friend that at least I didn't find the Vodka. She would wonder how we figured out things she was doing but we never told her how we found out. I know this was invasion of privacy by it's my house, computer and she was a teen.

 

Dude don't apologize. You do what you have to do these days. Its something like this that might save her life. That sounds melodramatic but with the things that are going on now, you never know.

Thats exactly the kind of thing I will no doubt have to do.

My child, my responsibility...its that simple.

[TheJenn88]

I was at school one day (hah, more like 5 days/week) and it was afterschool and I was talking to a teacher. Somehow the topic of monitoring kids and their behaviour online, or with their friends, whatever, came up. Something he said sticks in my mind. He said that parents who have to resort to spying have obviously done something wrong. He thinks that parents should trust their kids, and if they raised them right, his kids wouldn't have so much to hide. He understands that as his kids get older and in their late teens, they are going to be able to understand their decisions, and want to keep things from him.

 

I can understand parents wanting to know what their kids are up to, but I also agree with my (math) teacher that a lot of the reason's parents don't know what's going on in their kids lives is because they can't open up to their parents.

 

But I mean that to a certain extent. I.e. I was at my friend's house one night, and we drank a bit. earlier in the day, we happened to wander into a stag shop. Did I tell my parents? Hell yea. Why? Because I wasn't doing as something to rebel against them, or with someone I didn't know, or in a bad part of town. Did I expect them to get mad at me? No. I know they understand that at a certain point, be it legal or not, kids are going to make decisions their parents don't like, even if they're doing it safely.

 

Now, did I tell my parents that I got smashed new years eve and got it on with girls AND guys? Hell naw But I don't think I'd have a problem telling them, even knowing they'd get angry.

 

I think the more a person feels like they have something to hide, the more likely they're going to end up doing something that can hurt themself. That's why I think it's crucial to have an open and honest relationship with your parents and kids.

[TheJenn88]

Also, a little anecdote.

 

When I was in grade 9, and the summer between grade 9 and 10, I had what you'd call an online stalker. I haven't the faintest clue how he first met me, but he was 19ish. In the military, plays rugby at a fairly high level, very computer savvy, etc. Anyways, he was constantly talking to me, asking me to go out with him, saying he wanted to have sex with me as a birthday present. This went on for about a month and a half (mid-may to the end of june). During that time he also met one of my bestfriend's through MSN. He said to my bestfriend that he'd hurt me and my friend if my friend didn't leave us alone. And continued threatening me, etc.

 

As well, this guy would park his car in front of my house and just..sit there. He'd call me all the time, the whole lot.

 

Now, here's the kicker.

 

I signed up for summer school in advanced english. He signed up for a class on the same floor to be a teacher-assistant. During his breaks he'd stand outside my classroom door just looking in. At my lunch hour he'd sit a few tables away and just "read a book" and constantly peer over at myself and my friends. When I'd walk in the hallways, he'd peek around corners.

 

At one point, he just totally stopped. I have..no idea why. But he did, and I haven't heard from him since summerschool ended between grades 9 and 10.

 

And no, I was not foolish enough to give him my phone number OR address, OR the school I was taking summer school at. I have no idea how he got that information. All I knew was that I didn't want to meet him, I didn't want to date him, though he proclaimed his love for me. I didn't want to give him blowjobs, or have sex with him, blah blah blah. Bah, he's a weird guy.

[phreakwars]

That is the funny thing about stalkers, they get this impression that women/girls think with the mindset that "Oh I really need a big juicy cock right about now" It's a fucking delusional fantasy. look at almost any given case, the fuckers do the same fucking thing basically.... assume some young girl (or boy) wants to have sex.

 

It goes right along the lines, of why I feel kids (teens) should not only date just people their age, they should also only associate with people online that are their age. Notice I did not say they could not associate with older people PERIOD... I only said older people online.

 

The reason I say this, is because you can't really send off a vibe of your intentions on the internet, which makes stalking/predators harder to spot.

 

But on the flip side... people like to play these little games with each other, I don't exactly call it having cyber sex with a person, but I will refer to it as talking shit with each other....hmm.. reminds me of something evil I did to my brother once... but I'll save that for another post some other day... but anyways... It usually is the standard norm when meeting someone on the internet, or having someone message you, that you will talk trash, or the other might talk trash... and you play along out of boredom ... you see, this is the kind of shit that need to stop. And I am not talking about the kids doing it. I'm referring to adults, who should be acting like adults, over just being bored and trying to find someone to talk trash with in a sexual manner. Jesus, is life really that fucking dull, that people would spend their time talking shit to someone else online who is only doing the same fucking thing ??

 

Ex:

JohnQ: "So yeah your pretty hot" (TRANSLATION: I'm bored)

StacyX: "Yeah, I'm laying down on my bed with just my bra and panties typing on a laptop" (TRANSLATION: I'm a guy, at my keyboard, eating fritos and salsa, my fingers are greasy, and I'm bored too)

 

And the cyber shit talk commences..

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[snafu]

Yes well the Internet has brought in a new error of stalking and permiscus sex with total strangers good or bad.

Lethfind if you want to try Jasooz here's were you can find it on download.com

http://www.download.com/Jasooz-Computer-Monitoring-Software/3000-2132_4-10106153.html

 

I think this would work better than say Net Nany (which I've tried also and have a copy somewhere) so you can get into your daughter's head. she what she's thinking about. That is IF you are prepared to learn this that is.

It didn't work to well when I had it. Sometimes we would only get one side of the converstation so I hope they fixed it up.

If you want I can send you my copy and S/N number. I don't care I don't use it any more. Like I say the newer versions are probalbly going to be better though. This way she can be chating and you don't have to confront her unless your worried it's a stalker. My daughter was a little older and I really didin't want to know about her sex life(her first boy). But I was able to chase a few away:D

 

A little chating on my own part if you know what I mean.

[Lethalfind]

I was at school one day (hah, more like 5 days/week) and it was afterschool and I was talking to a teacher. Somehow the topic of monitoring kids and their behaviour online, or with their friends, whatever, came up. Something he said sticks in my mind. He said that parents who have to resort to spying have obviously done something wrong. He thinks that parents should trust their kids, and if they raised them right, his kids wouldn't have so much to hide. He understands that as his kids get older and in their late teens, they are going to be able to understand their decisions, and want to keep things from him.

 

I can understand parents wanting to know what their kids are up to, but I also agree with my (math) teacher that a lot of the reason's parents don't know what's going on in their kids lives is because they can't open up to their parents.

 

But I mean that to a certain extent. I.e. I was at my friend's house one night, and we drank a bit. earlier in the day, we happened to wander into a stag shop. Did I tell my parents? Hell yea. Why? Because I wasn't doing as something to rebel against them, or with someone I didn't know, or in a bad part of town. Did I expect them to get mad at me? No. I know they understand that at a certain point, be it legal or not, kids are going to make decisions their parents don't like, even if they're doing it safely.

 

Now, did I tell my parents that I got smashed new years eve and got it on with girls AND guys? Hell naw But I don't think I'd have a problem telling them, even knowing they'd get angry.

 

I think the more a person feels like they have something to hide, the more likely they're going to end up doing something that can hurt themself. That's why I think it's crucial to have an open and honest relationship with your parents and kids.

 

I have a number of people that your math teacher should call and voice this opinion to...The parents of the 15 year old that was shot too death at Milwee Middle school here in Florida when he decided to paint a BB gun to look like a real gun, take it too school, kidnap a classmate and ultimately commit suicide by cop...Lets not forget the parents of the student of the same school who only days later called in a bomb threat to the local Sheriffs office...And just in case we have forgotten Columbine High School in Colorado, where some apparently normal (according to the parents) students brought weapons to school and blew away a bunch of their classmates...I'm sure these parents would agree with your math teacher that closing your eyes and hoping all goes well is the best course of action, except in two of the three cases I mentioned their kids are dead...

Either your teacher was blowing smoke up your ass or he is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to breed.

[Lethalfind]

Also, a little anecdote.

 

When I was in grade 9, and the summer between grade 9 and 10, I had what you'd call an online stalker. I haven't the faintest clue how he first met me, but he was 19ish. In the military, plays rugby at a fairly high level, very computer savvy, etc. Anyways, he was constantly talking to me, asking me to go out with him, saying he wanted to have sex with me as a birthday present. This went on for about a month and a half (mid-may to the end of june). During that time he also met one of my bestfriend's through MSN. He said to my bestfriend that he'd hurt me and my friend if my friend didn't leave us alone. And continued threatening me, etc.

 

As well, this guy would park his car in front of my house and just..sit there. He'd call me all the time, the whole lot.

 

Now, here's the kicker.

 

I signed up for summer school in advanced english. He signed up for a class on the same floor to be a teacher-assistant. During his breaks he'd stand outside my classroom door just looking in. At my lunch hour he'd sit a few tables away and just "read a book" and constantly peer over at myself and my friends. When I'd walk in the hallways, he'd peek around corners.

 

At one point, he just totally stopped. I have..no idea why. But he did, and I haven't heard from him since summerschool ended between grades 9 and 10.

 

And no, I was not foolish enough to give him my phone number OR address, OR the school I was taking summer school at. I have no idea how he got that information. All I knew was that I didn't want to meet him, I didn't want to date him, though he proclaimed his love for me. I didn't want to give him blowjobs, or have sex with him, blah blah blah. Bah, he's a weird guy.

 

What I don't understand is that you relate a story of your conversation with your math teacher who says parents should trust their children...then you tell a story that points out that if you had the proper software this stalker would never have had a chance to get near you...You do understand that this person could have done almost anything too you?? There have been identical stories where the girl is found dead and partially decomposed. If you think this is melodramatic of me remember this, our children are completely vulnerable to forces they don't understand and people they can't fight...if parents are unaware of what their doing, who is there to help them? When a child is taken, its normally a search for the body of that child, the DEAD CHILD. I will be hyper vigilant if need be, I will sit up night after night worrying but I will do whatever I have to, to see that my child is not one of those the police have to look for her body.

[TheJenn88]

I have a number of people that your math teacher should call and voice this opinion to...The parents of the 15 year old that was shot too death at Milwee Middle school here in Florida when he decided to paint a BB gun to look like a real gun, take it too school, kidnap a classmate and ultimately commit suicide by cop...Lets not forget the parents of the student of the same school who only days later called in a bomb threat to the local Sheriffs office...And just in case we have forgotten Columbine High School in Colorado, where some apparently normal (according to the parents) students brought weapons to school and blew away a bunch of their classmates...I'm sure these parents would agree with your math teacher that closing your eyes and hoping all goes well is the best course of action, except in two of the three cases I mentioned their kids are dead...

Either your teacher was blowing smoke up your ass or he is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to breed.

 

Well, I don't think he quite meant that kids should be free to do whatEVER they want. But he thinks that with a certain level of correct parenting, kids will less likely intentionally expose themselves to things they shouldn't, and that they'll be more open with their parents, thus them being able to be trusted more.

 

And he's one of the most amazing adults I've ever met. I respect him

[TheJenn88]

What I don't understand is that you relate a story of your conversation with your math teacher who says parents should trust their children...then you tell a story that points out that if you had the proper software this stalker would never have had a chance to get near you...You do understand that this person could have done almost anything too you?? There have been identical stories where the girl is found dead and partially decomposed. If you think this is melodramatic of me remember this, our children are completely vulnerable to forces they don't understand and people they can't fight...if parents are unaware of what their doing, who is there to help them? When a child is taken, its normally a search for the body of that child, the DEAD CHILD. I will be hyper vigilant if need be, I will sit up night after night worrying but I will do whatever I have to, to see that my child is not one of those the police have to look for her body.

 

I understand what you mean in this case. I'm not denying the purposes that this software could serve. But what I don't like is that this software doesn't discriminate. It logs ALL parts of a person's private life, not just ones that may involve a pedophile. I have a problem with that. I don't want people I don't trust knowing my life inside out that I trust my bestfriends enough with.

 

Simply put, if I trusted my parents, I wouldn't care what the hell they knew, or what software they installed. but I don't, and that isn't any fault of mine.

 

As I said earlier, something goes wrong in parenting when there are certain things that some kids can't tell their parents (and yes, some kids are just emo and lock up everything).

 

But of course, I'm as idiotic as my teaching for agreeing with him.

[RoyalOrleans]

Jenn, Jenny, Jennifer... you're such a sweet kid.