Guest Michael Gray Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:01:49 -0400, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: - Refer: <%_aci.3526$s8.1518@bignews5.bellsouth.net> > >"Martin" <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:1181791042.696607.245920@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 14, 8:37 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> > Even if Jesus himself >>> > saiys not any word about this in the NT. >>> >>> Yes, he does. He forgave a prostitute for her sins. He could have had her >>> stoned to death--he did not do it. >> >> And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the Christian concept of a loving >> god! >> >> Martin > >Actually Jason the story about the prostitute was added to the bible. Jesus >never had such an encounter. Jesus never existed in any case. It is all a story, confabulated long after the supposed events. -- Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 In article <fLhci.9$C31.0@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1406071420340001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <5ddithF340ot4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-1406071240170001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <5dd120F32b338U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote i > >> >> > >> >> snip > >> >> > > >> >> > Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. > >> >> > >> >> So? You believe every thing you're told? > >> > > >> > In relation to some people, including Chery Prewitt, I do believe what > >> > they say. > >> > >> Why? Because they're christians? > > > > In this case, it played a role. I don't trust all people that are > > Christians such as Jimmy Swaggart. I trust the members of my family and > > one of them is a Moslem--my niece married a man that is a Moslem and she > > decided to become a Moslem. > > How do you know which Christians to trust and which ones not to? It's usually very easy. I trust them unless they do something like Jimmy Swaggart done. There is a person named Charles Tex Watson that was involved in the Manson murders. I found out that he is now a Christian. I don't trust him. Jason Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:49:45 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: - Refer: <f4rh1p$9en$1@news04.infoave.net> >Jason wrote: : >> Do you acknowledge that many of the aspects of abiogenesis are based upon >> speculation and not on evidence--such at the results of experiments. > >Do you ever actually address the points made? Oh look. A birdie flew past the window. -- Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 In article <BIhci.6$C31.1@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1406071417560001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <f4s36c$se9$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > In article <f4rce1$54j$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > >> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >>> Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. She stated that > >> >>> she saw > >> >>> her leg bone grow two inches. I believed her testimony. She has gave > >> >>> her > >> >>> testimony at many different churches. Her name is mentioned on over > >> >>> 700 > >> >>> websites. > >> >> "UFO" is mentioned on 37,800,000 websites. Are they real? > >> >> > >> >> The words "Jason" "owes" and "money" match to 467,000 websites. Does > >> >> that mean you're a deadbeat? > >> >> > >> >> The phrase "pigs fly" matches to 432,000 and "flying pigs" match to > >> >> 204,000 sites. Are pigs now flying? > >> >> > >> >> "Jason is smart" matched to 3,560 sites. Well, that proves the number > >> >> of > >> >> sites google matches is worthless for proving something. > >> >> > >> >> Oh, wait, "Jason is an idiot" matched 6,490 sites. Maybe there really > >> >> IS > >> >> something to this whole "mentioned on over XXXXX sites" thing. > >> > > >> > Google your full name and determine if it is mentioned on over 700 > >> > websites. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Personalized Results 1 - 100 of about 577,000 English pages for "Michael > >> Anderson". > >> > >> Your point is, again? > > > > Your first name and last name are common names. > > > > One more try--I found this name in the phone book-try it: > > John Pietrzak > > You can't just count web sites, you have to read them. I think I established > that point very clearly in my prior post. What was the result related to John Pietrzak? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 In article <jHhci.5$C31.3@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-1406071236480001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <f4rce1$54j$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. She stated that she > >> > saw > >> > her leg bone grow two inches. I believed her testimony. She has gave > >> > her > >> > testimony at many different churches. Her name is mentioned on over 700 > >> > websites. > >> > >> "UFO" is mentioned on 37,800,000 websites. Are they real? > >> > >> The words "Jason" "owes" and "money" match to 467,000 websites. Does > >> that mean you're a deadbeat? > >> > >> The phrase "pigs fly" matches to 432,000 and "flying pigs" match to > >> 204,000 sites. Are pigs now flying? > >> > >> "Jason is smart" matched to 3,560 sites. Well, that proves the number of > >> sites google matches is worthless for proving something. > >> > >> Oh, wait, "Jason is an idiot" matched 6,490 sites. Maybe there really IS > >> something to this whole "mentioned on over XXXXX sites" thing. > > > > Google your full name and determine if it is mentioned on over 700 > > websites. > > Jason, you need to read the sites, not just count them. For example if you > had done a little research you would have found this blurb from a Christian > apologetic web site: > > "In the closing paragraph of certain editions of The Origin of Species, > there appears a reference by Charles Darwin to a Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1406071556100001@66-52-22-102.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <jHhci.5$C31.3@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1406071236480001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <f4rce1$54j$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. She stated that >> >> > she >> >> > saw >> >> > her leg bone grow two inches. I believed her testimony. She has gave >> >> > her >> >> > testimony at many different churches. Her name is mentioned on over >> >> > 700 >> >> > websites. >> >> >> >> "UFO" is mentioned on 37,800,000 websites. Are they real? >> >> >> >> The words "Jason" "owes" and "money" match to 467,000 websites. Does >> >> that mean you're a deadbeat? >> >> >> >> The phrase "pigs fly" matches to 432,000 and "flying pigs" match to >> >> 204,000 sites. Are pigs now flying? >> >> >> >> "Jason is smart" matched to 3,560 sites. Well, that proves the number >> >> of >> >> sites google matches is worthless for proving something. >> >> >> >> Oh, wait, "Jason is an idiot" matched 6,490 sites. Maybe there really >> >> IS >> >> something to this whole "mentioned on over XXXXX sites" thing. >> > >> > Google your full name and determine if it is mentioned on over 700 >> > websites. >> >> Jason, you need to read the sites, not just count them. For example if >> you >> had done a little research you would have found this blurb from a >> Christian >> apologetic web site: >> >> "In the closing paragraph of certain editions of The Origin of Species, >> there appears a reference by Charles Darwin to a Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:ukg373tubg8e008299lct1tjnkthc39u8g@4ax.com... > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:42:52 -0400, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> > wrote: > - Refer: <fLhci.9$C31.0@bignews3.bellsouth.net> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>news:Jason-1406071420340001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <5ddithF340ot4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-1406071240170001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>> > In article <5dd120F32b338U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote i >>>> >> >>>> >> snip >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. >>>> >> >>>> >> So? You believe every thing you're told? >>>> > >>>> > In relation to some people, including Chery Prewitt, I do believe >>>> > what >>>> > they say. >>>> >>>> Why? Because they're christians? >>> >>> In this case, it played a role. I don't trust all people that are >>> Christians such as Jimmy Swaggart. I trust the members of my family and >>> one of them is a Moslem--my niece married a man that is a Moslem and she >>> decided to become a Moslem. >> >>How do you know which Christians to trust and which ones not to? > > Simple. > Don't trust any of them. I agree with that. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:41:09 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-1406071541090001@66-52-22-102.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <fLhci.9$C31.0@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-1406071420340001@66-52-22-66.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <5ddithF340ot4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-1406071240170001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <5dd120F32b338U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote i >> >> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. >> >> >> >> >> >> So? You believe every thing you're told? >> >> > >> >> > In relation to some people, including Chery Prewitt, I do believe what >> >> > they say. >> >> >> >> Why? Because they're christians? >> > >> > In this case, it played a role. I don't trust all people that are >> > Christians such as Jimmy Swaggart. I trust the members of my family and >> > one of them is a Moslem--my niece married a man that is a Moslem and she >> > decided to become a Moslem. >> >> How do you know which Christians to trust and which ones not to? > >It's usually very easy. I trust them unless they do something like Jimmy >Swaggart done. There is a person named Charles Tex Watson that was >involved in the Manson murders. I found out that he is now a Christian. I >don't trust him. >Jason I don't believe you. You trust the liars at the ICR just because they claim to be Christian even though their entire livelihood relies on telling lies about science. Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Jun 14, 3:48 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181790697.078786.266...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 14, 7:36 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <i9Zbi.6114$K8.3...@bignews7.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > > >news:Jason-1206072106570001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > > In article <jbdu63dbf8uae5r7fv9mee2g40sb6q0...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:09:13 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > >> <Jason-1206071509130...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >> >In article <31d3k4-7or....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > >> ><kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> [snips] > > > > > >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:03:44 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> It's easy to find people who will tell us what a blasphemous > > > > > infidel you > > > > >> >> >> are for saying that the 9/11 Jihadists were not pleasing > Allah with > > > > >> >> >> their actions. > > > > > >> >> > You already know that millions of people in America agree that the > > > > > actions > > > > >> >> > of those men were not pleasing to Jehovah. > > > > > >> >> "in America"? Oh, wonderful. Now someone's religion is invalidated > > > > >> >> simply by where they live . > > > > > >> >I mentioned America since those 3000 people were killed in America. > > > > >> >Millions of people in other countries also realize that the actions of > > > > >> >those men were not pleasing to Jehovah. > > > > > >> So you say. Apparently you never read the Old Testament. Jehovah was a > > > > >> pretty bloodthirsty tyrant. He might love the murders of 9/11 and the > > > > >> wars that happened afterward. > > > > > >> >What is your opinion about those men that killed 3000 people on 9/11? > > > > > >> They are evil. But I don't have to defend the evil acts that people do > > > > >> in the name of God. > > > > > >> Remember, they worship the same God you do. > > > > > > They worship a God named Allah. There were some people in the Bible that > > > > > worshipped a false God named Baal. Judges 2:13. I consider Allah to be a > > > > > false God. I already know people will diagree with me. > > > > > jason > > > > > How can you? They are the same god. Ironic isn't it. > > > > If you choose to believe that Jehovah and Allah are the same God--that is > > > up to you. I consider Baal and Allah to be false Gods. > > > "Baal" is a Hebrew word meaning "Lord" and "Allah" originated from the > > Hebrew word "Eloah" which you said was a name of your god. > I don't recall stating that. I may have stated that it may have been a > name for God. I just checked my Concordance and the word "Eloah" is NOT > mentioned in the Bible. Baal is mentioned in the Bible--Baal was a false > God. If I stated in a post that Eloah was a name for Jehovah--I was wrong. I have a theory: perhaps "Jason" is more than one person and they are being paid to post here. That would explain how they have been going for a year and a half without saying anything new and while they continuously contradict themselves and don't remember what they've said, Either that or Jason is completely senile. In any case, "Jason" needs to understand that the Old Testament was NOT written in English: it was written in Hebrew and that it is mindboggingly stupid of his to say "such and such a word is not in the Bible" when the fact is that Elohim, Eloah, Yahweh were all translated as "God" whether they refered to the same god or not. Once again, "Jason" demonstrates complete ignorance in a field which he professes to know something about. Martin Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:51:34 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >On 13 Jun., 03:11, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:21:04 -0700, gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> >On 12 Jun., 02:51, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:29:29 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason >> >> >> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:57:59 -0400, Al Klein wrote: >> >> >> And how can he argue with common descent? He didn't descend from >> >> >> his parents? >> >> >Well, there's that, but I was thinking more like this: if you take common >> >> >descent out of the picture, WTF is left? >> >> >> That we've all been here since the beginning? Even fundies don't >> >> reject the notion of reproduction. >> >> >But they disapprove of it. >> >> No, they only disapprove of using it for pleasure. They approve of it >> for making more fundies. Or if the man enjoys it when he's doing it >> with his wife. Or, if his wife has been turned into a pillar of salt, >> with his daughters. > >I wonder if the police would believe that pillar of salt story - "Sir, >can you explain why nobody has seen your wife lately?" I know child >welfare would be more than sceptical about Lot's explanation of his >daughters' pregnancies. God is more tolerant (or less intelligent) than the police. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 >> >> > If so, I will point out some obvious problems with your >> >> >explanation >> >> >> >> No, you won't. You will just point us to a place that closes >> >> its eyes and screams "gawddidit" over and over. >> >> >thanks for your answers--you get a grade of A. >> >> That's nice. Now respond to my answers. >> >> >> Don >> --- >> aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde >> Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. >> >> "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" >> Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" > > Did your teachers in high school and professors in college respond to > every answer you gave on every test or exam? What does this have to do with the price of eggs? Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in snip > Bramble, > Christians have very little power in America. Hahahahahahaha! You're funny. At least one state wanted to > teach Intelligent Design in the public school system. If we had the power > that you think we have, we would have been able to do it. We failed. Thank freakin' goodness. Look, keep your religious crap in religious schools and we'll all be happy. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <Jason-1406070132130001@66-52-22-114.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-CCA16E.18144813062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > <Jason-1306071628360001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > Bramble, > > > You are leaving out an important issue--several different posters told me > > > that even if I produced info. about physical evidence that proved her leg > > > bone grew two inches--they still would not be convinced that God healed > > > her. > > > > First off, you are lying again. Skeptics respond to evidence. If > > reliable evidence is produced of some claim, then the claim becomes more > > credible as a result... and skeptics will take a step toward being > > convinced of that claim. > > > > Second, you're mixing two things: > > > > 1. Whether the leg actually became longer, and > > 2. Whether some god or gods caused it to happen. (Built into this > > question is, of course, the question of whether any gods exist.) > > > > You believe both. At this point, you have provided reliable evidence of > > neither . Your second-hand testimony about a verbal claim given in a > > church is not reliable. > > > > Providing evidence for 1 is probably easier than providing evidence for > > 2. > > > > Actually, a THIRD question comes up. Even if you show evidence for 1 > > and 2, as hard as that will be, your next assignment would be to show > > evidence for the following claim: > > > > 3. That your Biblical god (named "God") was the god that caused it to > > happen. (Built into that claim, of course, is the claim that this > > particular god exists.) > > > > Got that? Can you see the need to walk us through the evidence for all > > three claims? > > > > Good luck with that. > > > > > I ask you Bramble > > > > I'm not Bramble, but.... > > > > >--what good would it do for me to spend time visiting > > > websites in search of information about physical evidence? > > > > Well, for one, you might learn something yourself. > > > > > If you were in my shoes, > > > > ...and with your malfunctioning sense of logic? > > > > > would you waste time finding evidence? > > > > What would make finding evidence a waste of time? > > > > Maybe you'd learn that there is none, and that you were wrong all along. > > > > Don't be afraid that learning such a thing could shake your faith in > > your god. I know that wouldn't happen. > > I asked at least two people a question like this: > > If I produced physical evidence that proved that Cheryl's leg bone grew > two inches, would you agree that God healed her? > > Both posters told be that even if I proved that Cheryl's leg bone grew two > inches, that it would NOT mean that God healed her. And that is a sensible, logical response. If you actually paid attention to what I wrote above, you would understand why. If you could see that claim #1 is separate from claim #2, that proving #1 is not the same thing as proving #2, then you would understand that the posters were answering you in a way that is consistent with logic. But seeing as you are deliberately obtuse and dishonest, I cannot imagine you would take the necessary steps to see that. > All of the various questions related to the THE MIRACLE HEALING TESTIMONY > OF WILLIAM A. KENT AND CHERYL PREWITT reminded me of a story in the Bible. Irrelevant. > See Luke 16:19-31. Bad start, Bible-Boy. Atheists don't consider the Bible a reliable source of truth. > The rich man was in the place of torment and requested > permission to return to the earth so that he could warn his brothers about > the place of torment. Abraham said to him, "They have Moses and the > prophets; let them hear them [Moses and the prophets]. The rich man said > to Abraham: "No, father Abraham, but if one went from the dead, they will > repent." And Abraham said to the rich man: "IF THEY HEAR NOT MOSES AND > THE PROPHETS, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, THOUGH ONE ROSE FROM THE > DEAD. Extremely irrelevant. > I hope that you now get the point. Yes. The point is that you value the irrelevant and discard the inconvenient. All because you hate science, reason and logic with every fiber of your being. > If you don't believe the words of Moses > and the Prophets, You have to prove that these fellows existed and said anything . Your Bible lacks credibility. YOU lack credibility. Live with it. > neither will you listen to William A. Kent, Cheryl > Prewitt or myself. That much is true. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1406071924070001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <5ddu44F33sbabU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >> > >> > I see it like this--and it's only my opinion--Weather is controlled by >> > natural weather patterns unless God intervenes such as by causing it to >> > rain to answer the prayers of Christian farmers. If God had not >> > intervened--the natural weather patterns would have determined the >> > weather. >> >> So, your god had no problem with Hurricane Katrina? > > Natural disasters happen--you could make a list of thousands of natural > disasters. Gee, no shit, Sherlock. And your god doesn't stop them because.............................? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message snip > > Belief is not evidence. In relation to abiogenesis, lots of people have a > belief that it happened that way. Belief is not evidence. Keep that in mind when you're trying to peddle your religious crap to us. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <Jason-1306071616390001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <O3Zbi.6110$K8.4366@bignews7.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:Jason-1306071315590001@66-52-22-31.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <f4ottt$j2u$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >> > In article <1181643770.817395.36870@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > > >> > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> >> A person that has been healed is evidence that he was healed. It is > > >> >> not evidence of a god. > > >> > > > >> > Yes, that is true. > > >> > > >> "The evidence that they were healed is evidence for God." > > > > > > People can believe the evidence (testimony) or reject the evidence > > > (testimony. > > > > A testimony is not evidence in this instance. Remember what I told you many > > posts ago, and you have conveniently forgotten, extraordinary claims > > require > > extraordinary evidence. > > Yes, I remember. Even I said that. But, you've decided to ignore it. Right? -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <Jason-1406071515390001@66-52-22-102.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I read a book entitled, "The Sum of All Fears" by Tom Clancy. This is what counts for research for you: The Bible and fictional thrillers. No surprise there. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <Jason-1406071910260001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Bramble, > Christians have very little power in America. Another lie from the habitual liar. > At least one state wanted to > teach Intelligent Design in the public school system. If we had the power > that you think we have, we would have been able to do it. We failed. Terrible example. The Constitution tends to override the strivings of special interest groups to destroy the first amendment. Yet Churches still don't have to pay taxes, the current administration has managed to have our taxes go into "faith-based initiatives," and the public still has to "get used to" the concept of a non-Christian President. > The advocates of evolution have more power than we have. Baloney. > The countries in > Europe has as much to fear from Muslems as America. I have read that the > Muslim's goal is to eventually take over Spain. You've "read" bigoted nonsense. There are a few groups that would like to restore the Arab empire to the Andalusian peninsula. There are a handful of Brits, no doubt, that would like the colonies back. Meanwhile, we have taken over Iraq... and not "eventually"... and are building permanent bases. So what's new? > They have major problems > in London related to terrorists. You probably know more about it than I do > since you live in Europe. What country do you live in--is it France? > Jason Your knowledge of the world is woefully distorted. No surprise. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:37:11 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-1406071937110001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <l0c373tfbfr5u281gigmjrqo37di297epn@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: .... >> That has absolutely nothing to do with the _fact_ that Jews, Christian, >> Moslems and Bahai all agree that they worship the same God, the God of >> Abraham. I don't know what god you worship. If you worship the God of >> Abraham, you worship the same God that Moslems worship. >> >> Deal with reality sometime. I'm sick of the lies that you tell because >> you indulge in so much wishful thinking and intentional ignorance. > >If you choose to believe it--that is up to you. It's my opinion that Baal >and Allah are false Gods. Your opinion is wrong. I don't care how many opinions you have that are derived from your intentional ignorance. Because you choose to be ignorant and dishonest, you deserve to be chastised. Once again, the fact is that Allah is the Arabic word for God. You basically said in your proud ignorance, that Christian Arabs worship false gods because they call God Allah. You are a fool and a bigot. >I have not conducted any research related to >Bahai. This sentence is from the Quran: > >"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and sieze them, >beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem (of war)." >(Surah 9:5) > >From Surah 5:33 >"....cutting off of hands and feet..." > The doctrines of Islam may be considered heretical by Christians, but they are not Pagan. Learn the difference and stop worshipping your own ignorance. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:40:47 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-1406071940480001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1181866254.662302.244500@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin ><phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> In any case, "Jason" needs to understand that the Old Testament was >> NOT written in English: it was written in Hebrew and that it is >> mindboggingly stupid of his to say "such and such a word is not in the >> Bible" when the fact is that Elohim, Eloah, Yahweh were all translated >> as "God" whether they refered to the same god or not. >> >> Once again, "Jason" demonstrates complete ignorance in a field which >> he professes to know something about. >> >> Martin > >Martin, >My Bible was written in English. My concordance is written in English. I >don't own any Bibles that were written in other languages. >jason > Then why do you complain when those who do know something of other languages refer to the differences in the other languages. If you had any shame, if you were a Christian, you would stop lecturing people about things that you know nothing of. You would stop offering your opinion when your opinion is contrary to actual facts. You would show some humility. But you are shameless and no one would ever arrest you for being a Christian, so that won't happen, will it? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:47:26 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-1406071947270001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <e4c37352rsu9akoeoi2jld8sdh7bpn28n3@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:35:14 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-1406070135150001@66-52-22-114.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <0c41731qbu3l8n3j7rhumqe3vmdvf5rvs7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:22:57 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-1306070022570001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <1181708123.776350.23860@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> ><phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Jun 13, 11:59 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> > In article <1181695356.967104.238...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, >> >Martin >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> > > By the way, Genesis 1 says "El" created the universe and mankind but >> >> >> > > Genesis 2 says it was "Yahweh". >> >> >> >> >> >> > Do you have the verses? El may be one of the many names of God. >> >> >> >> >> >> In fact, Genesis 1 talks about the Elohim, which means "gods", in >> >> >> plural. (e.g. Genesis 6:2, "... the sons of Elohim saw the daughters >> >> >> of men that they were fair; and they took them for wives... ,") >> >> >> >> >> >> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim >> >> >> >> >> >> Martin >> >> > >> >> >This is in reference to the intermarriage among the Cainites and Sethites. >> >> >The Cainites were sinful, evil people and the Sethites were devoted and >> >> >consecrated to God. God became very upset with the Sethites for taking >> >> >Cainite women as their wives since God wanted them to only marry Sethite >> >> >women. >> >> > >> >> >I copied most of the above info. from a footnote in my study Bible. >> >> >Jason >> >> > >> >> The authors of your study bible note were making it up. They have no >> >> evidence at all that their claim is correct. >> > >> >Should I believe you or the words of the W.A. Chriswell, Ph.D--the editor >> >of my study Bible or yourself--take a guess on my choice. >> > >> I know that you would be mistaken to believe those who make things up >> like this, but I also know that you have a demonstrated willingness to >> be led astray by those who tell you what you want to hear. Chriswell >> does not have _any_ evidence that "this is in reference to the >> intermarriage among the Cainites and Sethites." >> >> Deal with facts. > >I have no reason to doubt Dr. Chriswell. > That's because you reject the whole concept of evidence. Anyone can tell you any lie as long as they claim God wants it. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if you misrepresented what Chriswell said, you do have a long track record of misunderstanding what others are trying to tell you and misrepresenting these things to others. Quote
Guest 655321 Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <Jason-1306071725020001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Sorry--Neither Cheryl or I have such a tape. If you choose to believe that > Cheryl is lying--there is nothing I can do about it. I believe her. You believe a great deal more than that. You believe that BibleGod Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <1181855287.946802.104670@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, bramble <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote: > On 14 jun, 20:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <5dd120F32b33...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote i > > > > > snip > > > > > > Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. > > > > > So? You believe every thing you're told? > > > > In relation to some people, including Chery Prewitt, I do believe what > > they say. I don't believe everything that many people say---such as Bill > > Clinton. Did you believe him when he stated, "I did not have sex with that > > woman"? > > > No. But I felt much worse with the men asking Clinton that personal > thing, than with the stupid answer of the president. Here, in Europe, > we have the pervasive idea that Clinton should have said, "fuck off, > jerk!" > If the journalists insisted in the same question, he should have said, > "go hell, bastard!" No any need to pay tribute to all the hypocrites > that hoped him to say this stupid answer. > Francois Mitterand was president of France for many years. He was > living with a misses without being divorced, had a daughter with the > facy woman he was cohabitating and nobody ever dared to ask him, "are > you living in concubinage?" At the burying ceremony were present both > women and all his children. This is a civilization. A civilization > the fundies want to obliterate. > This is a war, Jason. You digging the foundations for the next civil > war in the US. It is sad to me. I loved much America, till I began > to heard the fundies making war noises. > Bramble Bramble, Christians have very little power in America. At least one state wanted to teach Intelligent Design in the public school system. If we had the power that you think we have, we would have been able to do it. We failed. The advocates of evolution have more power than we have. The countries in Europe has as much to fear from Muslems as America. I have read that the Muslim's goal is to eventually take over Spain. They have major problems in London related to terrorists. You probably know more about it than I do since you live in Europe. What country do you live in--is it France? Jason Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:54:53 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-1406071954540001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <f8c3731iiqusaoisg7njqpar12qnbt5q0m@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:01:09 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-1406070201090001@66-52-22-114.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <8f4173tmksbno3p7t9nf3h9hriue2vrlkl@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> So you claim, but I've learned that your claims are not reliable. I >> >> would be a total fool to accept something that you tell me without any >> >> evidence or reference. >> > >> >I heard the story on a Christian radio show. I found this story on the web: >> > >> >Vietnam Police Kill Christian Prisoners And Relatives, Investigators Say >> >Added: May 29th, 2007 2:47 AM >> > >> >By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent BosNewsLife with >> >reporting from Vietnam >> > >> >HANOI, VIETNAM (BosNewsLife) -- Vietnamese security forces have tortured >> >and killed at least two Christian Degar Montagnards in Vietnam's Central >> >Highlands in recent months and allegedly murdered relatives of religious >> >prisoners, representatives said Monday, May 28. >> > >> >The US-based advocacy group Montagnard Foundation Incorporated (MFI), >> >which has contacts in the region, told BosNewsLife that one of the >> >Christian Degar Montagnard prisoners, 43-year-old Rahlan Lua from the >> >village of Bon Toat in Gialai province, died last month, April 10. He died >> >"from the effects of torture and maltreatment he received in prison," MFI >> >stressed. >> >> Please notice that this is not a news report but the hearsay of a story >> told by one group with a political agenda to someone else with a >> political agenda. Please also notice that these people were not only >> Christian, but also anti-government activists and members of minorities. >> I have no idea if they were killed by government agents, but, once >> again, you are too self-centered to recognize that the Christianity of >> these activists is not the problem. >> >> ... > >Are you saying that you have evidence that the story is false? > I have no evidence that the story is true as you presented it. I also have no reason to trust the storytellers. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 In article <pue373hcaj30bj1jcgp9lfvpf27cuklsab@4ax.com>, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:44:42 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > (Jason) let us all know that: > > >In article <k9h273p8806sfnq9i3hevsje8qufrapnca@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > ><ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > > >> In alt.atheism On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:24:58 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > >> (Jason) let us all know that: > >> > >> >In article <eig17358isldvc4vhf9pg2rromvhsrn7q2@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > >> ><ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In alt.atheism On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:22:05 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > >> >> (Jason) let us all know that: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <46n0735npa5v05vudinp6rpte4i50rr7p3@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > >> >> ><ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> In alt.atheism On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:03:30 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > >> >> >> (Jason) let us all know that: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <f4pa1r$vpv$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > >> >> >> ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >> >> >> > In article <opc3k4-7or.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > >> >> >> >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> [snips] > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:42:26 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> Yes, that is true. If I provided physical evidence which > >> >indicated that > >> >> >> >> >>> her leg bone grew 2 inches--how would you explain how it > >happened? > >> >> >> >> >> Honestly, by stating the cause - if any, you haven't validated > >> >> >even this > >> >> >> >> >> much yet - simply isn't known yet. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "I don't know" is not the same as "Yes, there really is a super > >> >> >being who, > >> >> >> >> >> of all the thousands of such beings described, just happens to > >> >> >match this > >> >> >> >> >> particular one and he really does heal people, but does it > >magically > >> >> >> >> >> without leaving any evidence he did it - or even that he exists." > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> You see how those differ? Maybe, some day, you'll let it sink in. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Have you considered that God is giving you evidence that he > >exists by > >> >> >> >> > healing people? Maybe, some day, you'll let it sink in. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Are all the people that aren't healed evidence that there is no god? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> BTW, if I went to a doctor that had as bad of a healing rate as your > >> >> >> >> god, I'd sue him for malpractice. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >The people (like Cheryl Prewitt) that are healed by God > >> >> >> > >> >> >> She was healed by god because you say so. That doesn't fly. > >> >> > > >> >> >Cheryl Prewitt told me that she was healed by God. > >> >> > >> >> So what? > >> >> > >> >> And I reposted my responses to your 20 questions. Are you > >> >> going to address them? > >> >> > >> > >> >Thank you for answering the questions. > >> > > >> When will you address them? Here: let me repost them AGAIN. In > >> fact, every response to you from now on will include those answers. > >> Every. Single. Response. From. Me. > >> > >> > 20 Questions for Evolutionists > >> > > >> > 1. Where has macro evolution ever been observed? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html > >> > >> > What's the mechanism > >> >for getting new complexity such as new vital organs? > >> > >> Mutation. Natural selection > >> > >> > >> >How, for example, > >> >could a caterpillar evolve into a butterfly? > >> > >> It transforms, dumbshit. > >> > >> > > >> > 2. Where are the billions of transitional fossils that should be there > >> >if your theory is right? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html > >> > >> > >> > 3. Who are the evolutionary ancestors of the insects? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC220_1.html > >> > >> > >> > 4. What evidence is there that information, such as that in DNA, could > >> >ever assemble itself? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF003.html > >> > >> > >> > 5. How could organs as complicated as the eye > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB301.html > >> > >> > or the ear > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB302.html > >> > >> > >> > or the brain of even a tiny bird ever come about by chance or natural > >processes? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB303.html > >> > >> > >> > How could a bacterial motor evolve? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200_1.html > >> > >> > > >> > 6. If the solar system evolved, why do three planets spin backwards? > >> > >> Oh for fucks sake, Hovind: this has nothing to do with > >> evolution. 7 and 8 have nothing to do with evolution, either. That is > >> in the field of COSMOLOGY and ASTROPHYSICS, moron. Stop believing Kent > >> Hovind. He's a liar and a con-artist. > >> > >> > >> > 9. How did sexual reproduction evolve? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/dec98.html > >> > >> > > >> > 10. If the big bang occurred, where did all the information > >> > >> It's not information. > >> > >> > >> > 11. Why do so many of the earth's ancient cultures have flood legends? > >> > >> Because the started near rivers. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > 12. Where did matter come from? > >> > >> Where did god come from? > >> > >> > What about space, time, energy, and even the laws of physics? > >> > > >> > 13. How did the first living cell begin? > >> > >> No one really knows, but it's not a miracle. > >> > >> How did god begin? Yes, god began. No, god didn't not begin. > >> Yes, god began. No, god didn't not begin. I'll keep repeating that > >> until you understand that you can't special plead. > >> > >> > >> > 14. Just before life appeared, did the atmosphere have oxygen or did > >> >it not have oxygen? > >> > >> Didn't. > >> > >> > > >> > 15. Why aren't meteorites found in supposedly old rocks? > >> > >> We do find them there in their remnants. Search for "iridium > >> layer" in google. You'll find something interesting. > >> > >> > > >> > 16. If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn't it take > >> >vastly more intelligence to create a human? > >> > >> Why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence than that to > >> create god? > >> > >> > Do you really believe that > >> >hydrogen will turn into people if you wait long enough? > >> > >> Only if you want to strawman evolution, which clearly you do. > >> > >> > > >> > 17. Which came first, DNA or the proteins needed by DNA--which can > >> >only be produced by DNA? > >> > >> http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB015.html > >> > >> > > >> > 18. Can you name one reasonable hypothesis on how the moon got > >> >there > >> > >> http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/moon/moon_formation.html > >> > >> > >> >--any hypothesis that is consistent with all the data? Why aren't > >> >students told the scientific reasons for rejecting all the evolutionary > >> >theories for the moon's origin? > >> > >> There AREN'T any evolutionary theories for it because IT'S NOT > >> PART OF EVOLUTION, YOU IGNORANT FUCK. IT'S PART OF > >> ASTROPHYSICS/COSMOLOGY, YOU IGNORANT FUCK. > >> > >> > >> > 19. Why won't qualified evolutionists enter into a written, scientific > >> >debate? > >> > >> Because they don't want to dirty themselves with the laughable > >> bullshit of creationists. > >> > >> > > >> > 20. Would you like to explain the origin of any of the following > >> >twenty-one features of the earth: > >> > >> No. I've humored you enough > >> > >> > >> > >> > If so, I will point out some obvious problems with your > >> >explanation > >> > >> No, you won't. You will just point us to a place that closes > >> its eyes and screams "gawddidit" over and over. > > >thanks for your answers--you get a grade of A. > > That's nice. Now respond to my answers. > > > Don > --- > aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde > Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. > > "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" > Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Did your teachers in high school and professors in college respond to every answer you gave on every test or exam? Quote
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