Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 3:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > > > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > > > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that does > > > not mean I am incorrect. > > > You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt > > was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the > > Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she > > would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea > > how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because > > she is a Christian. > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they > already believe. And the point is that you never presented any evidence, only hearsay based on lies. You just proved a moment ago that your idol Henry Morris is a liar. All Christians who believe as you do are liars: there is no god, there never was a Jesus, there are no miracles and the world has come about due to natural processes that took place over billions of years. Anyone who tells you any differently is spreading falsehoods, ie lying. Martin Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 20:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > Two. > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > facts, Jason. > > > Martin > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > their countries--Bush would do it. > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > Sudan. In the real world Moslems have controlled the Sudan for centuries. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > Darfur. People supposedly supported by the government of the Sudan are doing that not Moslems as a group, and Darfur is part of the Sudan. >Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > surrounding African countries. Name one of these experts. The Sudan is barely able to take over the Sudan. Many of the surrounding countries have been Moslem for a thousand years. Your experts seem to have missed a lot. >You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > if you don't believe me. > Nobody believes you. I doubt that you believe you. Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 3:45 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182798953.920546.232...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious > nutcases > > > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > > > Two. > > > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > > > facts, Jason. > > > > > Martin > > > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > > > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > > > their countries--Bush would do it. > > > <snicker> No, he wouldn't. > > > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > > > Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > > > Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > > > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > > > surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > > > if you don't believe me. > > > You have vastly over-simplified the situation in Darfur. Are you > > aware that one of the causes of problems in Darfur is Global Warming? > > It's true - you may want to google "darfur global warming" if you > > don't believe me. > > Global warming is a problem in many countries. The major reason that > thousands of people that once lived in Darfur are now dead is not because > of global warming. It's because those people were MURDERED by Muslims from > the middle east. Google "genocide in Darfur". So the problem is religion in general because you are just as bad as them. You are patently evil, Jason. I fully expect you to snap one day and kill ten people like you said you could. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182812761.560570.271100@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 2:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John = > Pope=3D > > > lish > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehov= > ah t=3D > > > o be the > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college= > , I =3D > > > took a > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world relig= > ions > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything abo= > ut. > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what= > he > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At le= > ast > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyo= > ne > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that = > he > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=3D= > F8rsel=3D > > > stegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God > > God doesn't exist. > > >, people rejected > > that evidence. > > What evidence? You never presented any. > > ev=B7i=B7dence > -noun1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for > belief; proof. > 2=2E something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His > flushed look was visible evidence of his fever. > 3=2E Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in > issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, > documents, or objects. > -verb (used with object) 4. to make evident or clear; show clearly; > manifest: He evidenced his approval by promising his full support. > 5=2E to support by evidence: He evidenced his accusation with > incriminating letters. > -Idiom6. in evidence, plainly visible; conspicuous: The first signs of > spring are in evidence. > Random House Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2006. > > Martin Martin, Thanks for your post--I found this quotation in the report that I posted today: I should note that I DID NOT make the statement that is posted below. A scientist made the statement. What are your comments about what this scientist stated: One of these scientists is Dean Kenyon, who wrote a respected textbook on chemical evolution, but has since seen the light in intelligent design. DEAN KENYON: We have not the slightest chance of a chemical evolutionary origin for even the simplest of cells, so the concept of the intelligent design of life was immensely attractive to me and made a great deal of sense. Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 3:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them Down from 100% in the Dark Ages (which is why it was called the dark ages). Martin Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 20:22, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John Pope= > > lish > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah t= > > o be the > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college, I = > > took a > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > > > >already believes. > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that he > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rsel= > > stegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejected > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not google > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating that > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. What an idiotic claim. On what possible basis could he make such a determination? > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that does > not mean I am incorrect. You are right; it does not mean that. On the other hand you are incorrect and obviously so for the reasons explained to you thousands of times now. You have not once responded to any of those explanations in any relevant manner. You remain a dishonest moron. Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 6:51 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > ABC > Transcript > > This is a transcript from PM. The program is broadcast around Australia at > 5:10pm on Radio National and 6:10pm on ABC Local Radio. > > Brendan Nelson suggests 'intelligent design' could be taught in schools > PRINT FRIENDLY EMAIL STORY > PM - Friday, 26 August , 2005 18:34:00 > Reporter: Paula Kruger > MARK COLVIN: Evolutionary scientists after years fighting relatively > simple battles with creationists are increasingly facing a new adversary - > the theory of intelligent design. It's a far more sophisticated set of > arguments than the literal interpretation of the Bible. > > Intelligent design, or ID, suggests that some organisms are just too > complicated to have evolved by the random selection process that Charles > Darwin theorised nearly 150 years ago. And it implies that a "designer" or "creator" exists. That's a lie. Worse, it's religion and religion doesn't belong in ANY schools, let alone American schools that are constitutionally protected from it. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182812995.696172.47860@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 19:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > > > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > >snip > > > > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > > > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s > > > > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > > > > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will > > also say so--of course. > > How many have to believe something before it is true? I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before a hypotheses can become a theory? Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 6:56 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 1:40 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote > > > > >snip > > > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s > > > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > > > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will > > also say so--of course. > > There are almost as many muslims. So what? http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html Christianity: 2.1 billion Islam: 1.3 billion Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion Hinduism: 900 million Chinese traditional religion: 394 million Buddhism: 376 million Martin Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, > John Pope= > > > > lish > > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder > Jehovah t= > > > > o be the > > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in > college, I = > > > > took a > > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world > religions > > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he > > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least > > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone > > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that he > > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i > anf=F8rsel= > > > > stegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejected > > > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not google > > > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that > > > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating that > > > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. > > > How did Dr. Delaportas "verify" this? Did he see God perform the > > healing? How does he know that Vishnu or Odin or Athena didn't > > perform the healing instead. > > > > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > > > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > > > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that does > > > not mean I am incorrect. > > > You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt > > was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the > > Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she > > would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea > > how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because > > she is a Christian. > > > - Bob T. > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 7:05 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182811351.557959.227...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 25 Jun., 06:51, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. > > > > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of > > > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a > > > > dictionary. > > > > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... > > > > > And you still don't get it. > > > > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? > > > > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of > > > National Geographic: > > > > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... > > > Yes, the theories that explain the fact of evolution, just like the > > theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. You do understand > > that, don't you? Too bad you are too dishonest and cowardly to stop > > lying about it. > > I re-read the article related to evolution that was published in the > Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic. The author of the article made it > clear that evolution was a theory. > > He made this statement on page 8: > > "Evolution is both a beautiful concept and an important one, more crucial > nowadays to human welfare, to medical science, and to our understanding of > the world than ever before. It's also deeply persuasive--a theory you can > take to the bank...." > > Various members of this newsgroup appear to believe that evolution is a > fact but the author of the article that was printed in National Geographic > disagrees with you. Evolution is a persuasive theory (because it has solid evidence supposrting it). "Intelligent design" is complete fiction. Martin Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 21:45, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182798953.920546.232...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious > nutcases > > > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > > > Two. > > > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > > > facts, Jason. > > > > > Martin > > > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > > > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > > > their countries--Bush would do it. > > > <snicker> No, he wouldn't. > > > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > > > Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > > > Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > > > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > > > surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > > > if you don't believe me. > > > You have vastly over-simplified the situation in Darfur. Are you > > aware that one of the causes of problems in Darfur is Global Warming? > > It's true - you may want to google "darfur global warming" if you > > don't believe me. > > > - Bob T. > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Global warming is a problem in many countries. The major reason that > thousands of people that once lived in Darfur are now dead is not because > of global warming. It's because those people were MURDERED by Muslims from > the middle east. Google "genocide in Darfur". > jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 7:19 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182812761.560570.271...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John = > > Pope=3D > > > > lish > > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehov= > > ah t=3D > > > > o be the > > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college= > > , I =3D > > > > took a > > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world relig= > > ions > > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything abo= > > ut. > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what= > > he > > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At le= > > ast > > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyo= > > ne > > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that = > > he > > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=3D= > > F8rsel=3D > > > > stegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God > > > God doesn't exist. > > > >, people rejected > > > that evidence. > > > What evidence? You never presented any. > > > ev=B7i=B7dence > > -noun1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for > > belief; proof. > > 2=2E something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His > > flushed look was visible evidence of his fever. > > 3=2E Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in > > issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, > > documents, or objects. > > -verb (used with object) 4. to make evident or clear; show clearly; > > manifest: He evidenced his approval by promising his full support. > > 5=2E to support by evidence: He evidenced his accusation with > > incriminating letters. > > -Idiom6. in evidence, plainly visible; conspicuous: The first signs of > > spring are in evidence. > > Random House Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2006. > Thanks for your post--I found this quotation in the report that I posted today: > > I should note that I DID NOT make the statement that is posted below. A > scientist made the statement. Apparently not. To say that a scientist believes in something supernatural makes as much sense as a Christian not believing Christ ever existed. Martin > What are your comments about what this > scientist stated: > > One of these scientists is Dean Kenyon, who wrote a respected textbook on > chemical evolution, but has since seen the light in intelligent design. > > DEAN KENYON: We have not the slightest chance of a chemical evolutionary > origin for even the simplest of cells, so the concept of the intelligent > design of life was immensely attractive to me and made a great deal of > sense. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182812314.640548.224980@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 1:45 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182774522.884760.309...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping > > a false > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- > > Skjul = > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no > > > evidence in the Bible that it is true. > > > > > > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > > > > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > > > > Mosque in the world? > > > > > Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. > > > > You failed to answer the question. > > You failed to answer the question of why Christians consider Sunday > the Lord's day or why saints are depicted as having halos over their > head (where Helios was the Roman sun god). > > But then you always do fail to answer our questions. > > Martin I answered the question about the Sunday in another post. I copied the info. in Dr. Morris's book related to that subject. I don't know about the saints depicted as having halos over their head. Perhaps the artists that made the paintings were influenced by the cultures. Paul mentioned some problems related to people eating food that had been offered to idols. I heard a missionary from Haiti mention that Christian converts in Haiti that were mixing Christian worship with voodoo practices. I don't remember how that missionary dealt with that problem. Needless to say, it's not proper for Christians to be involved in voodoo practices. Moses had trouble with people building a cow to worship. God was not happy with those people. As you know, the worship of idols was common in Egypt which is why the Jews became involved in idol worship. Jason Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On 25 Jun., 21:48, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > > The political establishment has weighed in on it. The media has attempted > to excoriate presidential candidates because of it. The academic community > has tried to relegate it to the realm of unscientific mythology. The > courts have ruled against it time and again. But the reality is that most > Americans believe this simple yet profound statement: The fact is that no court in the US has ruled against people believing that god created them. Science has no way to determine the truth or untruth of the existence of a creator god, which means that such subjects cannot be part of science. You are babbling as usual. >snip Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Jun 26, 7:23 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182812995.696172.47...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 25 Jun., 19:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > > > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > > > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > >snip > > > > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > > > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s > > > > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > > > > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will > > > also say so--of course. > > > How many have to believe something before it is true? > > I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before > a hypotheses can become a theory? What constitutes evidence is very clear in science, Jason. For a hypothesis to be considered a theory, it has to be supported by reproducible experimental evidence. Experimental evidence can include anything that can be seen and measured, be it directly or indirectly through technology. Experimental evidence is considered valid when the results of the experiment agree with the resultant theory within the margin of error resulting from the physical limitations of the experiment. Yes, I did answer your question. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182812886.632371.303080@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182769286.811353.191...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, > > Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are > > worshipping > > > > > > a false > > > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the > > true God.- > > > > > > Skjul = > > > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to > > Christian Arabs of > > > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call > > their god > > > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. > > Apparently > > > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. > > I am not > > > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are > > valid. Even > > > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > > > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God > > > > and that > > > > > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion in your > > > > > > > eyes? > > > > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > > > > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to > > > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day > > > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the > > > > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > > > > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on Saturday. Most > > > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the day that > > > > Jesus rose from the dead. > > > > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the > > > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after > > > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No > > > wonder you only barely passed Math 101. > > > I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The Bible Has > > the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris > > > > "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2) > > follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently began it in > > commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, John 20: > > 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of His great > > work of redemption was demonstred on that day...." > > Thank you for proving that Henry Morris ia a liar whom you are willing > to believe ahead of your own Bible. > > Martin He mentioned scriptures from the Bible to support his statements. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:17:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in .... > >Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby >Poll Shows > >By: Staff >Discovery Institute >February 13, 2006 > > >By more than a 3-to-1 margin, Ohio residents strongly support public >school teachers presenting both the evidence for evolution, as well as the >evidence challenging the theory, according to a new poll by Zogby >International released today. > > Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:08:45 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071208460001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182770400.015623.172570@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 2:17 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182747255.256358.183...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 25, 10:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article ><1182735594.401238.200...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 25, 9:18 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article >> > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > > > > > > In article >> > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > > > > > > > to teach ID >> > >> > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... >> > >> > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> > >> > > > > > > So what's your problem? >> > >> > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of >course, >> > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> > >> > > > > "Intelligent design" has no place in a biology class, Jason, because >> > > > > "Intelligent design" is reliogion and not science. You admitted that >> > > > > yourself when you said that even a child would know that the >> > > > > "designer" was supposed to be God (or Allah as the case may be). >> > >> > > > That is true--even children could figure it out. Martin, it will >probably >> > > > never happen. The advocates of evolution will not let it happen. >They will >> > > > take states to court that want to teach ID. They do not want >evolution to >> > > > have to compete with ID. They are afraid that children will realize that >> > > > ID makes more sense than Evolution. >> > >> > > Religion only makes sense to diseased brains like your own, Jason. >> > >> > Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby >> > Poll Shows >> >> Which proves what, exactly? Religion is a disease, Jason, and >> education is the cure. >> >> Martin > >Martin, >It proves that more people in Ohio agrees with me than agrees with you. >Some posters appear to believe that only a small number of Christians >agree with me related to this issue. That is not true. >Jason > Who cares if they believe the lies that they have been taught by supposed Christians. The objective fact is that those are lies and heresies. You _mock_ God when you teach Creationism. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <1182812406.148531.4040@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 08:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "= > Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > over the world--one country at a time. > > It is also the goal of Christians. You said so. There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Muslims chop off thier heads. If people refuse to become Christians, we don't harm them in any way. Has any Christian ever harmed you or threatened you? > > > They are presently committing > > genocide on the people that live in Darfur. > > All the Moslems are doing that? Even the ones that are at war with > each other? Stop being such a fool. > > After they take over control > > of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take over > > surrounding countries. > > The Sudan is a Muslem country and has been for many centuries. The Muslims from Middle east are taking over the Sudan. They are either killing the Black Muslims or forcing them to leave the country. Google--Genocide in Darfur > One expert believes they will eventually take over > > Spain without firing a shot. Mullahs are encouraging young followers to > > move to Spain. After 55% of the population of Spain are Muslims, they will > > vote only for Muslims. Those politicians will vote to establish the same > > sorts of laws they now have in Moslem countries. > > jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > Golly! Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:14:07 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2406072314080001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182748750.948199.94300@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin ><phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 12:51 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." >> > >> > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > Jason wrote: >> > >> > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. >> > >> > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of >> > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a >> > > dictionary. >> > >> > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... >> > >> > > And you still don't get it. >> > >> > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? >> > >> > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of >> > National Geographic: >> > >> > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... >> >> http://users.ameritech.net/dennisreynolds1/GravitationalTheory.html >> >> If gravity is only a theory then how come we aren't floating off to >> space? >> >> Martin > >Gravity and evolution are theories. You already know the answer to your >question. > You also know that evolution is a cluster of facts as well. Evolution happens. The theory of evolution explains why evolution happens. Jason never explains why he lies. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 In article <AaCdneaH9oPf1x3bnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > The next time that I visit Barnes and Noble, I'll see if they have any copies. > > Please list the title of his best book and the name of the author. I > > forgot to write down that info. when I read the review. > > Jason > > The historian/cartoonist/author is Larry Gonick > > The book I was recommending to you is "The Cartoon History > of the Modern World, part 1, from Columbus to the U.S. > Constitution". > > Once you read that one, you will almost certainly want these: > > "The Cartoon History of the Universe, Volumes 1-7" > "The Cartoon History of the Universe, Volumes 8-13" > "The Cartoon History of the Universe, Volumes 14-19" > > He has also produced 7 or 8 other books. Just ask where the > Larry Gonick section is. John, Thanks--I made a note. Jason Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:58:00 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071158000001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <gepu735pcn22ngbruvva0am1jer9g880kl@4ax.com>, John Baker ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:51:30 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >> ><spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. >> >> >> >> As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of >> >> the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a >> >> dictionary. >> >> >> >> > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... >> >> > >> >> And you still don't get it. >> >> >> >> Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? >> > >> >These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of >> >National Geographic: >> > >> >EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... >> >> Yes? Were you going somewhere with this? >> >> 'Evolution' is the term used to describe an observed and documented >> biological process. In short, a fact . 'Evolutionary theory ' is the >> term applied to the sets of proposals that explain (or attempt to >> explain) the mechanisms that drive the process. Theories are not and >> never will be facts. Rather, they are explanations of facts. If >> there were no observed, documented fact of evolution, there'd be no >> need for theories explaining it. >> >> The fact of evolution is indisputable, the claims of creationist >> propaganda mills like ICR and Discovery Institute not withstanding. >> Some aspects of the explanation (i.e. the theory) may indeed be open >> to question, but you are not qualified to do so. Not by a very, VERY >> long shot. > >Evolution is a theory That is true. >and is not a fact. That is one of your oft repeated lies. The facts of evolution were what gave rise to the theory of evolution. >As you stated in your >post--theories are not and never will be facts. The facts of evolution remain true even though you lie about them. >I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of >National Geographic magazine: > >Evolution is a theory. > >page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. > >I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution >is a theory. > You have to be putting us on. No thinking person could be as clueless as you. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:15 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071223160001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <ddKfi.6775$Rw1.389@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <G1Ffi.15732$2v1.1567@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, >> > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>> In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >> >>> <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> kmurphy004@houston.rr.com wrote: >> >>>>> Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between >> >>>>> two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third >> >>>>> option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. >> >>>> Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. >> >>>> Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. >> >>> Evolution is a theory >> >>> >> >>> >> >> So is number theory, so is music theory, and so is Relativity Theory. >> >> >> >> A theory is the best explanation of some phenomenon, at least until a >> >> better one comes along. >> >> >> >> For your convenience, here is a definition from Webster's Online >Dictionary: >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> >> Main Entry: the Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:29:37 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2406072129370001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182735702.411891.128530@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 9:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > b...@nonespam.com wrote: >> > > Martin Phipps wrote: >> > > > On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: >> > > >> Jason wrote: >> > > >>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John >Popelish >> > > >>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> > > >>>> Jason wrote: >> > > >>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehovah >> > to be the >> > > >>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. >> > > >>>> (snip) >> > > >>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? >> > > >>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in >college, I took a >> > > >>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world religions >> > > >>> appealed to me. >> > > >> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? >> > >> > > > It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything about. >> > >> > > The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. >> > > Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what he >> > > already believes. >> > >> > > He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At least >> > > he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never >> > > responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone >> > > took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyone >> > > to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. >> > >> > I usually don't respond to posts that includes derogatory language. >> > >> > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was >> > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. >> >> Correction: you would never believe that life could evolve from non- >> life even though it has been proved to you that it could happen in a >> scientific experiment. You've admitted that no amount of evidence >> would change your mind so don't lie about that now (yet again). >> >> Martin > >I am not qualified to judge experiments. Yet, in your arrogance, you are willing to call scientists liars when you don't even understand what they said. You mock God with your doctrines. Quote
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