Just how is it you quit smoking?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

There is nothing more misaligned in America than the so called concept of "Freedom".

 

Everybody eagerly pounds their chests and proclaims that it is the cornerstone of American civilization.

 

Next moment, they are rallying for laws to tell other people how to live their lives. What they can put into their bodies, how they can use their own bodies, who they can love, the list goes on and on.

 

It is the ultimate display of HYPOCRISY.

 

Why should you care what another person smokes, eats, drinks, screws (I'm talking adult/consentual here - don't twist it), decides to put into their body, etc.

 

It doesn't concern you. Shut the fuck up!

 

America - Birthplace of the nosy Busybodies.

[OmegaManiac]

The most effective method that I have observed(100% success rate) is to replace the cigarette with a shotgun slug. Works every time.

[lilcutie8900]

smoking is very hard to quit. my dad started smoking at the age of 14 and he has tried to quit but hasnt succeded.

[OmegaManiac]

smoking is very hard to quit. my dad started smoking at the age of 14 and he has tried to quit but hasnt succeded.

 

 

does daddy have a gun?

[ImWithStupid]

does daddy have a gun?

 

I'll let him borrow mine as long as I get it back when the cops are done with the investigaton.

[scout]

The most effective method that I have observed(100% success rate) is to replace the cigarette with a shotgun slug. Works every time.

I have a gun I could use, if you could just come over and see what is in the very end of the barrel.......

[OmegaManiac]

I have a gun I could use, if you could just come over and see what is in the very end of the barrel.......

 

 

bugs bunny's finger?

[OmegaManiac]

If a person REALLY wants to quit then they will. If they kinda want to quit then guess what, they probably will not. Simple.

[Tex]

Omega recently started a thread about how we might reduce world population levels.

 

With this in mind, the fact that I'm a smoker makes me feel as though I'm finally contributing something to society. Not only that, but I'm far more pro-active than many so-called do-gooders, as I will be taking a few people with me through secondary smoke.

 

And please don't say this is a selfish attitude, it's not as though I'm asking them to chip in for their share of the nicotine and tar I purchased with my hard earned benefits.

 

I feel that the fact their taxes have been supporting my lazy ass for the last twenty years is more than enough reason to include them in my new vocation.

[OmegaManiac]

Omega recently started a thread about how we might reduce world population levels.

 

With this in mind, the fact that I'm a smoker makes me feel as though I'm finally contributing something to society. Not only that, but I'm far more pro-active than many so-called do-gooders, as I will be taking a few people with me through secondary smoke.

 

And please don't say this is a selfish attitude, it's not as though I'm asking them to chip in for their share of the nicotine and tar I purchased with my hard earned benefits.

 

I feel that the fact their taxes have been supporting my lazy ass for the last twenty years is more than enough reason to include them in my new vocation.

Ladies and gentitals we are truelly blessed to have among us such a selfless and generous team player as Tex. Take a bow and light another one.

[lilcutie8900]

omega why arent you answering me. are you mad at me?

[OmegaManiac]

omega why arent you answering me. are you mad at me?

Hey spanky, ya been lookin in the wrong place.

[jokersarewild]

I am honestly proud to say that I have never smoked. In reading this though, I do have a couple questions:

 

If you have such great willpower, why did you start smoking in the first place?

 

Why exactly do you have to do drugs to be on the rollercoaster? I mean seriously Tex. Why the fuck does one have to do drugs in order to have a good life? I have a pretty fun time NOT DOING ANY DRUGS! No, Tex, those who haven't succumed to drugs are the ones on the rollercoaster, man. And besides, it'll be pretty hard to laugh at us from the top when you are wheezing...

[Tex]

I am honestly proud to say that I have never smoked. In reading this though, I do have a couple questions:

 

If you have such great willpower, why did you start smoking in the first place?

 

Why exactly do you have to do drugs to be on the rollercoaster? I mean seriously Tex. Why the fuck does one have to do drugs in order to have a good life? I have a pretty fun time NOT DOING ANY DRUGS! No, Tex, those who haven't succumed to drugs are the ones on the rollercoaster, man. And besides, it'll be pretty hard to laugh at us from the top when you are wheezing...

 

Mate, I was using a metaphor, and in a light hearted way at that.

 

The point I was trying to make is that people should do what they want to do in life, as long as they get the most fun out of it in the end.

 

Everyone has a different idea of what their own 'rollercoater' is. Got no problem with people who don't smoke, do drugs, or even don't eat meat. I just don't like it when they preach at me that what I do is wrong.

 

If people are so worried about losing half an hour a day off their life cos of smoking, go to bed half an hour earlier then you won't miss it.

[slip_knot]

There are two reasons to give up.

1/ I want to save money

2/I am worried about my health

 

If you try to give up because you want to save money, you will probably fail. I did. You are not properly motivated. So the desire continues. Ultimately you will go and buy another pack to end the craving.

 

Give up because you know you need to because of your health. Educate yourself about the harm smoking does. Google up :emphysemia, bronchitis etc. Prove the causal nature of smoking to yourself. Google up : lung cancer pictures/photos. Print these horrible pictures, and put them on your wall, in the car passenger seat, and at your workplace. Put some on the bathroom wall,and the bedroom wall.

 

Do not worry about upsetting others, they will be more upset if you develop cancer and die. Besides, it is only for a while. During this period it is also better to avoid alcohol, as it lowers inhibition, besides the pictures will not be on the wall in the bar for you to be reminded.

 

Relate to the victims of these deaths. They were ordinary people like you and I.

 

You will not want another cigarette. Just take another peek at what this nasty poison is capable of.

 

In addition think about the example you are setting to minors.

 

Good Luck.

 

I know you will succeed, because what I have done, you can do.

[sixes]

I took the gum for a week ,after that I started useing regular gum. Now I have to chew gum all the time ,but the really hot gum like bigred seems to help the most cause it burns my mouth.

[bleedingheartnot]

someone should post a thread ''why quit smoking'' us smokers have rights too and we have to shiver in doorways or banned if lucking to an airless room to have a puff or two. smokkers stand up for your rights, i say there is enough of out there to start a revolution. love smoking, the only reason i wake up is for a smoker or 10 and a coffee or litre....

[jokersarewild]

someone should post a thread ''why quit smoking'' us smokers have rights too and we have to shiver in doorways or banned if lucking to an airless room to have a puff or two. smokkers stand up for your rights, i say there is enough of out there to start a revolution. love smoking, the only reason i wake up is for a smoker or 10 and a coffee or litre....

 

I say you guys (smokers) should run a mile or so to show us! We don't respect your "rights" enough...RIGHTS??? What the fuck are you talking about? If you go someplace and the owner of the place says "Smoke outside, dickface", then you had best do it. You have the right not to go there.

[Lethalfind]

someone should post a thread ''why quit smoking'' us smokers have rights too and we have to shiver in doorways or banned if lucking to an airless room to have a puff or two. smokkers stand up for your rights, i say there is enough of out there to start a revolution. love smoking, the only reason i wake up is for a smoker or 10 and a coffee or litre....

 

I personally don't care if you smoke, please feel free, you just can't infect my airspace with it...If you die early, why would I care? If you stink like an ash trey, again why would I care...but I can tell you, you won't take me with you. I have a right to breath clean air.

 

Christopher Reeves wife recently succumbed to lung cancer, she never smoked in her life, doctors say second hand smoke was a factor...all because some selfish bastard had to smoke around this woman. They had a child now who has NO parents. He had to watch his Father waste away after that riding accident and finally die and then he had to watch his Mother waste away from lung cancer...NICE!!

[hugo]

I personally don't care if you smoke, please feel free, you just can't infect my airspace with it...If you die early, why would I care? If you stink like an ash trey, again why would I care...but I can tell you, you won't take me with you. I have a right to breath clean air.

 

Christopher Reeves wife recently succumbed to lung cancer, she never smoked in her life, doctors say second hand smoke was a factor...all because some selfish bastard had to smoke around this woman. They had a child now who has NO parents. He had to watch his Father waste away after that riding accident and finally die and then he had to watch his Mother waste away from lung cancer...NICE!!

 

How did the doctors know second hand smoke was a factor?

[Lethalfind]

How did the doctors know second hand smoke was a factor?

 

I'm not sure, there have been studies they cited about women who didn't ever smoke who ended up with lung cancer...they did say she had never smoked in her life but had been around people who did. There was some statistic about women dying of lung cancer when never having smoked that was pretty HUGE considering I think most people assume that lung cancer is a smokers disease.

 

Its not like this woman ever worked in a factory where she breathed in fumes or some other damaging environment either. The article outlined her career, she was an actress, hardly high risk for lung cancer in itself.

[Lethalfind]

Why lung cancer is a growing risk for women

 

NBC's Robert Bazell comments on Dana Reeve's death

 

•Dana Reeve, a Nonsmoker, Dies of Lung Cancer at 44 Dana Reeve, 44, the widow of actor Christopher Reeve, died here last night, seven months after she announced that she had developed lung cancer.

 

 

 

MSNBC

Updated: 7:50 p.m. ET March 7, 2006

 

NEW YORK - The death of singer-actress Dana Reeve, the widow of actor Christopher Reeve, of lung cancer underscores the risks faced by women, even those who don't smoke.

While annual cancer deaths are declining in the United States, lung cancer remains stubbornly lethal, claiming over 158,000 American lives in 2004, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

Lung cancer is seen as a disease of older, male smokers, but, at 44, Reeve was at least 20 years younger than the typical victim. In fact, lung cancer is becoming a big problem for women, experts say. NBC chief science correspondent Robert Bazell discusses lung cancer's risks for women and non-smokers.

Q. Cigarette smoking causes most lung cancer, but experts estimate that 10 percent of cases happen to people who have never smoked, especially women. From what we understand Dana Reeve didn’t smoke. Is lung cancer different in women?

A. In men, 90 percent who get lung cancer are smokers or former smokers and in women, it’s 80 percent.

What’s interesting about lung cancer is there has been increasing research in recent years that cigarette smoke affects men and women differently, both in terms of how easily they get it from smoking and the severity of the disease. No one knows how to account for those differences. There have been several studies on things like brain [susceptibility to] nicotine and there are definitely different patterns in men and women. But it hasn’t been put together in some synthesis of understanding. There are clearly differences in the brains of men and women and there are differences in the response to cigarette smoking.

getCSS("3053751") Deaths by specific cancers

Here is a look at the most common cancers and the deaths they caused in 2003.

— Lung: Men, 89,964; Women, 68,122

— Colon, rectum: Men, 28,007; Women, 27,951

— Breast: Men, 380; Women, 41,620

— Prostate: Men, 29,554

 

Source: National Center for Health Statistics

 

 

Smoking among men really shot up in the 1970s and 1980s and then leveled off and has really gone down in response to smoking campaigns. Women’s smoking rates have not gone down as much and neither have the lung cancer rates. The numbers of men and women who are getting lung cancer are getting very close.

Q. We hear about the risks of second-hand smoke. Is that a possibility?

A. Even when we have a situation like Dana Reeve where she didn’t smoke, the question is how much could have been second-hand smoke. She apparently one time worked as a singer in clubs where she was exposed to a lot of second-hand smoke. That may have been a factor, you never really know. You’ll never know for an individual case whether it was second-hand smoke or some genetic abnormality this person had.

 

Interactive

Understanding lung cancer

 

 

 

Q. Does lung cancer run in families?

A. There are genetic cases where people are predisposed to lung cancer and don’t need to be exposed to cigarette smoke at all. Those cases are a small percentage of lung cancer.

Q. Dana Reeve was reportedly asymptomatic. People often get diagnosed even before they have symptoms. Does early diagnosis make a difference?

A. Lung cancer is usually diagnosed at a point where it’s far too late. The death rate from lung cancer is very high. In 2003, 91,000 men were diagnosed and 88,000 died. For women, 80,000 diagnosed and 68,000 died. Those are very high numbers for any cancer.

There’s the whole argument whether the fast CT scan should be given to people—especially if they’re at risk because they were smokers or maybe there is lung cancer in the family—and whether that’s going to save lives. There’s a huge study under way to determine that. [A CT scan, also called a spiral or helical CT scan, is a special X-ray that detects lung abnormalities and tumors at a very early stage. Some doctors argue that "false positives" from the test can lead to unnecessary biopsies and potentially risky surgeries.]

It's the argument you have with any cancer test — you find a lot of stuff and you cut it out, but does it really make any difference in the death rate?

[scout]

I say you guys (smokers) should run a mile or so to show us! We don't respect your "rights" enough...RIGHTS??? What the fuck are you talking about? If you go someplace and the owner of the place says "Smoke outside, dickface", then you had best do it. You have the right not to go there.

 

I have to agree with you on this point. I have never cared for an overly smokey room and I've smoked for 30 some years. I'm in total disbleif when someone blows their smoke in someones face. So I have no problem with shivering outside if I have to have a smoke. If I don't want to shiver I don't smoke. I do have a problem with places that say you can't smoke any where on the grounds. That is just spitefull.

[tiredofwhiners]

I like going to the big airports where they have the smoking room. All these people stuffed in this glass room, like going to the zoo, and this thick smoke haze you can barely see the back. Then some poor smokers kid clinging to the glass gasping for air, because there parent "cares" to much to let them outside the glass, because someone might take them. Here's an idea quit being so selfish.

 

If your at a restaurant or bar and you have to blow smoke my way, then i should be able to piss by you table.

[scout]

How did the doctors know second hand smoke was a factor?

 

By now you all know I have emphysema. This question is one I have asked many times since I went from chronic bronchitis to now. But of course, my question was about first hand smoke. I've seen many Dr's.. Took three of them before someone handed me an albuterol inhaler. The others ran me through the alphabet of anti biotics cuz I told them I had always had sinus problems and yes I did smoke. The Dr. that gave me the inhaler suddenly wasn't taking anymore patients. The next one asked me within minutes of walking in the room if I smoked, I said yes, he literally threw his arms in the air and disgustedly said there is nothing I can do for you and started to the door. I came unglued and ripped him six ways to Sunday. Scared him, I guess. Cuz after I stood out front of his building having an asthma attack, I called back to see if I could get an inhaler, they informed me that I was on a list of people they wouldn't see. That went on for bout 4 years. Finally saved up enough money to go to an specialist and found out I was in the advanced stages of emphysema - he wanted to know the same day if I wanted him to fix my rocacea (sp). Even when I told Dr's. that my father had emphysema, I worked for 9 years with detenatous earth and a bevy of chemicals, and several factory jobs, they laid my emphysema down to smoking alone. It's pretty frustrating.

Don't get me wrong I know smoking has helped the emphysema along but I don't think these other things should be so decidedly dismissed.

Second hand smoke can not be good for anyone but I can't help to wonder how many conclusions are being jumped to.......

 

(Was this a debate - argement or statement?)