Guest Jason Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 In article <1182652833.759427.117350@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 24, 9:50 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <149r73h2ir1qso5isju4u6a29mthvs3...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:27:13 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > <Jason-2306071427140...@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >In article <111r73drpnujfmtbbtq6h7mger4on49...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:08:19 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > >> <Jason-2306071108190...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >> >In article <f5j9aa$nq...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > > >> ><prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> Jason wrote: > > > >> >> > In article > > > > <1182559237.898964.32...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> On Jun 23, 2:54 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> >> >>> In article <dgtn73hm11dl8eval8ne1s1155rl2td...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > >> >> >>> <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> >>>> What scientific facts can they teach about Intelligent Design? > > > >> >> >>> They have a textbook. The teachers would use the text book and > > > >curriculum > > > >> >> >>> guide to teach those classes. > > > >> >> >> You didn't answer the question, Jason. > > > > > >> >> >> Martin > > > > > >> >> > Martin, > > > >> >> > I don't have a copy of the textbook or curriculum guide so don't > > > >know what > > > >> >> > sort of facts are in that textbook and curriculum guide. > > > > > >> >> Again, you didn't answer the question, Jason. It was "what scientific > > > >> >> facts can they teach about ID?" and NOT "what scientific facts are > > > >> >> contained in a specific book?" > > > > > >> >> If ID is scientific, then there should be some specific scientific > > facts > > > >> >> that can be taught about it. What are some of them? > > > > > >> >Regardless, I don't know what scientific facts ID has. > > > > > >> No one does. There are none. > > > > > >> >Try visiting their website. > > > > > >> It won't help. > > > > > >> >You never did answer my question. You mentioned all of the research that > > > >> >has been done on that cluster of cells. What sort of creature evolved from > > > >> >that cluster of cells? > > > > > >> You've demonstrated that you don't care. If you did, you would learn > > > >> something about biology. > > > > > >You failed to answer the question. I suspect the reason is because no > > > >creature evolved from that cluster of cells. > > > > > Your suspicion arises from your carefully cultivated ignorance. > > > > > As usual, you are wrong. > > > > Please tell me more about the creature that evolved from that cluster of > > cells. Did it have a heart? Did it have eyes? Where can I see a picture of > > this creature that evolved from a cluster of cells? > > How about a jellyfish? It has no heart, no eyes, not even a brain and > yet it is a multicelled animal. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jellyfish > > Martin Martin, I visited the site. I found this interesting information. It appears that jellyfish have a nervous system; digestive system and epidermis. Can scientists conduct an experiment and videotape a mass of cells evolving into a jellyfish? To compensate for a lack of basic sensory organs and a brain, the jellyfish exploits its nervous system and rhopalia to perceive stimuli, such as light or odor, and orchestrate expedient responses. In its adult form, it is composed of 94 Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:40:33 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306071840330001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <dm8r73hcntv283cq3gp5d026l5b2avash4@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:10:05 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306071410050001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <5p1r73lbicnj7uoldqqpqck12stoum4o1l@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:30:11 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-2306071130120001@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <f5j616$k7k$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> >> ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> > In article <854p7394n19d3tvg0c59i1a2co7f1asm3v@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:11:19 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >>> "The name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with >worship of >> >> >> >>> the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. "Allah" can not be found in >> >the Hebrew >> >> >> >>> Old Testament or the Greek New Testament. Allah is NOT the same >> >as the God >> >> >> >>> of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.... Allah is unknowable. He is >so exalted >> >> >> >>> that no man can personally know Allah." >> >> >> >> How can you quote someone who is so stupid that he complains that an >> >> >> >> Arabic word isn't found in Greek or Hebrew writing. He really is not >> >> >> >> worth your time, but your willingness to quote him makes it >even clearer >> >> >> >> that you have no intellectual standards and no interest in learning >> >> >> >> about your religion. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > He did not state that an Arabic word isn't found in Greek or Hebrew >> >> >> > writing. He clearly stated that "Allah" can not be found in the >> >Hebrew Old >> >> >> > Testament or the Greek New Testament. If you believe the actual name >> >> >> > "Allah" is in the Bible, provide the verse. >> >> >> >> >> >> SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH >> >> >> >> >> >> That was the point flying at shuttle speeds and altitude over your head. >> >> >> >> >> >> You won't find ANY Arabic words in Greek or Hebrew writing. You won't >> >> >> find something like "Deutschland" buried in a strictly English writing >> >> >> but you WILL find "Germany" in that same writing. Does that mean that >> >> >> "Germany" and "Deutschland" are two different countries or that one >> >> >> exists and the other does not? Unless your answer to both is "no" then >> >> >> you are a total idiot. >> >> >> >> >> >> Likewise, "Yahweh/Jehovah" (Hebrew), "Allah" (Arabic), "Deus" (Latin), >> >> >> "God" (English), "Theos" (Greek), "Gott" (Germany), "Dio" (Italian), >> >> >> etc. all refer to the same god but simply in different languages >but you >> >> >> won't find "Dio" or "Gott" in English writings or "God" in Hebrew or >> >> >> Greek writings. >> >> > >> >> >Yes, I understand all of that. One point that keeps flying over your head >> >> >is that some experts believe that the name Allah came from an Arabic word >> >> >that had to do with the worship of the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. I >> >> >googled "moon god" and found lots of sites. I posted an article that I >> >> >obtained from one of those sites. Of course, some of the sites indicated >> >> >that other experts agree with your understanding of this subject. I >> >> >suggest that you google "moon god" if you do not believe me. >> >> >Jason >> >> >> >> You aren't making a valid point. The source of the word doesn't matter >> >> at all. Do you care that Yahweh/Jehovah did not originally refer to a >> >> single universal god? Does Jehovah not exist because of that? >> > >> >I made the point because several people tried to convince me that Yahweh >> >and Allah were the same God. That is NOT true. >> >> You are arguing with Mohammed here. >> >> >The above post provides >> >evidence which indicates that the name Allah came from an Arabic word that >> >had to do with the worship of the moon-God in pre-Islamic Arabia. >> >> It does not matter what the name came from. It does not matter that >> there were various gods that were combined together to create the God of >> Abraham. It matters what the doctrine of the religion is. In Christians >> terms, you are arguing that Jesus was _not_ the Son of God because >> Hebrew doctrine is pure monotheism and Jesus and the Holy Ghost cannot >> fit into that. >> >> >If various people choose to continue to believe that Allah and Yahweh are >> >the same God--that is their choice. >> >> That is because Bahai, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all say that >> it's the same god. You seem singularly unwilling to even acknowledge >> that Arabic-speaking Christians call God "Allah". That is another >> example of why no one should show any respect for your opinion. It is >> based on your ignorant biases and you refuse to ever admit your >> mistakes. > >I provided the evidence. If you decide to reject the evidence in the above >report, that is your choice. I just hope that the Arabic Christians that >call Yahweh by the name of Allah realize that they are talking to the God >mentioned in their Bibles and not the False God that is mentioned in the >Quran. > Your response had nothing to do with the teachings of these religions. You are insulting Arabic Christians by your lies about their use of the word. Stop worshipping your own ignorance. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 In article <1182653986.052621.55680@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 24, 10:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182640589.368717.129...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 24, 2:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <qoidnf2gSvcJs-DbnZ2dnUVZ_vumn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > My question is not related to the Pandas and People book. I > > > > > > believe that if Hillary elected and Democrats are in control > > > > > > of both houses of Congress--it will cause the slow decline and > > > > > > fall of America. A national healthcare program will cost > > > > > > billions of dollars--each year..... > > > > > > > Then why is it that most of the "first world" countries have a > > > > > national health care and they are not collapsing but thriving? > > > > > > > > You mentioned the decline of the value of a dollar--it will > > > > > > keep going down. Visit a Walmart--most of those products were > > > > > > NOT made in America--they are made in China. Many factories > > > > > > have closed down. > > > > > > > Thanks to the Republicans, and to some extent Democrats, and > > > > > their trade policies that have moved too many jobs overseas. The > > > > > "free trade acts" are only free for the rich. It can be changed > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > The decline and fall of America started about 10 years ago > > > > > > > Actually, it stated much earlier - with Reagan. > > > > > > > > and will fall like a lead balloon if Hillary Clinton is > > > > > > elected and Democates control both houses of Congress. > > > > > > > Don't forget, that fall started with Reagan and accelerated > > > > > exponentially under the current president. > > > > > > > And about immigration... don't forget that the Europeans here ARE > > > > > immigrants. The christian "settlers" used a form well known to > > > > > them - genocide - to clear out the original inhabitants of this > > > > > continent. > > > > > > You would have to live in southern California or the south part of Florida > > > > to truly understand the problem. > > > > > You would have to be a racist bigot to actually see a problem. > > > > > So much for your claim that you didn't hate anybody. Not that anybody > > > believed you. > > > > I support legal immigration. Do you support illegal immigration? > > It is your government's laws that determine what is legal and what is > not legal. The fact is that there is still no program in place for > Mexicans to legally come to the US to find temporary work and then > return to Mexico. > > Martin I agree---they should have a guest worker program. It may be difficult to locate them when the growing season was over. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:43:03 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306071843030001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9fu1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:19:11 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306071419120001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <6f0r73hop0g4kn4353ateauped1qqo3d8m@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:39:37 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-2306071139380001@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish >> >> ><jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah to >> >be the >> >> >> > only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. >> >> >> (snip) >> >> >> >> >> >> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? >> >> > >> >> >My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I took a >> >> >course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions >> >> >appealed to me. >> >> > >> >> Apparently you learned nothing in that class, either. You aren't the one >> >> who gets to decide that Allah is a false god unless you are willing to >> >> agree that Jehovah, a name that refers to the same god, is also a false >> >> god. Is Jehovah a false god? If not, then Allah is not, either. >> >> >> >> If A equals B then you don't get to say that A is true but B is false. >> > >> >I am allowed to have my own opinions and you are allowed to have your own >> >opinions. >> >> Your opinion is based on erroneous claims. Why would you hold such an >> opinion? >> >> >No, I am not the one who gets to decide that Allah is false. >> >However, I am allowed to have that opinion if I choose to have it. I have >> >provided evidence in another post which indicates that Yahweh and Allah >> >are not the same God--if you choose to reject that evidence--that is your >> >choice. It's my opinion that Jehovah is the true God and that Allah is a >> >false God. Upon request, I will repost the information that indicates that >> >the name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with the worship of >> >the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. >> >> Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a false >> god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > >If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > "God" is not an Arabic word. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:50:55 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306071850560001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <149r73h2ir1qso5isju4u6a29mthvs3msh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: .... >> Your suspicion arises from your carefully cultivated ignorance. >> >> As usual, you are wrong. > >Please tell me more about the creature that evolved from that cluster of >cells. Did it have a heart? Did it have eyes? Where can I see a picture of >this creature that evolved from a cluster of cells? There are living examples of many differing levels of complexity of multicellular life on earth. Learn about them. God did not tell you to remain ignorant. Nothing in the Bible excuses your disdain for knowledge. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:55:08 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306071855080001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <d59r73p6pd4c6i2r3p5o6i8nqigleo2pk7@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:23:38 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306071323380001@66-52-22-17.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <dluq73l0ie6fkskinqjid3debdr7rjmgt5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:06:45 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-2206072206450001@66-52-22-1.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <1182572553.938822.32570@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> ><phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Jun 23, 10:53 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> > In article ><1182564394.114180.179...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> >> > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > On Jun 23, 9:07 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> > > > In article >> ><1182559318.400394.79...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > On Jun 23, 2:55 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > In article <sbtn73187me30fr561n1btfpo0u3sho...@4ax.com>, >> >Free Lunch >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > So it doesn't bother you that the authors of _Of Pandas and >> >> >> > People_ are >> >> >> > > > > > > liars? It doesn't bother you that they don't care at >all about >> >> >> > the First >> >> >> > > > > > > Amendment? It doesn't bother you that they lied to a >judge in a >> >> >> > federal >> >> >> > > > > > > trial? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > Tell me again why you claim to be a Christian. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > There is a law. There goal was to comply with the law. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > No, their goal was to get around the law, but they didn't fool >> >> >> > > > > anybody. As you said yourself, even children would know that >> >> >> > > > > "intelligent design" is religion in disguise. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > You failed to tell me your opinion about the Roman Empire >site that I >> >> >> > > > referred you to. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I have no opinion about the site because I didn't look at it. >When I >> >> >> > > was in high school, I read the book "The Rise and Fall of the Roman >> >> >> > > Empire" as part of my grade 11 history course so I am probably more >> >> >> > > familiar with the history of the Roman Empire than you. Do >you want to >> >> >> > > actually test me on the subject? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Only one question: >> >> >> > Do you think that America will decline and fall for many of the same >> >> >> > reasons the Roman Empire declined and fell? >> >> >> >> >> >> As I recall, the fall of the Roman Empire was for economic reasons: >> >> >> the Roman Empire had expanded to the point where it had an enormous >> >> >> border that had to be regularly patrolled in order to keep out >> >> >> barbarian invaders. The budget was spread so thin that they couldn't >> >> >> afford armour for their soldiers and thus their soldiers weren't much >> >> >> use against their enemies. Moral was also low in the military: the >> >> >> Empire had over expanded and the once mighty military had now become a >> >> >> defensive force. >> >> >> >> >> >> With the army patrolling the border states, the Emperor had to worry >> >> >> about unrest at home. Rather than face an uprising from the >> >> >> unemployed masses of the empire, the Empire introduced welfare to >> >> >> appease the masses: whereas before the mighty empire was bringing in >> >> >> money from taxation, it was now giving out money. It became a welfare >> >> >> state. This further drained the empire's coffers and restricted the >> >> >> amount of money that could be spent on the military. >> >> >> >> >> >> America IS in a state of decline, as can be measured by the declining >> >> >> dollar: this is a direct measure of the perceived value of the >> >> >> American economy. The decline can easily be associated with the war >> >> >> in Iraq, now in its fifth year. Just as the Roman Empire had >> >> >> overexpanded, the United States now has forces in Afganistan and Iraq, >> >> >> in addition to its NATO commitment and its bases in South Korea. The >> >> >> United States has, like the Roman Empire, overexpanded and the economy >> >> >> is suffering as a result. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who fail to learn the lessons that history teaches, are doomed >> >> >> to repeat them" - George Santayana >> >> >> >> >> >> I have a question for you: what does the fall of the Roman Empire have >> >> >> to do with the book _Pandas and People_? >> >> >> >> >> >> Martin >> >> > >> >> >Martin, >> >> >Thanks for your post. My question is not related to the Pandas and People >> >> >book. I believe that if Hillary elected and Democrats are in control of >> >> >both houses of Congress--it will cause the slow decline and fall of >> >> >America. >> >> >> >> That beats the fast decline and fall that we have been suffering under >> >> Bush and the Republicans who ran Congress recently. They're fake >> >> conservatives. >> >> >> >> >A national healthcare program will cost billions of dollars--each >> >> >year. All of the huge companies and state agencies that provide health >> >> >care will no longer have to pay for health care for their employees. The >> >> >Fed'l government will provide free heath care for everyone. Social >> >> >Security and Medicare are already costing billions of dollars each year. >> >> >> >> Total health care costs will go down because our current system is >> >> extremely inefficient. Right now, the governments in the United States >> >> spend roughly as much as governments in other developed countries for >> >> health care, yet those countries cover everyone and we, alone, do not. >> >> Roughly 15% of Americans have no coverage. >> >> >> >> >The rich people already know how to avoid paying high taxes by keeping >> >> >their money in banks in South America. You mentioned the decline of the >> >> >value of a dollar--it will keep going down. Visit a Walmart--most of those >> >> >products were NOT made in America--they are made in China. Many factories >> >> >have closed down. The decline and fall of America started about 10 years >> >> >ago and will fall like a lead balloon if Hillary Clinton is elected and >> >> >Democates control both houses of Congress. >> >> >> >> The US was running a federal surplus before Bush took over and cut taxes >> >> for the rich and started wars that he refused to pay for. >> >> >> >> >In addition, we are being invaded by a foreign country (Mexico). >> >> >> >> No, we aren't being invaded. >> >> >> >> >Didn't the Roman Empire also have problems with illegal immigrants. >> >> >> >> Immigrants are not a problem. >> >> >> >> >Have you heard about the Social Security >> >> >Disability Program. It was designed to take care of people that were so >> >> >disabled that they were not able to work. The program has now been >> >> >expanded to take care of anyone that does not want to work. Alcoholics, >> >> >Addicts, and people that suffer from depression can now get social >> >> >security disability checks. >> >> >> >> So you think it's okay to pick on people with mental health problems >> >> because you cannot see their disease? >> > >> >I have no problem with people with severe mental health problems getting >> >social security disability payments. However, people that are too lazy to >> >work know how to download the symptoms of depression. Various lawyers are >> >able to get those sorts of people disability checks and the lawyers are >> >paid for their services by the federal government. If you choose to >> >believe that all of the people that receive disability checks truly are >> >disabled and are not able to work--that is your choice. >> > >> For someone who refuses to learn anything about science, you're awefully >> smug in being able to tell us who is lying. >> >> Once again, you show us that you have learned nothing from Jesus, you >> show no Christian charity at all. > >There is a scripture that says--If you don't work, you should not eat. > >I don't mind providing charity to people that need it. I don't like >providing charity to people that are too lazy to work for a living. > But you _know_ who is too lazy and who is seriously ill? You can tell that without actually giving them a medical review? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:02:44 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306071902450001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <_tudnRBzC7YMN-DbnZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." ><spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >>> You would have to live in southern California or the south >> >>> part of Florida to truly understand the problem. >> >> >> >> Which is simply not true. >> >> >> >> >> >>> There is one Hispanic Organization that has a goal of >> >>> making California a part of Mexico. >> >> >> >> That gets a big SO WHAT! No one cares what one small bunch >> >> of kooks wants. Bringing up such things has no place in an >> >> intelligent conversation. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Once three quarters of the California population are >> >>> Mexicans--it could happen. >> >> >> >> No, it could not. >> > >> > It has already happened once in the history of America--the >> > civil war. >> >> Do you live in the same world as the rest of us? Do you really >> believe our "civil" war had anything to do with Mexico or immigrants? > >I was referring to state government representatives voting to secede from >the union. Any state could do it for any reason. That is what started the >civil war. I thought the civil war started when rebels shot on federal troops because they wanted to keep slavery. >> >>> I support LEGAL immigration but do not support ILLEGAL >> >>> immigration. >> >> >> >> That's right. Let only white people immigrate. Keep the >> >> brown ones out. The yellow ones are alright only because >> >> they usually have lots of money. >> > >> > As far as it is legal immigration--I am not concerned with the >> > races. >> >> As long as they are white. I understand. I know christians care >> about all that stuff. Secular Humanists like me don't worry about >> skin color, or borders, we worry about people. Those people want >> to come here to improves their lives. You tell then to go home >> just because they were born on the other side of some line drawn >> in the dirt. >> >> >> Do you fully understand why these people are coming here >> >> from Mexico and Central America? Your idea that they want to >> >> turn California into Mexico shows that you do not. >> > >> > Yes--billions of people would love to live in America for >> > those same reasons..... >> >> Apparently you do not understand why these people want to come >> here. I'll give you a clue; it's not to get on welfare. > >Regardless of their reasons, billions of people from various countries >would enjoy living in America. Don't worry. Bush is making this country less appealing every day. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:00:10 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306072000100001@66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-jIHnCsR7sdQY@M>, dd@dandrake.com wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:52:37 UTC, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-iQnMvZtdsMwD@M>, dd@dandrake.com wrote: >> > >> > > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:23:02 UTC, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Probably not. Even if we won in one court, the advocates of evolution >> > > > would do some judge shopping and find a liberal judge that would rule in >> > > > their favor. >> > > >> > > Sure, right, just like the Dover case, which I mentioned on another >> > > sub-thread. >> > > >> > > THEY'RE ALL CONSPIRING AGAINST US. EVEN THE CONSERVATIVES ARE LIBERAL!!!1! >> > >> > Many judges are part of the establishment. >> >> All judges are, by definition, if you like, part of the establishment. So, >> as Free Lunch has pointed out, is Christianity. It would be sheer idiocy >> to think that either of these, or any other large chunk of the >> establishment, is united in its views of the world and its willingness to >> conspire to suppress the T R U T H . > >Christianity was once part of the establishment but in many cities, it is >no longer part of the establishment. That is especially true in large >cities in most states. The ACLU knows the names of the most liberal judges >in America. When they want to win a case, they make sure the judge that >hears the case is one of those liberal judges. They know they will win >before they even go to court. They use the term, "the fix is in." >Jason You are just an neverending fountain of foolishness. You are a complete conspiracy nut as well as a reality denier. You also have absolutely no idea how the court system works. You are truly your own worst enemy. It was very unwise of you to worship your own thoughts. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-4QUFPXH2renI@M>, dd@dandrake.com wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:58:09 UTC, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > Speaking of the popular Galileo Gambit: Why is it that all these modern > > > Galileos are pushing to restore the orthodoxy of 30-50 years ago (global > > > warming doesn't exist) or 150 years ago (there's no such thing as > > > evolution) or for that matter 400 years ago (the actual Galileo asked for > > > it) ? > > > > > > We can at least agree with Jason that these modern times are sadly > > > degenerate! When can we get some Galileos (and, of course Darwins) who are > > > upsetting orthodoxy rather than trying to restore old discredited ones? > > > > Related to one of your points. Some experts agree that we have global > > warming but believe it is a natural cycle. They also believe if every > > person and company stopped making use of fossil fuels--that the global > > warming would still be a problem until the natural cycle changes to a > > cooling cycle. > > So they do. This is a Galilean-level upsetting of doctrine? No, it's back > to what a number of scientists believed 30 years ago. It goes back even further than that. Anyone that has done any research related to geologic time knows there were time periods in the history of the earth that were warm and periods of time when it was cold (ice age). Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 In article <xo6dnbb2y9_1fODbnZ2dnUVZ_ryknZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > > I was referring to state government representatives voting to > > secede from the union. Any state could do it for any reason. > > That is what started the civil war. > > Think about it for a second....... why would they want to vote to > take California out of the Union and join Mexico? Why? It makes > absolutely no sense at all. Just think. I don't know their reasons--perhaps they want ownership of millions of homes, businesses and factories. > > > Regardless of their reasons, billions of people from various > > countries would enjoy living in America. > > Why? Also consider that billions do not want to live here. Do you > think all those "illegals" really want to leave their families, > their homes, their culture, and come to a strange place? > Why they want to come here, to someone > that cares, is a giant consideration and is also a giant clue as > to how to fix the problem. But no..... the bigots just want to > talk big and pick on defenseless people. They bill walls instead > of actually trying to fix the problem. Do you have any idea what > the real problem is? As I stated, I am in favor of legal immigration. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:30:41 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306072030410001@66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182653986.052621.55680@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 24, 10:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182640589.368717.129...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin .... >> > > So much for your claim that you didn't hate anybody. Not that anybody >> > > believed you. >> > >> > I support legal immigration. Do you support illegal immigration? >> >> It is your government's laws that determine what is legal and what is >> not legal. The fact is that there is still no program in place for >> Mexicans to legally come to the US to find temporary work and then >> return to Mexico. >> >> Martin > >I agree---they should have a guest worker program. It may be difficult to >locate them when the growing season was over. > You're sounding very much like a racist here. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 In article <sfqr739qvgv6fpjho432l4ull41t9oikh5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:30:41 -0700, in alt.atheism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2306072030410001@66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <1182653986.052621.55680@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 24, 10:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <1182640589.368717.129...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > ... > > >> > > So much for your claim that you didn't hate anybody. Not that anybody > >> > > believed you. > >> > > >> > I support legal immigration. Do you support illegal immigration? > >> > >> It is your government's laws that determine what is legal and what is > >> not legal. The fact is that there is still no program in place for > >> Mexicans to legally come to the US to find temporary work and then > >> return to Mexico. > >> > >> Martin > > > >I agree---they should have a guest worker program. It may be difficult to > >locate them when the growing season was over. > > > You're sounding very much like a racist here. I am in favor of legal immigration. Are you in favor of illegal immigration? Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: >>> This is a quotation from his book ("Jerusalem Countdown") >>> >>> "The name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with worship of >>> the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. "Allah" can not be found in the Hebrew >>> Old Testament or the Greek New Testament. Allah is NOT the same as the God >>> of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.... Allah is unknowable. He is so exalted >>> that no man can personally know Allah." >> The name Eloah _does_ appear in Hebrew writings, Jason. >> >> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloah >> >> "The Hebrew form Eloah ( , which looks as though it might be a >> singular form of Elohim) is comparatively rare, occurring only in >> poetry and late prose (in the Book of Job, 41 times). What is probably >> the same divine name is found in Arabic (Ilah as singular "a god", as >> opposed to Allah meaning "The God" or "God") and in Aramaic (Elaha). >> This unusual singular form is used in six places for heathen deities >> (examples: 2 Chronicles 32:15; Daniel 11:37, 38;). The normal Elohim >> form is also used in the plural a few times, either for gods or images >> (Exodus 9:1, 12:12, 20:3; and so forth) or for one god (Exodus 32:1; >> Genesis 31:30, 32; and elsewhere). In the great majority of cases both >> are used as names of the one God of Israel." >> >> John Hagee lied to you. (Surprise!) > > Hello, > I googled "moon god" and found lots of sites. Some of the sites indicated > that the word "Allah" was not related to the moon God. However, other > sites indicated that Allah was related to the moon god: I obtained the > following from one of the sites: > > Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > > Islam: Truth or Myth? start page > > Introduction to basic facts of history: > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far > back as 2000 BC. > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was > placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may > in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret > at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > throughout the world: > > About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr > bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol > called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of > the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar > (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper > name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". > Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan > god as "al-ilah". > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began > promoting his new religion in 610 AD. > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name > "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the > Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is > derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism. > > Written by Brother Andrew > > This guy knows nothing of the derivations of the names of the god worshiped by the Jews. There is all sorts of evidence of syncretism, incorporating the name of local deities into the names of the dominant one. El, El-Shaddai, YHVH or YHWH etc etc all appear in Tanach. We don't even know how the latter name was pronounced. The Jehovah's Witnesses take one Anglicized pronunciation that is possible, but not necessarily the one. They then, for some reason they claim that it is the same as the Christian deity which they claim in turn is the name of G-d. It makes no sense to claim that your god is named properly, and then deny that another one is by applying the same standard and methods. Theological arrogance at its second worst. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah to be the >>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. >> (snip) >> >> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I took a > course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > appealed to me. > > Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <f5j6ba$k7k$4@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <1182564249.084179.188880@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>> <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 23, 9:27 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> In article <1182560736.318058.6...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>>>> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Why do you not consider THEIR book to be evidence supporting their >>>>>> beliefs. >>>>> Their book (the Quran) does support their beliefs. I am stating that I >>>>> believe Allah is a false God. >>>> I see. So religious scripture is not evidence, or at least not >>>> convincing evidence. Thank you. >>>> >>>> Martin >>> It is evidence in some cases. >> And how do you decide in which cases it is evidence and in which cases >> it's not? > > My religious scripture (and only the part of that I agree with) > is "evidence." All other religious scripture (as well as the parts of > the bible that I don't like) is NOT evidence. Got it this time? > > Thank you for your honesty. Now we understand your perfect ignorance of subjects that make you uncomfortable. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <1182607364.005660.200290@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 23 Jun., 04:53, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> In article <1182564394.114180.179...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> snip >> >>>> I have no opinion about the site because I didn't look at it. When I >>>> was in high school, I read the book "The Fall of the Roman Empire" as >>>> part of my grade 11 history course so I am probably more familiar with >>>> the history of the Roman Empire than you. Do you want to actually >>>> test me on the subject? >>>> Martin >>> Only one question: >>> Do you think that America will decline and fall for many of the same >>> reasons the Roman Empire declined and fell?- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselsteg= >> n - >>> - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> Well they were both plagued by Christianity. Did you have anything >> else in mind? > > The various other factors that caused the decline--immigration, economics, > welfare programs. > > That is hateful. This country was built on immigration. When did your ancestors come here - i.e. when were they immigrants? I'm the son and grandson of immigrants - my father immigrated during WWII to serve in the US Army. After his military service he went into business and did very well - paid lots of taxes, raised a family. My mother's father immigrated from Russia during the pogroms. He was a decorated veteran of WWI, and became a university professor of engineering. And their stories are typical of many. Complain about economics all you want, rail against welfare, gripe about the weather. But your ignorance of what made this country great is appalling. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <qoidnf2gSvcJs-DbnZ2dnUVZ_vumnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> My question is not related to the Pandas and People book. I >>> believe that if Hillary elected and Democrats are in control >>> of both houses of Congress--it will cause the slow decline and >>> fall of America. A national healthcare program will cost >>> billions of dollars--each year..... >> Then why is it that most of the "first world" countries have a >> national health care and they are not collapsing but thriving? >> >> >>> You mentioned the decline of the value of a dollar--it will >>> keep going down. Visit a Walmart--most of those products were >>> NOT made in America--they are made in China. Many factories >>> have closed down. >> Thanks to the Republicans, and to some extent Democrats, and >> their trade policies that have moved too many jobs overseas. The >> "free trade acts" are only free for the rich. It can be changed >> though. >> >>> The decline and fall of America started about 10 years ago >> Actually, it stated much earlier - with Reagan. >> >>> and will fall like a lead balloon if Hillary Clinton is >>> elected and Democates control both houses of Congress. >> Don't forget, that fall started with Reagan and accelerated >> exponentially under the current president. >> >> And about immigration... don't forget that the Europeans here ARE >> immigrants. The christian "settlers" used a form well known to >> them - genocide - to clear out the original inhabitants of this >> continent. > > You would have to live in southern California or the south part of Florida > to truly understand the problem. There is one Hispanic Organization that > has a goal of making California a part of Mexico. Once three quarters of > the California population are Mexicans--it could happen. I support LEGAL > immigration but do not support ILLEGAL immigration. > > The issue may be what should be legal immigration. We should perhaps legalize more of it, so that we can have nannies, housemaids, stoop laborers and people do do the jobs that the locals don't want to do. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <1182604811.301335.44900@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 22 Jun., 06:30, Martin <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> On Jun 22, 10:30 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> >>>> In article <1182476773.550612.218...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>>> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jun 22, 1:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> To not even believe there is a God is even worse than turning your >>>> back on God. >>>>> So atheists are worse than Satanists in your opinion? Is that right? >>>> That's a good one. >>> It wasn't a joke. >>> >>>> It's not right. Satan will never go to heaven. >>> I didn't say "Satan". I said "Satanists", ie people who worship >>> Satan. People who worship Satan also believe in God. >>> >>>> Atheists may eventually >>>> accept Jesus as their savior and end up in heaven. >>> And Christians may eventually get a clue and accept reality. >>> >>> Martin >> Many have. There is always hope. > > And atheists have become Christians. > > And Christians have become Jews, and Jews have become Christians, and Christians have become Muslims, and Christians have become atheists. Come to think of it, I know of more Christians who have become atheists than the reverse. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:57:00 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2306072057000001@66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <sfqr739qvgv6fpjho432l4ull41t9oikh5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:30:41 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306072030410001@66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <1182653986.052621.55680@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Jun 24, 10:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <1182640589.368717.129...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >Martin >> >> ... >> >> >> > > So much for your claim that you didn't hate anybody. Not that anybody >> >> > > believed you. >> >> > >> >> > I support legal immigration. Do you support illegal immigration? >> >> >> >> It is your government's laws that determine what is legal and what is >> >> not legal. The fact is that there is still no program in place for >> >> Mexicans to legally come to the US to find temporary work and then >> >> return to Mexico. >> >> >> >> Martin >> > >> >I agree---they should have a guest worker program. It may be difficult to >> >locate them when the growing season was over. >> > >> You're sounding very much like a racist here. > >I am in favor of legal immigration. Are you in favor of illegal immigration? > Of course not. Your comment about it being difficult to locate them struck me as subtle racism. It was gratuitous and out of context. Quote
Guest David V. Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Think about it for a second....... why would they want to >> vote to take California out of the Union and join Mexico? >> Why? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Just think. > > I don't know their reasons--perhaps they want ownership of > millions of homes, businesses and factories. Since you are condemning a whole class of people, you really should know more about them..... but then you wouldn't be able to look down upon them so you'll feel better about yourself. Apparently you were unable to actually think about why they come here. Why is that? >> Why? Also consider that billions do not want to live here. >> Do you think all those "illegals" really want to leave their >> families, their homes, their culture, and come to a strange >> place? Why they want to come here, to someone that cares, >> is a giant consideration and is also a giant clue as to how >> to fix the problem. But no..... the bigots just want to talk >> big and pick on defenseless people. They bill walls instead >> of actually trying to fix the problem. Do you have any idea >> what the real problem is? > > As I stated, I am in favor of legal immigration. And how is that relevant to the conversation? -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <q31r73l3ckujviktt5gpc59foabj68tpbr@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:12 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306071113120001@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>> In article <f5j9h2$nq7$2@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >>> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >> ... >> >>>>> Related to another post: >>>>> What sort of creature did the cluster of one celled life forms > evolve into? >>>> If it's a cluster, it's not a " ONE celled life form" (do you honestly >>>> read these things before you post them?) But to answer the question of >>>> "What sort of creature did the one celled life forms evolve into?", the >>>> answer is "all life that you see around you." >>> However, before it evolved into "all life that you see around you." it >>> must have evolved into some sort of creature--true or false? >> True. >> >>> If so, I would like to know if scientists have done any research >>> indicating that the mass of cells evolved into a creature? >> The mass of cells was a creature. >> >>> Of course, I doubt that a mass of cells evolved into any type of creature. >> Your doubts show your lack of knowledge, nothing else. >> >>> It may have evolved into a larger mass of cells or perhaps some of the >>> cells evolved into other types of cells. >> Why don't you get an education? >> >> The first unicellular organisms existed for a long time, dividing and >> dying, just as the unicellular organisms do today. Then, there were >> two-celled organisms, just as there are today. The organisms of billions >> of years ago are not the same as the ones that exist today, they have >> evolved. >> >> After the two celled, there were cell colonies, which also still exist >> today. Then some of the cell colonies developed into organisms that were >> still cell colonies but had differentiated cells. That is what all the >> plants and animals are today. > > Thanks for your answer. > > Jason shines us on again. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <dm8r73hcntv283cq3gp5d026l5b2avash4@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:10:05 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306071410050001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>> In article <5p1r73lbicnj7uoldqqpqck12stoum4o1l@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:30:11 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-2306071130120001@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>> In article <f5j616$k7k$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >>>>> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>> In article <854p7394n19d3tvg0c59i1a2co7f1asm3v@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>>>>>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:11:19 -0700, in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>>>>>>> "The name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with > worship of >>>>>>>>> the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. "Allah" can not be found in >>> the Hebrew >>>>>>>>> Old Testament or the Greek New Testament. Allah is NOT the same >>> as the God >>>>>>>>> of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.... Allah is unknowable. He is > so exalted >>>>>>>>> that no man can personally know Allah." >>>>>>>> How can you quote someone who is so stupid that he complains that an >>>>>>>> Arabic word isn't found in Greek or Hebrew writing. He really is not >>>>>>>> worth your time, but your willingness to quote him makes it > even clearer >>>>>>>> that you have no intellectual standards and no interest in learning >>>>>>>> about your religion. >>>>>>> He did not state that an Arabic word isn't found in Greek or Hebrew >>>>>>> writing. He clearly stated that "Allah" can not be found in the >>> Hebrew Old >>>>>>> Testament or the Greek New Testament. If you believe the actual name >>>>>>> "Allah" is in the Bible, provide the verse. >>>>>> SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH >>>>>> >>>>>> That was the point flying at shuttle speeds and altitude over your head. >>>>>> >>>>>> You won't find ANY Arabic words in Greek or Hebrew writing. You won't >>>>>> find something like "Deutschland" buried in a strictly English writing >>>>>> but you WILL find "Germany" in that same writing. Does that mean that >>>>>> "Germany" and "Deutschland" are two different countries or that one >>>>>> exists and the other does not? Unless your answer to both is "no" then >>>>>> you are a total idiot. >>>>>> >>>>>> Likewise, "Yahweh/Jehovah" (Hebrew), "Allah" (Arabic), "Deus" (Latin), >>>>>> "God" (English), "Theos" (Greek), "Gott" (Germany), "Dio" (Italian), >>>>>> etc. all refer to the same god but simply in different languages > but you >>>>>> won't find "Dio" or "Gott" in English writings or "God" in Hebrew or >>>>>> Greek writings. >>>>> Yes, I understand all of that. One point that keeps flying over your head >>>>> is that some experts believe that the name Allah came from an Arabic word >>>>> that had to do with the worship of the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. I >>>>> googled "moon god" and found lots of sites. I posted an article that I >>>>> obtained from one of those sites. Of course, some of the sites indicated >>>>> that other experts agree with your understanding of this subject. I >>>>> suggest that you google "moon god" if you do not believe me. >>>>> Jason >>>> You aren't making a valid point. The source of the word doesn't matter >>>> at all. Do you care that Yahweh/Jehovah did not originally refer to a >>>> single universal god? Does Jehovah not exist because of that? >>> I made the point because several people tried to convince me that Yahweh >>> and Allah were the same God. That is NOT true. >> You are arguing with Mohammed here. >> >>> The above post provides >>> evidence which indicates that the name Allah came from an Arabic word that >>> had to do with the worship of the moon-God in pre-Islamic Arabia. >> It does not matter what the name came from. It does not matter that >> there were various gods that were combined together to create the God of >> Abraham. It matters what the doctrine of the religion is. In Christians >> terms, you are arguing that Jesus was _not_ the Son of God because >> Hebrew doctrine is pure monotheism and Jesus and the Holy Ghost cannot >> fit into that. >> >>> If various people choose to continue to believe that Allah and Yahweh are >>> the same God--that is their choice. >> That is because Bahai, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all say that >> it's the same god. You seem singularly unwilling to even acknowledge >> that Arabic-speaking Christians call God "Allah". That is another >> example of why no one should show any respect for your opinion. It is >> based on your ignorant biases and you refuse to ever admit your >> mistakes. > > I provided the evidence. If you decide to reject the evidence in the above > report, that is your choice. I just hope that the Arabic Christians that > call Yahweh by the name of Allah realize that they are talking to the God > mentioned in their Bibles and not the False God that is mentioned in the > Quran. > > Allah and Adonoi are both montheistic gods. The one you worship is pagan in nature because it is split into parts. Not only that it allegedly fathered a human, also a pagan action. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9fu1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:19:11 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2306071419120001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>> In article <6f0r73hop0g4kn4353ateauped1qqo3d8m@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >>> <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:39:37 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >>>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >>>> <Jason-2306071139380001@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish >>>>> <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah to >>> be the >>>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. >>>>>> (snip) >>>>>> >>>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? >>>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I took a >>>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions >>>>> appealed to me. >>>>> >>>> Apparently you learned nothing in that class, either. You aren't the one >>>> who gets to decide that Allah is a false god unless you are willing to >>>> agree that Jehovah, a name that refers to the same god, is also a false >>>> god. Is Jehovah a false god? If not, then Allah is not, either. >>>> >>>> If A equals B then you don't get to say that A is true but B is false. >>> I am allowed to have my own opinions and you are allowed to have your own >>> opinions. >> Your opinion is based on erroneous claims. Why would you hold such an >> opinion? >> >>> No, I am not the one who gets to decide that Allah is false. >>> However, I am allowed to have that opinion if I choose to have it. I have >>> provided evidence in another post which indicates that Yahweh and Allah >>> are not the same God--if you choose to reject that evidence--that is your >>> choice. It's my opinion that Jehovah is the true God and that Allah is a >>> false God. Upon request, I will repost the information that indicates that >>> the name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with the worship of >>> the moon God in pre-Islamic Arabia. >> Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a false >> god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > They might, but it might not be the one of that particular Bible. Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-jIHnCsR7sdQY@M>, dd@dandrake.com wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:52:37 UTC, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>> In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-iQnMvZtdsMwD@M>, dd@dandrake.com wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:23:02 UTC, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Probably not. Even if we won in one court, the advocates of evolution >>>>> would do some judge shopping and find a liberal judge that would rule in >>>>> their favor. >>>> Sure, right, just like the Dover case, which I mentioned on another >>>> sub-thread. >>>> >>>> THEY'RE ALL CONSPIRING AGAINST US. EVEN THE CONSERVATIVES ARE LIBERAL!!!1! >>> Many judges are part of the establishment. >> All judges are, by definition, if you like, part of the establishment. So, >> as Free Lunch has pointed out, is Christianity. It would be sheer idiocy >> to think that either of these, or any other large chunk of the >> establishment, is united in its views of the world and its willingness to >> conspire to suppress the T R U T H . > > Christianity was once part of the establishment but in many cities, it is > no longer part of the establishment. That is especially true in large > cities in most states. The ACLU knows the names of the most liberal judges > in America. When they want to win a case, they make sure the judge that > hears the case is one of those liberal judges. They know they will win > before they even go to court. They use the term, "the fix is in." > Jason > > And where did you learn this from? One of your preachers who couldn't get his Christian prayers in the local public schools? Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 On 23 Jun., 19:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <f5j34p$hi...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > snip > > I.e. (as you like to say) answer the question: What makes your god a > > true god and Allah a false god? What criteria do you use (other than > > "that's the way I want it to be")? > > I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah to be the > only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. Some experts believe that > the name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with the worship of > the moon god in pre-Islamic Arabia. I googled "moon god" and found lots of > sites related to this subject. The Quran is the holy book of the Muslims. > Of course, that holy book supports their beliefs in that false God named > Allah.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
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