Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> ... >> >> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >> > >> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your >> >interests. >> >> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >> that you are ignorant of? > > My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Atheist are Stooges" <Atheist.Stooges@Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4668b7e3$0$502$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > > > "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:t92ai.28575$JQ3.17105@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0506072111300001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <l67c63p9endm4gd56li71t0ckkurrpuouj@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:13:09 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-0506071913090001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>> >In article <ssub635vimbr8j7fv42mn8c519oun1s1t3@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:44:19 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >>>> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> >> <Jason-0506071544200001@66-52-22-97.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>> >> >In article <jnugj4-b76.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>> >> ><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> [snips] >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:54:52 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > You let your professors and the people that wrote text books >>>> >> >> > and >>>> >> >> > other >>>> >> >> > books influence your thinking processes. I have done the same >>> related to >>>> >> >> > the books that I have read related to creation science. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I let them "influence" me because they provide actual sound >>> reasoning and >>>> >> >> actual evidence. Yours don't. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Again, that's the problem; you let them do your thinking for >>>> >> >> you, >>>> >> >> instead of doing it yourself. I don't. If a scientist I'm >>> reading makes >>>> >> >> a claim which seems outlandish, I'll reject it until it is >>>> >> >> supported by >>>> >> >> evidence . You, by contrast, simply note that someone with a >>> degree wrote >>>> >> >> it down, therefore it must be right. It has never, apparently, >>>> >> >> occurred >>>> >> >> to you that others can be just as dishonest and deceitful as you >>> yourself >>>> >> >> are, so you swallow crap hook, line and sinker. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> By contrast, we know people can be dishonest; we even know they >>>> >> >> can be >>>> >> >> simply mistaken. This is why we demand evidence of the claim. >>>> >> >> The >>>> >> >> fact >>>> >> >> they have a degree, or that there are lots of them, means fuck >>>> >> >> all . >>>> >> >> Either they provide the evidence supporting their claims, or >>>> >> >> their >>> claims >>>> >> >> are rejected, out of hand. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> As far as Gish is concerned, we have seen, repeatedly, his lies, >>>> >> >> his >>>> >> >> frauds, his deceptions, his foundation of dishonesty upon which >>>> >> >> he >>>> >> >> bases >>>> >> >> virtually everything he does, so we do not trust him at all, but >>>> >> >> we >>>> >> >> have >>>> >> >> also noticed that, when it comes to his debates, his >>>> >> >> publications >>>> >> >> and >>>> >> >> the rest, he fails, miserably, to substantiate his claims except, >>> perhaps >>>> >> >> on occasion, some trivial side point here and there. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Since he does not support his claims with evidence - or even >>>> >> >> sound >>>> >> >> reasoning - his claims are rightly discarded. Problem is, when >>>> >> >> you >>>> >> >> do >>>> >> >> that, he's left with nothing. For some reason, you seem to >>>> >> >> think >>>> >> >> that >>>> >> >> this nothingness is a winning point for him, that his dishonesty >>> is worthy >>>> >> >> of respect. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Why you would respect a known liar who, even when faced with the >>> proof he >>>> >> >> is lying continues to lie about the exact same point, isn't >>>> >> >> clear. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Oh, actually, it is - because you haven't got a shred of honesty >>> yourself, >>>> >> >> as you persist in demonstrating. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >Someone just tried to convince me that time did not exist prior to >>>> >> >the Big >>>> >> >Bang. Do you believe there is EVIDENCE for that? >>>> >> >>>> >> There is evidence that physics as we know it did not exist prior to >>>> >> Planck time. >>>> >> >>>> >> >It appears to me that the advocates of evolutionist are willing to >>>> >> >believe >>>> >> >almost anything that scientists tell them to believe. >>>> >> > >>>> >> Nope, they are willing to accept evidence. >>>> >> >>>> >> You, on the other hand, reject evidence to worship lies. >>>> > >>>> >I doubt that there is evidence that time did not exist prior to the >>>> >Big >>>> >Bang. >>>> > >>>> So what? You have already demonstrated a profound lack of knowledge >>>> about science. You should be ashamed to offer an opinion about anything >>>> that you are ignorant of. You should be doubly ashamed to keep >>>> repeating >>>> your opinion when half a dozen people have repeatedly explained to you >>>> why your opinion is wrong. >>>> >>>> I already said that there is evidence that _physics as we know it_ did >>>> not exist prior to Planck Time. Time is an integral part of physics as >>>> we know it. >>>> >>>> You are free to do your job and offer evidence that time did exist >>>> prior >>>> to Planck Time. If you manage to, you would be on the short list for >>>> the >>>> Nobel Prize in Physics. >>>> >>>> Remember, in science no one cares about anyone's ignorant opinion. They >>>> care about evidence. It's pretty much backward from your approach to >>>> the >>>> world. >>> >>> So if scientists arrive at a consensus that time did not exist prior to >>> the Big Bang than people like yourself just accept it without question. >>> When someone says, "the emperor has no clothing"--everyone is shocked. >>> They may even say, "that's an ignorant opinion". >> >> Since few of us do our own research we accept it from the evidence we >> have until someone can present better evidence that it didn't. What >> evidence do you have that it did exist? >> >> > Researcher my ass.Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a > lobotomy if you wear a wig to hide to those scars. Rayturd, still can't read for comprehension I see. Can you see where I said anything about personally doing research? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Atheist are Stooges" <Atheist.Stooges@Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4668b6de$0$506$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > > > "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:241ai.550$s9.522@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706071727160001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <70gmj4-917.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> [snips] >>>> >>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:38:17 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> >> Measurements would be meaningless as there's insufficient structure >>>> >> to >>>> >> measure anything; everywhere you look, it is noise and chaos. >>>> >>>> > Thanks for your post. Are you stating that the star ship would be >>>> > inside >>>> > the energy mass? >>>> >>>> Obviously. The concepts of "space ship" and "time" and "travel" are >>>> all >>>> things defined in terms of the operations of physics within our >>>> spacetime, >>>> thus any such ship would, of necessity, have to be also inside our >>>> spacetime in order for it to be a meaningful concept to us. Thus, as >>>> it >>>> approaches T=0, it is inside the expanding ball of superheated energy >>>> just >>>> after Planck time. >>>> >>>> > Would it be possible for the star ship to be about five >>>> > thousand miles (outside) the huge energy mass when the long range >>>> > electronic scanning instruments detected the presence of the energy >>>> > mass >>>> > and/or radiation. >>>> >>>> No, because the ships is inside the ball. As time goes backwards, the >>>> ball >>>> condenses. It's not like standing beside a ball on the floor, looking >>>> at >>>> it; you - and the ship - are inside the ball, which is shrinking and >>>> heating, with the ship inside it. >>>> >>>> How do you stand off 5,000 miles from something that you're inside of, >>>> which itself is less than 5,000 miles across - assuming we're talking >>>> about winding time back as close to 0 as we can theoretically get. >>> >>> Thanks for your post. I hope that other people also answer the question. >>> I >>> was under the impression that the mass of material was floating in open >>> space prior to the time that it expanded. Is that not true? >> >> There was nothing in which to float. There was no time and no space. >> There was a singularity. > Got the lab results to go with that moron? > What's that? > crickets again.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Gee Rayturd, following me again? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <1181331557.751428.128090@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 8, 12:19 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically > > > because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a > > > physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors > > > with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is > > > overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, > > > that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings > > > clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great > > > Apes. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind > > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth > > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans > > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. > > "Some of the features"??? You clearly don't understand. Humans and > chimps share 97% of our DNA. Gorillas are only slightly less related > to humans, then the other apes are slightly less similar, then the > other primates are still slightly less similar, etc. etc. All of life > on this planet is clearly related, including humans. There was no > separate creation of the humans species - our relatedness to the other > apes is clearly established by the facts. > > Why are you clinging so tightly to the Genesis myth? There is no need > to believe in it in order to believe that God created everything. > Humans are clearly apes who passed a certain threshold of intelligence > and became self-aware and able to think abstract thoughts like "who > created us". If you want to believe that God nudged evolution so as > to produce beings intelligent enough to believe in Him, that's fine - > but to believe in a separate Creation for humans you have to leave > logic and reason behind. > > - Bob T. > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - Only about 12 percent of Americans would agree with you. I copied the following information from page 20 of the Nov 2004 issue of National Geograhic: "The mouse genome effort, according to Nature Magazine's editors, had revealed about 30,000 genes, with 99 percent having direct conterparts in humans". Do you believe that one of our closest relatives are mice? The same God created Humans, Apes and mice--it's only logical to conclude that he would use some of the same features in mankind, apes, mice and various other life forms. Jason Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0706072025180001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <n1kmj4-917.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:30:53 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> > According to the article that was written by Chuck Norris, the Texas >> >> > Freedom Network is one of the liberal groups that is fighting at >> >> > great >> >> > expense to keep the Bible from being taught in public classrooms. > > Please re-read the portion of the above sentence that mentions "OTHER > LIBERAL GROUPS. > > > >> >> TFN... ACLU. TFN... ACLU. Yup, they're obviously the same thing. >> >> Just >> >> like salt and sunshine are the same thing. >> > >> > According to the article, "...liberal groups are fighting at great >> > expense >> > to keep the Bible from being taught in public classrooms". >> >> And you said the ACLU was fighting this, yet the only reference I saw was >> to the TFN. Surely even you can tell the difference. >> >> > It's difficult to brainwash public school students related to evolution >> > theory, if intelligent design or courses related to the Bible are >> > taught. >> >> Hey, I'm all for teaching ID theory and/or creation theory, on two >> conditions: >> >> 1) They actually provide a theory, as science uses the term >> 2) They actually examine the claims and evidence as science does >> >> The problem is, they don't even have a theory, so it's impossible to >> teach >> ID theory or creation theory. That, of course, ignores the other little >> issue that they have never once, in my experience, treated the subjects >> as >> science. >> >> If you want to teach these things as religious notions, fine - feel free >> to do so in Sunday school, not science class. >> >> > That, in my opinion, is the MAIN reason that liberal groups are >> > fighting at great expense to keep the Bible and intelligent design out >> > of the public school system. >> >> The fight is to keep a single religious notion out when it requires the >> exclusion of others. >> >> It's like this: you want your creation story included in the science >> class? Fine; let's do it, bring it on. However, in the spirit of fair >> play, we will also have to include every other creation story in the >> science class, and give them all equal time, equal footing. >> >> Assuming "science class" runs an hour a day, five days a week for 10 >> months out of the year, we're looking at about 200 hours' worth of study >> time, which means we might get through all the creation stories in >> three >> or four years, if we completely exclude all other science in the process. >> >> Hmm. That doesn't sound like a good idea. Here's a better idea: how >> about we focus science classes on things which are actually science ? >> Now, if you - or they - want to have some pet creation story included, >> fine, bring it on... just be sure to demonstrate that it is, in fact, >> science - that it includes a proper scientific theory or group of >> theories, that it is falsifiable, that it has been tested and withstood >> the testing, that it uses the tools and methodologies of science and so >> forth. >> >> Well, that rules out creationism, pretty much in any flavor, along with >> ID and the rest of it, doesn't it? >> >> We want to keep religion out of science class because religion is not >> science . Simple as that. We may also want to keep religion out of >> school in general, but there are different reasons for that. >> >> So you're dealing with _at least_ two completely different issues, >> failing >> to deal with either of them separately, failing to give a single reason >> why your side should be allowed to have its way, completely and utterly >> failing to give any reason at all to give your side so much as the time >> of >> day... but the fault is ours for not letting you play? Doesn't wash. > > I see no harm in letting students learn about intelligent design. Well great, when ID can present a real theory, instead of 'it's so great god must have done it', then we can teach ID. Until then there is great harm in teaching it. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Atheist are Stooges" <Atheist.Stooges@Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4668b7c2$0$502$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > > > "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:Z72ai.28574$JQ3.19459@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0606071157510001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <1181118078.064710.322910@r19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> Martin >>> <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 6, 12:21 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>> > In article <1181091605.694271.234...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, >>>> > Martin >>>> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> > > On Jun 6, 6:19 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>> >>>> > > > Scientists may have a consensus about this subject but I doubt >>>> > > > that >>>> > > > they >>>> > > > have evidence that time did not exist prior to the Big Bang. >>>> > >>>> > > Except all the evidence supporting the second law of >>>> > > thermodynamics. >>>> > >>>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics >>>> >>>> > Interesting point. Is it your opinion that all of the energy in the >>>> > universe was in the mass of energy that expanded during the Big Bang? >>>> > Is >>>> > it possible that there was some energy that was outside (or not part >>>> > of) >>>> > the mass of energy that expanded during the Big Bang? >>>> >>>> No, not according to inflationary theory. >>>> (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space and >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflationary_theory ) >>>> >>>> > If there was some energy that was not part of the mass of energy that >>>> > expanded--would that mean that physics and time did exist prior to >>>> > the >>>> > Big >>>> > Bang? >>>> >>>> It would require inflationary theory to be wrong but that would still >>>> leave other support for big bang theory: inflationary theory was >>>> proposed as a theory to explain the big bang. In any case, the >>>> density of the universe is found to agree exactly with the predictions >>>> of inflationary theory. >>>> >>>> I think you're missing the bigger point here. You have 5.39121 x >>>> 10^-44 seconds to play with. Perhaps you want to argue that God >>>> existed for that briefest period of time and then promptly disappeared >>>> once everything got started. No physicist would care to disagree >>>> because physics would have nothing to say about that period of time >>>> and it wouldn't change the fact that no gods exist in the universe we >>>> see today. >>>> >>>> Martin >>> >>> Martin, >>> I have stated in other posts that neither myself or other advocates of >>> creation research know how God was able to do it but believe he did do >>> it. >>> You know more about math than I know but it did not pass the "common >>> sense" test when someone stated that time and space did not exist prior >>> to >>> the Big Bang. That appeared to me to be an unproven concept. Do you >>> believe that time and physics did not exist prior to the Big Bang? >>> jason >> >> According to the mathematical formulas it didn't. >> >> > Holy Mary mother of God let me get my dunce translator out. > What mathematical formula moron? The formulas of general relativity. > This one? <snip irrelevant bullshit> Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In alt.atheism On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:54:25 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >Only about 12 percent of Americans Who cares? Stop using the argument from popularity/numbers fallacy, idiot. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0806071602060001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <Kdjai.670$s9.480@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article >> >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In article >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >> >> >> > done >> >> >> > that, >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >> >> >> > way >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you >> >> >> had >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe >> >> >> about >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> > >> >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> > >> >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> >> religion. >> > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that >> > had >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God >> > healed >> > her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me >> > but >> > I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >> > X-rays and medical records. >> > Jason >> >> How is it evidence that god did it? > > I know a lady that had one leg that was longer than the other leg. She was > a teenage girl and her parents were too poor to buy her special shoes. The > children in her school teased her on a daily basis. She begged God to heal > her. She attended a special "healing" church service. The evangelist > prayed that she would be healed. The following morning both of her legs > were the same size. Do I have evidence to prove that God healed her. Her > testimony is enough evidence (that God did it) for me but I doubt that it > would be enough evidence for you or almost anyone else in this newsgroup. > The blind man that Jesus healed stated to the critics of Jesus: "Before I > was blind and now I can see." That woman could say, "Before one leg was > longer than my other leg but now both of my legs are the same size." > Jason Then you are still blind. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0806071550350001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <Dfjai.671$s9.194@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article >> > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done >> >> > that, >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way >> >> > that >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you >> >> had >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe >> >> about >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> > >> > God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> God can't heal anyone because he doesn't exist. If you take a look at the >> world and it's condition that is a pretty clear indicator that there is >> no >> benevolent god. > > God is still in control. His prophets predicted that the end times would > be really bad. Those prophets were correct. Jason, the end times have been here since Jesus was here. Jesus predicted he would be back 'soon'. He didn't show! Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <_Yiai.657$s9.498@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0806071219000001@66-52-22-99.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <1181325227.330987.16000@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 8, 11:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <1181308684.166476.160...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >> > "Bob > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> > > On Jun 7, 12:58 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > In article <glvlj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > >> > > >> > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:08:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > In article <kt5kj4-ofp....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey > >> > > > > > Bjarnason > >> > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> [snips] > >> > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:14:21 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > I have a copy of the November 2004 issue of National > >> > > > > >> > Geographic > >> > magazine. > >> > > > > >> > On page 6, poll results were mentioned. "According to a > >> > > > > >> > Gallup > >> > Pole that > >> > > > > >> > was conducted in Feb., 2001, no less than 45 percent of > > responding US > >> > > > > >> > adults agreed that God created humans pretty much in their > >> > present form > >> > > > > >> > within the last 10,000 years or so." ...."Only 12 percent > >> > believed that > >> > > > > >> > humans evolved from other life forms without any involvement > >> > from God." > >> > > >> > > > > >> > It appears to me that more people in America agree with me > >> > > > > >> > than > >> > > > agree with > >> > > > > >> > you. In fact, only about 12 percent of Americans agree with > >> > > > > >> > you. > >> > > >> > > > > >> Are you really so stupid you think that you can vote God > >> > > > > >> into > >> > existence? > >> > > >> > > > > > I don't recall stating that I think that I can vote God into > > existence. > >> > > > > > Are you assuming that I stated something that I did not state? > >> > > >> > > > > If you're not trying to do that, then it doesn't matter whether > > two people > >> > > > > or twenty billion believe, the numbers are absolutely > > irrelevant. Yet you > >> > > > > bring them up as if they do mean something, so yes, you do > > seem to think > >> > > > > that simply counting noses establishes reality - that you can > >> > > > > vote God > >> > > > > into existence. > >> > > >> > > > I did not conduct the poll. Several people in various posts > > implied that I > >> > > > was ignorant for not believing that humans evolved from a living > > cell. My > >> > > > point was that millions of people agree with me. In fact, only > >> > > > about 12 > >> > > > percent of the people agree with you. You may believe that your > >> > > > oldest > >> > > > ancestor is a cell but I believe that my oldest ancestors were all > >> > > > human > >> > > > beings. > >> > > >> > > Actually, I believe you are mistaken. Many of the 88% from your poll > >> > > seem to believe in both God _and_ evolution, which is the mainstream > >> > > Christian position. > >> > > >> > > You are also mistaken about reality - your oldest ancestors lived > >> > > billions of years before anything like a human being existed. > >> > > >> > > - Bob T. > >> > > >> > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > >> > > >> > > > - Show quoted text - > >> > > >> > Bob, > >> > I agree that lots of Christians believe in God and evolution. I believe > >> > in > >> > God and in evolution. However, lots of Christians (myself included) > >> > don't > >> > accept all aspects of evolution theory. For example, only about 12 > >> > percent > >> > of us believe that mankind evolved from other life forms without any > >> > involvement from God. > >> > >> Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically > >> because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a > >> physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors > >> with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is > >> overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, > >> that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings > >> clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great > >> Apes. > >> > >> - Bob T. > > > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind > > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth > > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans > > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. > > Jason > > Makes you wonder why he didn't, doesn't it Jason. Not really, he knew that true Christians would not be confused. I purchased a Honda Accord several years ago and was shocked when I learned that one of their SUVs had the same type of engine that was in my Accord. I later realized that it made perfect sense to use the same type of engine in both vehicles. The vehicles look very different but are in many ways are very similar. Once God had determined that certain features (tooth structure, lungs, hearts) worked really well--it would have been ridiculous for God to have invented new features just so that evolutionists would not be confused. As you know, one aspect of evolution theory is that bacteria evolved into a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). The article discussed the experiments that had been done in relation to bacteria. Those researcher were not able to induce bacteria to evolve into a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). The most they could do was to induce bacteria to evolve into various new types of bacteria. The same article mentioned various research studies that have been done related to fruit flies. The end result was that they were able to induce mutations that caused the development of a new species of fruit fly. The induced mutations in fruit flies did NOT cause any of the offspring to be a different type of insect. source: National Geographic--november 2004--article title: Was Darwin Wrong? A new species of dog may evolve but it will still be a dog. A new species of cat may evolve but it will still be a cat. A new species of fruit flies may evolve but it will still be a fruit fly. etc etc Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 Jason wrote: > Do you want to be left behind when the rapture takes place? I don't. HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAAAAAAAH! -- 655321 Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:57:15 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> ... >> >> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >> > >> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your interests. >> >> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >> that you are ignorant of? > >My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. > That didn't explain anything. You repeat false claims about science even though you have told us that you are ignorant of those disciplines. Tell us why you insist on repeating these false claims. Why do you make stuff up? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done that, >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way that >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you had >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe about >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> > >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> > >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> religion. > >I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed >her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but >I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >X-rays and medical records. You forgot to point out how God was involved. I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was involved. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <bdjai.669$s9.402@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0706072310450001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <1181276848.770709.166770@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> > > >In article > >> > > ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > >> > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> In article > >> > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > > done that, > >> > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the > > same way that > >> > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > >> > > >> > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > >> > > >> you had > >> > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe > >> > > >> about > >> > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > >> > > >> > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > >> > > >> > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > >> > > religion. > >> > > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that > >> > had > >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > >> > >> God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. > >> > >> Martin > > > > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It made me think > > of the people in this thread that appear to not believe in God. > > > >> Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves > >> to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him. > >> They're the God-haters. > >> To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate > >> something we don't believe in ?'. > >> Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to > >> relentlessly attack Him. > > You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. Take it from > me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can hate his > ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them intensely. > Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to help him. I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. I don't really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and click to the next post. I don't hate anyone. I would add a line to above-- It's their belief in God which drives them to relentlessly attack Him AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIS FOLLOWERS. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <Dfjai.671$s9.194@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article > > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> In article > >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done > >> > that, > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way > >> > that > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > >> > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you had > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe about > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > > > God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > God can't heal anyone because he doesn't exist. If you take a look at the > world and it's condition that is a pretty clear indicator that there is no > benevolent god. God is still in control. His prophets predicted that the end times would be really bad. Those prophets were correct. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:16:58 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071616580001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <jnjai.680$s9.145@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: .... >> Well great, when ID can present a real theory, instead of 'it's so great god >> must have done it', then we can teach ID. Until then there is great harm in >> teaching it. > >The main reason that evolutionists do NOT want ID taught in public schools >is because it would interfere with their efforts to brainwash students >into believing all aspects of evolution theory. Your lies are tiresome. Why do you continue to repeat your lies, day after day? >There was a dictator that forced all children to attend state schools. The >people started to rebell. He said something like this: > >"I'm not worried about this generation since I now have control over your >children." You support that dictator. You support known liars like the ICR. >Get my point. You are a liar. Your point is that you will say any dishonest thing to keep from acknowledging the facts that are available for all to see. -- "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:51:53 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0706072151530001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181272114.692901.148280@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 8, 8:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > Your have high standards for evidence. Evolutionists claim that mankind >> > evolved from a living cell. Please tell me all of the steps that took >> > place between the the living cell and mankind. >> >> STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) >> STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual >> reproduction) >> STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for >> survival) >> STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to >> function) >> STEP 5 Vertibrates (example: fish) >> STEP 6 Amphibians (example: frog) >> STEP 7 Reptiles (example: lizard) >> STEP 8 Mammals (example: mouse) >> STEP 9 Primates (example: chimpanzee) >> STEP 10 Man (examples: me and you) >> >> Martin > >Calculate the millions of positive mutations that would have been required >to get from step 1 to step 10. As you know, most mutations do not result >in a new species. Lots of research has been done related to fruit flies. >They can cause mutations to happen with the use of an X-Ray machines. As >far as I know, the most they have accomplished is the creation of a new >species of fruit flies. The fruit flies have never had mutations that >caused them to be a different type of insect. With that information in >mind, how do you think it would be possible for a amphibian to evolve into >a reptile? How do you think it would be possible for a reptile to evolve >into a mammal? You know much more about math than I know. It's shocking to >me that someone that knows as much about math as you know would actually >believe that it would be possible for a bacteria to evolve into a man. >Lots of research has been done with bacteria. Can you tell me about an >experiment that proved that a bacteria evolved into a "single animal cell >with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction"? >source for fruit fly data: National Geographic November 2005--article entitled: >"was Darwin Wrong". > Too bad you were to lazy to actually read that article. If you had, you would know that the conclusion of the article is that _you_ are wrong and that Darwin was right. Once again, your laziness betrays you. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:03:06 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071203060001@66-52-22-99.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181300770.241675.218250@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: .... >> Wrong! Look at the fossil record: we have fish with lungs, reptiles >> with feathers, whales with legs and men with small heads (or are they >> monkeys? It's so hard to tell). Evolution occurs one step at a time. >> >> Once again you are talking about a subject you obviously know NOTHING >> about. All you know are the lies Gish and Morris fed you. >> >> Martin > >It would be great if more of the advocates of evolution had skeptical >instincts and had high standards of evidence. They have a high standard of >evidence when evaluating whether or not God healed a young man that once >needed a wheelchair but is now able to walk. However, they have a low >standard for evidence when they evaluate research projects that have been >done in relation to bacteria. If they done that, they would realize that >none of those research projects have proved that bacteria has evolved into >a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). Scientists are the ones who were sceptical and they were the ones who gathered evidence. You have joined the credulous who believes lies that are told to them. You are a liar, nothing else. Your behavior is not the behavior of a Christian. -- "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <Kdjai.670$s9.480@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article > >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In article > >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done > >> >> > that, > >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way > >> >> > that > >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > >> >> > >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you > >> >> had > >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe > >> >> about > >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > >> > > >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > >> > > >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > >> religion. > > > > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had > > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed > > her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but > > I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her > > X-rays and medical records. > > Jason > > How is it evidence that god did it? I know a lady that had one leg that was longer than the other leg. She was a teenage girl and her parents were too poor to buy her special shoes. The children in her school teased her on a daily basis. She begged God to heal her. She attended a special "healing" church service. The evangelist prayed that she would be healed. The following morning both of her legs were the same size. Do I have evidence to prove that God healed her. Her testimony is enough evidence (that God did it) for me but I doubt that it would be enough evidence for you or almost anyone else in this newsgroup. The blind man that Jesus healed stated to the critics of Jesus: "Before I was blind and now I can see." That woman could say, "Before one leg was longer than my other leg but now both of my legs are the same size." Jason Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:54:25 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071354260001@66-52-22-69.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181331557.751428.128090@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 8, 12:19 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> > > Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically >> > > because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a >> > > physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors >> > > with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is >> > > overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, >> > > that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings >> > > clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great >> > > Apes. >> > >> > > - Bob T. >> > >> > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind >> > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth >> > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans >> > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. >> >> "Some of the features"??? You clearly don't understand. Humans and >> chimps share 97% of our DNA. Gorillas are only slightly less related >> to humans, then the other apes are slightly less similar, then the >> other primates are still slightly less similar, etc. etc. All of life >> on this planet is clearly related, including humans. There was no >> separate creation of the humans species - our relatedness to the other >> apes is clearly established by the facts. >> >> Why are you clinging so tightly to the Genesis myth? There is no need >> to believe in it in order to believe that God created everything. >> Humans are clearly apes who passed a certain threshold of intelligence >> and became self-aware and able to think abstract thoughts like "who >> created us". If you want to believe that God nudged evolution so as >> to produce beings intelligent enough to believe in Him, that's fine - >> but to believe in a separate Creation for humans you have to leave >> logic and reason behind. >> >> - Bob T. >> > Jason- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > >Only about 12 percent of Americans would agree with you. I copied the >following information from page 20 of the Nov 2004 issue of National >Geograhic: > >"The mouse genome effort, according to Nature Magazine's editors, had >revealed about 30,000 genes, with 99 percent having direct conterparts in >humans". > >Do you believe that one of our closest relatives are mice? > >The same God created Humans, Apes and mice--it's only logical to conclude >that he would use some of the same features in mankind, apes, mice and >various other life forms. >Jason > You revel in your ignorance. Stop acting so foolish. Just stop it. Even the ICR will be offended by your defense of them pretty soon. You mock the God you claim to worship with the lies you repeatedly tell and your refusal to learn. Why haven't you read the Parable of the Talents? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <cajai.665$s9.257@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0806070004200001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <1181280789.106035.58590@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >> > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to college. > >> > None > >> > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization > >> > provided me with a college scholarship. > >> > >> You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you > >> ashamed? > >> > >> > Before my senior year, I took > >> > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational > >> > agriculture. I > >> > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team during > >> > my > >> > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in those > >> > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did not > >> > major > >> > any math related courses while in college. > >> > >> You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics > >> and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. > >> > >> Martin > > > > Martin, > > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in all > > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended college. > > jason > > It doesn't show in your posts. Have you noticed that some of the people in this thread have a deep prejudice against people that have never a college physics course while in college or read books about quantum physics? They must really hate people that have never attended college. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:48:12 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071548120001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <bdjai.669$s9.402@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: .... >> You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. Take it from >> me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can hate his >> ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them intensely. >> Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to help him. > >I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in >this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. >It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. I don't >really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and >click to the next post. I don't hate anyone. I would add a line to above-- > >It's their belief in God which drives them to relentlessly attack Him AND >THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIS FOLLOWERS. You tell lies. You don't act like the follower of the Christian God. I don't ever attack people for being followers of God, but I see no reason to tolerate your lies just because you claim to be such a follower. Based on your other, repeated, lies, I have no reason at all to believe that you are a follower of the Christian God. None. at. all. You are just a liar who likes to stir up trouble. Even Augustine hated your approach, so your silliness isn't even new. -- "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <Qjjai.676$s9.136@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> ... > >> > >> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? > >> > > >> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your > >> >interests. > >> > >> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science > >> that you are ignorant of? > > > > My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. > > Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? I have a skeptical instinct. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:29:29 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in <J_iai.658$s9.75@bignews3.bellsouth.net>: > >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >news:Jason-0806071132380001@66-52-22-99.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> In article <1181301145.679146.227390@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On Jun 8, 3:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> > In article <1181280789.106035.58...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, >>> > Martin >>> >>> > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> > > On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> > >>> > > > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to >> college. None >>> > > > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization >>> > > > provided me with a college scholarship. >>> > >>> > > You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you >>> > > ashamed? >>> > >>> > > > Before my senior year, I took >>> > > > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational >> agriculture. I >>> > > > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team >>> > > > during my >>> > > > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in >>> > > > those >>> > > > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did >> not major >>> > > > any math related courses while in college. >>> > >>> > > You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics >>> > > and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. >>> >>> > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in >>> > all >>> > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended >>> > college. >>> >>> I respect everybody, Jason, until such time as they lie to my face... >>> as you have. How many papers on abiogenesis did you say you'd read? >>> >>> Martin >> >> I read an issue of National Geographic last week that had a detailed >> article related to evolution. Abiogenesis issues were mentioned in the >> article. They mentioned a man in that article named Phil Ginerich. Phil is >> an advocate of evolution. He has a "skeptical instinct" about evolution >> theory. He is not satisfied until he sees solid data. Source: Page 31--Nov >> 2004--National Geographic. I wish that the members of this newsgroup had a >> skeptical instinct about evolution theory. It appears that that many >> members have a high standard for evidence in regard to whether or not a >> person was healed by God. However, those same people have a LOW standard >> of evidence when it involves evidence related to bacteria evolving into >> mankind. Research that involved bacteria was discussed in the article >> mentioned above. There was no information in that article that indicated >> that bacteria (in those experiments) has ever evolved into a higher life >> form. >> Jason >> J > >I wish our Christians had at least a clue as to the existence of god. > Most Christians do. I have no evidence that Jason is a Christian. I don't think that Christians are supposed to keep telling lies. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:05:31 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071605310001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <cajai.665$s9.257@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0806070004200001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <1181280789.106035.58590@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to college. >> >> > None >> >> > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization >> >> > provided me with a college scholarship. >> >> >> >> You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you >> >> ashamed? >> >> >> >> > Before my senior year, I took >> >> > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational >> >> > agriculture. I >> >> > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team during >> >> > my >> >> > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in those >> >> > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did not >> >> > major >> >> > any math related courses while in college. >> >> >> >> You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics >> >> and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. >> >> >> >> Martin >> > >> > Martin, >> > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in all >> > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended college. >> > jason >> >> It doesn't show in your posts. > >Have you noticed that some of the people in this thread have a deep >prejudice against people that have never a college physics course while in >college or read books about quantum physics? They must really hate people >that have never attended college. > No, they don't. They have a well-seated opinion that liars are not worthy of respect. You, on the other hand, have said that you do respect someone because he is a liar. Quote
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