Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <5ea5kqF37urqdU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2406072131550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <1182738013.400195.243750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > >> > > >> <snip article> > >> > >> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > >> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > >> America was more like Iran. > >> > >> - Bob T. > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > Which sect? Protestant Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > snip > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > What makes your god the "true" one? Books have been written on that subject. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8uosg@4ax.com>, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > >snip > > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will also say so--of course. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182774522.884760.309730@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > snip > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a false > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- Skjul = > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > > > surprised. > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that > > the moon god is a false God. > > Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no > evidence in the Bible that it is true. > > > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > > Mosque in the world? > > Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. You failed to answer the question. If you read the report, you will know the reason there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim Mosque in the world is because the name Allah came from an Arabic word that had to do with the worship of the moon god in pre-Islamic Arabia. > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > snip Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > > >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> > >> > snip > >> > >> > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a false > >> > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > >> > >> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- Skjul = > >> > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > >> > >> > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > >> > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > >> > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > >> > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > >> > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > >> > surprised. > >> > >> No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > >> if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > >> Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > >> realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that > >> the moon god is a false God. > > > >Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no > >evidence in the Bible that it is true. > > <PIGGYBACKING> > > >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > >> Mosque in the world? > > Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a > Mormon mosque. <G> Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. > > > > > >Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. > > > > > >> > >> Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > >snip Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182770555.111873.24200@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > over the world--one country at a time. > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > Two. > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > facts, Jason. > > Martin Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from their countries--Bush would do it. The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" if you don't believe me. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182769454.887093.152390@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 1:50 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182748912.441486.322...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 1:02 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <8ggu73dtnsvkodpcgh2piufuv5hh73e...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:10:00 -0700, in alt.atheism > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > > <Jason-2406072010000...@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > > >In article <7Y-dncX-Q9ZSueLbnZ2dnUVZ_r6vn...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > > > > ><jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > > > > > > >> > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life > > unless it was > > > > > >> > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > > > > > > >> Sorry, but, based on what you have already written, I don't > > > > > >> believe you. > > > > > > > >> If scientists, someday, put chemicals into an experiment and > > > > > >> a demonstrably living, reproducing things resulted, I am > > > > > >> predicting that you would say that now they have to > > > > > >> replicate the origin of some living thing you are familiar > > > > > >> with, like a goldfish, or a man, before you could believe > > > > > >> that those things have a natural, non miraculous, origin. > > > > > > > >> I hope that someday, soon I get to test this prediction. > > > > > > > >No--I would believe it-- if I could see living cells under a microscope. > > > > > > > >The experiment would have to be "repeatable" by any scientist including > > > > > >science professors that are employed by the ICR college. > > > > > > > ICR does not have any scientists, so they would have to hire some. Then > > > > > independent observers would have to make sure that the new scientists > > > > > weren't suborned. After all, the ICR has a good gig telling people lies > > > > > about science. They have you suckered really well. > > > > > > > You still haven't told us how much money they have defrauded you of by > > > > > their lies. If you are confused, all of their money is collected by > > > > > fraud, all of it. Whatever you gave them came to them because they lied > > > > > to you. > > > > > > That figure would be $0.00. They do have science professors > > > > > No scientist believes in creationism. Having a Ph.D. does not make > > > one a scientist. > > > > I know that having a Ph.D does not make one a scientist. This is a > > description related to a book that is advertised in the ICR newsletter: > > > > "On the Seventh Day" > > editor: J.F. Ashton > > A collection of essays by 40 doctorate-holding scientists who have a firm > > belief in God > > Being a "scientist" and having a "firm belief in God" is a clear > contradiction in terms. > > Martin I disagree Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182772972.682583.273350@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > >>> Jason wrote: > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John Pope= > lish > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah t= > o be the > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > >>>>> (snip) > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I = > took a > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > > >>>> appealed to me. > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > > >already believes. > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that he > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rsel= > stegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejected that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not google the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating that Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that does not mean I am incorrect. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182769527.511965.3970@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 1:52 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182748430.220459.112...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182735702.411891.128...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was > > > > > > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > > > Correction: you would never believe that life could evolve from non- > > > > > life even though it has been proved to you that it could happen in a > > > > > scientific experiment. You've admitted that no amount of evidence > > > > > would change your mind so don't lie about that now (yet again). > > > > > > I am not qualified to judge experiments. > > > > > Then stop pretending you are. > > > > > > For example, if the scientists > > > > added DNA from a frog to the experiment, I doubt that would qualify. I > > > > would trust the judgements of the science professors that are employed by > > > > ICR's college. If they were able to repeat the experiment, I would believe > > > > that life could evolve from non-life. Also, if I read an article about the > > > > experiment in a magazine such as National Geographic > > > > > You do realize that there are legitamate scientific journals out there > > > besides National Geographic, don't you? > > > > That is true. National Geographic is much easier for me to buy than a > > scientific journal. > > And read, no doubt. > > Don't forget that the Journal of Molecular Evolution is available on > line. You have no excuse for not reading it if you are really this > interested. > > Martin Martin, Thanks--I made a note. If I see a story in the newspaper or National Geographic about the experiment--I will visit the site after reading the article in National Geographic. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182769286.811353.191610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping > > > > a false > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- > > > > Skjul = > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God > > and that > > > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion in your > > > > > eyes? > > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the > > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on Saturday. Most > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the day that > > Jesus rose from the dead. > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No > wonder you only barely passed Math 101. > > Martin I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The Bible Has the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2) follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently began it in commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, John 20: 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of His great work of redemption was demonstred on that day...." Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <gepu735pcn22ngbruvva0am1jer9g880kl@4ax.com>, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:51:30 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > ><spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > > >> > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. > >> > >> As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of > >> the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a > >> dictionary. > >> > >> > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... > >> > > >> And you still don't get it. > >> > >> Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? > > > >These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of > >National Geographic: > > > >EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... > > Yes? Were you going somewhere with this? > > 'Evolution' is the term used to describe an observed and documented > biological process. In short, a fact . 'Evolutionary theory ' is the > term applied to the sets of proposals that explain (or attempt to > explain) the mechanisms that drive the process. Theories are not and > never will be facts. Rather, they are explanations of facts. If > there were no observed, documented fact of evolution, there'd be no > need for theories explaining it. > > The fact of evolution is indisputable, the claims of creationist > propaganda mills like ICR and Discovery Institute not withstanding. > Some aspects of the explanation (i.e. the theory) may indeed be open > to question, but you are not qualified to do so. Not by a very, VERY > long shot. Evolution is a theory and is not a fact. As you stated in your post--theories are not and never will be facts. I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of National Geographic magazine: Evolution is a theory. page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution is a theory. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182770284.342110.232290@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 2:16 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182747192.236018.205...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 10:53 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182735087.582175.135...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, M= > artin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:16 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > kmurphy...@houston.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between > > > > > > > > two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third > > > > > > > > option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. > > > > > > > > > Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. > > > > > > > Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. > > > > > > > > Evolution is a theory > > > > > > > Evolution is a fact and natuaral selection is the theory that expla= > ins > > > > > how it works. You've had this explained to you before, Jason. > > > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. I looked up the word Evolution in = > my > > > > Webster's Dictionary and it stated that evolution was a theory. > > > > > the=3DB7o=3DB7ry > > > Function: noun > > > 1 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, > > > or an art <the theory and practice of medicine> > > > 2 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body > > > of principles offered to explain natural phenomena <a theory of > > > organic evolution> -see ATOMIC THEORY, CELL THEORY, GERM THEORY > > > 3 : a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on > > > experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is > > > accepted as a basis for experimentation > > > > > Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, =3DA9 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. > > > > > Yes, Webster's says Natural Selection is a theory. > > > > > id=3DB7i=3DB7ot > > > Function: noun > > > : one affected with idiocy; especially : a mentally retarded person > > > having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete > > > custodial care > > > > > Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, =3DA9 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. > > > > > Webster's also says you're an idiot. Don't blame me: take it up with > > > Webster's. > > > Post what it states about EVOLUTION > > Okay. I'll look up "natural selection" too while I'm at it. > > evo=B7lu=B7tion > noun > 1 : a process of change in a certain direction <there has been much > discussion as to ... the possible evolution of benign adenomas into > invasive carcinoma -Journal of the American Medical Association> > 2 a : the historical development of a biological group (as a race or > species) : PHYLOGENY b : a theory that the various types of animals > and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the > distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive > generations -evo=B7lu=B7tion=B7ari=B7ly /-sh&-"ner-&-lE/ adverb - > evo=B7lu=B7tion=B7ary /-sh&-"ner-E/ adjective > Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, =A9 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. > > natural selection > noun > : a natural process that results in the survival of individuals or > groups best adjusted to the conditions under which they live and that > is equally important for the perpetuation of desirable genetic > qualities and for the elimination of undesirable ones as these are > produced by recombination or mutation of genes > Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, =A9 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. > > You must be a gluton for punishment, Jason. > > Martin Martin, These words were taken from the above definition: EVOLUTION "...a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations...." Please note the word THEORY in the above definition. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182770400.015623.172570@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 2:17 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182747255.256358.183...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 10:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182735594.401238.200...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:18 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > > > "Intelligent design" has no place in a biology class, Jason, because > > > > > "Intelligent design" is reliogion and not science. You admitted that > > > > > yourself when you said that even a child would know that the > > > > > "designer" was supposed to be God (or Allah as the case may be). > > > > > > That is true--even children could figure it out. Martin, it will probably > > > > never happen. The advocates of evolution will not let it happen. They will > > > > take states to court that want to teach ID. They do not want evolution to > > > > have to compete with ID. They are afraid that children will realize that > > > > ID makes more sense than Evolution. > > > > > Religion only makes sense to diseased brains like your own, Jason. > > > > Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby > > Poll Shows > > Which proves what, exactly? Religion is a disease, Jason, and > education is the cure. > > Martin Martin, It proves that more people in Ohio agrees with me than agrees with you. Some posters appear to believe that only a small number of Christians agree with me related to this issue. That is not true. Jason Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > Two. > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > facts, Jason. > > > Martin > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > their countries--Bush would do it. <snicker> No, he wouldn't. > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > if you don't believe me. You have vastly over-simplified the situation in Darfur. Are you aware that one of the causes of problems in Darfur is Global Warming? It's true - you may want to google "darfur global warming" if you don't believe me. - Bob T. > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182773965.426707.320310@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > to teach ID > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US > give up religious freedom? I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. I believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be taught in the public schools. Instead, the evolutionists want to prevent the people in various states from teaching ID. They will even take states to court to prevent ID from being taught. Evolutionists are afraid that children would realize that ID makes more sense than evolution. Jason Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John Pope= > > lish > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah t= > > o be the > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I = > > took a > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > > > >already believes. > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that he > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rsel= > > stegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejected > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not google > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating that > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. How did Dr. Delaportas "verify" this? Did he see God perform the healing? How does he know that Vishnu or Odin or Athena didn't perform the healing instead. > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that does > not mean I am incorrect. You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because she is a Christian. - Bob T. > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 11:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > Evolution is a theory and is not a fact. As you stated in your > post--theories are not and never will be facts. Evolution is a fact confirmed by millions of separate observations. How evolution works is described by the "Theory of Evolution". Here's an analogy: humans have long observed that when you drop things, they fall down. They called that known fact "gravity". Isaac Newton took this observed fact, among others, and devised the "Theory of Gravity" to explain the observations. Do you understand the distinction between the observed facts of evolution and the "Theory of Evolution" that explains them? - Bob T. > > I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of > National Geographic magazine: > > Evolution is a theory. > > page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. > > I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution > is a theory.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <ddKfi.6775$Rw1.389@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <G1Ffi.15732$2v1.1567@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > >>> <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> kmurphy004@houston.rr.com wrote: > >>>>> Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between > >>>>> two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third > >>>>> option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. > >>>> Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. > >>>> Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. > >>> Evolution is a theory > >>> > >>> > >> So is number theory, so is music theory, and so is Relativity Theory. > >> > >> A theory is the best explanation of some phenomenon, at least until a > >> better one comes along. > >> > >> For your convenience, here is a definition from Webster's Online Dictionary: > >> ____________________________________________________________________ > >> Main Entry: the Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 12:17 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US > > give up religious freedom? > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. I > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be taught in > the public schools. Instead, the evolutionists want to prevent the people > in various states from teaching ID. They will even take states to court to > prevent ID from being taught. Evolutionists are afraid that children would > realize that ID makes more sense than evolution. No, we don't want ID taught in schools because it is a lie. - Bob T. > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182799354.342249.324460@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 11:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > Evolution is a theory and is not a fact. As you stated in your > > post--theories are not and never will be facts. > > Evolution is a fact confirmed by millions of separate observations. > How evolution works is described by the "Theory of Evolution". Here's > an analogy: humans have long observed that when you drop things, they > fall down. They called that known fact "gravity". Isaac Newton took > this observed fact, among others, and devised the "Theory of Gravity" > to explain the observations. > > Do you understand the distinction between the observed facts of > evolution and the "Theory of Evolution" that explains them? > > - Bob T. If what you stated is true--how come my Webster's dictionary states it is a theory. Why do editors of National Geographic (Nov/2004) refer to evolution as a theory (pg 8)? Neither of the these sources claim that "evolution is a fact" which is what you stated in the first sentence of your post. > > > > > I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of > > National Geographic magazine: > > > > Evolution is a theory. > > > > page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. > > > > I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution > > is a theory.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182799149.323449.320300@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John Pope= > > > lish > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah t= > > > o be the > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I = > > > took a > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that he > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rsel= > > > stegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejected > > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not google > > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that > > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating that > > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. > > How did Dr. Delaportas "verify" this? Did he see God perform the > healing? How does he know that Vishnu or Odin or Athena didn't > perform the healing instead. > > > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that does > > not mean I am incorrect. > > You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt > was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the > Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she > would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea > how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because > she is a Christian. > > - Bob T. > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they already believe. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182798953.920546.232660@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > > Two. > > > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > > facts, Jason. > > > > > Martin > > > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > > their countries--Bush would do it. > > <snicker> No, he wouldn't. > > > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > > Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > > Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > > surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > > if you don't believe me. > > You have vastly over-simplified the situation in Darfur. Are you > aware that one of the causes of problems in Darfur is Global Warming? > It's true - you may want to google "darfur global warming" if you > don't believe me. > > - Bob T. > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - Global warming is a problem in many countries. The major reason that thousands of people that once lived in Darfur are now dead is not because of global warming. It's because those people were MURDERED by Muslims from the middle east. Google "genocide in Darfur". jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them The political establishment has weighed in on it. The media has attempted to excoriate presidential candidates because of it. The academic community has tried to relegate it to the realm of unscientific mythology. The courts have ruled against it time and again. But the reality is that most Americans believe this simple yet profound statement: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. A recent USA Today/Gallup poll1 indicates that 66%-two thirds-of Americans believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years." In fact, twice as many stated this fact as "definitely true" compared to those who sided with evolution. (And almost twice the number of respondents declared evolution to be "definitely false"-28%-as those who said the same about creationism: 15%.) Of course, you wouldn't know of this grassroots support for creationism by looking at the textbooks used in science classes in public and private schools across America. Nor would it be obvious by listening to the majority of science teachers who instruct America's children. Evolution is a fact, they say. Science has proven it without doubt, they say. Creation is a religious myth, they declare. Even the courts side with the secular scientists who reject creation-and God-as fables unsuitable for serious scientific consideration or inclusion in their curricula. Dr. Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, states that her organization's mission is to "keep evolution in the science classroom and 'scientific creationism' out."2 NCSE routinely rails against scientists and organizations that question the legitimacy of Darwinians' explanation for the origins of the universe. Some would call this intolerant.or even unscientific. Consider the position statement of The National Science Teachers Association titled "The Freedom to Teach and the Freedom to Learn": As professionals, teachers must be free to examine controversial issues openly in the classroom. The right to examine controversial issues is based on the democratic commitment to open inquiry and on the importance of decision-making involving opposing points of view and the free examination of ideas. The teacher is professionally obligated to maintain a spirit of free inquiry, open-mindedness and impartiality in the classroom. Informed diversity is a hallmark of democracy to be protected, defended, and valued.3 For Dr. Scott, and no doubt most of the nearly 1,000 signatories to her "Statement of Concern"4 over the recent opening of the Creation Museum in Petersburg, KY, open inquiry cannot be tolerated when it comes to the teaching of origins. Yet true science can only take place when avenues of exploration are kept open, not slammed shut due to an arbitrary decision that certain theories must be "kept out" at all costs. In light of the recent poll results cited above, the majority of Americans believe some form of creationism. This would be a good time for the science education establishment to follow its own recommendations and actually take a crack at "opposing points of view and the free examination of ideas." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-06-07-evolution-poll-results_N. htm?csp=34 2 http://www.natcenscied.org/ 3 http://www.nsta.org/about/positions/freedom.aspx. See also the ICR News article "Science Teachers Violate NSTA Standards of Open Inquiry" by Patti Nason at http://www.icr.org/articles/view/3346//. 4 http://www.sciohost.org/states/ From: http://www.icr.org/articles/view/3379/ Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 25, 12:45 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182798953.920546.232...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious > nutcases > > > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > > > Two. > > > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > > > facts, Jason. > > > > > Martin > > > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > > > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > > > their countries--Bush would do it. > > > <snicker> No, he wouldn't. > > > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > > > Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > > > Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > > > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > > > surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > > > if you don't believe me. > > > You have vastly over-simplified the situation in Darfur. Are you > > aware that one of the causes of problems in Darfur is Global Warming? > > It's true - you may want to google "darfur global warming" if you > > don't believe me. > > > - Bob T. > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Global warming is a problem in many countries. The major reason that > thousands of people that once lived in Darfur are now dead is not because > of global warming. It's because those people were MURDERED by Muslims from > the middle east. Google "genocide in Darfur". I am aware of the genocide. Did you bother to look up the effects of Global Warming in Darfur as well? If not, please go do so before you opine on this topic again. - Bob T. > jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071239120001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182799149.323449.320300@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism >> > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in >> > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: >> > >> > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: >> > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: >> > > > >>> Jason wrote: >> > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, > John Pope= >> > > lish >> > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: >> > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder > Jehovah t= >> > > o be the >> > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. >> > > > >>>>> (snip) >> > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? >> > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in > college, I = >> > > took a >> > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world > religions >> > > > >>>> appealed to me. >> > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? >> > >> > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything >> > > > >> about. >> > >> > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in >> > > > >it. >> > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match >> > > > >what he >> > > > >already believes. >> > >> > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At >> > > > >least >> > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he >> > > > >never >> > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If >> > > > >everyone >> > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have >> > > > >anyone >> > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. >> > >> > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly >> > > > that he >> > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i > anf=F8rsel= >> > > stegn - >> > >> > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> > >> > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth >> > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements >> > > of >> > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I >> > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in >> > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. >> > >> > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence >> > indicating >> > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people >> > rejected >> > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not >> > google >> > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that >> > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating >> > that >> > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. >> >> How did Dr. Delaportas "verify" this? Did he see God perform the >> healing? How does he know that Vishnu or Odin or Athena didn't >> perform the healing instead. >> >> > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other >> > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they >> > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that >> > does >> > not mean I am incorrect. >> >> You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt >> was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the >> Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she >> would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea >> how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because >> she is a Christian. >> >> - Bob T. >> > Jason- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they > already believe. There is no evidence, you brainless idiot!!! I go away for four days and you don't get one bit smarter. Quote
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