Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Jun 10, 3:18 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:25:49 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-0906071225490...@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > > > >In article <1181371247.516219.73...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> On Jun 9, 6:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <bdjai.669$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> > >news:Jason-0706072310450001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > > > In article <1181276848.770709.166...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >Martin > >> > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Jun 8, 12:12 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> > > >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> > > >> > > <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> > > >> > > >In article > > >><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > >> > > >> > > >655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> In article > >> > > >> > > >> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > >> > > > done that, > >> > > >> > > >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much the > >> > > > same way that > >> > > >> > > >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > >> > > >> > > >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > >> > > >> > > >> you had > >> > > >> > > >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd > >believe > >> > > >> > > >> about > >> > > >> > > >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > >> > > >> > > >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > >> > > >> > > There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > >> > > >> > > religion. > > >> > > >> > I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone that > >> > > >> > had > >> > > >> > one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > > >> > > >> God doesn't exist. You proved that yourself. > > >> > > >> Martin > > >> > > > I read the following in another thread in this newsgroup. It made > >me think > >> > > > of the people in this thread that appear to not believe in God. > > >> > > >> Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves > >> > > >> to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him. > >> > > >> They're the God-haters. > >> > > >> To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate > >> > > >> something we don't believe in ?'. > >> > > >> Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to > >> > > >> relentlessly attack Him. > > >> > > You must have stolen this from your Christian brother, Stooge. Take > >it from > >> > > me, I'm an atheist and you can't hate what doesn't exist. You can hate his > >> > > ignorant followers and there I just might dislike a few of them intensely. > >> > > Your brother Rayturd, for example, I wouldn't lift a finger to help him. > > >> > I have detected the presence of the spirit of hate in some of the posts in > >> > this thread. > > >> You must have gone back and read your own posts then and noticed what > >> you wrote about Mexicans, communists, atheists and pregnant women who > >> want abortions. There's nothing but pure hatred coming from you. I'm > >> glad to see you finally recognize that. > > >> Martin > > >Martin, > >I don't hate anyone. The fact is that most illegal immigrant from Mexico > >and various other countries are wonderful people that obey the law. > >However, when I mentioned that some of them violate the law and end up in > >prison--that is a fact and is not evidence that I hate Mexicans. I don't > >hate the other people that you claim that I hate. I support legal > >immigration and do not support illegal immigration. > > Gish tells lies to people and cons them out of money but you approve of > his criminal behavior. It's because of his moral defect. Martin Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0906071503510001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <4ODai.777$s9.295@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0906071313520001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article >> > <DipthotDipthot-294445.11505509062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article >> >> <Jason-0906071219110001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> > What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? >> >> >> >> Ahem. >> >> >> >> You are assuming that we accept your telling of the story. >> >> >> >> I, for one, do not. Provide an authoritative source to support it. >> >> Otherwise, my position is one of doubt. >> > >> > Do you believe the lady (a former Miss America) was lying when she >> > stated >> > that she was healed by God? >> > >> > If not, how do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >> >> It certainly wasn't god, since he doesn't exist. Tell me Jason, you are >> quick to ascribe all good things to god, what do you do with the many bad >> things? Are those also in the province of your god? > > Good and bad things happen. People have free will and in most cases, good > things and bad things happen as a result of people expressing their free > will. > > In relation to natural disasters such as earthquakes and hurricanes--I > don't blame God. It's my opinion that God created the solar system and the > earth. In most cases, those things are natural and are not caused by God. > However, I do believe God can intervene in relation to those sorts of > things if he chooses to do so. In those cases, they could be considered to > be "acts of God". For example, a group of Christian farmers may pray for > rain--God could intervene and cause it to rain. > Jason Translated Jason, that means you don't have a clue as to when god is or is not injecting himself into a personal relationship on earth, To speak realistically, the happenings on earth are best explained by their not being a personal god. You can throw anecdotal stories, one after another and will never be able to explain the interventions of your god. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0906071450580001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <bPDai.778$s9.759@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0906071330200001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <p0vl639ek05er1cb5eelma2rjiesja42td@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:41:59 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0806072141590001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nfbj2@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> <Jason-0806072055070001@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s158@4ax.com>, Free >> >> >> >Lunch >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >> <Jason-0706072112310001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >> >In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1vd7@4ax.com>, Free >> >> >> >> >Lunch >> >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >> >> <Jason-0706072012540001@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >> >> >In article >> >> >> >> >> >><DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, >> >> >> >> >> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> In article >> >> >> >> >> >> <Jason-0706071647400001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if >> >> >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> >> >> > had >> >> >> >done that, >> >> >> >> >> >> > you would know that God is healing people today in much >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > same >> >> >> >way that >> >> >> >> >> >> > God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't >> >> >> >> >> >> you? >> >> >> >> >> >> If >> >> >you had >> >> >> >> >> >> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd >> >> >believe about >> >> >> >> >> >> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what >> >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> >> >> religion. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone >> > that had >> >> >> >> >one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. >> > God healed >> >> >> >> >her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is >> >> >> >> >evidence >> > to me but >> >> >> >> >I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you >> >> >> >> >seen her >> >> >> >> >X-rays and medical records. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You forgot to point out how God was involved. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that >> >> >> >> God >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> involved. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I >> >> >> have >> >> >> only your unreliable word about it. >> >> > >> >> >I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more >> >> >detailed >> >> >testimony when she visited our church last year. >> >> > >> >> >Here is a brief version of her testimony: >> >> > >> >> >In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was >> >> >crowned Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 [snips] On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:11:33 -0700, Jason wrote: > I googled "miracle healings" and found lots of sites. This is one of them: Not a one of which shows God even exists, let alone that he was involved in the healings. Thank you for playing, be sure to come back after you graduate third grade and acquire some basic reasoning skills. -- Welcome to Hell! Here's your copy of Windows. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:45:07 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <ecU8i.18609$923.7746@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0306072032550001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <alt6631ej75cq2s9llbhvdio9ic2f57sv5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:57:14 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-0306071957140001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <3pp6631kon6ea5hg92ij4uqdimal0cgitl@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:12:07 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> <Jason-0306071912070001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >In article <avn663h572filef3evnhqeah8f6ikmpp3a@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:33:46 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >> <Jason-0306071833470001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >> >In article <uvl663lr1nsjuoarku4uqs9mb2gmdufs07@4ax.com>, Free >> >> >> >> >Lunch >> >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:54:00 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >> >> <Jason-0306071654000001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >> >> >In article >> >> >> >> >> ><1180909414.014982.158970@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> >> >> >> >> >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How could it not? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >You claim that it happened. Therefore, explain to me how it >> > happened. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Through natural chemical processes. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What other method has evidence to support it? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >How did those chemicals (involved in the chemical processes) come >> > to be? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Through other chemical processes. The world is chock full of >> >> >> >> chemical >> >> >> >> processes and the world before life would have had different ones. >> >> >> >> It's >> >> >> >> not at all hard for the processes to have happened. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I am asking you how all those chemicals came to be? >> >> >> > >> >> >> Chemicals are the natural or artificial result of natural or >> >> >> artificial >> >> >> chemical precursors which behave in very consistent manners. Chemical >> >> >> reactions always occur in the same way when the same conditions are >> >> >> present. >> >> > >> >> >How did all of those things come to be? >> >> >> >> Your question betrays a total lack of understanding of chemistry. >> > >> > Would you tell me how the natural or artificial chemical precursors come >> > to be? >> >> The heavy elements were created in supernovae. Can you read? I'm beginning >> to believe that your entire defense of your position is from personal >> incredulity, which is an indefensible position. > > Now we are making progress--you claim that the heavy elements were created > in supernovae. Explain how that happened? Stellar fusion. Go read a fucking book already. -- Even if she WAS going to beam me aboard her spaceship and make a present of me to her leather-clad butch dyke master to vivisect me like a lab rat for her species' tests and her sadistic pleasure, any friend is better than none. - David Rice Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 [snips] On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:55:53 -0700, Jason wrote: > How did supernovaes come to be? Gravity, then fusion. Go read a fucking book already. -- I personally would prefer to see the human race go via nuclear war than by the takeover of homosexuality... then I wouldn't have to be witness to this erosion of our society that is now occuring. - George Pope Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 [snips] On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:01:56 -0700, Jason wrote: > How did the energy mass that expanded during the Big Bang come to be? "Come to be" implies a temporal sequence of events - the thing fist not being, then the thing being. Since you have yet to demonstrate that time even exists in the conditions described, you have no basis for asserting things requiring that time exists. Go read a fucking book already. -- Suicide is the most sincere form of self-criticism. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 [snips] On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:12:56 -0700, Jason wrote: > creation science do believe that life evolved from non-life. The advocates > of creation science are of the opinion that God created life from > non-life. The advocates of creation science have fossil evidence that > supports creation science. In order for the fossils to support creation science, creation science would have to first have a viable scientific theory against which such things can be tested. Since creation science has never once put forth an actual scientific theory of creationism, there is nothing in creation science to claim to the fossils as supporting evidence of. Disagree? Fine; state the scientific theory of creationism. Feel free to use any of your sources to do so. You won't be able to; there isn't one. So, your next lie will be...? -- It's OK to be a christian as long as you don't practice christianity. - jonny vee Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <h7mrj4-ugf.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > [snips] > > On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:58:31 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > Any yet you swallow all of aspects of evolution and abiogenesis despite > > the lack of evidence. > > Actually, you cannot conclude this, for at least two very simple reasons; > first, because most of the folks in this discussion seem quite aware - > unlike you - of the difference between evolution and abiogenesis and as a > result also seem quite aware that while evolution is an established > reality, the mechanics of abiogensis are, at least as far as we are aware > of them, still very shaky, so it would be wholly dishonest of you, though > completely in character, to lump them together and draw such conclusions, > and second because, once they have been thus correctly separated, the one > which is being held up as a reasonably well-understood and very > well-supported idea, namely evolution, has endless reams of evidence. > > So, two significant errors in one sentence; well done, Jason, but you'll > have to do better than that to win the record. > > > For example, you believe that a single cell > > (example: bacteria) > > evolved into a single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > reproduction). > > Nope. Individuals don't evolve, populations do. > > > One of the members of this newsgroup told me in a post something like > > this: We now have living cells so it's only logical to conclude that > > they naturally evolved. > > Perhaps he, unlike you, is capable of thinking and thus correctly > formulating a statement along those lines, as opposed to your incorrect > formulation. > > > There are two other possibilites > > False conclusion. Let's see... "God dunnit." "Aliens dunnit." > "Abiogenesis and evolution dunnit" - that's three options. "Some as-yet > unknown and unexplained process dunnit". There's a fourth, but that > fourth actually encompasses the possibility of hundreds, thousands of > possible alternate explanations. "Two other possibilities" my aunt's > fanny. > > > My point is that if you (and others) had a "skeptical instinct" > > We do, which is why we demand evidence of claims, something which you > fail, consistently, to do. The difference is we're actually smart enough > to figure out what sort of evidence is both relevant and necessary, > something else you seem unable to do. Most atheists believe that the Big Bang was how the solar system and earth came into be. They believe that abiogenesis and evolution is how all life came into be. They believe that humans evolved from othr life-forms without any involvement from God. When someone like myself provides evidence (testimonies) that indicates two people were healed by God, they reject the evidence since it does not "fit" their belief system. On the other hand, they believe aspects of evolution or abiogenesis--even if there is NO evidence or very little evidence. For example, these are the first two steps in the evolution of man: STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual reproduction) There has been lots of research related to bacteria. None of those research projects have provided evidence which has indicated that bacteria evolved into an animal cell. If it happened naturally millions of years ago, it should be easy for scientists to cause it to happen again. In other words, there is NO evidence that animal cells evolved from bacteria. However, that does not stop athiests and the advocates of evolution and abiogenesis from believing that it happened. Perhaps animal cells were created by God. I don't have evidence but neither do you have evidence that animal cells evolved naturally from bacteria. Perhaps ancient astronauts made a trip to earth millions of years ago and left behind people, plants and animals. I doubt that it happened that way but some people do believe that it happened that way. They have no evidence but neither do you have evidence that animal cells evolved naturally from bacteria. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 > >> He is saying that she has no idea who or how are leg was healed. > > > >Let's look at her actual statement to determine whether or not she has an > >idea who or how her leg was healed: > > > >> >> >After a car accident at age 11, Cheryl Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071703540001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Since God created the world Objection. Lacks foundation. Assumes facts not in evidence. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071736250001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Most atheists believe Don't you DARE assume that you know what atheists believe! You have proven, time and time again, that comprehension of other people's words is way beyond your capacity. So just wallow in your obtuseness, send more money to professional liars like the ICR, and remain happy in your ignorance, like a houseplant. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071736250001@66-52-22-81.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Perhaps ancient astronauts made a trip to earth millions of years ago and > left behind people, plants and animals. That is far and away more likely to have happened than that life was magicked into existence by an omnipotent, omnipresent god with an overdeveloped sense of vanity and jealousy, a loose trigger finger, a nasty temper, and a strange sense of humor. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 In article <Jason-0906071330200001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Her testimony is evidence. Your repetition of this so-called testimony is also testimony. And none of it is substantiated by a reliable, external source. So what we have is uncorroborated testimony of uncorroborated testimony. You know, like the Bible. Wait...... -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:08:03 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: - Refer: <nurrj4-ugf.ln1@spanky.localhost.net> >[snips] > >On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:04:25 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> If you have read the other posts, you will know that the advocates of >> evolution don't really know how the energy that expanded during the Big >> Bang came to be. > > >Look, you lying little shitbag, you've been told, repeatedly, that >evolution does not encompass the big bang. > >Why do you feel compelled to lie through your teeth at every possible >opportunity? Because without outrageous lies, he has absolutely nothing. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:08:02 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: - Refer: <rirrj4-ugf.ln1@spanky.localhost.net> >[snips] > >On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:24:19 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> Scenario: >> An atheist attends an open casket funeral. > >You can repeat this until you're blue in the face; it still doesn't show >that God exists, nor demonstrate that he was involved in any healings. > >When are you going to grow up enough to at least pretend to be honest? Never. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:28:06 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: - Refer: <f4env7$he5$1@news04.infoave.net> >James Dale Guckert wrote: >> In article <f4bkbr$7tm$1@news04.infoave.net>, >> Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm talking about the same healing. Prove that it wasn't I who healed >>> this young man who's doctor was Dr. Dino Delaportas. >> >> I can prove it. >> >> I was the one who healed him. > >Hey, quit taking false credit for my healings! I was here FIRST! I was too, and so was my wife! -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:30:03 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: - Refer: <rjsrj4-32n.ln1@spanky.localhost.net> >[snips] > >On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:55:53 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> How did supernovaes come to be? > >Gravity, then fusion. > >Go read a fucking book already. He plainly has not even read his bible all the way through. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote: - Refer: <k13m631v7cae2to88sg2iqq1fb1eocnbqn@4ax.com> >On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:45:35 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> >wrote in alt.atheism > >>Jason wrote: >>> Yes, I believe there was a global flood. I don't know how many years ago >>> that it happened. I doubt that anyone knows the time period that it took >>> place. >> >>So your holy bible lied about it happening around 4000 years ago? > >Why not, its lied about everything else. Oh, I dunno. What about Nahum 3:1? "Woe to the bloody city! All of it is a lie, full of plunder; the prey is not withdrawn." Sounds like a factual description of Washington to me. ( My translation) -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:26:34 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote: - Refer: <d73m639m2lhkvk6a5csgp5b87ssk28ubkn@4ax.com> >On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:47:26 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> >wrote in alt.atheism > >>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:54:55 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote: >> - Refer: <j2d963teubu5nqcelrtiebcs74obad5m1q@4ax.com> >>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:32:20 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> >>>wrote in alt.atheism >>> >>>>On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:55:30 -0700, George Chen >>>><georgechen2@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> - Refer: <1180940130.734812.145150@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> >>>>>On Jun 4, 11:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> In article <91q66392u07lc87upssrutbd25pvh9k...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>> >>>>>> <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Chemicals come from prior chemical processes. Atoms more complex than >>>>>> > hydrogen come from stellar fusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> How did the chemicals in the prior chemical processes come to be? You >>>>>> mentioned steller fusion--you need to explain what you mean. I was taught >>>>>> that steller refers to a star or stars. >>>>> >>>>>It does. That's why he shouldn't have to understand what he means. >>>>> >>>>>See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_fusion >>>> >>>>Note that the village idiot said "steller". >>>>This is a reference to an extinct sea cow. >>>>Steller fusion is two extinct sea cows mating. >>> >>>That would be a neat trick. >> >>I "bags" the film rights, ok? > >Yeah, go ahead and milk it. You just volunteered as an extra. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:15:02 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: - Refer: <26lrj4-ugf.ln1@spanky.localhost.net> >[snips] > >On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:16:58 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> The main reason that evolutionists do NOT want ID taught in public schools >> is because it > >is not science, and therefore has no business in science class; rather, it >is religion, pure and simple, and belongs - if anywhere - in institutions >of religion, such as Sunday Schools. Or perhaps in schools, in a course about logical thinking, or the History of Frauds, or the analysis of political poower scams. -- Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Jun 10, 5:42 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <4bvl63t9cvtlvbhnemkgqcrpdqit86t...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:12:58 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-0906071212580...@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >In article <f4ektn$ec...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > ><prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >> > In article <mm5k63tg8oa2v2svlpcvjefqoe752nf...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:55:07 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >> <Jason-0806072055070...@66-52-22-87.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >>> In article <n1nj63d84p0besb4hpohdtejtcadq9s...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> >>> <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:12:31 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> >>>> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >>>> <Jason-0706072112310...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >>>>> In article <sueh63h0slh8d0oudf83vl7vb8d6tq1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> >>>>> <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >>>>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:12:54 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> >>>>>> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >>>>>> <Jason-0706072012540...@66-52-22-14.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >>>>>>> In article > > <DipthotDipthot-63ED4F.18324107062...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > > >> >>>>>>> 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> >>>>>>>> In article > > >> >>>>>>>> <Jason-0706071647400...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > >> >>>>>>>> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> >>>>>>>>> I requested that you google "miracle healings" and if you had > > >> >>> done that, > > >> >>>>>>>>> you would know that God is healing people today in much the same > > >> >>> way that > > >> >>>>>>>>> God healed people while Jesus was on this earth. > > >> >>>>>>>> You are a sucker for a smooth-talkin' salesman, aren't you? If > > >> > you had > > >> >>>>>>>> been raised in a Hindu community, what do you think you'd > > >> > believe about > > >> >>>>>>>> who/what was responsible for "miracle healings"? > > >> >>>>>>> God can heal anyone regardless of their religions. > > > >> >>>>>> There is no evidence that God healed anyone, no matter what their > > >> >>>>>> religion. > > >> >>>>> I disagree. I know people that have been healed. I know someone > that had > > >> >>>>> one leg that was about 3 inches shorter than other other leg. God > > >healed > > >> >>>>> her and now both of her legs are the same size. That is evidence > > >to me but > > >> >>>>> I know that you would not consider it as evidence--even if you > seen her > > >> >>>>> X-rays and medical records. > > >> >>>> You forgot to point out how God was involved. > > > >> >>>> I assume that is because you have absolutely no evidence that God was > > >> >>>> involved. > > >> >>> How do you explain why her legs are now the same size? > > >> >> I don't have enough knowledge of the example, particularly since I have > > >> >> only your unreliable word about it. > > > >> > I found her testimony on the internet. I heard her give a more detailed > > >> > testimony when she visited our church last year. > > > >> > Here is a brief version of her testimony: > > > >> > In September 1979, a lovely girl from Mississippi, Cheryl Pruitt, was > > >> > crowned Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Jun 10, 5:17 am, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> wrote: > "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > > news:hvul63lblav54p1k1316os5hp201riplmi@4ax.com... > > > > > > > On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:10:23 -0400, in alt.atheism > > Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in > > <f4e8s0$m...@news04.infoave.net>: > >>Martin Phipps wrote: > >>> On Jun 8, 9:15 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >>>> Martin Phipps wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 8, 5:55 pm, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:1181258112.140122.199820@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>>> It's my opinion that colleges should not discriminate professors > >>>>>>>> that are > >>>>>>>> advocates of creation science. > >>>>>>> No such thing. > >>>>>>> Look, Jason, why are you here. In this thread, it has been proven > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> 1) God doesn't exist. > >>>>>> Just to play devil's advocate: God cannot be proven not exist by > >>>>>> science or > >>>>>> this thread since this is not within the realm of science or this > >>>>>> thread so > >>>>>> this statement is false. A belief in any God or Gods does not require > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> Science or anyone prove it to make it a valid belief for those that > >>>>>> hold > >>>>>> this view. > >>>>> Jason himself proved that his god didn't exist when he listed a bunch > >>>>> of artifacts that showed how people used to believe in a wide variety > >>>>> of gods, including his own. Unless Jason also believes in Zeus, > >>>>> Shamash and Amon-Ra in addition to his own god then they must all be > >>>>> mythological. QED > > >>"Then they ALL must be mythological." > > >>>> No, it just shows that they're LIKELY to all be mythological. It's > >>>> possible that there's really a god out there (but I'm not holding my > >>>> breath waiting for it to appear.) As long as the proposed god is > >>>> logically possible (doesn't have contradictory properties and ones like > >>>> Zeus don't that I can see) we can't completely rule out it's existence > >>>> (but we can show the odds are stacked greatly against it.) > > >>> God (spelled with a capital G) refers to the Christian God which has > >>> been proven to be mythological. > > >>THAT god might have been proven impossible but not all gods. > > >>I, personally, don't have a belief that any gods do exist. But that's > >>not the same as saying they've ALL (both the proposed gods and any god > >>that someone might propose in the future) been proven to be impossible. > > > True, but so far, no gods at all have any evidence to support them. > > My question would be who are you to demand proof of any Gods whatsoever? Why is that so unreasonable? If I accused you of murder, wouldn't you expect me to present proof? Why is the divine the one thing that people are expected to take on faith? Why? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 10, 2007 Posted June 10, 2007 On Jun 10, 8:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <466b2252$0$4701$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher > > > > > > Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-0906071503510001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <4ODai.777$s9....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >>news:Jason-0906071313520001@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > >> > In article > > >> > <DipthotDipthot-294445.11505509062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > >> > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> >> In article > > >> >> <Jason-0906071219110...@66-52-22-50.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> >> > What caused that leg to get longer if God did not heal her? > > > >> >> Ahem. > > > >> >> You are assuming that we accept your telling of the story. > > > >> >> I, for one, do not. Provide an authoritative source to support it. > > >> >> Otherwise, my position is one of doubt. > > > >> > Do you believe the lady (a former Miss America) was lying when she > > >> > stated > > >> > that she was healed by God? > > > >> > If not, how do you explain why her legs are now the same size? > > > >> It certainly wasn't god, since he doesn't exist. Tell me Jason, you are > > >> quick to ascribe all good things to god, what do you do with the many bad > > >> things? Are those also in the province of your god? > > > > Good and bad things happen. People have free will and in most cases, good > > > things and bad things happen as a result of people expressing their free > > > will. > > > > In relation to natural disasters such as earthquakes and hurricanes--I > > > don't blame God. It's my opinion that God created the solar system and the > > > earth. In most cases, those things are natural and are not caused by God. > > > However, I do believe God can intervene in relation to those sorts of > > > things if he chooses to do so. In those cases, they could be considered to > > > be "acts of God". For example, a group of Christian farmers may pray for > > > rain--God could intervene and cause it to rain. > > > Jason > > > Your God accepts the repsonsibity for all the evil in the world look to Amos > > 3:6 for instance. > > Since God God doesn't exist. Martin Quote
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