Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <1181371371.821396.211110@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 9, 7:07 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <Qjjai.676$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:Jason-0706072057150001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > In article <p37h6310qvbml7o4ugpurslof5iek4a...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:03:20 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > >> <Jason-0706071803200...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >> >In article <tv5h63p152eiq5lkke28hqjbr3qmes9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > >> ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> ... > > > > > >> >> I didn't stop learning when I left college. Why did you? > > > > > >> >I did not stop learning. My interests were different than your > > > >> >interests. > > > > > >> Then why do you continue to make false claims about areas of science > > > >> that you are ignorant of? > > > > > > My interests were not in subjects like quantum physics. > > > > > Then why do you attempt to disparage the results of such subjects? > > > > I have a skeptical instinct > > And yet you swallow all the bullshit that Gish, Morris and your > preachers spew. > > Martin Any yet you swallow all of aspects of evolution and abiogenesis despite the lack of evidence. For example, you believe that a single cell (example: bacteria) evolved into a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction). Have you found any evidence that any of those experiments that have been done in relation to bacteria have produced evidence that it happened that way? In other words, did those bacteria experiments produce a single animal cell with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction? One of the members of this newsgroup told me in a post something like this: We now have living cells so it's only logical to conclude that they naturally evolved. Is that what you believe? If so, is that evidence or mere speculation that is not based on evidence. There are two other possibilites: God created bacteria and animal cells. The other possibility is that ancient astronaunts from some other planet were responsibity for bringing various animals and plants to this planet--millions of years ago. Erik Von Dannikan (spelling??) wrote a book about this subject. I don't believe Dannikan was correct. My point is that if you (and others) had a "skeptical instinct"--you would not make the mistake of assuming this statement is true: "We have animal cells so it's only logical to conclude they naturally evolved from bacteria." Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:05:09 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071305100001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181411474.240935.254980@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 8 Jun., 22:54, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1181331557.751428.128...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 8, 12:19 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically >> > > > > because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a >> > > > > physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors >> > > > > with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is >> > > > > overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, >> > > > > that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings >> > > > > clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great >> > > > > Apes. >> > >> > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created >mankind >> > > > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth >> > > > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than >humans >> > > > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. >> > >> > > "Some of the features"??? You clearly don't understand. Humans and >> > > chimps share 97% of our DNA. Gorillas are only slightly less related >> > > to humans, then the other apes are slightly less similar, then the >> > > other primates are still slightly less similar, etc. etc. All of life >> > > on this planet is clearly related, including humans. There was no >> > > separate creation of the humans species - our relatedness to the other >> > > apes is clearly established by the facts. >> > >> > > Why are you clinging so tightly to the Genesis myth? There is no need >> > > to believe in it in order to believe that God created everything. >> > > Humans are clearly apes who passed a certain threshold of intelligence >> > > and became self-aware and able to think abstract thoughts like "who >> > > created us". If you want to believe that God nudged evolution so as >> > > to produce beings intelligent enough to believe in Him, that's fine - >> > > but to believe in a separate Creation for humans you have to leave >> > > logic and reason behind. >> > >> > > - Bob T. >> > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > Only about 12 percent of Americans would agree with you. >> >> So what? What possible relevance does that have? Surprise me and >> answer the question. Overwhelme me by answering the question honestly. > >I will tell you the reason I mentioned the 12 percent figure in several posts. >People (in various posts) were attempting to marginalize me. People in >various posts stated or at least implied that most people believed that >mankind evolved from lower life forms without involvement from God. I knew >that was not true but had no data to back it up. When I found out that >only 12 percent of Americans believed that mankind evolved from lower life >forms without involvement from God, I decided to post the figure everytime >someone else attempted to marginalize me and by opinions related to >abiogenesis. Your opinion is formed from intentional dishonesty. I doubt that all of the 88% believe as you do that it's okay to lie about science. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <f4ektn$ec1$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >>> In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism > >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >>>> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >>>>> In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >>>>>> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>> <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > >>>>>>> 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>>> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > >>> done that, > >>>>>>>>> you would know that God is healing people today in much the same > >>> way that > >>>>>>>>> God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > >>>>>>>> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > > you had > >>>>>>>> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd > > believe about > >>>>>>>> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > >>>>>>> God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > >>>>>> religion. > >>>>> I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had > >>>>> one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed > >>>>> her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but > >>>>> I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her > >>>>> X-rays and medical records. > >>>> You forgot to point out how God was involved. > >>>> > >>>> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was > >>>> involved. > >>> How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? > >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have > >> only your unreliable word about it. > > > > I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed > > testimony when she visited our church last year. > > > > Here is a brief version of her testimony: > > > > In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was > > crowned Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:10:23 -0400, in alt.atheism Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in <f4e8s0$ml$1@news04.infoave.net>: >Martin Phipps wrote: >> On Jun 8, 9:15 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >>> Martin Phipps wrote: >>>> On Jun 8, 5:55 pm, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1181258112.140122.199820@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Jun 8, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>> It's my opinion that colleges should not discriminate professors that are >>>>>>> advocates of creation science. >>>>>> No such thing. >>>>>> Look, Jason, why are you here. In this thread, it has been proven >>>>>> that >>>>>> 1) God doesn't exist. >>>>> Just to play devil's advocate: God cannot be proven not exist by science or >>>>> this thread since this is not within the realm of science or this thread so >>>>> this statement is false. A belief in any God or Gods does not require that >>>>> Science or anyone prove it to make it a valid belief for those that hold >>>>> this view. >>>> Jason himself proved that his god didn't exist when he listed a bunch >>>> of artifacts that showed how people used to believe in a wide variety >>>> of gods, including his own. Unless Jason also believes in Zeus, >>>> Shamash and Amon-Ra in addition to his own god then they must all be >>>> mythological. QED > >"Then they ALL must be mythological." > >>> No, it just shows that they're LIKELY to all be mythological. It's >>> possible that there's really a god out there (but I'm not holding my >>> breath waiting for it to appear.) As long as the proposed god is >>> logically possible (doesn't have contradictory properties and ones like >>> Zeus don't that I can see) we can't completely rule out it's existence >>> (but we can show the odds are stacked greatly against it.) >> >> God (spelled with a capital G) refers to the Christian God which has >> been proven to be mythological. > >THAT god might have been proven impossible but not all gods. > >I, personally, don't have a belief that any gods do exist. But that's >not the same as saying they've ALL (both the proposed gods and any god >that someone might propose in the future) been proven to be impossible. True, but so far, no gods at all have any evidence to support them. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:41:59 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0806072141590001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >In article >> >> >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> In article >> >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >> >done that, >> >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >> >way that >> >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If >you had >> >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd >believe about >> >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> >> > >> >> >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> >> >> religion. >> >> > >> >> >I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >> >> >one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed >> >> >her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but >> >> >I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >> >> >X-rays and medical records. >> >> >> >> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >> >> >> >> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was >> >> involved. >> > >> >How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >> >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have >> only your unreliable word about it. > >I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed >testimony when she visited our church last year. > >Here is a brief version of her testimony: > >In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was >crowned Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <DipthotDipthot-17A670.09060209062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > In article > <Jason-0806072102410001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > <DipthotDipthot-4AA6C5.19390408062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > I repeat: If you had been raised in a Hindu community, what do you > > > think you'd believe about who/what was responsible for "miracle > > > healings"? > > > I don't know. > > Of course you don't. > > > The only foreign country that I have visited is Mexico. > > Talk about limited horizons! > > > There are Christians in almost every country in the world so I would hope > > that I would become a Christian. > > You are hoping now that you would have been a Christian back then ? > > What sort of convoluted hypothetical wishful thinking is that? > > The fact is, you would likely have been raised a Hindu, and, if you came > upon what you would perceive as a "miracle healing," you would see it > from the Hindu perspective, not the Christian one. > > This is where your whole argument in favor of Christianity falls apart, > even if you could somehow make a case for a "miracle" event. > > Something supposedly miraculous happens, and you react based on your > current prejudices, not based on any reasoned analysis of the occurrence. I believe that God can heal people regardless of their religion. When Jesus was on this earth, he healed the servant of a Roman soldier. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:25:49 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071225490001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181371247.516219.73280@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 9, 6:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <bdjai.669$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-0706072310450001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > > In article <1181276848.770709.166...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >Martin >> > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> > > >> > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> > > >> > > >In article >> > > >> > > >><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> > > >> > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> In article >> > > >> > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >> > > > done that, >> > > >> > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the >> > > > same way that >> > > >> > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> > >> > > >> > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If >> > > >> > > >> you had >> > > >> > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd >believe >> > > >> > > >> about >> > > >> > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> > >> > > >> > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> > >> > > >> > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> > > >> > > religion. >> > >> > > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that >> > > >> > had >> > > >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God >> > >> > > >> God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. >> > >> > > >> Martin >> > >> > > > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It made >me think >> > > > of the people in this thread that appear to not believe in God. >> > >> > > >> Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves >> > > >> to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him. >> > > >> They're the God-haters. >> > > >> To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate >> > > >> something we don't believe in ?'. >> > > >> Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to >> > > >> relentlessly attack Him. >> > >> > > You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. Take >it from >> > > me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can hate his >> > > ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them intensely. >> > > Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to help him. >> > >> > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in >> > this thread. >> >> You must have gone back and read your own posts then and noticed what >> you wrote about Mexicans, communists, atheists and pregnant women who >> want abortions. There's nothing but pure hatred coming from you. I'm >> glad to see you finally recognize that. >> >> Martin > >Martin, >I don't hate anyone. The fact is that most illegal immigrant from Mexico >and various other countries are wonderful people that obey the law. >However, when I mentioned that some of them violate the law and end up in >prison--that is a fact and is not evidence that I hate Mexicans. I don't >hate the other people that you claim that I hate. I support legal >immigration and do not support illegal immigration. Gish tells lies to people and cons them out of money but you approve of his criminal behavior. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <1181371287.388122.242890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 9, 7:02 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <Kdjai.670$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > >> <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >> >In article > > > >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > > >> >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> In article > > > >> >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done > > > >> >> > that, > > > >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the same way > > > >> >> > that > > > >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > > > > >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you > > > >> >> had > > > >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe > > > >> >> about > > > >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > > > > >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > > > > >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > > > >> religion. > > > > > > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had > > > > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God healed > > > > her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence to me but > > > > I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her > > > > X-rays and medical records. > > > > Jason > > > > > How is it evidence that god did it? > > > > I know a lady that had one leg that was longer than the other leg. She was > > a teenage girl and her parents were too poor to buy her special shoes. The > > children in her school teased her on a daily basis. She begged God to heal > > her. > > God doesn't exist. > > Martin What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:19:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071219110001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181371287.388122.242890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 9, 7:02 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <Kdjai.670$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> > > >> <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> > > >> >In article >> > > >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> > > >> >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> In article >> > > >> >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had done >> > > >> >> > that, >> > > >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the >same way >> > > >> >> > that >> > > >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> > >> > > >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If you >> > > >> >> had >> > > >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe >> > > >> >> about >> > > >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> > >> > > >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> > >> > > >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> > > >> religion. >> > >> > > > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >> > > > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God >healed >> > > > her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence >to me but >> > > > I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >> > > > X-rays and medical records. >> > > > Jason >> > >> > > How is it evidence that god did it? >> > >> > I know a lady that had one leg that was longer than the other leg. She was >> > a teenage girl and her parents were too poor to buy her special shoes. The >> > children in her school teased her on a daily basis. She begged God to heal >> > her. >> >> God doesn't exist. >> >> Martin > >What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? Natural processes. God has never claimed credit for anything. People make unsupported assertions on His behalf. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:12:58 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071212580001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <f4ektn$ec1$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >>> In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >>>> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >>>>> In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >>>>>> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >>>>>>> In article >> >>>>>>> <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >>>>>>> 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In article >> >>>>>>>> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had >> >>> done that, >> >>>>>>>>> you would know that God is healing people today in much the same >> >>> way that >> >>>>>>>>> God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >>>>>>>> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If >> > you had >> >>>>>>>> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd >> > believe about >> >>>>>>>> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >>>>>>> God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their >> >>>>>> religion. >> >>>>> I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that had >> >>>>> one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God >healed >> >>>>> her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence >to me but >> >>>>> I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you seen her >> >>>>> X-rays and medical records. >> >>>> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >> >>>> >> >>>> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was >> >>>> involved. >> >>> How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >> >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have >> >> only your unreliable word about it. >> > >> > I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed >> > testimony when she visited our church last year. >> > >> > Here is a brief version of her testimony: >> > >> > In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was >> > crowned Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:52:40 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism gudloos@yahoo.com wrote in <1181411560.900460.214700@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>: >On 8 Jun., 22:27, "Ralph" <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: .... >> Makes you wonder why he didn't, doesn't it Jason.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <1181371247.516219.73280@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 9, 6:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <bdjai.669$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:Jason-0706072310450001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > In article <1181276848.770709.166...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > >> > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >> > > >In article > > > >> > > ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > > >> > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> In article > > > >> > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > > > > done that, > > > >> > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the > > > > same way that > > > >> > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > > > > >> > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > > > >> > > >> you had > > > >> > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd believe > > > >> > > >> about > > > >> > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > > > > >> > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > > > > >> > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > > > >> > > religion. > > > > > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that > > > >> > had > > > >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > > > > > >> God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. > > > > > >> Martin > > > > > > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It made me think > > > > of the people in this thread that appear to not believe in God. > > > > > >> Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves > > > >> to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him. > > > >> They're the God-haters. > > > >> To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate > > > >> something we don't believe in ?'. > > > >> Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to > > > >> relentlessly attack Him. > > > > > You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. Take it from > > > me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can hate his > > > ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them intensely. > > > Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to help him. > > > > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > > this thread. > > You must have gone back and read your own posts then and noticed what > you wrote about Mexicans, communists, atheists and pregnant women who > want abortions. There's nothing but pure hatred coming from you. I'm > glad to see you finally recognize that. > > Martin Martin, I don't hate anyone. The fact is that most illegal immigrant from Mexico and various other countries are wonderful people that obey the law. However, when I mentioned that some of them violate the law and end up in prison--that is a fact and is not evidence that I hate Mexicans. I don't hate the other people that you claim that I hate. I support legal immigration and do not support illegal immigration. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <f4ec7t$56g$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > > this thread. However, not all atheists have developed the spirit of hate. > > It's possible that they attack me since I am a follower of God. > > No, they attach you because you're so willfully stupid. > > I don't > > really worry about it since I stop reading after the first sentence and > > click to the next post. I don't hate anyone. I would add a line to above-- > > > > It's their belief in God which drives them to relentlessly attack Him AND > > THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIS FOLLOWERS. > > See? That's example of how you're so willfully stupid. It's been told to > you, in the very post that you were responding to, that "[an atheist] > can't hate what doesn't exist" and yet you ignore that and claim that we > "attack Him." CAN you attack or hate Zeus? CAN you attack the fairies in > your garden? CAN you attack the pink elephant on your desk? Can you attack the people that are the followers of God? Yes Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:58:31 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071158320001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181371371.821396.211110@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 9, 7:07 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <Qjjai.676$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" .... >> > I have a skeptical instinct >> >> And yet you swallow all the bullshit that Gish, Morris and your >> preachers spew. >> >> Martin > >Any yet you swallow all of aspects of evolution and abiogenesis despite >the lack of evidence. You are lying. There is a huge amount of evidence. Just because you ignore it because it proves your religious doctrines to be false, that does not mean the evidence does not exist. >For example, you believe that a single cell (example: bacteria) Bacteria are modern, complex single celled organisms. They also evolved from earlier organisms. >evolved into a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual >reproduction). Bacteria do swap genetic information. >Have you found any evidence that any of those experiments >that have been done in relation to bacteria have produced evidence that it >happened that way? In other words, did those bacteria experiments produce >a single animal cell with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction? Your question shows a dishonest unwillingness to accept the evidence that has been gathered by insisting on evidence that has not been available. Your dishonesty mocks your god. Why don't you spend some time learning about evolution and the evidence gathered in the past two centuries about it, rather than asking stupid questions that show that you have ignored the evidence that you have been directed to. >One of the members of this newsgroup told me in a post something like >this: We now have living cells so it's only logical to conclude that they >naturally evolved. That's only part of it. There is also evidence that all of the processes necessary to go from non-living matter to complex organisms chemically valid. There is evidence to show that it could have happened in a number of different ways. The fact that much of the evidence was destroyed by life as it developed on earth does not mean that life could not have arisen on earth. You aren't being sceptical, you're being dishonest. >Is that what you believe? If so, is that evidence or mere speculation that >is not based on evidence. There is evidence. I don't need to believe it. It exists. >There are two other possibilites: God created bacteria and animal cells. Since there is no evidence for any gods, your 'possibility' is totally unscientific. >The other possibility is that ancient astronaunts from some other planet >were responsibity for bringing various animals and plants to this >planet--millions of years ago. Erik Von Dannikan (spelling??) wrote a book >about this subject. I don't believe Dannikan was correct. He was another enemy of science, much like you and the ICR, but panspermia merely moves abiogenesis to another place. It doesn't help your war on facts at all. >My point is that if you (and others) had a "skeptical instinct"--you would >not make the mistake of assuming this statement is true: > >"We have animal cells so it's only logical to conclude they naturally >evolved from bacteria." The evidence shows that all organisms found on earth today share a common ancestor. That is a fact whether you tell lies about it or not. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:30:19 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071330200001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <p0vl639ek05er1cb5eelma2rjiesja42td@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: .... >> I don't care what she says. I asked for evidence. You have none. Fine. >> Don't keep wasting time with stories that have nothing to do with the >> question. You didn't offer a shred of evidence that any god at all had >> anything to do with it. You know that. > >Her testimony is evidence. That her leg was shorter. But I don't have her testimony. I have your claim and you are an unreliable witness trying to sell me something after proving that you are willing to lie. Nevertheless, neither you nor she are offering any evidence of any sort that any god at all had anything to do with it. >If you choose not to accept her testimony--that is up to you. >I was told that I misspelled her name--the correct spelling is >Cheryl Prewitt. If you want to google that name, you may be able to find >medical evidence such as X-Rays and doctor's statement. > >Are you stating that Cheryl Prewitt (a former Miss America) is lying about >the healing? No, I have no opinion about it. I am stating that she has no possible evidence that God had anything to do with it. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:23:51 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-0906071323510001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <17vl63df14vosecbi5l27n02c5dda9oq58@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:25:49 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0906071225490001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: .... >> >Martin, >> >I don't hate anyone. The fact is that most illegal immigrant from Mexico >> >and various other countries are wonderful people that obey the law. >> >However, when I mentioned that some of them violate the law and end up in >> >prison--that is a fact and is not evidence that I hate Mexicans. I don't >> >hate the other people that you claim that I hate. I support legal >> >immigration and do not support illegal immigration. >> >> Gish tells lies to people and cons them out of money but you approve of >> his criminal behavior. > >What crimes has he committed? He lies about science to make money from Christians. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <1181411474.240935.254980@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 8 Jun., 22:54, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1181331557.751428.128...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 8, 12:19 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > Whether God was involved or not cannot be judged scientifically > > > > > because His interference would be magical, and need not leave a > > > > > physical trace. What we do know is that humans have common ancestors > > > > > with chimps, cheetahs and chives. The physical evidence is > > > > > overwhelming. If there was a separate "creation" for human beings, > > > > > that creations was of a spiritual nature, because our physical beings > > > > > clearly show that we are the same kind of creature as the other Great > > > > > Apes. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > I was asked about this once before. My answer is that God created mankind > > > > and apes. He used some of the features in mankind and apes such as tooth > > > > patterns. Perhaps God should have apes to be vastly different than humans > > > > so as not to confuse the advocates of evolution. > > > > > "Some of the features"??? You clearly don't understand. Humans and > > > chimps share 97% of our DNA. Gorillas are only slightly less related > > > to humans, then the other apes are slightly less similar, then the > > > other primates are still slightly less similar, etc. etc. All of life > > > on this planet is clearly related, including humans. There was no > > > separate creation of the humans species - our relatedness to the other > > > apes is clearly established by the facts. > > > > > Why are you clinging so tightly to the Genesis myth? There is no need > > > to believe in it in order to believe that God created everything. > > > Humans are clearly apes who passed a certain threshold of intelligence > > > and became self-aware and able to think abstract thoughts like "who > > > created us". If you want to believe that God nudged evolution so as > > > to produce beings intelligent enough to believe in Him, that's fine - > > > but to believe in a separate Creation for humans you have to leave > > > logic and reason behind. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Only about 12 percent of Americans would agree with you. > > So what? What possible relevance does that have? Surprise me and > answer the question. Overwhelme me by answering the question honestly. I will tell you the reason I mentioned the 12 percent figure in several posts. People (in various posts) were attempting to marginalize me. People in various posts stated or at least implied that most people believed that mankind evolved from lower life forms without involvement from God. I knew that was not true but had no data to back it up. When I found out that only 12 percent of Americans believed that mankind evolved from lower life forms without involvement from God, I decided to post the figure everytime someone else attempted to marginalize me and by opinions related to abiogenesis. Jason Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0906071323510001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <17vl63df14vosecbi5l27n02c5dda9oq58@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:25:49 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0906071225490001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <1181371247.516219.73280@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, >> >Martin >> >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Jun 9, 6:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <bdjai.669$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> > >news:Jason-0706072310450001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > > > In article >> >> > > > <1181276848.770709.166...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> >Martin >> >> > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > > >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, > Free Lunch >> >> > >> >> > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> > > >> > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> > > >> > > >In article >> >> > > >> > > >> >><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> > > >> > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> In article >> >> > > >> > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if > you had >> >> > > > done that, >> >> > > >> > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in >> >> > > >> > > >> > much the >> >> > > > same way that >> >> > > >> > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't > you? If >> >> > > >> > > >> you had >> >> > > >> > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think >> >> > > >> > > >> you'd >> >believe >> >> > > >> > > >> about >> >> > > >> > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter > what their >> >> > > >> > > religion. >> >> > >> >> > > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know > someone that >> >> > > >> > had >> >> > > >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other >> >> > > >> > leg. God >> >> > >> >> > > >> God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. >> >> > >> >> > > >> Martin >> >> > >> >> > > > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It >> >> > > > made >> >me think >> >> > > > of the people in this thread that appear to not believe in God. >> >> > >> >> > > >> Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves >> >> > > >> to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him. >> >> > > >> They're the God-haters. >> >> > > >> To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate >> >> > > >> something we don't believe in ?'. >> >> > > >> Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to >> >> > > >> relentlessly attack Him. >> >> > >> >> > > You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. >> >> > > Take >> >it from >> >> > > me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can > hate his >> >> > > ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them > intensely. >> >> > > Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to > help him. >> >> > >> >> > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the > posts in >> >> > this thread. >> >> >> >> You must have gone back and read your own posts then and noticed what >> >> you wrote about Mexicans, communists, atheists and pregnant women who >> >> want abortions. There's nothing but pure hatred coming from you. I'm >> >> glad to see you finally recognize that. >> >> >> >> Martin >> > >> >Martin, >> >I don't hate anyone. The fact is that most illegal immigrant from Mexico >> >and various other countries are wonderful people that obey the law. >> >However, when I mentioned that some of them violate the law and end up >> >in >> >prison--that is a fact and is not evidence that I hate Mexicans. I don't >> >hate the other people that you claim that I hate. I support legal >> >immigration and do not support illegal immigration. >> >> Gish tells lies to people and cons them out of money but you approve of >> his criminal behavior. > > What crimes has he committed? You can't determine his crimes from reading what he does? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0906071313520001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article > <DipthotDipthot-294445.11505509062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-0906071219110001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? >> >> Ahem. >> >> You are assuming that we accept your telling of the story. >> >> I, for one, do not. Provide an authoritative source to support it. >> Otherwise, my position is one of doubt. > > Do you believe the lady (a former Miss America) was lying when she stated > that she was healed by God? > > If not, how do you explain why her legs are now the same size? It certainly wasn't god, since he doesn't exist. Tell me Jason, you are quick to ascribe all good things to god, what do you do with the many bad things? Are those also in the province of your god? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0906071330200001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <p0vl639ek05er1cb5eelma2rjiesja42td@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:41:59 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-0806072141590001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free >> >> >> >Lunch >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >> >In article >> >> >> >> ><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> >> >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> In article >> >> >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you >> >> >> >> >> > had >> >> >done that, >> >> >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the >> >> >> >> >> > same >> >> >way that >> >> >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? >> >> >> >> >> If >> >you had >> >> >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd >> >believe about >> >> >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> >> religion. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone > that had >> >> >> >one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. > God healed >> >> >> >her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence > to me but >> >> >> >I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you >> >> >> >seen her >> >> >> >X-rays and medical records. >> >> >> >> >> >> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >> >> >> >> >> >> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God >> >> >> was >> >> >> involved. >> >> > >> >> >How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >> >> >> >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I >> >> have >> >> only your unreliable word about it. >> > >> >I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed >> >testimony when she visited our church last year. >> > >> >Here is a brief version of her testimony: >> > >> >In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was >> >crowned Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <DipthotDipthot-294445.11505509062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > In article > <Jason-0906071219110001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? > > Ahem. > > You are assuming that we accept your telling of the story. > > I, for one, do not. Provide an authoritative source to support it. > Otherwise, my position is one of doubt. Do you believe the lady (a former Miss America) was lying when she stated that she was healed by God? If not, how do you explain why her legs are now the same size? Quote
Guest stoney Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:05:17 +0200, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism >stoney wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:23:58 +0200, Tokay Pino Gris >> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism >> >>> Jason wrote: >>>> In article <1180745678.345285.282140@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>>> Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jun 2, 1:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please answer the questions that I found when I googled "10 questions for >>>>>> evolutionists" >>>>>> >>>>>> 10 Questions for Evolutionists Home >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. When the "Big Bang" (big bunk!) supposedly began the universe - what >>>>>> banged? Where did that first piece of matter come from, if not God? Where >>>>>> did the energy come from that caused the bang? Where did the space come >>>>>> from that the bang expanded into? >> >>>>> Where do you think your God came from? >> >>>> You answered a question with a question. Would you let your students get >>>> away with that? >>> I would EXPECT them to do that. If a student can come up with a good >>> next question, he shows that he understood my question and took it a >>> step further. That rates an "A" (or a "1" here, or "15 points", >>> depending on what grade he is in.) >> >> Your point flew 20,000 metres above his bone ear spacers. >> >> > >I know. You cannot imagine how glad I am that he lives in another >country.... True, but I've got a damn good idea. I wish the brain dead fuckwits DID live in another country. They're so damned uncivilized. -- Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others. Quote
Guest stoney Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:45:35 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in alt.atheism >Jason wrote: >> Yes, I believe there was a global flood. I don't know how many years ago >> that it happened. I doubt that anyone knows the time period that it took >> place. > >So your holy bible lied about it happening around 4000 years ago? Why not, its lied about everything else. -- Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 In article <17vl63df14vosecbi5l27n02c5dda9oq58@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:25:49 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-0906071225490001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <1181371247.516219.73280@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 9, 6:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <bdjai.669$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> > >news:Jason-0706072310450001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > > > In article <1181276848.770709.166...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >Martin > >> > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> > > >> > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> > > >> > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> > > >> > > >In article > >> > > >> > > > >><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > >> > > >> > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> In article > >> > > >> > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > >> > > > done that, > >> > > >> > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the > >> > > > same way that > >> > > >> > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > >> > > >> > > >> you had > >> > > >> > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd > >believe > >> > > >> > > >> about > >> > > >> > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > >> > > >> > > >> > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > >> > > >> > > religion. > >> > > >> > > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that > >> > > >> > had > >> > > >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > >> > > >> > > >> God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. > >> > > >> > > >> Martin > >> > > >> > > > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It made > >me think > >> > > > of the people in this thread that appear to not believe in God. > >> > > >> > > >> Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves > >> > > >> to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him. > >> > > >> They're the God-haters. > >> > > >> To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate > >> > > >> something we don't believe in ?'. > >> > > >> Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to > >> > > >> relentlessly attack Him. > >> > > >> > > You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. Take > >it from > >> > > me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can hate his > >> > > ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them intensely. > >> > > Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to help him. > >> > > >> > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > >> > this thread. > >> > >> You must have gone back and read your own posts then and noticed what > >> you wrote about Mexicans, communists, atheists and pregnant women who > >> want abortions. There's nothing but pure hatred coming from you. I'm > >> glad to see you finally recognize that. > >> > >> Martin > > > >Martin, > >I don't hate anyone. The fact is that most illegal immigrant from Mexico > >and various other countries are wonderful people that obey the law. > >However, when I mentioned that some of them violate the law and end up in > >prison--that is a fact and is not evidence that I hate Mexicans. I don't > >hate the other people that you claim that I hate. I support legal > >immigration and do not support illegal immigration. > > Gish tells lies to people and cons them out of money but you approve of > his criminal behavior. What crimes has he committed? Quote
Guest stoney Posted June 9, 2007 Posted June 9, 2007 On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:25:30 -0000, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism >On Jun 5, 4:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> How did the mass of material that expanded (during the Big Bang) come to be? > >Energy to mass conversion. As gravitational potential energy is >negative, the entire energy of the universe could add up to zero. It >is possible to get something from nothing. But not from the braindead like Jason. -- Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others. Quote
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