Guest Jason Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 In article <a2197392d9ps5ksrbnmk2av9v35k4tui8p@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 <Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: > > >In article <2di873lbeeshm9r2u5i2dp4c1q3cv5padi@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 > ><Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: > >> > >> > > >> >No, there was a crowd of people gathered around the table waiting for > >> >Cheryl to show up and sign the books for them. I did not buy a copy. I had > >> >already heard her testimony so saw no reason to read the book. It was > >> >probably her life story--including details about the car accident and > >> >healing. > >> > >> So you don't know if she presents any evidence in the book, for her > >> claims. > > > >No--I did not buy the book or read the book. As someone pointed out to me, > >even if the physical evidence proved that the bone grew two inches--it > >would not prove that God healed her. Of course, Cheryl and most of the > >Christians that heard her testimony and have read her book believe that > >God healed her leg. > > > Being Christians, they would. Even if she had the two inches added by > the injection of growth hormone, or gene therapy, or whatever would > activate the growth lines in her femur -- some could believe that > that's how Goddidit. > > In my own case, the growth lines in my lower right femur were > inactivated by driving staples into them, clamping them off, so that > my right leg ended up the same length as my left leg. I could say this > was God-directed, no? The doctors should get the credit. One Christian doctor used to say, "I do what I can do and God does the rest". Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:33:14 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:31:32 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in ><Jason-1606071331320001@66-52-22-19.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <bra873tuptej1b6nio0c4q9amov1e7lc57@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 >><Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: >> >>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: >>> >>> <...> >>> > >>> >I disagree. In my scenario, there was NO physical evidence. However, there >>> >were 8 witnesses that heard him say, "I'm going to kill that woman." They >>> >observed him take a gun in the apartment and heard a gunshot. They found >>> >the man's dead wife. I would have believed the testimony of the witnesses. >>> >I would have found him guilty. >>> > >>> I recommend the movie "12 Angry Men". >> >>Juries make mistakes. I believe O.J's jury made a major mistake. I would >>have found O.J. guilty. >> >>Dozens (or perhaps hundreds) of convicts have been released from prison as >>a direct result of DNA tests that confirmed they were not guilty. That >>means that lots of juries made incorrect decisions. >> >>When I serve on jury duty, my concern is justice for the victim. That is >>the reason I would find the husband guilty. >> >Because it's more important to find someone guilty than to actually find >the right person. > >You hate our system of justice. To be fair, most people would find the husband guilty under these circumstances: >> >I disagree. In my scenario, there was NO physical evidence. However, there >> >were 8 witnesses that heard him say, "I'm going to kill that woman." They >> >observed him take a gun in the apartment and heard a gunshot. They found >> >the man's dead wife. I would have believed the testimony of the witnesses. >> >I would have found him guilty. However, it appears that Jason has changed the details a bit since he first proposed the question. Seems to me, IIRC, that in the "original draft", there was no gun and no dead body. Just an overheard argument and a missing wife. Under those circumstances, the police might well have their suspicions, but they'd have no valid reason to arrest the man, let alone charge him with murder. However, if the wife doesn't soon turn up alive and well, they're definitely going to be watching him. Quote
Guest David V. Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 Jason wrote: > "David." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >>> In order for lower life forms (living cells) to evolve >>> into higher life forms (mammals)--major mutations would >>> have been required. >> >> No, it would not. >> >>> example: Hyracotherium evolving into Equus >> >> Which is why a hyracotherium did not evolve into an equus. >> >> Evolution doesn't work that way.... and you know it. > > Did you want me to mention all of the steps: No. Those are points along a continuum, not "steps." But then you knew that. -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 In article <7c29735s3e2ff7nlm8mqtbeq7lnihmuej4@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:44:24 -0700, in alt.atheism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-1606071644240001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <v2l873582f7e4uacs5tc1jtbvc074da6d4@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:19:30 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-1606071519300001@66-52-22-19.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article <2di873lbeeshm9r2u5i2dp4c1q3cv5padi@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 > >> ><Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >No, there was a crowd of people gathered around the table waiting for > >> >> >Cheryl to show up and sign the books for them. I did not buy a copy. I had > >> >> >already heard her testimony so saw no reason to read the book. It was > >> >> >probably her life story--including details about the car accident and > >> >> >healing. > >> >> > >> >> So you don't know if she presents any evidence in the book, for her > >> >> claims. > >> > > >> >No--I did not buy the book or read the book. As someone pointed out to me, > >> >even if the physical evidence proved that the bone grew two inches--it > >> >would not prove that God healed her. Of course, Cheryl and most of the > >> >Christians that heard her testimony and have read her book believe that > >> >God healed her leg. > >> > > >> Have you finally acknowledged that belief is not evidence? > > > >Testimony is evidence but testimony can be accepted or rejected. In this > >case, belief is not evidence. > > Not all proposed testimony will be allowed to be presented as evidence. > This is not a question for the jury to decide. The rules of procedure > tell the judges what kinds of testimony they may allow and the kinds > they must forbid. As you note, the jury is free to accept or reject any > piece of testimony because testimony is so unreliable compared with > other legal evidence. > > Belief is _never_ evidence under any circumstance. > > Do you comprehend that simple fact? When I was called for jury duty, we all had to listen to the judge tell us some of the same information that you mentioned in your post. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <bra873tuptej1b6nio0c4q9amov1e7lc57@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 > <Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: >> >> <...> >>> I disagree. In my scenario, there was NO physical evidence. However, there >>> were 8 witnesses that heard him say, "I'm going to kill that woman." They >>> observed him take a gun in the apartment and heard a gunshot. They found >>> the man's dead wife. I would have believed the testimony of the witnesses. >>> I would have found him guilty. >>> >> I recommend the movie "12 Angry Men". > > Juries make mistakes. I believe O.J's jury made a major mistake. I would > have found O.J. guilty. > > Dozens (or perhaps hundreds) of convicts have been released from prison as > a direct result of DNA tests that confirmed they were not guilty. That > means that lots of juries made incorrect decisions. > > When I serve on jury duty, my concern is justice for the victim. That is > the reason I would find the husband guilty. > > That's not your job. Your job as a juror is to assess the facts and decide guilt or innocence. That's all. Too many innocents have been wrongfully convicted of crimes they did not commit because public opinion was inflamed by the event. What you are doing is not justice, it's letting emotions get in the way of rationality. Is it justice for the victim to convict an innocent person? You decide. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 In article <brKdnS6w5O9iCenbnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In order for lower life forms (living cells) to evolve into higher life > > forms (mammals)--major mutations would have been required. > > No, it would not. > > > example: Hyracotherium evolving into Equus > > Which is why a hyracotherium did not evolve into an equus. > > Evolution doesn't work that way.... and you know it. Did you want me to mention all of the steps: step 1: Hyracotherium--"vaguely horselike creature" step 2: Orohippus step 3: Epihippus step 4: Mesohippus step 5: Dinohippus step 6: Equus--"modern genus of horse" source: National Geographic--Nov 2004--article: "Was Darwin Wrong" Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:14:37 -0400, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >You can think for yourself, can't you? He's a Christian. Of course he can't. > > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 In article <qja9739q0g0d4jf795abu1i5tt5fjkghlt@4ax.com>, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:31:32 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >In article <bra873tuptej1b6nio0c4q9amov1e7lc57@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 > ><Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: > >> > >> <...> > >> > > >> >I disagree. In my scenario, there was NO physical evidence. However, there > >> >were 8 witnesses that heard him say, "I'm going to kill that woman." They > >> >observed him take a gun in the apartment and heard a gunshot. They found > >> >the man's dead wife. I would have believed the testimony of the witnesses. > >> >I would have found him guilty. > >> > > >> I recommend the movie "12 Angry Men". > > > >Juries make mistakes. I believe O.J's jury made a major mistake. I would > >have found O.J. guilty. > > The jury didn't find Simpson not guilty because they actually believed > he was not guilty. They did so because it was discovered during the > trial that a racist cop named Mark Fuhrman had tampered with the > evidence. Several members of the jury later stated in interviews that > under the circumstances, they felt they really had no other choice. > > > > >Dozens (or perhaps hundreds) of convicts have been released from prison as > >a direct result of DNA tests that confirmed they were not guilty. That > >means that lots of juries made incorrect decisions. > > Yes they have. And it really isn't their fault. It's because the deck > is stacked against the accused from the start, especially if he or she > is poor and/or non-white. Prosecutors routinely petition judges to > disallow evidence they feel could hurt their case, and court-appointed > defense attorneys more often than not don't protest because they just > don't give a damn. > > It might interest you to know that several years ago, legislation was > proposed in Congress that would have made DNA testing mandatory in all > felony cases where such testing was possible (i.e. where DNA evidence > existed). By far the majority of prosecutors opposed the measure, > citing the high cost of DNA testing as the reason for their > opposition. Oddly enough, I don't hear those same prosecutors > complaining about the cost when they think DNA testing will establish > guilt. And why do you suppose that is? Simple. Most prosecutors > don't really care about seeing justice done. They just want to put a > warm body in a prison cell so they can stamp the case file closed. The > reason for that is no secret. Prosecutors who don't secure high > conviction rates don't keep their jobs. It's all politics. It has > nothing to do with justice. > > > > >When I serve on jury duty, my concern is justice for the victim. That is > >the reason I would find the husband guilty. > > Well, try this on for size. Every person who goes to prison for a > crime he/she didn't commit is also a victim. > > > > I agree that every person who goes to prison for a crime he/she didn't commit is also a victim. I also agree that improvements need to be made in the criminal justice system. Poor people that are accused of crimes do not get the same justice as rich people that are accused of crimes. The main reason that O.J. was found not guilty is because he had some of the best lawyers in America working for him. Jason Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:19:30 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <2di873lbeeshm9r2u5i2dp4c1q3cv5padi@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 ><Jim07D7@nospam.net> wrote: > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) said: >> >> > >> >No, there was a crowd of people gathered around the table waiting for >> >Cheryl to show up and sign the books for them. I did not buy a copy. I had >> >already heard her testimony so saw no reason to read the book. It was >> >probably her life story--including details about the car accident and >> >healing. >> >> So you don't know if she presents any evidence in the book, for her >> claims. > >No--I did not buy the book or read the book. As someone pointed out to me, >even if the physical evidence proved that the bone grew two inches--it >would not prove that God healed her. Of course, Cheryl and most of the >Christians that heard her testimony and have read her book believe that >God healed her leg. A hypothetical question, Jason. Suppose someone were to decide to investigate Prewitt's story, and, just for the sake of argument, let's assume they uncover conclusive proof that the whole thing is a load of manure. Not just evidence that casts doubt on her story, but absolute, posiitive proof it's a lie. Would you admit you'd been duped and resolve to be a bit less credulous in the future, or would you, as I suspect, simply handwave it away and go on believing as though nothing had happened? > Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 7:06 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1iv573117ivs5agfgk2di9kjs5qim6j...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > In alt.atheism On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:12:37 -0700, J...@nospam.com > > (Jason) let us all know that: > > > >In article <pue373hcaj30bj1jcgp9lfvpf27cukl...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > > ><ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > >> That's nice. Now respond to my answers. > > > >Did your teachers in high school and professors in college respond to > > >every answer you gave on every test or exam? > > > Yes. Now respond to my answers. > > Do you want me to write "excellent answer" next to each answer. We actually want you to think before you post. Why is that so hard for you? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 7:21 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <OxDci.291$P8....@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Why don't you buy a copy of Misquoting Jesus and read it? > > I have no desire to read such a book. Why do you post about a subject you are not even interested in? > A book written by Tom Clancy would > be more interesting to me. Someone suggested that I read a book related to > Quantum Physics--that made me laugh. I barely passed the college math 101 > class. Again, why were you asking questions about big bang theory, a subject you are obviously neither interested in nor capable of understanding anything about? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 7:40 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <5fv57314fnidrhvm30gm4rp9seh2i4k...@4ax.com>, Jim07D7 > <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote: > > "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> said: > > > >Jason has been pointed out to you Allah is the Arabic word for God nothing > > >more nothing less. The Jews do not say the name of God at all, and > > >Christians just use the generic term God. Both the Christian and the Muslim > > >are offshoots of Judaism so you both have Jewish roots and all three groups > > >are in fact worshipping the same God. Furthermore you are also all > > >worshiping the same Ultimate God of all other Faiths as well as St. > > >Augustine said in "The City of God" the God we worship " is the God whom > > >Porphyry, the most learned of philosophers, although the fiercest of enemy > > >of the Christian, acknowledges to be a Great God..." Furthermore, the Pagan > > >Maximus of Tyre wrote: "In the midst of such contention and strife, and > > >disagreement you would see in all the earth one harmonious law and principle > > >that there is one God, king and father of all, and many gods, sons of God, > > >fellow rulers with God. The Greek says this and the barbarian says it, the > > >mainlander and the seafarer, the wise and the unwise." > > > In order for different people to worship the same god, that god has to > > exist. Without this, all that can be said is that their depictions of > > the god are general enough to coincide. Please provide reasons to > > believe a god exists. > > First, I don't agree that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. > There are vast differences between the Christian religion and the Muslim > Religion. > > I don't have the proof that you are asking about. A belief in God is based > on faith. It's difficult to explain faith. No, faith is easy to explain: faith means stupidly believing in things that don't exist. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 7:40 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > When I > heard a testimony from Cheryl Prewitt--that was evidence for God's > existence for me. However, I can easily understand why atheists would not > believe her testimony since they don't believe in God. It's more than that, Jason: when a person breaks their leg, it usually take a month -tops- before they are up and walking again. Doctor's NEVER remove bone because they know the bone will natural heal: no god is involved. Many of us posting here have had broken arms or legs or know somebody who has and we know that these things heal naturally. Furthermore, there's no reason why a person's leg would be two inches shorter after it has been broken and, hence, no reason for it to grow back. So, in addition to knowing little or no math or biology, no chemistry, no physics, no psychology and no history, it turns out that Jason knows nothing about medicine either. So, you see, Jason, the reason we don't believe her is not simply because we don't believe in your god, it is because, unlike you, we are not ignorant uneducated morons. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 7:41 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <tvDci.289$P8...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Ever read the Old Testament. That is part of your bible, isn't it? > > Yes He just doesn't remember anything he reads, let alone understand any of it. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 9:19 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <QbFci.4085$c06.4...@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 > > <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > > The article that I read indicated that various Mullahs are encouraging > > > various followers to move to Spain. After Muslims become the majority of > > > the population, they will vote in Muslim politicians that will eventually > > > establish Spain as a Muslim country and establish the same sorts of laws > > > that they now have in Iran. > > > Are you actually concerned about this? In what source did this article > > appear? What political agenda does the author have? > > > -- > > 655321 > > I stated that it was from an article but later remembered the source: > A Christian ie a liar Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 9:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <lYEci.1211$s9....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-1506071621450001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <OxDci.291$P8....@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> Why don't you buy a copy of Misquoting Jesus and read it? > > > > I have no desire to read such a book. A book written by Tom Clancy would > > > be more interesting to me. Someone suggested that I read a book related to > > > Quantum Physics--that made me laugh. I barely passed the college math 101 > > > class. > > > If you don't care to read 'such a book',then you have no authority to argue > > with others when it comes to your bible. Don't be ignorant all of your life, > > do something about it! > > You should consider reading this book: "Jerusalem Countdown" by a > television preacher named John Hagee. What makes you think we have any "desire" to read propaganda books written by lying Christians. We were exposed to enough lies when we read the Bible. Do you know what I do now if I find a copy of the Bible in my possession? I rip it up and throw it out. I suggest you do the same with all of yours: they have poisoned your mind. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 9:26 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I hope those Arabic Christians realize that the true God is very different > than a false God. On the contrary, there is NO true god and any god that anybody has ever imagined has been equally false. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 9:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <rg4673t02p5k6qdd1qh2i4jm4b20gr8...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:03:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-1506071503110...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > ... > > > >I doubt that is true. Who makes them sign the pledge? > > > Ask the ICR, CRS and AIG. > > > The ICR tells us that they won't let something as silly as facts get in > > the way of their teaching of doctrine: <http://icr.org/home/faq/> and > > scroll down a bit. > > Thanks--I would like to read that pledge. They are hardly going to make it public, are they? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 9:59 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1v3673dt5lsaeeelj2sevnbsmorev24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:40:34 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-1506071540340...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >In article <1wCci.267$P8...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > ><mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >>news:Jason-1506071200360001@66-52-22-34.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > ... > > >> > We don't know. We are hoping that it will be soon. > > > >> Well read the damn verses Jason, they say it will be soon. Just for your > > >> information, two thousand years isn't 'soon'. Before you go into a > 'we don't > > >> know how soon it is in god's time' defense, read the verses and tell > me when > > >> you think Jesus said he would come. Just one more of literally > thousands of > > >> reasons to conclude that your god doesn't exist. > > > >Some of the prophecies related to the last days did not come true until > > >the past 10 to 20 years. Here is one of them: > > >2 Tim 4:3-5 > > > >For the time will come when [Christians] will not endure sound doctrine; > > >but after their own lusts shall heap to themselves teachers [and > > >preachers]. Those [preachers] will teach them not what the truth is but > > >instead what they want to hear > > > >My comment: That prophecy has come true in my life time. There is one > > >church in California called Unity Fellowship. The preachers are more like > > >psychologists than real preachers. There is a television show that is > > >broadcast on Sunday morning called the "Hour of Power". The preacher never > > >discusses Bible doctrines. He teaches messages related to psychology and > > >sociology. I have never heard him preach messages from the Bible. > > >Jason > > > Jason, Christians have been claiming that they were in the last days > > ever since Christianity began. Your ignorance of history betrays you and > > gives you the foolish idea that only recently have these 'signs' been > > fulfilled. Once again I have to wonder if you are really a Christian. > > My father (in the 1950's) believed that he was living in the last days. > According to the Bible, the deciples of Jesus hoped Jesus would return > during their life times. I have never claimed to be a Bible scholar. I > learn new things every time I listen to another sermon. Translation: "My brainwashing is reinforced with every sermon." Too bad you never listen to people who tell you the truth! Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 11:12 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:48:48 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-1506071848480...@66-52-22-96.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article <rg4673t02p5k6qdd1qh2i4jm4b20gr8...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:03:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-1506071503110...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> ... > > >> >I doubt that is true. Who makes them sign the pledge? > > >> Ask the ICR, CRS and AIG. > > >> The ICR tells us that they won't let something as silly as facts get in > >> the way of their teaching of doctrine: <http://icr.org/home/faq/> and > >> scroll down a bit. > > >Thanks--I would like to read that pledge. > > Read it. You mean "ICR holds to certain tenets. By Biblical Creationism, ICR believes: "The Creator of the universe is a triune God -- Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one eternal and transcendent God, the source of all being and meaning, and He exists in three persons, each of whom participated in the work of creation." and so on? Do you think ICR would allow any of its employees to deviate from their dogma, Jason? These guys with Ph.D.s who write articles for their newsletters are their emplyees. Period. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 1:05 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > You are a college professor despite the fact that you are not acting like > one. Jason, you are a complete moron and you are acting like one. Who the Hell are YOU to tell a college professor how he should behave? I started by treating you with respect and you come back and tell us we are "fucking morons" for disagreeing with you. In your 57 years of life, did you ever learn to respect people who are better educated and more knowledgable than you? Obviously not. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 1:05 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Do you make a comment next to every answer on every test or exam that > you have graded? Yes, I do, Jason. It's my job. That's the reason why I am a college professor and you are not. That plus the fact that you are an ignorant, uneducated moron. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 1:13 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <i5sbk4-7cg....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > [snips] > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:57:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > Is a testimony evidence? > > > No, it's testimony. Nor does your exemplar even qualify; even the people > > involved don't claim to have seen God, or seen how the healings were > > performed; they only assert "God dunnit" with no foundation whatsoever. > > > Anyone can make claims. Finding someone else making the same claim > > doesn't back it up; it just means there are two people failing to provide > > evidence of their claims. > > > By your logic, if Free Lunch claimed he was the president of the United > > States and I said the same thing, this is "evidence" that he is, in fact, > > the president. Obviously this is not true, so there's something wrong > > with your logic. Try again. > > I now understand why atheists do not believe Cheryl Prewitt's testimony. It's because it is a pack of lies. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 2:13 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1181967452.648060.146...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Jun 16, 9:59 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1v3673dt5lsaeeelj2sevnbsmorev24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:40:34 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > <Jason-1506071540340...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article <1wCci.267$P8...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > ><mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > >>news:Jason-1506071200360001@66-52-22-34.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > ... > > > > >> > We don't know. We are hoping that it will be soon. > > > > > >> Well read the damn verses Jason, they say it will be soon. Just > for your > > > > >> information, two thousand years isn't 'soon'. Before you go into a > > > 'we don't > > > > >> know how soon it is in god's time' defense, read the verses and tell > > > me when > > > > >> you think Jesus said he would come. Just one more of literally > > > thousands of > > > > >> reasons to conclude that your god doesn't exist. > > > > > >Some of the prophecies related to the last days did not come true until > > > > >the past 10 to 20 years. Here is one of them: > > > > >2 Tim 4:3-5 > > > > > >For the time will come when [Christians] will not endure sound doctrine; > > > > >but after their own lusts shall heap to themselves teachers [and > > > > >preachers]. Those [preachers] will teach them not what the truth is but > > > > >instead what they want to hear > > > > > >My comment: That prophecy has come true in my life time. There is one > > > > >church in California called Unity Fellowship. The preachers are more like > > > > >psychologists than real preachers. There is a television show that is > > > > >broadcast on Sunday morning called the "Hour of Power". The > preacher never > > > > >discusses Bible doctrines. He teaches messages related to psychology and > > > > >sociology. I have never heard him preach messages from the Bible. > > > > >Jason > > > > > Jason, Christians have been claiming that they were in the last days > > > > ever since Christianity began. Your ignorance of history betrays you and > > > > gives you the foolish idea that only recently have these 'signs' been > > > > fulfilled. Once again I have to wonder if you are really a Christian. > > > > My father (in the 1950's) believed that he was living in the last days. > > > According to the Bible, the deciples of Jesus hoped Jesus would return > > > during their life times. I have never claimed to be a Bible scholar. I > > > learn new things every time I listen to another sermon.- Hide quoted text - > > > Jason, > > Don't lie. > > All sermons are the same, you don't learn any thing new. > > And in human studies, we have physics, Chemistry, maths, biology, > > medicine, etc etc The topics are many, the advance is progressive, the > > research is daily, and small discovery(or big one) on each area is > > expected. > > This is the new things that we human are doing whereas you and your > > IDers are just trying fruitlessly to look for a non-existing creator/ > > god/supernatural being. > > > This is the difference between you and real human. > > What you and your > > > > - Show quoted > > Believe it or not, there are Christians that have Ph.D degrees that know > as much about those subjects as you do. Some of them are science > professors at Christian colleges Ha. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 On Jun 16, 2:13 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I once talked to a > biology professor that was an advocate of creation science. He knew as > much about evolution as any of the other biology professors that worked at > that college. Obviously not. Martin Quote
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