Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 Martin Phipps wrote: > On Jun 8, 9:15 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> Martin Phipps wrote: >>> On Jun 8, 5:55 pm, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> >>> wrote: >>>> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1181258112.140122.199820@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jun 8, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> It's my opinion that colleges should not discriminate professors that are >>>>>> advocates of creation science. >>>>> No such thing. >>>>> Look, Jason, why are you here. In this thread, it has been proven >>>>> that >>>>> 1) God doesn't exist. >>>> Just to play devil's advocate: God cannot be proven not exist by science or >>>> this thread since this is not within the realm of science or this thread so >>>> this statement is false. A belief in any God or Gods does not require that >>>> Science or anyone prove it to make it a valid belief for those that hold >>>> this view. >>> Jason himself proved that his god didn't exist when he listed a bunch >>> of artifacts that showed how people used to believe in a wide variety >>> of gods, including his own. Unless Jason also believes in Zeus, >>> Shamash and Amon-Ra in addition to his own god then they must all be >>> mythological. QED "Then they ALL must be mythological." >> No, it just shows that they're LIKELY to all be mythological. It's >> possible that there's really a god out there (but I'm not holding my >> breath waiting for it to appear.) As long as the proposed god is >> logically possible (doesn't have contradictory properties and ones like >> Zeus don't that I can see) we can't completely rule out it's existence >> (but we can show the odds are stacked greatly against it.) > > God (spelled with a capital G) refers to the Christian God which has > been proven to be mythological. THAT god might have been proven impossible but not all gods. I, personally, don't have a belief that any gods do exist. But that's not the same as saying they've ALL (both the proposed gods and any god that someone might propose in the future) been proven to be impossible. Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <Qjjai.676$s9.136@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4ardd@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-0706071803200001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>> In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9leb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>>>> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? >>>>> I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your >>>>> interests. >>>> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science >>>> that you are ignorant of? >>> My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. >> Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? > > I have a skeptical instinct. What Jason's trying to say is "I don't like it, it's boring, I don't understand it. Thus it must be wrong." Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. > It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. No, they attach you because you're so willfully stupid. I don't > really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and > click to the next post. I don't hate anyone. I would add a line to above-- > > It's their belief in God which drives them to relentlessly attack Him AND > THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIS FOLLOWERS. See? That's example of how you're so willfully stupid. It's been told to you, in the very post that you were responding to, that "[an atheist] can't hate what doesn't exist" and yet you ignore that and claim that we "attack Him." CAN you attack or hate Zeus? CAN you attack the fairies in your garden? CAN you attack the pink elephant on your desk? Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Jun 9, 9:10 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Martin Phipps wrote: > > On Jun 8, 9:15 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Martin Phipps wrote: > >>> On Jun 8, 5:55 pm, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:1181258112.140122.199820@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> On Jun 8, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>> It's my opinion that colleges should not discriminate professors that are > >>>>>> advocates of creation science. > >>>>> No such thing. > >>>>> Look, Jason, why are you here. In this thread, it has been proven > >>>>> that > >>>>> 1) God doesn't exist. > >>>> Just to play devil's advocate: God cannot be proven not exist by science or > >>>> this thread since this is not within the realm of science or this thread so > >>>> this statement is false. A belief in any God or Gods does not require that > >>>> Science or anyone prove it to make it a valid belief for those that hold > >>>> this view. > >>> Jason himself proved that his god didn't exist when he listed a bunch > >>> of artifacts that showed how people used to believe in a wide variety > >>> of gods, including his own. Unless Jason also believes in Zeus, > >>> Shamash and Amon-Ra in addition to his own god then they must all be > >>> mythological. QED > > "Then they ALL must be mythological." > > >> No, it just shows that they're LIKELY to all be mythological. It's > >> possible that there's really a god out there (but I'm not holding my > >> breath waiting for it to appear.) As long as the proposed god is > >> logically possible (doesn't have contradictory properties and ones like > >> Zeus don't that I can see) we can't completely rule out it's existence > >> (but we can show the odds are stacked greatly against it.) > > > God (spelled with a capital G) refers to the Christian God which has > > been proven to be mythological. > > THAT god might have been proven impossible but not all gods. Fine. Now your are using "god" with a small g. You need to define what you mean by that. Are Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise gods? Then gods exist. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 > Jason wrote: > > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > > this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. > > It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. I don't > > really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and > > click to the next post. You've obviously been doing this from the very beginning. Even when you respond with "I agree" or "Good point" it is clear that you never read the post in question. > > I don't hate anyone. You keep telling yourself that and you might believe it. Martin Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0806072102410001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-4AA6C5.19390408062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > I repeat: If you had been raised in a Hindu community, what do you > > think you'd believe about who/what was responsible for "miracle > > healings"? > I don't know. Of course you don't. > The only foreign country that I have visited is Mexico. Talk about limited horizons! > There are Christians in almost every country in the world so I would hope > that I would become a Christian. You are hoping now that you would have been a Christian back then ? What sort of convoluted hypothetical wishful thinking is that? The fact is, you would likely have been raised a Hindu, and, if you came upon what you would perceive as a "miracle healing," you would see it from the Hindu perspective, not the Christian one. This is where your whole argument in favor of Christianity falls apart, even if you could somehow make a case for a "miracle" event. Something supposedly miraculous happens, and you react based on your current prejudices, not based on any reasoned analysis of the occurrence. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest James Dale Guckert Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <f4bkbr$7tm$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > I'm talking about the same healing. Prove that it wasn't I who healed > this young man who's doctor was Dr. Dino Delaportas. I can prove it. I was the one who healed him. -- James Guckert / Rich Gannon / Whore for Bush Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>> In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>> In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>>>> In article >>>>>>> <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >>>>>>> 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >>> done that, >>>>>>>>> you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >>> way that >>>>>>>>> God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >>>>>>>> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > you had >>>>>>>> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd > believe about >>>>>>>> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >>>>>>> God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >>>>>>> >>>>>> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >>>>>> religion. >>>>> I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >>>>> one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed >>>>> her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but >>>>> I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >>>>> X-rays and medical records. >>>> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >>>> >>>> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was >>>> involved. >>> How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have >> only your unreliable word about it. > > I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed > testimony when she visited our church last year. > > Here is a brief version of her testimony: > > In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was > crowned Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 James Dale Guckert wrote: > In article <f4bkbr$7tm$1@news04.infoave.net>, > Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> I'm talking about the same healing. Prove that it wasn't I who healed >> this young man who's doctor was Dr. Dino Delaportas. > > I can prove it. > > I was the one who healed him. Hey, quit taking false credit for my healings! I was here FIRST! Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 20:32, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181301145.679146.227...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 3:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1181280789.106035.58...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to > college. None > > > > > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization > > > > > provided me with a college scholarship. > > > > > You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you > > > > ashamed? > > > > > > Before my senior year, I took > > > > > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational > agriculture. I > > > > > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team during my > > > > > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information in those > > > > > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did > not major > > > > > any math related courses while in college. > > > > > You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics > > > > and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. > > > > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people involved in all > > > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended college. > > > I respect everybody, Jason, until such time as they lie to my face... > > as you have. How many papers on abiogenesis did you say you'd read? > > > Martin > > I read an issue of National Geographic last week that had a detailed > article related to evolution. Abiogenesis issues were mentioned in the > article. They mentioned a man in that article named Phil Ginerich. Phil is > an advocate of evolution. He has a "skeptical instinct" about evolution > theory. He is not satisfied until he sees solid data. Source: Page 31--Nov > 2004--National Geographic. I wish that the members of this newsgroup had a > skeptical instinct about evolution theory. It appears that that many > members have a high standard for evidence in regard to whether or not a > person was healed by God. Why do you keep pretending that you have evidence for that? >However, those same people have a LOW standard > of evidence when it involves evidence related to bacteria evolving into > mankind. Research that involved bacteria was discussed in the article > mentioned above. There was no information in that article that indicated > that bacteria (in those experiments) has ever evolved into a higher life > form. Why would you expect evidence for something that was not being claimed? Stop being such a dishonest coward. Jason > J- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 20:38, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <46692e3a$0$11765$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher > > > > > > Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-0706071720230001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <4m5mj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:10:45 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > >> > The doctor confirmed that he pronounced that he was dead since he had > > >> > NO > > >> > blood pressure, no pulse and had achieved room temperature. > > > >> Something just occurred to me... that the above indicates yet another of > > >> your basic problems; you have really lousy standards of evidence. You > > >> see > > >> a guy crawl out of a casket and conclude "miracle" rather than "someone's > > >> playing tricks." You use the least reliable means of determining issues > > >> such as death and then conclude "miracle". In each case you present, you > > >> demonstrate a complete inability to examine the case in a critical light, > > >> choosing the least analytical, most credulous approach you can find. > > > >> Your case of the "healing", for example. You see that he was > > >> (supposedly) > > >> healed. Fine, great, marvelous... but you don't even consider possible > > >> natural causes, you simply discard even the possibility of a non-theistic > > >> explanation and conclude "god dunnit". > > > >> What's funny about this in a sad and pathetic sort of way is that you > > >> absolutely refuse to apply that credulity in an even-handed manner. You > > >> demand that science prove beyond doubt every jot and tittle of its > > >> claims, > > >> you reject the evidence out of hand when it's presented, but when it > > >> comes > > >> to god notions, you require virtually no actual support before you'll > > >> believe absolutely. > > > >> I'm not sure what you get out of this; it is certainly neither an > > >> education nor the simple ability to say to yourself "Today, I acted in a > > >> good, honest way that shows the power of my faith", because you don't; > > >> you > > >> demonstrate the faith to be fragile, shallow, sitting atop a bed of > > >> dishonesty. > > > >> Personally, I couldn't base my entire life on a lie and still look at > > >> myself in the morning. Maybe you can, but why would you want to? > > > > Your have high standards for evidence. Evolutionists claim that mankind > > > evolved from a living cell. Please tell me all of the steps that took > > > place between the the living cell and mankind. Since you have a high > > > standard for evidence, you should be able to tell me each of those steps. > > > Otherwise, you should stop claiming that evolutionist have evidence to > > > indicate that mankind evolved from living cells. If you have a statistics > > > program on your computer, calculate the mutations that were needed for > > > living cells to evolve into mankind. > > > Jason > > > Jason all life including you started as one living cell that divided into > > two that divided into four and ect. > > That is true but is unrelated to abiogenesis. According to evolution > theory, the first living cells evolved naturally. > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 20:44, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181308684.166476.160...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 7, 12:58 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <glvlj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:08:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > In article <kt5kj4-ofp....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> [snips] > > > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:14:21 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> > I have a copy of the November 2004 issue of National Geographic > magazine. > > > > >> > On page 6, poll results were mentioned. "According to a Gallup > Pole that > > > > >> > was conducted in Feb., 2001, no less than 45 percent of responding US > > > > >> > adults agreed that God created humans pretty much in their > present form > > > > >> > within the last 10,000 years or so." ...."Only 12 percent > believed that > > > > >> > humans evolved from other life forms without any involvement > from God." > > > > > >> > It appears to me that more people in America agree with me than > > > agree with > > > > >> > you. In fact, only about 12 percent of Americans agree with you. > > > > > >> Are you really so stupid you think that you can vote God into > existence? > > > > > > I don't recall stating that I think that I can vote God into existence. > > > > > Are you assuming that I stated something that I did not state? > > > > > If you're not trying to do that, then it doesn't matter whether two people > > > > or twenty billion believe, the numbers are absolutely irrelevant. Yet you > > > > bring them up as if they do mean something, so yes, you do seem to think > > > > that simply counting noses establishes reality - that you can vote God > > > > into existence. > > > > I did not conduct the poll. Several people in various posts implied that I > > > was ignorant for not believing that humans evolved from a living cell.. My > > > point was that millions of people agree with me. In fact, only about 12 > > > percent of the people agree with you. You may believe that your oldest > > > ancestor is a cell but I believe that my oldest ancestors were all human > > > beings. > > > Actually, I believe you are mistaken. Many of the 88% from your poll > > seem to believe in both God _and_ evolution, which is the mainstream > > Christian position. > > > You are also mistaken about reality - your oldest ancestors lived > > billions of years before anything like a human being existed. > > > - Bob T. > > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Bob, > I agree that lots of Christians believe in God and evolution. I believe in > God and in evolution. However, lots of Christians (myself included) don't > accept all aspects of evolution theory. For example, only about 12 percent > of us believe that mankind evolved from other life forms without any > involvement from God. God's involvement or non-involvement is not part of the evolutionary theory. Are you never ashamed about all the lies you tell? > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 21:03, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181300770.241675.218...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2:48 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1181277828.586709.304...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 12:51 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > <1181272114.692901.148...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 8, 8:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Your have high standards for evidence. Evolutionists claim > that mankind > > > > > > > evolved from a living cell. Please tell me all of the steps > that took > > > > > > > place between the the living cell and mankind. > > > > > > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > > > > > > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > > > > > reproduction) > > > > > > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > > > > > > survival) > > > > > > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > > > > > > function) > > > > > > STEP 5 Vertibrates (example: fish) > > > > > > STEP 6 Amphibians (example: frog) > > > > > > STEP 7 Reptiles (example: lizard) > > > > > > STEP 8 Mammals (example: mouse) > > > > > > STEP 9 Primates (example: chimpanzee) > > > > > > STEP 10 Man (examples: me and you) > > > > > > Calculate the millions of positive mutations that would have been > required > > > > > to get from step 1 to step 10. > > > > > You asked that question before. The answer was that we have no upper > > > > bound on how many mutations could have occured because we have no way > > > > of knowing exactly how many mutations occured that ended up not being > > > > beneficial. That being said, we know that mutations occur to this day > > > > and that the rate at which mutations occur, given three and a half > > > > billion years and multiple extinction events in the meantime, does > > > > account for the diversity of life we see today. > > > > > If you really respected any of us then you would respond to our > > > > answers rather than claiming (ie lying) we never answered your > > > > questions and asking them all over again. > > > > Yes, we see mutations today. However, the mutations we see are VERY > > > different than the types of mutations that would be required for a fish to > > > evolve into a frog or for a reptile to evolve into a mammal. > > > Wrong! Look at the fossil record: we have fish with lungs, reptiles > > with feathers, whales with legs and men with small heads (or are they > > monkeys? It's so hard to tell). Evolution occurs one step at a time. > > > Once again you are talking about a subject you obviously know NOTHING > > about. All you know are the lies Gish and Morris fed you. > > > Martin > > It would be great if more of the advocates of evolution had skeptical > instincts and had high standards of evidence. They have a high standard of > evidence when evaluating whether or not God healed a young man that once > needed a wheelchair but is now able to walk. However, they have a low > standard for evidence when they evaluate research projects that have been > done in relation to bacteria. If they done that, they would realize that > none of those research projects have proved that bacteria has evolved into > a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 21:12, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181324999.455581.39...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 11:32 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1181301145.679146.227...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 3:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1181280789.106035.58...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > My parents were very poor and could not afford to send me to > > > college. None > > > > > > > of my brothers or sister went to college. A Christian organization > > > > > > > provided me with a college scholarship. > > > > > > > You took their money and failed to learn anything. Aren't you > > > > > > ashamed? > > > > > > > > Before my senior year, I took > > > > > > > courses in things like wood shop, metal shop and vocational > > > agriculture. I > > > > > > > played on the football team, baseball team and basketball team > during my > > > > > > > last three years of high school. I learned lots of information > in those > > > > > > > shop classes. You seem to be prejudiced against anyone that did > > > not major > > > > > > > any math related courses while in college. > > > > > > > You know no math, no history, no biology, no chemistry and no physics > > > > > > and you are prejudiced against anyone who does. > > > > > > Not true--thank goodness for doctors, engineers and people > involved in all > > > > > other professions. I also respect people that never even attended > college. > > > > > I respect everybody, Jason, until such time as they lie to my face.... > > > > as you have. How many papers on abiogenesis did you say you'd read? > > > > > Martin > > > > I read an issue of National Geographic last week that had a detailed > > > article related to evolution. Abiogenesis issues were mentioned in the > > > article. They mentioned a man in that article named Phil Ginerich. Phil is > > > an advocate of evolution. He has a "skeptical instinct" about evolution > > > theory. He is not satisfied until he sees solid data. Source: Page 31--Nov > > > 2004--National Geographic. I wish that the members of this newsgroup had a > > > skeptical instinct about evolution theory. > > > We do. We have every bit as much skepticism about scientific claims > > as we do about religious claims. However, it turns out that the > > physical evidence for evolution is so vast that it is impossible for a > > reaonable person who studies the subject to deny the reality of > > evolution. We may never know all the details, but there is no > > questoin that human beings, along with apes, snails and redwood trees, > > all have a common ancestor. > > > > It appears that that many > > > members have a high standard for evidence in regard to whether or not a > > > person was healed by God. However, those same people have a LOW standard > > > of evidence when it involves evidence related to bacteria evolving into > > > mankind. > > > Wrong. We have a high standard of evidence for everything, and even > > by that standard evolution is an unquestionable fact. If God created > > humans, it is crystal clear that evolution is the tool He used. > > > > Research that involved bacteria was discussed in the article > > > mentioned above. There was no information in that article that indicated > > > that bacteria (in those experiments) has ever evolved into a higher life > > > form. > > > I read an article about George W. Bush the other day, and it didn't > > mention that his mother's name was "Barbara". In other words, not > > every article mentions every true fact about a subject. We know that > > bacteria evolves - people have died because of bacteria that have > > evolved immunity to antibiotics. > > > - Bob T. > > The article that I read confirmed what you stated in your post about > bacteria. My point was that the experiments with bacteria have never > provided evidence which indicate that bacteria can evolve into a single > animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 21:19, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181325227.330987.16...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 11:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1181308684.166476.160...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 7, 12:58 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <glvlj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:08:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <kt5kj4-ofp....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> [snips] > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:14:21 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > >> > I have a copy of the November 2004 issue of National Geographic > > > magazine. > > > > > > >> > On page 6, poll results were mentioned. "According to a Gallup > > > Pole that > > > > > > >> > was conducted in Feb., 2001, no less than 45 percent of > responding US > > > > > > >> > adults agreed that God created humans pretty much in their > > > present form > > > > > > >> > within the last 10,000 years or so." ...."Only 12 percent > > > believed that > > > > > > >> > humans evolved from other life forms without any involvement > > > from God." > > > > > > > >> > It appears to me that more people in America agree with me than > > > > > agree with > > > > > > >> > you. In fact, only about 12 percent of Americans agree with you. > > > > > > > >> Are you really so stupid you think that you can vote God into > > > existence? > > > > > > > > I don't recall stating that I think that I can vote God into > existence. > > > > > > > Are you assuming that I stated something that I did not state? > > > > > > > If you're not trying to do that, then it doesn't matter whether > two people > > > > > > or twenty billion believe, the numbers are absolutely > > irrelevant. Yet you > > > > > > > > > > > bring them up as if they do mean something, so yes, you do > seem to think > > > > > > that simply counting noses establishes reality - that you can vote God > > > > > > into existence. > > > > > > I did not conduct the poll. Several people in various posts > implied that I > > > > > was ignorant for not believing that humans evolved from a living > cell. My > > > > > point was that millions of people agree with me. In fact, only about 12 > > > > > percent of the people agree with you. You may believe that your oldest > > > > > ancestor is a cell but I believe that my oldest ancestors were all human > > > > > beings. > > > > > Actually, I believe you are mistaken. Many of the 88% from your poll > > > > seem to believe in both God _and_ evolution, which is the mainstream > > > > Christian position. > > > > > You are also mistaken about reality - your oldest ancestors lived > > > > billions of years before anything like a human being existed. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Bob, > > > I agree that lots of Christians believe in God and evolution. I believe in > > > God and in evolution. However, lots of Christians (myself included) don't > > > accept all aspects of evolution theory. For example, only about 12 percent > > > of us believe that mankind evolved from other life forms without any > > > involvement from God. > > > Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically > > because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a > > physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors > > with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is > > overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, > > that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings > > clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great > > Apes. > > > - Bob T. > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 22:54, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181331557.751428.128...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 12:19 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically > > > > because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a > > > > physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors > > > > with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is > > > > overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, > > > > that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings > > > > clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great > > > > Apes. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind > > > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth > > > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans > > > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. > > > "Some of the features"??? You clearly don't understand. Humans and > > chimps share 97% of our DNA. Gorillas are only slightly less related > > to humans, then the other apes are slightly less similar, then the > > other primates are still slightly less similar, etc. etc. All of life > > on this planet is clearly related, including humans. There was no > > separate creation of the humans species - our relatedness to the other > > apes is clearly established by the facts. > > > Why are you clinging so tightly to the Genesis myth? There is no need > > to believe in it in order to believe that God created everything. > > Humans are clearly apes who passed a certain threshold of intelligence > > and became self-aware and able to think abstract thoughts like "who > > created us". If you want to believe that God nudged evolution so as > > to produce beings intelligent enough to believe in Him, that's fine - > > but to believe in a separate Creation for humans you have to leave > > logic and reason behind. > > > - Bob T. > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Only about 12 percent of Americans would agree with you. So what? What possible relevance does that have? Surprise me and answer the question. Overwhelme me by answering the question honestly. Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 8 Jun., 22:27, "Ralph" <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:Jason-0806071219000001@66-52-22-99.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > > > > In article <1181325227.330987.16...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > >> On Jun 8, 11:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <1181308684.166476.160...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >> > "Bob > > >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> > > On Jun 7, 12:58 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > In article <glvlj4-917....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > >> > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:08:00 -0700, Jason wrote: > > >> > > > > > In article <kt5kj4-ofp....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey > >> > > > > > Bjarnason > >> > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> [snips] > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:14:21 -0700, Jason wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > I have a copy of the November 2004 issue of National > >> > > > > >> > Geographic > >> > magazine. > >> > > > > >> > On page 6, poll results were mentioned. "According to a > >> > > > > >> > Gallup > >> > Pole that > >> > > > > >> > was conducted in Feb., 2001, no less than 45 percent of > > responding US > >> > > > > >> > adults agreed that God created humans pretty much in their > >> > present form > >> > > > > >> > within the last 10,000 years or so." ...."Only 12 percent > >> > believed that > >> > > > > >> > humans evolved from other life forms without any involvement > >> > from God." > > >> > > > > >> > It appears to me that more people in America agree with me > >> > > > > >> > than > >> > > > agree with > >> > > > > >> > you. In fact, only about 12 percent of Americans agree with > >> > > > > >> > you. > > >> > > > > >> Are you really so stupid you think that you can vote God > >> > > > > >> into > >> > existence? > > >> > > > > > I don't recall stating that I think that I can vote God into > > existence. > >> > > > > > Are you assuming that I stated something that I did not state? > > >> > > > > If you're not trying to do that, then it doesn't matter whether > > two people > >> > > > > or twenty billion believe, the numbers are absolutely > > irrelevant. Yet you > >> > > > > bring them up as if they do mean something, so yes, you do > > seem to think > >> > > > > that simply counting noses establishes reality - that you can > >> > > > > vote God > >> > > > > into existence. > > >> > > > I did not conduct the poll. Several people in various posts > > implied that I > >> > > > was ignorant for not believing that humans evolved from a living > > cell. My > >> > > > point was that millions of people agree with me. In fact, only > >> > > > about 12 > >> > > > percent of the people agree with you. You may believe that your > >> > > > oldest > >> > > > ancestor is a cell but I believe that my oldest ancestors were all > >> > > > human > >> > > > beings. > > >> > > Actually, I believe you are mistaken. Many of the 88% from your poll > >> > > seem to believe in both God _and_ evolution, which is the mainstream > >> > > Christian position. > > >> > > You are also mistaken about reality - your oldest ancestors lived > >> > > billions of years before anything like a human being existed. > > >> > > - Bob T. > > >> > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > Bob, > >> > I agree that lots of Christians believe in God and evolution. I believe > >> > in > >> > God and in evolution. However, lots of Christians (myself included) > >> > don't > >> > accept all aspects of evolution theory. For example, only about 12 > >> > percent > >> > of us believe that mankind evolved from other life forms without any > >> > involvement from God. > > >> Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically > >> because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a > >> physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors > >> with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is > >> overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, > >> that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings > >> clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great > >> Apes. > > >> - Bob T. > > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind > > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth > > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans > > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. > > Jason > > Makes you wonder why he didn't, doesn't it Jason.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On 9 Jun., 10:59, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> wrote: > <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1181302593.162819.77870@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On 8 Jun., 12:21, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> > > wrote: > >> Snipped for space. > >> ">> Only 12 percent of Americans believe that humans evolved from other > > >> >> life-forms without any involvement of a God. > >> >> source: page 6--National Geographic--November 2004 > > >> > Still no evidence though. > > >> > Martin > > >> This seems to be a constant issue; both science and religion have areas > >> to > >> which they speak very well. They each have their own forts and when they > >> remain within their purviews, they do well. It is only when science > >> attempts > >> to speak to matters of religion or religion to matters of science that > >> both > >> fail to accomplish anything but mudding the waters. Both have a place in > >> our > >> society and both need to maintain within their own bulwarks and not one > >> another's. Science does not have anything to say with regards to the > >> existence or non-existence of any divine force it is totally outside it's > >> realm of influence and expertise, but the same goes for religion trying > >> to > >> make science conform to its dogma and mythos it cannot do so without > >> hurting > >> itself and making all those of faith look foolish. So, let science deal > >> with > >> science let religion deal with matters of faith and let us all just get > >> along. > > > How is that done without religions giving up nearly all of their > > doctrines beyond claiming that some kind of god exists? > > They need not give up anything at all being as the Divine cannot be proven > nor disproven by science; But many of their doctrines concern the physical world. Claiming some kind of god exists would be beyone testing, but many of their doctrines would not be. What would be left? >therefore, it need not concern itself with such > things. Religion need not worry about matters of science all that is needed > is to recognize the forts of each group. Science is best suited to dealing > with and explaining the natural world as it exists, though quantum physics > and string theory can at times seem to have some crossover. Religion deals > with matters of faith and the human condition. Religion does not require > science to validate its worth anymore than the divine needs anyone to > believe it exists. You are ignoring what religions teach in the real world. >Either we choose to believe or we choose not to believe. > The key will be to respect the boundaries and not attempt to horn into too > much on either parties bulwark. With respect and understanding comes growth > and knowledge. Knowledge of the world we live in and knowledge of the > completely self-including that part of the self that science is at a loss to > explain the spiritual self. The Greeks had the right idea they strove to > maintain a balance of the body the mind and the spirit, this is a lesson we > moderns can relearn from them. I have been wondering as of late how it is > anyone could think they could demand that divine prove it exists it is truly > the height of hubris that any would assume to make such a demand, but it is > also the hubris that we should demand science stop asking why because it > might threaten our faith. If your faith is so weak it cannot withstand > questioning then you have no faith at all. For me at least it does not > matter if others believe as I do or not they may choose to do so or they may > chose not to, but either way it will not change my faith. We each choose the > path that is best for us to follow and whatever that path may, be it is the > path I hope is best for us all.- Then there are the actual sects with their actual teachings about the physical universe. Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <f4ec7t$56g$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in >>> this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. >>> It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. >> No, they attach you because you're so willfully stupid. >> >> I don't >>> really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and >>> click to the next post. I don't hate anyone. I would add a line to above-- >>> >>> It's their belief in God which drives them to relentlessly attack Him AND >>> THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIS FOLLOWERS. >> See? That's example of how you're so willfully stupid. It's been told to >> you, in the very post that you were responding to, that "[an atheist] >> can't hate what doesn't exist" and yet you ignore that and claim that we >> "attack Him." CAN you attack or hate Zeus? CAN you attack the fairies in >> your garden? CAN you attack the pink elephant on your desk? > > Can you attack the people that are the followers of God? Yes Can you actually read what's written and comprehend it? No. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <f4env7$he5$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > James Dale Guckert wrote: > > In article <f4bkbr$7tm$1@news04.infoave.net>, > > Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm talking about the same healing. Prove that it wasn't I who healed > >> this young man who's doctor was Dr. Dino Delaportas. > > > > I can prove it. > > > > I was the one who healed him. > > Hey, quit taking false credit for my healings! I was here FIRST! Irrelevant. What matters more is whose army says who the true healer is. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <f4ektn$ec1$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>> In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>>>> In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>>>> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>> <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >>>>>>>>> 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >>>>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >>>>> done that, >>>>>>>>>>> you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >>>>> way that >>>>>>>>>>> God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >>>>>>>>>> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If >>> you had >>>>>>>>>> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd >>> believe about >>>>>>>>>> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >>>>>>>>> God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >>>>>>>> religion. >>>>>>> I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >>>>>>> one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > healed >>>>>>> her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence > to me but >>>>>>> I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >>>>>>> X-rays and medical records. >>>>>> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >>>>>> >>>>>> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was >>>>>> involved. >>>>> How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >>>> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have >>>> only your unreliable word about it. >>> I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed >>> testimony when she visited our church last year. >>> >>> Here is a brief version of her testimony: >>> >>> In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was >>> crowned Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071218000001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-17A670.09060209062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-0806072102410001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > > <DipthotDipthot-4AA6C5.19390408062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > I repeat: If you had been raised in a Hindu community, what do you > > > > think you'd believe about who/what was responsible for "miracle > > > > healings"? > > > > > I don't know. > > > > Of course you don't. > > > > > The only foreign country that I have visited is Mexico. > > > > Talk about limited horizons! > > > > > There are Christians in almost every country in the world so I would hope > > > that I would become a Christian. > > > > You are hoping now that you would have been a Christian back then ? > > > > What sort of convoluted hypothetical wishful thinking is that? > > > > The fact is, you would likely have been raised a Hindu, and, if you came > > upon what you would perceive as a "miracle healing," you would see it > > from the Hindu perspective, not the Christian one. > > > > This is where your whole argument in favor of Christianity falls apart, > > even if you could somehow make a case for a "miracle" event. > > > > Something supposedly miraculous happens, and you react based on your > > current prejudices, not based on any reasoned analysis of the occurrence. > > I believe that God can heal people regardless of their religion. What you believe, pal, is beside the point, and generally worthless. You have stated outright that you respect liars more than you do obvious facts. > When Jesus was on this earth, There was no evidence that such a thing occurred, unless you're talking about the scores of guys named Jesus throughout history. If you're talking about the demigod stickboy.... I don't believe in fairy tales. > he healed the servant of a Roman soldier. yawn ... more fairy tales. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071231070001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <f4ec7t$56g$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > > > this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. > > > It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. > > > > No, they attach you because you're so willfully stupid. > > > > I don't > > > really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and > > > click to the next post. I don't hate anyone. I would add a line to above-- > > > > > > It's their belief in God which drives them to relentlessly attack Him AND > > > THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIS FOLLOWERS. > > > > See? That's example of how you're so willfully stupid. It's been told to > > you, in the very post that you were responding to, that "[an atheist] > > can't hate what doesn't exist" and yet you ignore that and claim that we > > "attack Him." CAN you attack or hate Zeus? CAN you attack the fairies in > > your garden? CAN you attack the pink elephant on your desk? > > Can you attack the people that are the followers of God? Which ones? What did they do? > Yes Well, I don't attack anyone. (Our government has been doing this for half a dozen years now, using its army. Has killed hundreds of thousands of them, in fact.) I do, however, attack ideas that deserve it. Faulty logic. Arrogance. Dishonesty. Hypocrisy. Religious fervor. Stuff like that. Yours, for instance. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071219110001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? Ahem. You are assuming that we accept your telling of the story. I, for one, do not. Provide an authoritative source to support it. Otherwise, my position is one of doubt. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0806071607110001@66-52-22-48.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I have a skeptical instinct. Damn! There went my Irony-O-Meter. Good thing I picked up a Mega-Family-Pak from Costco. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
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