Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:11:51 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0706072211510001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181272488.197694.154470@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 8, 8:29 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <q1gmj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:42:49 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > >> > > > In article <7j2mj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> [snips] >> > >> > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:11:10 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> Again, you are just making excuses for being ignorant. The >fact that >> > > >> >> you respect Gish and Morris does not change the fact that they are >> > > >> >> lying frauds. >> > >> > > >> >> Martin >> > >> > > >> > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a >person that you >> > > >> > respected? >> > >> > > >> He, like me, is presumably the sort of person who grants respect >to those >> > > >> worthy of it. Gish is not such a person. >> > >> > > > You failed to answer this question: >> > >> > > > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person >that you >> > > > respected? >> > >> > > If he earned that by, say, consistently spewing known falsehoods, >> > > absolutely. >> > >> > Thanks for your answer. >> >> Jason, are you the sort of person who WOULDN'T turn your back on >> someone even when you knew he was a liar? What does that say about >> you? >> >> Martin > >Martin, >I don't believe that Dr. Gish is a liar. Gish is a liar. Your opinion doesn't matter. You are a fool for denying the fact that Gish lies, but that's your problem. >He may have made mis-statements >that he honestly believed were true statements. I have done the same >thing. Lots of people stood by Clinton when he stated, "I did not have sex >with that lady." Gish lies much more and much more repeatedly than Clinton did. >That was an intentional lie. As are the lies of Gish. You have been fooled because you want to be. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:23:53 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in <f4bopp$c20$4@news04.infoave.net>: >Jason wrote: >> In article <Q62ai.28573$JQ3.11226@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:Jason-0706071642500001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>> In article <7j2mj4-917.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [snips] >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:11:10 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Again, you are just making excuses for being ignorant. The fact that >>>>>>> you respect Gish and Morris does not change the fact that they are >>>>>>> lying frauds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Martin >>>>>> Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that >>>>>> you >>>>>> respected? >>>>> He, like me, is presumably the sort of person who grants respect to those >>>>> worthy of it. Gish is not such a person. >>>> You failed to answer this question: >>>> >>>> Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that you >>>> respected? >>> If I see that he no longer deserves my respect. Are you the type of person >>> who is so blinded by your suppositions that you fail to notice the flaws? >> >> I usually continue to respect them despite their flaws since I have flaws >> of my own. I don't require perfection. There are exceptions. I once had a >> co-worker (nat a close friend) that committed a crime and went to prison. >> I never visited him in prison. > >I.e. you turned your back on him. You have chosen to betray others by supporting a liar. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:57:44 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0706072157440001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181272702.909471.310840@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 8, 8:37 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <0p2h6399jniuu128m1j7hnr7mccd7kj...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:33:53 -0700, in alt.atheism >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> > > <Jason-0606072233530...@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> > > >In article <1181186644.427298.236...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >Martin >> > > ><phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Jun 7, 9:26 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> > In article <s4ee63l7m06snhrejmi5amp02dvhia4...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:04:19 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> > > >> > > <Jason-0606071304200...@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> > > >> > > >In article >> > >> > <1181115259.911064.176...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > ... >> > >> > > >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics >> > >> > > >> > > >> Aren't you embarassed by your lack of knowledge of physics? >> > It's not >> > > >> > > >> something a normal person would flaunt. >> > >> > > >> > > >No--there are millions of us. >> > >> > > >> > > At times you seem to be proud of your ignorance. Apparently >the Parable >> > > >> > > of the Talents is one of Jesus' parables that you do not know. >> > >> > > >> > Do you believe that everyone that has never taken a college >physics class >> > > >> > is ignorant? >> > >> > > >> By definition, yes. Can you point me to a college that doesn't offer >> > > >> any physics classes so that a student wouldn't have had an opportunity >> > > >> to take one? >> >> > > >Believe it or not--lots of students do not enjoy math classes as much as >> > > >you did when you was a college student. I hated math classes in high >> > > >school and hated Math 101 even more. >> > > >Jason >> > >> > > Do you reject the math that you chose not to learn? >> > >> > Funny--I did not reject it--I just hated it. Did you enjoy all of the >> > classes that you had to take your first year of college? >> >> Tell me, Jason, what was it exactly about learning that you didn't >> like? >> >> Martin > >Martin, >I enjoyed the literature class, psychology class, sociology class and >biology class. I probably would have liked college math classes if I had >taken 5 years of college prep math classes in high school. High School is four years long and Math 101 is for people who took Algebra (and Geometry). I'm starting to believe that you've made up everything about your history -- you've already proven that you will lie and that you admire liars. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:07:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071607110001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <Qjjai.676$s9.136@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >> >> > >> >> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your >> >> >interests. >> >> >> >> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >> >> that you are ignorant of? >> > >> > My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. >> >> Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? > >I have a skeptical instinct. > Disparagement is not scepticism. You are rude and a liar. You worship lies. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <jnjai.680$s9.145@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0706072025180001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <n1kmj4-917.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > >> > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:30:53 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > >> >> > According to the article that was written by Chuck Norris, the Texas > >> >> > Freedom Network is one of the liberal groups that is fighting at > >> >> > great > >> >> > expense to keep the Bible from being taught in public classrooms. > > > > Please re-read the portion of the above sentence that mentions "OTHER > > LIBERAL GROUPS. > > > > > > > >> >> TFN... ACLU. TFN... ACLU. Yup, they're obviously the same thing. > >> >> Just > >> >> like salt and sunshine are the same thing. > >> > > >> > According to the article, "...liberal groups are fighting at great > >> > expense > >> > to keep the Bible from being taught in public classrooms". > >> > >> And you said the ACLU was fighting this, yet the only reference I saw was > >> to the TFN. Surely even you can tell the difference. > >> > >> > It's difficult to brainwash public school students related to evolution > >> > theory, if intelligent design or courses related to the Bible are > >> > taught. > >> > >> Hey, I'm all for teaching ID theory and/or creation theory, on two > >> conditions: > >> > >> 1) They actually provide a theory, as science uses the term > >> 2) They actually examine the claims and evidence as science does > >> > >> The problem is, they don't even have a theory, so it's impossible to > >> teach > >> ID theory or creation theory. That, of course, ignores the other little > >> issue that they have never once, in my experience, treated the subjects > >> as > >> science. > >> > >> If you want to teach these things as religious notions, fine - feel free > >> to do so in Sunday school, not science class. > >> > >> > That, in my opinion, is the MAIN reason that liberal groups are > >> > fighting at great expense to keep the Bible and intelligent design out > >> > of the public school system. > >> > >> The fight is to keep a single religious notion out when it requires the > >> exclusion of others. > >> > >> It's like this: you want your creation story included in the science > >> class? Fine; let's do it, bring it on. However, in the spirit of fair > >> play, we will also have to include every other creation story in the > >> science class, and give them all equal time, equal footing. > >> > >> Assuming "science class" runs an hour a day, five days a week for 10 > >> months out of the year, we're looking at about 200 hours' worth of study > >> time, which means we might get through all the creation stories in > >> three > >> or four years, if we completely exclude all other science in the process. > >> > >> Hmm. That doesn't sound like a good idea. Here's a better idea: how > >> about we focus science classes on things which are actually science ? > >> Now, if you - or they - want to have some pet creation story included, > >> fine, bring it on... just be sure to demonstrate that it is, in fact, > >> science - that it includes a proper scientific theory or group of > >> theories, that it is falsifiable, that it has been tested and withstood > >> the testing, that it uses the tools and methodologies of science and so > >> forth. > >> > >> Well, that rules out creationism, pretty much in any flavor, along with > >> ID and the rest of it, doesn't it? > >> > >> We want to keep religion out of science class because religion is not > >> science . Simple as that. We may also want to keep religion out of > >> school in general, but there are different reasons for that. > >> > >> So you're dealing with _at least_ two completely different issues, > >> failing > >> to deal with either of them separately, failing to give a single reason > >> why your side should be allowed to have its way, completely and utterly > >> failing to give any reason at all to give your side so much as the time > >> of > >> day... but the fault is ours for not letting you play? Doesn't wash. > > > > I see no harm in letting students learn about intelligent design. > > Well great, when ID can present a real theory, instead of 'it's so great god > must have done it', then we can teach ID. Until then there is great harm in > teaching it. The main reason that evolutionists do NOT want ID taught in public schools is because it would interfere with their efforts to brainwash students into believing all aspects of evolution theory. There was a dictator that forced all children to attend state schools. The people started to rebell. He said something like this: "I'm not worried about this generation since I now have control over your children." Get my point. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <VXiai.656$s9.382@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0806071138310001@66-52-22-99.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <46692e3a$0$11765$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher > > Morris" <Draccus@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-0706071720230001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <4m5mj4-917.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> [snips] > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:10:45 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > The doctor confirmed that he pronounced that he was dead since he > >> >> > had > >> >> > NO > >> >> > blood pressure, no pulse and had achieved room temperature. > >> >> > >> >> Something just occurred to me... that the above indicates yet another > >> >> of > >> >> your basic problems; you have really lousy standards of evidence. You > >> >> see > >> >> a guy crawl out of a casket and conclude "miracle" rather than > >> >> "someone's > >> >> playing tricks." You use the least reliable means of determining > >> >> issues > >> >> such as death and then conclude "miracle". In each case you present, > >> >> you > >> >> demonstrate a complete inability to examine the case in a critical > >> >> light, > >> >> choosing the least analytical, most credulous approach you can find. > >> >> > >> >> Your case of the "healing", for example. You see that he was > >> >> (supposedly) > >> >> healed. Fine, great, marvelous... but you don't even consider > >> >> possible > >> >> natural causes, you simply discard even the possibility of a > >> >> non-theistic > >> >> explanation and conclude "god dunnit". > >> >> > >> >> What's funny about this in a sad and pathetic sort of way is that you > >> >> absolutely refuse to apply that credulity in an even-handed manner. > >> >> You > >> >> demand that science prove beyond doubt every jot and tittle of its > >> >> claims, > >> >> you reject the evidence out of hand when it's presented, but when it > >> >> comes > >> >> to god notions, you require virtually no actual support before you'll > >> >> believe absolutely. > >> >> > >> >> I'm not sure what you get out of this; it is certainly neither an > >> >> education nor the simple ability to say to yourself "Today, I acted in > >> >> a > >> >> good, honest way that shows the power of my faith", because you don't; > >> >> you > >> >> demonstrate the faith to be fragile, shallow, sitting atop a bed of > >> >> dishonesty. > >> >> > >> >> Personally, I couldn't base my entire life on a lie and still look at > >> >> myself in the morning. Maybe you can, but why would you want to? > >> > > >> > Your have high standards for evidence. Evolutionists claim that mankind > >> > evolved from a living cell. Please tell me all of the steps that took > >> > place between the the living cell and mankind. Since you have a high > >> > standard for evidence, you should be able to tell me each of those > >> > steps. > >> > Otherwise, you should stop claiming that evolutionist have evidence to > >> > indicate that mankind evolved from living cells. If you have a > >> > statistics > >> > program on your computer, calculate the mutations that were needed for > >> > living cells to evolve into mankind. > >> > Jason > >> > > >> > >> Jason all life including you started as one living cell that divided into > >> two that divided into four and ect. > > > > That is true but is unrelated to abiogenesis. According to evolution > > theory, the first living cells evolved naturally. > > Jason > > Evolution theory doesn't address that point. The advocates of abiogenesis claim that is the way that it happened. They claim that bacteria evolved into a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). They have faith that it happened that way. One person told me, "We have living cells so it's only logical to conclude that living cells evolved naturally. Is that evidence?? I don't think so. It would be great if more advocates of evolutionist had a skeptical instinct. Do you have a skeptical instinct or do you just believe the above information despite the lack of evidence? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:40:11 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806071640120001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <gkkai.3212$Da.1907@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0806071550350001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <Dfjai.671$s9.194@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article >> >> > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In article >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done >> >> >> > that, >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you >> >> >> had >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe >> >> >> about >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> > >> >> > God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> >> >> God can't heal anyone because he doesn't exist. If you take a look at the >> >> world and it's condition that is a pretty clear indicator that there is >> >> no >> >> benevolent god. >> > >> > God is still in control. His prophets predicted that the end times would >> > be really bad. Those prophets were correct. >> >> Jason, the end times have been here since Jesus was here. Jesus predicted he >> would be back 'soon'. He didn't show! > >Many Christians are hoping that it will happen very soon. You are >correct-Christions were hoping that he would return when I was a child. >Even the first generation of Christians expected Jesus to rapture out the >Christians. >Do you want to be left behind when the rapture takes place? I don't. Most Christians reject Rapture theology. Most Christians accept scientific evidence. Most Chrstians don't repeatedly tell lies after they have been called on those lies. Is there any reason for anyone to think you are a Christian? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 8, 2007 Posted June 8, 2007 In article <gkkai.3212$Da.1907@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-0806071550350001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <Dfjai.671$s9.194@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article > >> > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > >> > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In article > >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done > >> >> > that, > >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way > >> >> > that > >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > >> >> > >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you > >> >> had > >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe > >> >> about > >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > >> > > >> > God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > >> > >> God can't heal anyone because he doesn't exist. If you take a look at the > >> world and it's condition that is a pretty clear indicator that there is > >> no > >> benevolent god. > > > > God is still in control. His prophets predicted that the end times would > > be really bad. Those prophets were correct. > > Jason, the end times have been here since Jesus was here. Jesus predicted he > would be back 'soon'. He didn't show! Many Christians are hoping that it will happen very soon. You are correct-Christions were hoping that he would return when I was a child. Even the first generation of Christians expected Jesus to rapture out the Christians. Do you want to be left behind when the rapture takes place? I don't. Quote
Guest Atheist are Stooges Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message news:5aoj63dt3v89jpf1kldlshc22pg0l780r4@4ax.com... > On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:05:31 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-0806071605310001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <cajai.665$s9.257@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:Jason-0806070004200001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> > In article <1181280789.106035.58590@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, >>> > Martin >>> > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to >>> >> > college. >>> >> > None >>> >> > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization >>> >> > provided me with a college scholarship. >>> >> >>> >> You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you >>> >> ashamed? >>> >> >>> >> > Before my senior year, I took >>> >> > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational >>> >> > agriculture. I >>> >> > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team >>> >> > during >>> >> > my >>> >> > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in >>> >> > those >>> >> > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did not >>> >> > major >>> >> > any math related courses while in college. >>> >> >>> >> You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics >>> >> and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. >>> >> >>> >> Martin >>> > >>> > Martin, >>> > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in >>> > all >>> > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended >>> > college. >>> > jason >>> >>> It doesn't show in your posts. >> >>Have you noticed that some of the people in this thread have a deep >>prejudice against people that have never a college physics course while in >>college or read books about quantum physics? They must really hate people >>that have never attended college. >> > No, they don't. They have a well-seated opinion that liars are not > worthy of respect. You, on the other hand, have said that you do respect > someone because he is a liar. And let's not forget the talking monkeys, breathing rocks, flying pigs, and thinking mud of Evolution. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0806071607110001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <Qjjai.676$s9.136@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >> >> > >> >> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your >> >> >interests. >> >> >> >> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >> >> that you are ignorant of? >> > >> > My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. >> >> Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? > > I have a skeptical instinct. You know nothing and yet you are still skeptical??? Can't know any less than that. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0806071640120001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <gkkai.3212$Da.1907@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0806071550350001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <Dfjai.671$s9.194@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article >> >> > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In article >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >> >> >> > done >> >> >> > that, >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >> >> >> > way >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you >> >> >> had >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe >> >> >> about >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> > >> >> > God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> >> >> God can't heal anyone because he doesn't exist. If you take a look at >> >> the >> >> world and it's condition that is a pretty clear indicator that there >> >> is >> >> no >> >> benevolent god. >> > >> > God is still in control. His prophets predicted that the end times >> > would >> > be really bad. Those prophets were correct. >> >> Jason, the end times have been here since Jesus was here. Jesus predicted >> he >> would be back 'soon'. He didn't show! > > Many Christians are hoping that it will happen very soon. You are > correct-Christions were hoping that he would return when I was a child. > Even the first generation of Christians expected Jesus to rapture out the > Christians. > Do you want to be left behind when the rapture takes place? I don't. If that "rapture" ever occurs I'll be concerned. Since god doesn't exist I don't think I'll worry about the rapture. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0806071605310001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <cajai.665$s9.257@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0806070004200001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <1181280789.106035.58590@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, >> > Martin >> > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to >> >> > college. >> >> > None >> >> > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization >> >> > provided me with a college scholarship. >> >> >> >> You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you >> >> ashamed? >> >> >> >> > Before my senior year, I took >> >> > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational >> >> > agriculture. I >> >> > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team >> >> > during >> >> > my >> >> > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in >> >> > those >> >> > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did not >> >> > major >> >> > any math related courses while in college. >> >> >> >> You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics >> >> and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. >> >> >> >> Martin >> > >> > Martin, >> > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in >> > all >> > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended >> > college. >> > jason >> >> It doesn't show in your posts. > > Have you noticed that some of the people in this thread have a deep > prejudice against people that have never a college physics course while in > college or read books about quantum physics? They must really hate people > that have never attended college. I don't think that is the prejudice. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Atheist are Stooges" <Atheist.Stooges@Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4669edfb$0$492$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > > > "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > news:5aoj63dt3v89jpf1kldlshc22pg0l780r4@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:05:31 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0806071605310001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>In article <cajai.665$s9.257@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >>><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-0806070004200001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>> > In article <1181280789.106035.58590@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, >>>> > Martin >>>> > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to >>>> >> > college. >>>> >> > None >>>> >> > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization >>>> >> > provided me with a college scholarship. >>>> >> >>>> >> You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you >>>> >> ashamed? >>>> >> >>>> >> > Before my senior year, I took >>>> >> > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational >>>> >> > agriculture. I >>>> >> > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team >>>> >> > during >>>> >> > my >>>> >> > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in >>>> >> > those >>>> >> > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did >>>> >> > not >>>> >> > major >>>> >> > any math related courses while in college. >>>> >> >>>> >> You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no >>>> >> physics >>>> >> and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. >>>> >> >>>> >> Martin >>>> > >>>> > Martin, >>>> > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved >>>> > in all >>>> > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended >>>> > college. >>>> > jason >>>> >>>> It doesn't show in your posts. >>> >>>Have you noticed that some of the people in this thread have a deep >>>prejudice against people that have never a college physics course while >>>in >>>college or read books about quantum physics? They must really hate people >>>that have never attended college. >>> >> No, they don't. They have a well-seated opinion that liars are not >> worthy of respect. You, on the other hand, have said that you do respect >> someone because he is a liar. > > And let's not forget the talking monkeys, breathing rocks, flying pigs, > and thinking mud of Evolution. Crawl back under your rock, Asswipe. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0706072020490001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-099D0C.18305407062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-0706071218570001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > Only 12 percent of Americans believe that humans evolved from other > > > life-forms without any involvement of a God. > > > source: page 6--National Geographic--November 2004 > > > > Evidence of nothing except that 88% of Americans need to learn a thing > > or two about a thing or two. > > Perhaps they have. You missed the point, unsurprisingly. Opinion polls are NOT evidence about evolution, one way or the other. >It's very possible that lots of people that were > involved in that poll took high school and college biology classes. If so, > most of them rejected much of what the biology teachers and biology > professors told them. So? > I learned about evolution from a high school biology > teacher and a college biology professor. I accepted most aspects of > evolution theory such as natural selection but when the teacher and > professor tried to convince me that mankind evolved from a living cell--I > rejected that aspect of evolution theory. Perhaps millions of other people > have done the same thing. That could explain the above mentioned poll > result. Big deal. Humanity is, on average, not too bright. Case in point: YOU. You equate opinion polls with empirical evidence. You accept lies from lying liars as true because of their "accomplishments," whatever that means. This, sadly, is not all that uncommon. And that explains a lot. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0706072053010001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-85DA24.18220607062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-0606071752070001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > Google "miracle healings" and you may be able to find some testimonies > > > that will convince you that God is still healing people in much the same > > > way that he healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > > > "Miracle" is a weasel word. When someone gets better despite a dim > > prognosis, you and your kind would call it a "miracle healing"; when > > someone doesn't get better given the same prognosis, you and your kind > > will pretend that never happened. > > I look at it a different way. Sigh. Of course you do. > God can heal anyone that he wants to heal. Your own argument is unraveling. You want to use "miracle healings" as proof of a "God." But if someone is not healed, it's not evidence to the contrary; it is supposedly further evidence of that same "God," only in this case that "God" didn't want to heal the person. Trying to have it both ways? > He does not heal everyone. I know of a wonderful Christian that is a > paraplegic (spelling??). And "God" must exist, since "He" chose not to fix the non-functioning limbs, right? Dig yourself a little deeper, why don't you. > Thousands of people have prayed for her but she > still has not been healed. Have you heard of the most recent studies about the effectiveness of prayer in medicine? Fascinating stuff. Apparently prayer is at best ineffective and at worst harmful, statistically speaking. > I don't know why God has not healed her. Of course you don't. That would be too easy. > God > heals some people and does not heal other people. Even Jesus did not heal > everyone that he met that needed to be healed. God has his reasons but we > do not always know his reasons. Paul explained it this way, "We see > through a mirrow dimply, but one day [after we get to heaven] everything > will be clear to us." In other words, all of our questions such as why God > did not heal that lady will be answered. Dude, remember something: You're posting on alt.ATHEISM. Discussions about what your brand of god wants or doesn't want are not relevant... especially as supposed evidence that this brand of god exists. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0706072041380001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-90CB52.18170407062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-0706071642500001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <7j2mj4-917.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > [snips] > > > > > > > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:11:10 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Again, you are just making excuses for being ignorant. The fact > > > > >> that > > > > >> you respect Gish and Morris does not change the fact that they are > > > > >> lying frauds. > > > > >> > > > > >> Martin > > > > > > > > > > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person > that you > > > > > respected? > > > > > > > > He, like me, is presumably the sort of person who grants respect to > > > > those > > > > worthy of it. Gish is not such a person. > > > > > > You failed to answer this question: > > > > > > Are you the type of person that would turn your back on a person that you > > > respected? > > > > Deciding that a person's ideas cannot withstand the mildest critical > > scrutiny is not the same thing as turning one's back on that person. > > Have you ever considered the possibility that the reason people respect > Dr. Gish and Dr. Morris is because they are telling us things in their > books and debates that we already knew were true. I really don't care one way or another what people claimed they knew when they were reading these books. The fact is, Gish and Morris have been debunked inside-out and upside-down by basic critical analysis, and to resist that is to shut off one's own capacity for reason in order to allow the delusion of creation "science" (hah) flourish in one's head unhindered. I wouldn't mind this so much, except that far too many of you thought-phobic buggers are running things. Or blowing things up and killing people. Or all of the above. > For example, I already > knew that God created the solar system and life on this planet before I You didn't know that. You believed that. It's something your cult taught you. > even went to college. Millions of Christians also knew that God created Liar. They knew no such thing. > the solar system and life on this planet before they ever found out about > ICR and Intelligent Design. I first found out about Dr. Gish and ICR when > I puchased his fossil book in a Christian Book Store. When I read his In other words, you wanted to reinforce your cult-based delusions. You think I'm impressed by this? > book, it confirmed many of the things that I already knew were true. There But the ICR is an organization interested in perpetuating lies and running from inconvenient facts.... for political reasons. > are millions of Christians that are probably just like me. We respect Dr. Deluded, yes. > Gish and Dr. Morris since they are telling us things that we already knew This is incredible. Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds? I'm going to guess No. > were true. That is the main reason I will always respect them regardless > of what people tell me about them. I doubt that any of the staff members > at ICR even care what their critics say about them--their audience is > Christians. You have it completely circular and backwards... again. You can't say that these authors are writing the truth because you already know that they were writing the truth. It doesn't work that way. Well, in your cult it does. (Have fun with that.) In science, it does not. Every new book faces skeptics. People don't already assume that the author is telling the truth. Your hatred for the scientific process is obvious. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0706072027240001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-4643BC.18085307062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-0706071146180001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > It's my opinion that colleges should not discriminate professors that are > > > advocates of creation science. > > > > Only THERE IS NO CREATION SCIENCE. That phrase corrupts the word > > "science" to the point of annihilation. > > > > > Columbia does not discriminate against a > > > professor that teaches a class related to the history of witchcraft. > > > > Witchcraft does have a history. It has a past and present that can be > > studied. It is associated with cultures past and present. > > > > Creationism, again, has nothing to do with science. There is no > > creationist scientific hypothesis. > > Would you be in favor of a course entitled, "The history of creationism". If there's enough material it could be an interesting course on mythography and culture, I wouldn't oppose it being a religious studies elective. I think Christians would find it enlightening. They can see how their myth compares with those others. > Creationism does have a history. I know that. In my teaching days I introduced a number of creation myths side-by-side to an Englsh class. One was the Inuit story of the raven and the first man and woman. Then there were the two Genesis creation myths. And the Greek creation story, and so forth. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Jun 8, 9:15 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Martin Phipps wrote: > > On Jun 8, 5:55 pm, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> > > wrote: > >> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >>news:1181258112.140122.199820@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > > >>> On Jun 8, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>> It's my opinion that colleges should not discriminate professors that are > >>>> advocates of creation science. > >>> No such thing. > >>> Look, Jason, why are you here. In this thread, it has been proven > >>> that > >>> 1) God doesn't exist. > >> Just to play devil's advocate: God cannot be proven not exist by science or > >> this thread since this is not within the realm of science or this thread so > >> this statement is false. A belief in any God or Gods does not require that > >> Science or anyone prove it to make it a valid belief for those that hold > >> this view. > > > Jason himself proved that his god didn't exist when he listed a bunch > > of artifacts that showed how people used to believe in a wide variety > > of gods, including his own. Unless Jason also believes in Zeus, > > Shamash and Amon-Ra in addition to his own god then they must all be > > mythological. QED > > No, it just shows that they're LIKELY to all be mythological. It's > possible that there's really a god out there (but I'm not holding my > breath waiting for it to appear.) As long as the proposed god is > logically possible (doesn't have contradictory properties and ones like > Zeus don't that I can see) we can't completely rule out it's existence > (but we can show the odds are stacked greatly against it.) God (spelled with a capital G) refers to the Christian God which has been proven to be mythological. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Jun 9, 2:32 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181301145.679146.227...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 3:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1181280789.106035.58...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to > college. None > > > > > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization > > > > > provided me with a college scholarship. > > > > > You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you > > > > ashamed? > > > > > > Before my senior year, I took > > > > > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational > agriculture. I > > > > > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team during my > > > > > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in those > > > > > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did > not major > > > > > any math related courses while in college. > > > > > You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics > > > > and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. > > > > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in all > > > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended college. > > > I respect everybody, Jason, until such time as they lie to my face... > > as you have. How many papers on abiogenesis did you say you'd read? > I read an issue of National Geographic last week that had a detailed > article related to evolution. Abiogenesis issues were mentioned in the > article. No, Jason, a research paper, not some report in a magazine. A research paper is what you said you said you would read if there was any evidence for abiogenesis. Well, there is evidence. Why don't you go read the research papers like you promised you would? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Jun 9, 2:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181308684.166476.160...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 7, 12:58 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <glvlj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:08:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > In article <kt5kj4-ofp....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> [snips] > > > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:14:21 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> > I have a copy of the November 2004 issue of National Geographic > magazine. > > > > >> > On page 6, poll results were mentioned. "According to a Gallup > Pole that > > > > >> > was conducted in Feb., 2001, no less than 45 percent of responding US > > > > >> > adults agreed that God created humans pretty much in their > present form > > > > >> > within the last 10,000 years or so." ...."Only 12 percent > believed that > > > > >> > humans evolved from other life forms without any involvement > from God." > > > > > >> > It appears to me that more people in America agree with me than > > > agree with > > > > >> > you. In fact, only about 12 percent of Americans agree with you. > > > > > >> Are you really so stupid you think that you can vote God into > existence? > > > > > > I don't recall stating that I think that I can vote God into existence. > > > > > Are you assuming that I stated something that I did not state? > > > > > If you're not trying to do that, then it doesn't matter whether two people > > > > or twenty billion believe, the numbers are absolutely irrelevant. Yet you > > > > bring them up as if they do mean something, so yes, you do seem to think > > > > that simply counting noses establishes reality - that you can vote God > > > > into existence. > > > > I did not conduct the poll. Several people in various posts implied that I > > > was ignorant for not believing that humans evolved from a living cell. My > > > point was that millions of people agree with me. In fact, only about 12 > > > percent of the people agree with you. You may believe that your oldest > > > ancestor is a cell but I believe that my oldest ancestors were all human > > > beings. > > > Actually, I believe you are mistaken. Many of the 88% from your poll > > seem to believe in both God _and_ evolution, which is the mainstream > > Christian position. > > > You are also mistaken about reality - your oldest ancestors lived > > billions of years before anything like a human being existed. > I agree that lots of Christians believe in God and evolution. I believe in > God and in evolution. However, lots of Christians (myself included) don't > accept all aspects of evolution theory. For example, only about 12 percent > of us believe that mankind evolved from other life forms without any > involvement from God. God doesn't exist... and you can't simply vote him into existance. Martin Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 [snips] On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:19:24 -0700, Jason wrote: > You need to re-read the first chapter of the book of Genesis. Adam and Eve > were perfect and they were made in the image of God. God has tits and a dick? -- Stewie: Did you forge my name? How dare you! Is this backwards "S" supposed to be cute? I'm going to crap double for you tonight! Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done that, > > > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way that > > > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > > > You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you had > > been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe about > > who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. Did that smooth-talkin' salesman teach you to change the subject when asked a challenging question? I repeat: If you had been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe about who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? If you'd never heard of your demigod stick-boy, whom would you give credit for the so-called "miracle healings"? -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0806071602060001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <Kdjai.670$s9.480@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >In article > > >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> In article > > >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done > > >> >> > that, > > >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > >> >> > > >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you > > >> >> had > > >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe > > >> >> about > > >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > >> > > > >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > >> > > > >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > > >> religion. > > > > > > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had > > > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed > > > her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but > > > I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her > > > X-rays and medical records. > > > Jason > > > > How is it evidence that god did it? > > I know a lady that had one leg that was longer than the other leg. She was > a teenage girl and her parents were too poor to buy her special shoes. The > children in her school teased her on a daily basis. She begged God to heal > her. She attended a special "healing" church service. The evangelist > prayed that she would be healed. The following morning both of her legs > were the same size. Do I have evidence to prove that God healed her. Her > testimony is enough evidence (that God did it) for me but I doubt that it > would be enough evidence for you or almost anyone else in this newsgroup. > The blind man that Jesus healed stated to the critics of Jesus: "Before I > was blind and now I can see." That woman could say, "Before one leg was > longer than my other leg but now both of my legs are the same size." > Jason Still no evidence that any gods did it. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article >> >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In article >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >done that, >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >way that >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you had >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe about >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> > >> >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> > >> >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> >> religion. >> > >> >I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >> >one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed >> >her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but >> >I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >> >X-rays and medical records. >> >> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >> >> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was >> involved. > >How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have only your unreliable word about it. Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:52:01 -0400, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: - Refer: <Qjjai.676$s9.136@bignews3.bellsouth.net> > >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> ... >>> >>> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >>> > >>> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your >>> >interests. >>> >>> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >>> that you are ignorant of? >> >> My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. > >Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? Because he is a pure fraud. -- Quote
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