Guest cactus Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <G1Ffi.15732$2v1.1567@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >>> <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> kmurphy004@houston.rr.com wrote: >>>>> Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between >>>>> two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third >>>>> option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. >>>> Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. >>>> Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. >>> Evolution is a theory >>> >>> >> So is number theory, so is music theory, and so is Relativity Theory. >> >> A theory is the best explanation of some phenomenon, at least until a >> better one comes along. >> >> For your convenience, here is a definition from Webster's Online Dictionary: >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Main Entry: the Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping > > > a false > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- > > > Skjul = > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God > and that > > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion in your > > > > eyes? > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on Saturday. Most > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the day that > Jesus rose from the dead. Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No wonder you only barely passed Math 101. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 1:50 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182748912.441486.322...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 1:02 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <8ggu73dtnsvkodpcgh2piufuv5hh73e...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:10:00 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > <Jason-2406072010000...@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >In article <7Y-dncX-Q9ZSueLbnZ2dnUVZ_r6vn...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > > > ><jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > > > > >> > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life > unless it was > > > > >> > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > > > > >> Sorry, but, based on what you have already written, I don't > > > > >> believe you. > > > > > >> If scientists, someday, put chemicals into an experiment and > > > > >> a demonstrably living, reproducing things resulted, I am > > > > >> predicting that you would say that now they have to > > > > >> replicate the origin of some living thing you are familiar > > > > >> with, like a goldfish, or a man, before you could believe > > > > >> that those things have a natural, non miraculous, origin. > > > > > >> I hope that someday, soon I get to test this prediction. > > > > > >No--I would believe it-- if I could see living cells under a microscope. > > > > > >The experiment would have to be "repeatable" by any scientist including > > > > >science professors that are employed by the ICR college. > > > > > ICR does not have any scientists, so they would have to hire some. Then > > > > independent observers would have to make sure that the new scientists > > > > weren't suborned. After all, the ICR has a good gig telling people lies > > > > about science. They have you suckered really well. > > > > > You still haven't told us how much money they have defrauded you of by > > > > their lies. If you are confused, all of their money is collected by > > > > fraud, all of it. Whatever you gave them came to them because they lied > > > > to you. > > > > That figure would be $0.00. They do have science professors > > > No scientist believes in creationism. Having a Ph.D. does not make > > one a scientist. > > I know that having a Ph.D does not make one a scientist. This is a > description related to a book that is advertised in the ICR newsletter: > > "On the Seventh Day" > editor: J.F. Ashton > A collection of essays by 40 doctorate-holding scientists who have a firm > belief in God Being a "scientist" and having a "firm belief in God" is a clear contradiction in terms. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 1:52 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182748430.220459.112...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182735702.411891.128...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 9:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was > > > > > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > Correction: you would never believe that life could evolve from non- > > > > life even though it has been proved to you that it could happen in a > > > > scientific experiment. You've admitted that no amount of evidence > > > > would change your mind so don't lie about that now (yet again). > > > > I am not qualified to judge experiments. > > > Then stop pretending you are. > > > > For example, if the scientists > > > added DNA from a frog to the experiment, I doubt that would qualify. I > > > would trust the judgements of the science professors that are employed by > > > ICR's college. If they were able to repeat the experiment, I would believe > > > that life could evolve from non-life. Also, if I read an article about the > > > experiment in a magazine such as National Geographic > > > You do realize that there are legitamate scientific journals out there > > besides National Geographic, don't you? > > That is true. National Geographic is much easier for me to buy than a > scientific journal. And read, no doubt. Don't forget that the Journal of Molecular Evolution is available on line. You have no excuse for not reading it if you are really this interested. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 1:57 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182748984.440289.108...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 1:09 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <zJKdnaSxytuApOLbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdn...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > In article <7Y-dncX-Q9ZSueLbnZ2dnUVZ_r6vn...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > > > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > > > > >>> I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life > unless it was > > > > >>> proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > > > >> Sorry, but, based on what you have already written, I don't > > > > >> believe you. > > > > > >> If scientists, someday, put chemicals into an experiment and > > > > >> a demonstrably living, reproducing things resulted, I am > > > > >> predicting that you would say that now they have to > > > > >> replicate the origin of some living thing you are familiar > > > > >> with, like a goldfish, or a man, before you could believe > > > > >> that those things have a natural, non miraculous, origin. > > > > > >> I hope that someday, soon I get to test this prediction. > > > > > > No--I would believe it-- if I could see living cells under a microscope. > > > > > Nobody says they would be cells. Cells are the result of > > > > the last time natural causes brought forth life, on this > > > > planet. And those cells have been very efficient, ever > > > > since, at consuming energy rich molecules for their > > > > metabolism, making it very unlikely that other, completely > > > > novel forms of life will ever get a chance to form here. > > > > But in the lab, protected from the appetites of existing > > > > living forms, nobody knows what other possibilities might > > > > unfold. Cells have proved to be a very versatile and > > > > functional vehicle for life, but we don't know if other > > > > structures, based on other chemistry can live. But this > > > > while area or abiogenesis research is very interesting to me. > > > > > If we find novel forms of living chemistry on other planets, > > > > it will help to give us a better idea what the possibilities > > > > for living systems might include. Right now, we have > > > > essentially a single family tree to observe, and though some > > > > of our cousins are pretty weird, all have a distinct family > > > > resemblance at the biochemical level. > > > > > > The experiment would have to be "repeatable" by any scientist including > > > > > science professors that are employed by the ICR college. > > > > > It would be some of the first science they have ever done. > > > > I would trust people who have been doing biochemical science > > > > for a long time, a lot more. What research results have ICR > > > > professors ever produced? They appear to be strictly a > > > > propaganda machine, defending creation dogma. Have they > > > > done any experiments that miraculously create life? > > > > As I told another poster, I would believe the results of such an > > > experiment if I read about it in National Geographic. > > > Try the Journal of Molecular Evolution first. > > >http://www.springerlink.com/content/kr9u076717757161/ > You already know that such journals are not of interest to me mainly > because I do not have a degree in biology or a related field. Then stop pretending that you would bother to go read the papers in question. You won't find a sufficiently thorough analysis in National Geographic and you will always have room to worm your way out of believing the truth, as always. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 2:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182747944.169313.258...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 11:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > I googled > > > "miracle healings" and read about dozens of other cases that provided > > > evidence. > > > Testimony is not evidence, Jason, especially when the people involved > > are known liars. > > funny--they are not known liars. They are to us. The fact that you are unaware of the fact that they are liars doesn't mean we don't know that they are and thus that they are known liars, as I said. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 2:14 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182748750.948199.94...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 12:51 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. > > > > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of > > > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a > > > > dictionary. > > > > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... > > > > > And you still don't get it. > > > > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? > > > > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of > > > National Geographic: > > > > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... > > >http://users.ameritech.net/dennisreynolds1/GravitationalTheory.html > > > If gravity is only a theory then how come we aren't floating off to > > space? > Gravity and evolution are theories. You already know the answer to your > question. You mean that gravity, like evolution, is real? You're right: I did know that. The problem is that you didn't. Do you get it now? Gravity and evolution are both real but we also have gravitational theory and evolutional theory to describe how they work. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 2:16 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182747192.236018.205...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 10:53 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182735087.582175.135...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 9:16 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > kmurphy...@houston.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between > > > > > > > two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third > > > > > > > option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. > > > > > > > Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. > > > > > > Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. > > > > > > Evolution is a theory > > > > > Evolution is a fact and natuaral selection is the theory that explains > > > > how it works. You've had this explained to you before, Jason. > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. I looked up the word Evolution in my > > > Webster's Dictionary and it stated that evolution was a theory. > > > the=B7o=B7ry > > Function: noun > > 1 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, > > or an art <the theory and practice of medicine> > > 2 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body > > of principles offered to explain natural phenomena <a theory of > > organic evolution> -see ATOMIC THEORY, CELL THEORY, GERM THEORY > > 3 : a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on > > experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is > > accepted as a basis for experimentation > > > Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, =A9 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. > > > Yes, Webster's says Natural Selection is a theory. > > > id=B7i=B7ot > > Function: noun > > : one affected with idiocy; especially : a mentally retarded person > > having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete > > custodial care > > > Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, =A9 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. > > > Webster's also says you're an idiot. Don't blame me: take it up with > > Webster's. > Post what it states about EVOLUTION Okay. I'll look up "natural selection" too while I'm at it. evo Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 2:17 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182747255.256358.183...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 10:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182735594.401238.200...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 9:18 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > "Intelligent design" has no place in a biology class, Jason, because > > > > "Intelligent design" is reliogion and not science. You admitted that > > > > yourself when you said that even a child would know that the > > > > "designer" was supposed to be God (or Allah as the case may be). > > > > That is true--even children could figure it out. Martin, it will probably > > > never happen. The advocates of evolution will not let it happen. They will > > > take states to court that want to teach ID. They do not want evolution to > > > have to compete with ID. They are afraid that children will realize that > > > ID makes more sense than Evolution. > > > Religion only makes sense to diseased brains like your own, Jason. > > Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby > Poll Shows Which proves what, exactly? Religion is a disease, Jason, and education is the cure. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > including freedom from religion. > > > - Bob T. > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > over the world--one country at a time. Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? Two. If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by facts, Jason. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 2:56 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <N46dna7a8aZm_OLbnZ2dnUVZ_u7in...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > over the world--one country at a time. They are presently committing > > > genocide on the people that live in Darfur. After they take over control > > > of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take over > > > surrounding countries. One expert believes they will eventually take over > > > Spain without firing a shot. Mullahs are encouraging young followers to > > > move to Spain. After 55% of the population of Spain are Muslims, they will > > > vote only for Muslims. Those politicians will vote to establish the same > > > sorts of laws they now have in Moslem countries. > > > Yes, I think that might well be their plan. And the result > > will be just as evil as if Christians did the same thing. > > You would have much less to fear from Christians than Muslims. Again, Jason, I'm surprised you can post such things with a straight face. http://straitway.org/2001/03012001.htm Church History "Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out!" This saying, actually used in some circles today and historically in military situations, got its beginning during the terrible persecution that Christians suffered in 13th Century Europe. The freedoms we enjoy could not be imagined in that world over seven hundred years ago. It is important for us today, to know the hard-hearted mindset of those who opposed the Truth fueled by the evil machinations of a Machiavellian-style papacy in Rome. The policy set by Rome at that time is still in force doctrinally. This is known as "Nulla salus extra ecclesium" ("Outside the Church there is no salvation.") It was "open season" on those who taught any doctrine other than that which the Pope allowed and this made such people enemies of the Catholic Church. In 1210 AD, Pope Innocent III unleashed "orders of fire and sword" against a group of heretics throughout Europe, mostly remembered as Cathars. Of special note, at the great city of Beziers, France there was a terrible massacre of heretics. Though the actual count will never be known, it is thought that perhaps 100,000 people were ultimately slaughtered. The papal forces besieged Beziers and all inside were commanded to surrender and repent. The heretics inside, also known as Waldensians or Albigensians, were believers in a widespread form of gnosticism which threatened the greedy and materialistic goals of the Papacy. According to a Catholic source, "Caesarius of Heisterbach: Medieval Heresies," after the city was taken, at a cost in life of thousands of defenders, about 450 heretics were "examined" by the inquisitors and many of them claimed to be Christians rather than being heretics and would not repent. Others claimed to be good Catholics and did not want to die. Fearing the possibility that these were lying, must have caused the infamous phrase to first be uttered. In Latin, "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset" or "Kill them all. God will know His own." This was a misunderstood reference to 2 Tim. 2:19 which in part reads, "The Lord knoweth them that are his" (KJV). About fifty were hanged, the rest were burned to death. At this time, most Catholics felt that life on earth was simply a brief interlude to prepare for the hereafter. If one led a godly life, God would know of it, and the reward would be eternal paradise. So, this statement made perfect sense according to the concepts of Catholic righteousness. If every single soul in Beziers were killed, the good would go to Heaven and the evil would go to Hell, and so the papal killers were doing God's work. The New Testament says, John 5:22, "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son," (NKJ) And, obviously, man is not to murder (Luke 18:20; James 2:11). Were there New Testament Christians in Beziers? The Cathars were truly heretics, but we also can see from the testimonies the Catholic examiners themselves left behind, there could have been a good many true Christians among them. At this time in history and for centuries before this there were many regions of Europe that had been benign homes for the faithful. Though always a serious persecutor of the faithful, the Catholic Church truly became the main exterminator of Christians when it became militarily powerful beginning in the 12th Century. Shouldn't we be thankful we are so blessed to live in the times we do! "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors..." (Rom. 8:37; read verses 35-39). - Marc Smith Martin Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > >>> Jason wrote: > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > >>>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah to be the > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > >>>>> (snip) > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I took a > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > >>>> appealed to me. > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > >already believes. > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that he > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 02:40, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:00:44 -0500, Don Kresch<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > - Refer: <685t73hjisbvetblapmujbrq9p9j6tc...@4ax.com> > > >In alt.atheism On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:00:10 -0700, J...@nospam.com > >(Jason) let us all know that: > > >>Christianity was once part of the establishment but in many cities, it is > >>no longer part of the establishment. That is especially true in large > >>cities in most states. The ACLU knows the names of the most liberal judges > >>in America. When they want to win a case, they make sure the judge that > >>hears the case is one of those liberal judges. They know they will win > >>before they even go to court. They use the term, "the fix is in." > > > Yeah, and there was a gunman on the grassy knoll, the planes > >were remotely flown into the WTC, and we never landed on the moon. > > And a male born via parthenogenesis walked on H2O! > > -- Is that a new cable station? Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > In article > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > to teach ID > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > So what's your problem? > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US give up religious freedom? Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 03:25, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > > > b...@nonespam.com wrote: > > Martin Phipps wrote: > > > On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > >> Jason wrote: > > >>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > >>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > >>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah > to be the > > >>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > >>>> (snip) > > >>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > >>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I took a > > >>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > > >>> appealed to me. > > >> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > > The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > > already believes. > > > He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > > he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > > to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > I usually don't respond to posts that includes derogatory language. You don't respond to any posts, not in any relevant manner. > > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment.- Who cares? You do not know anything about science and therefore your opinion on such matters is worthless. Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > snip > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a false > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- Skjul = > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > > surprised. > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that > the moon god is a false God. Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no evidence in the Bible that it is true. > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > Mosque in the world? Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. snip Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 05:03, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <9aqdnXSNaY9puuLbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life > > > unless it was proved to me that it could happen in a > > > scientific experiment. > > > Yet you firmly believe in a god that has even less evidence and > > no proof. > > I have seen evidence that has convinced me No Jason, you have already explained that you believe something is evidence only if it confirms what you already believe is true. That was an amazing admission, but, of course, you have now returned to lying. snip Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 03:16, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > kmurphy...@houston.rr.com wrote: > > > > Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between > > > two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third > > > option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. > > > Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. > > Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. > > Evolution is a theory We can always depend on Jason to say something stupid. Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 05:10, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <7Y-dncX-Q9ZSueLbnZ2dnUVZ_r6vn...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > > > > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was > > > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > > Sorry, but, based on what you have already written, I don't > > believe you. > > > If scientists, someday, put chemicals into an experiment and > > a demonstrably living, reproducing things resulted, I am > > predicting that you would say that now they have to > > replicate the origin of some living thing you are familiar > > with, like a goldfish, or a man, before you could believe > > that those things have a natural, non miraculous, origin. > > > I hope that someday, soon I get to test this prediction. > > No--I would believe it-- if I could see living cells under a microscope. > > The experiment would have to be "repeatable" by any scientist including > science professors that are employed by the ICR college.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 06:30, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <8g6u731o90673ank4uvv85k002ga1b5...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > > > > > > <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > In alt.atheism On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:25:31 -0700, J...@nospam.com > > (Jason) let us all know that: > > > >I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was > > >proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > > So where did god come from? I know that you cop-out every time > > this is asked, but that just shows how hypocritical you are. > > > Don > > --- > > aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde > > Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. > > > "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" > > Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" > > The Bible does not indicate how God came to be.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. What makes your god the "true" one? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2406072131550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182738013.400195.243750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> <snip article> >> >> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> America was more like Iran. >> >> - Bob T. > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. Which sect? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in snip > You would have much less to fear from Christians than Muslims. Back in the > 1700's, the Christians in America did kill some witches Wrong. It was earlier than that and they didn't kill any witches - They falsely accused and executed some of their fellow christians. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >snip > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > >What makes your god the "true" one?s Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> >> >> >> >> >> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> > snip >> >> > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a false >> > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. >> >> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- Skjul = >> > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> >> > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the >> > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of >> > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god >> > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently >> > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not >> > surprised. >> >> No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even >> if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in >> Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will >> realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that >> the moon god is a false God. > >Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no >evidence in the Bible that it is true. <PIGGYBACKING> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon >> Mosque in the world? Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a Mormon mosque. <G> > >Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. > > >> >> Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >snip Quote
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