Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 11:55 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <Q62ai.28573$JQ3.11...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-0706071642500001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <7j2mj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:11:10 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > >> >> Again, you are just making excuses for being ignorant. The fact that > > >> >> you respect Gish and Morris does not change the fact that they are > > >> >> lying frauds. > > > >> >> Martin > > > >> > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that > > >> > you > > >> > respected? > > > >> He, like me, is presumably the sort of person who grants respect to those > > >> worthy of it. Gish is not such a person. > > > > You failed to answer this question: > > > > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that you > > > respected? > > > If I see that he no longer deserves my respect. Are you the type of person > > who is so blinded by your suppositions that you fail to notice the flaws? > > I usually continue to respect them despite their flaws since I have flaws > of my own. You respect blithering idiots and you disrespect intelligent people because you are a blithering idiot. I disrespect blithering idiots and I respect intelligent people because I am an intelligent person myself: the idiocy I can cope with; it's teh blithering I can't stand. You can remain an idiot and stop blithering and then maybe I will be able to respect you once again. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 11:57 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4a...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-0706071803200...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? > > > >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your interests. > > > Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science > > that you are ignorant of? > > My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. The real world holds no interest for Jason. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 12:22 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181270320.011847.179...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 7:47 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > This book contains lots of evidence that God exists: "Evidence That > > > Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell. > > > Written words are not evidence, Jason. Can you design an experiment - > > any experiment- that can demonstrate that there exists anything - > > anything at all- supernatural and further show that this supernatural > > thing which you have detected is your god? By your own admission, you > > can barely pass Math 101. To me, that means you are a moron. Period. > The reason I had trouble passing math 101 was because I only had one > algebra class while in high school. I was not planning to go to college > until my junior year when we had to take a national test. The counselor > told me that I had a very high score on that test and should consider > going to college. I took college prep classes my senior year. When took > the math 101 college class, I was competing with students that had taken > college prep math classes for at least four or five years. I barely passed > that class. No, I could not design the experiment that you mentioned. In other words, you never had any interest in going to college until someone convinced you to go and then when you got to college you avoided having to learn anything. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 12:51 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181272114.692901.148...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 8:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > Your have high standards for evidence. Evolutionists claim that mankind > > > evolved from a living cell. Please tell me all of the steps that took > > > place between the the living cell and mankind. > > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > reproduction) > > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > > survival) > > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > > function) > > STEP 5 Vertibrates (example: fish) > > STEP 6 Amphibians (example: frog) > > STEP 7 Reptiles (example: lizard) > > STEP 8 Mammals (example: mouse) > > STEP 9 Primates (example: chimpanzee) > > STEP 10 Man (examples: me and you) > Calculate the millions of positive mutations that would have been required > to get from step 1 to step 10. You asked that question before. The answer was that we have no upper bound on how many mutations could have occured because we have no way of knowing exactly how many mutations occured that ended up not being beneficial. That being said, we know that mutations occur to this day and that the rate at which mutations occur, given three and a half billion years and multiple extinction events in the meantime, does account for the diversity of life we see today. If you really respected any of us then you would respond to our answers rather than claiming (ie lying) we never answered your questions and asking them all over again. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 12:53 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181272637.323720.75...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 8:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <m54h63p1ljb397m0rio2hp8abnvh9rm...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:09:22 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > <Jason-0706071709230...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article <tTZ9i.459$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > ><mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > >> Sorry Jason, you're confusing belief in god with a basis in > > > evolution. There > > > > >> are hundreds of millions of Christians that support the science > that has > > > > >> brought us into the 21st century. > > > > > >That is true. However, it does not mean that they support all aspects of > > > > >evolution theory such as the concept that mankind evolved from a living > > > > >cell. > > > > > The vast majority belong to denominations that do accept the discoveries > > > > about evolution, including the fact that mankind shares a common > > > > ancestry with other life on earth. > > > > > You reject that fact, but the fact won't change just because you don't > > > > like it. > > > > I have pointed out that only about 12 percent of the people believe that. > > > in the US. How about Europe? Japan? What does this say about the > > education system in the US? > > The poll was done on people in America. Precisely my point. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 12:57 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181272702.909471.310...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 8:37 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <0p2h6399jniuu128m1j7hnr7mccd7kj...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:33:53 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > <Jason-0606072233530...@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article <1181186644.427298.236...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > ><phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 7, 9:26 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > In article <s4ee63l7m06snhrejmi5amp02dvhia4...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:04:19 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > >> > > <Jason-0606071304200...@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >> > > >In article > > > > <1181115259.911064.176...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > >> > > >Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > ... > > > > > >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics > > > > > >> > > >> Aren't you embarassed by your lack of knowledge of physics? > > > It's not > > > > >> > > >> something a normal person would flaunt. > > > > > >> > > >No--there are millions of us. > > > > > >> > > At times you seem to be proud of your ignorance. Apparently > the Parable > > > > >> > > of the Talents is one of Jesus' parables that you do not know. > > > > > >> > Do you believe that everyone that has never taken a college > physics class > > > > >> > is ignorant? > > > > > >> By definition, yes. Can you point me to a college that doesn't offer > > > > >> any physics classes so that a student wouldn't have had an opportunity > > > > >> to take one? > > > > > >Believe it or not--lots of students do not enjoy math classes as much as > > > > >you did when you was a college student. I hated math classes in high > > > > >school and hated Math 101 even more. > > > > >Jason > > > > > Do you reject the math that you chose not to learn? > > > > Funny--I did not reject it--I just hated it. Did you enjoy all of the > > > classes that you had to take your first year of college? > > > Tell me, Jason, what was it exactly about learning that you didn't > > like? > I enjoyed the literature class, psychology class, sociology class and > biology class. I probably would have liked college math classes if I had > taken 5 years of college prep math classes in high school. You didn't answer my question so I will simplify it so that someone with your intellect can understand. Which word do you think best describes yourself, stupid or lazy? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 1:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181272873.968955.314...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 8:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <2q2h63hv86u7q4pl27sr87rncg5qsg1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:26:43 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > <Jason-0606072226440...@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article <1181185581.562621.245...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > >Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> In response to: > > > > > >> > In article > > <1181115259.911064.176...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > >> > > Aren't you embarassed by your lack of knowledge of physics? > It's not > > > > >> > > something a normal person would flaunt. > > > > > >> On Jun 7, 4:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > No--there are millions of us. > > > > > >> Apparently it is okay to be ignorant as long as there are millions of > > > > >> other people who are also ignorant. > > > > > >> Seconds? > > > > > >Are you saying that anyone that has not taken a college course in physics > > > > >is ignorant? > > > > > If you went to college you should be quite competent to learn throughout > > > > your life on a wide range of topics. There is no excuse for anyone who > > > > has been to college to spout off on topics that he is completely > > > > ignorant of. > > > > I seem to recall that someone asked me whether or not I had taken a > > > physics class so I provided an answer. > > > And the answer was you hadn't. Nor have you made any effort to learn > > anything by yourself since then. You are, by definition, ignorant. > > It's not too late though: stop wasting our time and yours and actually > > learn about the subjects you know nothing about. You can start by > > actually going back to college and taking Physics 101. You can take > > Biology 101 over too while you are at it as you obviously didn't learn > > anything the first time. > That's funny. About 10 years ago, I attended a special session that was > entitled, creation science versus evolution seminar. It was taught by the > professor that debated Dr. Gish Don't describe what he does as "teaching". It is an insult to teachers everywhere and, as a teacher, I take that very, very personally. I do NOT lie to my students. I tell them only the TRUTH. I leave it up to them to make their conclusions. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181272114.692901.148280@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 8:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > Your have high standards for evidence. Evolutionists claim that mankind > > evolved from a living cell. Please tell me all of the steps that took > > place between the the living cell and mankind. > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > reproduction) > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > survival) > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > function) > STEP 5 Vertibrates (example: fish) > STEP 6 Amphibians (example: frog) > STEP 7 Reptiles (example: lizard) > STEP 8 Mammals (example: mouse) > STEP 9 Primates (example: chimpanzee) > STEP 10 Man (examples: me and you) > > Martin Calculate the millions of positive mutations that would have been required to get from step 1 to step 10. As you know, most mutations do not result in a new species. Lots of research has been done related to fruit flies. They can cause mutations to happen with the use of an X-Ray machines. As far as I know, the most they have accomplished is the creation of a new species of fruit flies. The fruit flies have never had mutations that caused them to be a different type of insect. With that information in mind, how do you think it would be possible for a amphibian to evolve into a reptile? How do you think it would be possible for a reptile to evolve into a mammal? You know much more about math than I know. It's shocking to me that someone that knows as much about math as you know would actually believe that it would be possible for a bacteria to evolve into a man. Lots of research has been done with bacteria. Can you tell me about an experiment that proved that a bacteria evolved into a "single animal cell with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction"? source for fruit fly data: National Geographic November 2005--article entitled: "was Darwin Wrong". Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181272637.323720.75700@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 8:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <m54h63p1ljb397m0rio2hp8abnvh9rm...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:09:22 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > <Jason-0706071709230...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >In article <tTZ9i.459$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > ><mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > >> Sorry Jason, you're confusing belief in god with a basis in > > evolution. There > > > >> are hundreds of millions of Christians that support the science that has > > > >> brought us into the 21st century. > > > > > >That is true. However, it does not mean that they support all aspects of > > > >evolution theory such as the concept that mankind evolved from a living > > > >cell. > > > > > The vast majority belong to denominations that do accept the discoveries > > > about evolution, including the fact that mankind shares a common > > > ancestry with other life on earth. > > > > > You reject that fact, but the fact won't change just because you don't > > > like it. > > > > I have pointed out that only about 12 percent of the people believe that. > > in the US. How about Europe? Japan? What does this say about the > education system in the US? > > Martin The poll was done on people in America. Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 1:08 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181272392.411747.212...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 8:27 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > I was under the impression that the mass of material was floating in open > > > space prior to the time that it expanded. Is that not true? > > > Not according to Inflationary Theory: according to inflationary theory > > it is the metric of space that expanded. Thus, even though the > > universe was smaller than it is now, it was still all that existed. > > You need more than Math 101 to understand how that could be. Watching > > Star Trek won't help you. > > Thanks for your post. Do all scientists accept Inflationary Theory? For now, just as all scientists accepted Newtonian Mechanics but it turns out be wrong at the subatomic scale (which is governed by quantum mechanics) and in the case of relativistic speeds or strong gravitational fields (in which case relativity theory is more accurate). Plus, the theory says nothing about the first 5 x 10^-44 seconds so there's a gap right there where your little tiny god can be placed. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 1:11 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I don't believe that Dr. Gish is a liar. Then you are a fool. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181272702.909471.310840@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 8:37 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <0p2h6399jniuu128m1j7hnr7mccd7kj...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:33:53 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > <Jason-0606072233530...@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >In article <1181186644.427298.236...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > ><phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 7, 9:26 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > In article <s4ee63l7m06snhrejmi5amp02dvhia4...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:04:19 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > >> > > <Jason-0606071304200...@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >> > > >In article > > > > <1181115259.911064.176...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > ... > > > > > >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics > > > > > >> > > >> Aren't you embarassed by your lack of knowledge of physics? > > It's not > > > >> > > >> something a normal person would flaunt. > > > > > >> > > >No--there are millions of us. > > > > > >> > > At times you seem to be proud of your ignorance. Apparently the Parable > > > >> > > of the Talents is one of Jesus' parables that you do not know. > > > > > >> > Do you believe that everyone that has never taken a college physics class > > > >> > is ignorant? > > > > > >> By definition, yes. Can you point me to a college that doesn't offer > > > >> any physics classes so that a student wouldn't have had an opportunity > > > >> to take one? > > > > >Believe it or not--lots of students do not enjoy math classes as much as > > > >you did when you was a college student. I hated math classes in high > > > >school and hated Math 101 even more. > > > >Jason > > > > > Do you reject the math that you chose not to learn? > > > > Funny--I did not reject it--I just hated it. Did you enjoy all of the > > classes that you had to take your first year of college? > > Tell me, Jason, what was it exactly about learning that you didn't > like? > > Martin Martin, I enjoyed the literature class, psychology class, sociology class and biology class. I probably would have liked college math classes if I had taken 5 years of college prep math classes in high school. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181272873.968955.314810@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 8:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <2q2h63hv86u7q4pl27sr87rncg5qsg1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:26:43 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > <Jason-0606072226440...@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >In article <1181185581.562621.245...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > >Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> In response to: > > > > > >> > In article <1181115259.911064.176...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > >> > > Aren't you embarassed by your lack of knowledge of physics? It's not > > > >> > > something a normal person would flaunt. > > > > > >> On Jun 7, 4:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > No--there are millions of us. > > > > > >> Apparently it is okay to be ignorant as long as there are millions of > > > >> other people who are also ignorant. > > > > > >> Seconds? > > > > >Are you saying that anyone that has not taken a college course in physics > > > >is ignorant? > > > > > If you went to college you should be quite competent to learn throughout > > > your life on a wide range of topics. There is no excuse for anyone who > > > has been to college to spout off on topics that he is completely > > > ignorant of. > > > > I seem to recall that someone asked me whether or not I had taken a > > physics class so I provided an answer. > > And the answer was you hadn't. Nor have you made any effort to learn > anything by yourself since then. You are, by definition, ignorant. > It's not too late though: stop wasting our time and yours and actually > learn about the subjects you know nothing about. You can start by > actually going back to college and taking Physics 101. You can take > Biology 101 over too while you are at it as you obviously didn't learn > anything the first time. > > Martin That's funny. About 10 years ago, I attended a special session that was entitled, creation science versus evolution seminar. It was taught by the professor that debated Dr. Gish about a year after the seminar took place. I learned quite a lot of new information in that seminar. The professor showed several films that he purchased from ICR. He invited other professors that were advocates of evolution to give lectures about various aspects of evolution theory. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181272392.411747.212740@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 8:27 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <70gmj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > > > > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [snips] > > > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:38:17 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> Measurements would be meaningless as there's insufficient structure to > > > >> measure anything; everywhere you look, it is noise and chaos. > > > > > > Thanks for your post. Are you stating that the star ship would be inside > > > > the energy mass? > > > > > Obviously. The concepts of "space ship" and "time" and "travel" are all > > > things defined in terms of the operations of physics within our spacetime, > > > thus any such ship would, of necessity, have to be also inside our > > > spacetime in order for it to be a meaningful concept to us. Thus, as it > > > approaches T=0, it is inside the expanding ball of superheated energy just > > > after Planck time. > > > > > > Would it be possible for the star ship to be about five > > > > thousand miles (outside) the huge energy mass when the long range > > > > electronic scanning instruments detected the presence of the energy mass > > > > and/or radiation. > > > > > No, because the ships is inside the ball. As time goes backwards, the ball > > > condenses. It's not like standing beside a ball on the floor, looking at > > > it; you - and the ship - are inside the ball, which is shrinking and > > > heating, with the ship inside it. > > > > > How do you stand off 5,000 miles from something that you're inside of, > > > which itself is less than 5,000 miles across - assuming we're talking > > > about winding time back as close to 0 as we can theoretically get. > > > > Thanks for your post. I hope that other people also answer the question. I > > was under the impression that the mass of material was floating in open > > space prior to the time that it expanded. Is that not true? > > Not according to Inflationary Theory: according to inflationary theory > it is the metric of space that expanded. Thus, even though the > universe was smaller than it is now, it was still all that existed. > You need more than Math 101 to understand how that could be. Watching > Star Trek won't help you. > > Martin Thanks for your post. Do all scientists accept Inflationary Theory? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181272488.197694.154470@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 8:29 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <q1gmj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > > > > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:42:49 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > In article <7j2mj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> [snips] > > > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:11:10 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> >> Again, you are just making excuses for being ignorant. The fact that > > > >> >> you respect Gish and Morris does not change the fact that they are > > > >> >> lying frauds. > > > > > >> >> Martin > > > > > >> > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that you > > > >> > respected? > > > > > >> He, like me, is presumably the sort of person who grants respect to those > > > >> worthy of it. Gish is not such a person. > > > > > > You failed to answer this question: > > > > > > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that you > > > > respected? > > > > > If he earned that by, say, consistently spewing known falsehoods, > > > absolutely. > > > > Thanks for your answer. > > Jason, are you the sort of person who WOULDN'T turn your back on > someone even when you knew he was a liar? What does that say about > you? > > Martin Martin, I don't believe that Dr. Gish is a liar. He may have made mis-statements that he honestly believed were true statements. I have done the same thing. Lots of people stood by Clinton when he stated, "I did not have sex with that lady." That was an intentional lie. Jason Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to college. None > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization > provided me with a college scholarship. You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you ashamed? > Before my senior year, I took > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational agriculture. I > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team during my > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in those > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did not major > any math related courses while in college. You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. Martin Quote
Guest George Chen Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Jun 8, 2:10 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181276848.770709.166...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article > > > > ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > >> In article > > > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > done that, > > > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the > same way that > > > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > > > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you had > > > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe about > > > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > > > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > > > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > > > > religion. > > > > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had > > > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > > > God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It made me think Think? You? Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:27:32 -0500, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: - Refer: <o25h63tgq5vbkrbhapj832lc12igode22m@4ax.com> >In alt.atheism On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:23:00 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >(Jason) let us all know that: > >>In article <207f63l1vndqjhd4th6c3ppe842gtur3o6@4ax.com>, Michael Gray >><mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:05:54 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason >>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>> - Refer: <2p5kj4-ofp.ln1@spanky.localhost.net> >>> >[snips] >>> > >>> >On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:15:44 -0700, Jason wrote: >>> > >>> >> I posted information about a man that was healed by God. >>> > >>> >No, you didn't. You posted a story about a man who was healed. You >>> >>> He posted a story about a man who some say was healed of a disease >>> that he claimed to have. >>> >>> >completely failed to demonstrate that God even exists , let alone had any >>> >part in the healing, other than by fiat of assertion. >>> > >>> >Try again. This time think before posting. >>> >>> Impossible for Jason the Indoctrobot. >>> >>> -- >> >>Scenario: >>An atheist attends an open casket funeral. >> >>The dead man climbs out of the casket and states, "God raised me from the dead." > > Not possible. James Randi could do it. Penn & Teller could do it. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:13:07 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: - Refer: <m54h63p1ljb397m0rio2hp8abnvh9rm30c@4ax.com> >On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:09:22 -0700, in alt.atheism >Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in ><Jason-0706071709230001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <tTZ9i.459$s9.243@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >... > >>> Sorry Jason, you're confusing belief in god with a basis in evolution. There >>> are hundreds of millions of Christians that support the science that has >>> brought us into the 21st century. >> >>That is true. However, it does not mean that they support all aspects of >>evolution theory such as the concept that mankind evolved from a living >>cell. >> >The vast majority belong to denominations that do accept the discoveries >about evolution, including the fact that mankind shares a common >ancestry with other life on earth. > >You reject that fact, but the fact won't change just because you don't >like it. No. It is not a case of whether he "likes" it or not, for two reasons: 1) That would involve Jason actually having an independent opinion about something, 2) He is a marionette, his strings pulled by those frauds in the church who are marginally smarter than he. They extort him to reject facts, and he robotically obeys to the bitter end, under pain of imaginary eternal torture. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:29:14 -0500, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: - Refer: <e55h63lenfm9vrffvo6o7kjt7ha9hnn51n@4ax.com> >In alt.atheism On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:48:32 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >(Jason) let us all know that: > > >>Scenario: > > How many times are you going to post that bullshit? > > And why won't you address the answers I gave to your 20 >questions? He's too shy. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:29:41 -0500, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: - Refer: <m65h635uanmkn321aa69ugjo2tfupqno8g@4ax.com> >In alt.atheism On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:11:37 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >(Jason) let us all know that: > >>In article <nUZ9i.460$s9.377@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:Jason-0706071150260001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> > In article <f48ss5$at5$3@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >>> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Jason wrote: >>> >> > Martin, >>> >> > I would like for you to tell me how that young man was able to walk >>> >> > unless >>> >> > God had healed him? His doctor confirmed that he was healed. >>> >> >>> >> Jason, >>> >> >>> >> I'd like for you to tell me how that young man was able to walk unless >>> >> I had healed him? His doctor confirmed that he was healed. >>> > >>> > Are you claiming that you healed the man? What is your evidence? >>> >>> It's as good as yours, Jason, that's the point. >> >>Do you have the name of a doctor that can confirm the healing? I have the >>name of a doctor that can confirm that young man was healed. That doctor's >>name is >>Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD >> > Address. Telephone number. He shares the same insulting rooms as Dr. Nick Riviera. Perhaps Dr. Dino has been on an episode of the Simpsons? -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:02:35 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: - Refer: <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com> >On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in ><Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >... > >>> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >> >>I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your interests. > >Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >that you are ignorant of? Because his freak-show elders tell him to. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:05:40 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: - Refer: <h97h63hnfogk0v36morq8mvlo2lr36g67e@4ax.com> >On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:25:54 +0930, in alt.atheism >Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in ><tn6h63dgsuq528bllorj97i6b8gag7ekmf@4ax.com>: >>On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:53:22 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> >>wrote: >> - Refer: <h23h635si7vocaminvnpv10kp07vtq0bvn@4ax.com> >>>On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:12:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >>>Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>><Jason-0706071212100001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>In article <f49bfr$q8c$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >>>><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> > Let's say that you lived in a different city than your father lived. You >>>>> > have a great deal of respect for your father. You meet someone that starts >>>>> > to tell you how evil your father is and that he had all sorts of evidence >>>>> > about your father. >>>>> > >>>>> > You would have two options: >>>>> > option 1: Agree agree that man and agree with the evidence. >>>>> > option 2: Continue to have respect for your father and disregard the >>>>evidence. >>>>> > >>>>> > I would choose option 2. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you disregard the evidence and believe whatever you want to believe. >>>>> That explains a lot. >>>> >>>>Are you the type of person that would you turn your back on a person that >>>>you respected? >>>> >>>The more you defend Gish's lies, the less respect you deserve. >> >>How can it go below zero? > >Depends on the scale. I'm thinking Celsius or even Fahrenheit. We need a new scale for Jason's outrageous criminal lies, let alone that utter fraud Gish. Even "duke" degrees do not go low enough. -- Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 [snips] On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:20:23 -0700, Jason wrote: > Your have high standards for evidence. Correct. > Evolutionists claim that mankind > evolved from a living cell. More or less correct. > Please tell me all of the steps that took > place between the the living cell and mankind. I can't... but then, so what? Again, you demonstrate your fundamental dishonesty, accepting one side of things without so much as a peep, yet demanding far more detailed information on the other side than is warranted for the issues involved. You are asking a patently stupid question. You are looking at a person who says "I walked 10 miles" and demanding he describe every footfall before you'll even consider the possibility that walking can even exist. The honest approach is to examine the process: does walking exist? Yes. Does it allow a person to move from one point to another? Yes. Is there any limit to this process? Well, yes... he can only walk so fast, he needs to stop to rest, eat, etc, but otherwise, no, he could in fact choose to walk for years and possibly circle the planet - walking 10 miles is simply not an issue. Oh, but wait... by realizing the process exists now, that it is sufficient to explain the journey involved and that whatever limits are involved are not sufficient to prevent the journey, we don't need to examine every single step, and in fact, doing so is pointless and meaningless. It's the same deal here. We know the process exists today; we know it can in principle explain the entire diversity of life, we know of a few minor limits but nothing that prevents it from operating over the entire span of life, we can even see glimpses of it in the past - snapshots of the journey if you will. There is simply no need to examine every single step of the path to know that the path is not merely possible, but amply justified. Of course, this is all beyond you, isn't it? -- I see you are the Jack of Old Quotes, Understander of None. -- God Dan Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:11:37 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <nUZ9i.460$s9.377@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706071150260001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <f48ss5$at5$3@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > Martin, >> >> > I would like for you to tell me how that young man was able to walk >> >> > unless >> >> > God had healed him? His doctor confirmed that he was healed. >> >> >> >> Jason, >> >> >> >> I'd like for you to tell me how that young man was able to walk unless >> >> I had healed him? His doctor confirmed that he was healed. >> > >> > Are you claiming that you healed the man? What is your evidence? >> >> It's as good as yours, Jason, that's the point. > > Do you have the name of a doctor that can confirm the healing? I have the > name of a doctor that can confirm that young man was healed. That doctor's > name is > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD Correct; Dr. Dine confirmed that the subject was healed. The question is, who healed him? The hypothesis before you is that he was healed by Mike . The evidence to support this is exactly the same as your evidence that he was healed by God. -- Evolution to D. Gish: “Look, I’m very upset the way you turned out...” Quote
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