Guest John Popelish Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Jason wrote: > I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before > a hypotheses can become a theory? Not really, Once no one can think of another test to try that might falsify a hypothesis, it is a functional theory, regardless of the personal opinions about it held by individual scientists. Lots of times you have a hunch that something is not right about a theory, even though you haven't yet formulated a good way to prove that it is not right. And sometimes there is more than one theory that explain something,but no one has yet come up with a test that will falsify at least one of them and leave the other. So the theories continue to compete against each other, till one is shot down. Individual scientists may champion one or the other, but all agree that once a conclusive test falsifies any theory, it has to go, or be improved to eliminate the falsification. Theories are not adopted by a popularity contest or a democratic process. It is a rough business if you tend to get attached to your hypotheses. Quote
Guest The Chief Instigator Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: >In article <5ea5kqF37urqdU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2406072131550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <1182738013.400195.243750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> >> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> >> <snip article> >> >> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> >> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> >> America was more like Iran. >> > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> Which sect? >Protestant Idiot! All Protestant means is "Non-Catholic Christian". -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15) NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd09d@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:17:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > ... > > > >Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby > >Poll Shows > > > >By: Staff > >Discovery Institute > >February 13, 2006 > > > > > >By more than a 3-to-1 margin, Ohio residents strongly support public > >school teachers presenting both the evidence for evolution, as well as the > >evidence challenging the theory, according to a new poll by Zogby > >International released today. > > > > Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:01:26 -0000, in alt.talk.creationism Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in <1182769286.811353.191610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > In article <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> >> > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> > > > > > snip >> >> > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping >> > > a false >> > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. >> >> > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- >> > > Skjul = >> > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> >> > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the >> > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of >> > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god >> > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently >> > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not >> > > > > > surprised. >> >> > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even >> > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in >> > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will >> > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God >> and that >> > > > > the moon god is a false God. >> >> > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion in your >> > > > eyes? >> >> > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. >> >> > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to >> > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day >> > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the >> > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > >> Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on Saturday. Most >> Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the day that >> Jesus rose from the dead. > >Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the >day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after >THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No >wonder you only barely passed Math 101. There is a Gospel claim that Jesus said He would do it in three days, but the story-line that we find in the Gospels in the passion narrative is pretty clear that it took 39 hours from death to resurrection (3 pm on Friday to 6 am on Sunday). The writers of the Creed were cognizant of this possible problem and stated "on the third day" which is perfectly consistent with the narrative. I think Jason rejects the creeds, so that doesn't help him. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182813173.218982.308140@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) > > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US > > > give up religious freedom? > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. I > > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be taught in > > the public schools. > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > outright. Their loss. > > Martin The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a state school should quit. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182813096.342711.38340@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 19:45, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182774522.884760.309...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping > > a false > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- > > Skjul = > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no > > > evidence in the Bible that it is true. > > > > > > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > > > > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > > > > Mosque in the world? > > > > > Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. > > > > You failed to answer the question. If you read the report, you will know > > the reason there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim > > Mosque in the world is because the name Allah came from an Arabic word > > that had to do with the worship of the moon god in pre-Islamic Arabia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that mean that Christian Arabs are not really Christians? You > are not making any sense - needless to say. I did not state that Christian Arabs are not really Christians. Christian Arabs are really Christians even if they call God by the name of Allah. Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 7:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182812886.632371.303...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182769286.811353.191...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, > > > Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are > > > worshipping > > > > > > > a false > > > > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring > to God. > > > > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the > > > true God.- > > > > > > > Skjul = > > > > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the > equivalent to the > > > > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to > > > Christian Arabs of > > > > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call > > > their god > > > > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. > > > Apparently > > > > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. > > > I am not > > > > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are > > > valid. Even > > > > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, > they will > > > > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion > in your > > > > > > > > eyes? > > > > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > > > > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to > > > > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day > > > > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the > > > > > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > > > > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on > Saturday. Most > > > > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the > day that > > > > > Jesus rose from the dead. > > > > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the > > > > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after > > > > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No > > > > wonder you only barely passed Math 101. > > > > I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The Bible Has > > > the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris > > > > "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2) > > > follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently began it in > > > commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, John 20: > > > 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of His great > > > work of redemption was demonstred on that day...." > > > Thank you for proving that Henry Morris ia a liar whom you are willing > > to believe ahead of your own Bible. > > He mentioned scriptures from the Bible to support his statements. Which doesn't change the fact that the Bible disagrees with him. First look at Mark: Mark 8:31: "And He [Jesus] began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." Mark 9:31: "For He taught His disciples and said to them, `The Son of Man is being delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.' " So if Jesus was buried on "Good" Friday then there is no way he could have risen on Sunday. And it was supposedly Friday, the day before the Sabbath according to John and Luke: John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [for that Sabbath was a high day). Luke 23:56. The women ".. prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment " Some have argued that a "day" meant 12 hours but Matthew makes it clear that "three days" includes "three nights": Matthew 12:40, "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Why are so you ignorant of what your Bible says, the book which you claim to believe in? Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182814770.073699.229050@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 7:23 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182812995.696172.47...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 19:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > > > > > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > > > > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > > > >snip > > > > > > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > > > > > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s > > > > > > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > > > > > > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will > > > > also say so--of course. > > > > > How many have to believe something before it is true? > > > > I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before > > a hypotheses can become a theory? > > What constitutes evidence is very clear in science, Jason. For a > hypothesis to be considered a theory, it has to be supported by > reproducible experimental evidence. Experimental evidence can include > anything that can be seen and measured, be it directly or indirectly > through technology. Experimental evidence is considered valid when > the results of the experiment agree with the resultant theory within > the margin of error resulting from the physical limitations of the > experiment. > > Yes, I did answer your question. > > Martin Martin, thanks--I see to recall reading about the consensus but don't recall the source--it may have been related to the Big Bang. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182813471.492210.280850@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 20:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > > > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > > > Two. > > > > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > > > facts, Jason. > > > > > Martin > > > > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > > their countries--Bush would do it. > > > > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > > Sudan. > > In the real world Moslems have controlled the Sudan for centuries. > > > At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > > Darfur. > > People supposedly supported by the government of the Sudan are doing > that not Moslems as a group, and Darfur is part of the Sudan. > > >Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > > surrounding African countries. > > Name one of these experts. The Sudan is barely able to take over the > Sudan. Many of the surrounding countries have been Moslem for a > thousand years. Your experts seem to have missed a lot. > > >You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > > if you don't believe me. > > > > Nobody believes you. I doubt that you believe you. The muslims from the middle east want to have total contrl of the Sudan. Upon request, I'll post an article about it. Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 8:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) > > > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US > > > > give up religious freedom? > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. I > > > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be taught in > > > the public schools. > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > > outright. Their loss. > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > state school should quit. Leaving you with no qualified teachers and an ignorant population. Which explains everything. No teacher in good conscience knowingly "teaches" lies. Martin Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:02:05 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2406072202060001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <8ggu73dtnsvkodpcgh2piufuv5hh73eq5m@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:10:00 -0700, in alt.atheism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2406072010000001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <7Y-dncX-Q9ZSueLbnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish >> ><jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> > I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was >> >> > proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. >> >> >> >> Sorry, but, based on what you have already written, I don't >> >> believe you. >> >> >> >> If scientists, someday, put chemicals into an experiment and >> >> a demonstrably living, reproducing things resulted, I am >> >> predicting that you would say that now they have to >> >> replicate the origin of some living thing you are familiar >> >> with, like a goldfish, or a man, before you could believe >> >> that those things have a natural, non miraculous, origin. >> >> >> >> I hope that someday, soon I get to test this prediction. >> > >> >No--I would believe it-- if I could see living cells under a microscope. >> > >> >The experiment would have to be "repeatable" by any scientist including >> >science professors that are employed by the ICR college. >> > >> ICR does not have any scientists, so they would have to hire some. Then >> independent observers would have to make sure that the new scientists >> weren't suborned. After all, the ICR has a good gig telling people lies >> about science. They have you suckered really well. >> >> You still haven't told us how much money they have defrauded you of by >> their lies. If you are confused, all of their money is collected by >> fraud, all of it. Whatever you gave them came to them because they lied >> to you. > >That figure would be $0.00. They do have science professors that work at >the ICR college--they could repeat the experiments. I suspect that the >results of such an experiment would be discussed in magazines such as >National Geograhic. I would believe the information about the experiment >if I read about it in that magazine. > They have people they call science professors, but the ICR refuses to do science and they will fire anyone who writes an honest science article about evolution. You are a sucker for their lies. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:02:15 -0000, in alt.talk.creationism Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in <1182812535.647366.178560@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 26, 2:06 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <1182769454.887093.152...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >> > Being a "scientist" and having a "firm belief in God" is a clear >> > contradiction in terms. There are plenty of scientists who have a firm belief in God, but not in the 'throw away the evidence' sense that Jason and the ICR use it. >> I disagree > >You're hardly qualified to judge. That is true, Jason is committed to lies. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:39:12 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071239120001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182799149.323449.320300@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: .... >> You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt >> was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the >> Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she >> would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea >> how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because >> she is a Christian. > >My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they >already believe. > People have tried to explain to you again and again that you jumped to a false conclusion. Your point is wrong. It is based on your biases and lies. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071046360001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: .... >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon >> >> Mosque in the world? >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a >> Mormon mosque. <G> > >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 8:02 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:17:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > ... > > > >Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby > > >Poll Shows > > > >By: Staff > > >Discovery Institute > > >February 13, 2006 > > > >By more than a 3-to-1 margin, Ohio residents strongly support public > > >school teachers presenting both the evidence for evolution, as well as the > > >evidence challenging the theory, according to a new poll by Zogby > > >International released today. > > > > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182814064.453751.298060@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, > > John Pope=3D > > > > > lish > > > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder > > Jehovah t=3D > > > > > o be the > > > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in > > college, I =3D > > > > > took a > > > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world > > religions > > > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything= > about. > > > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course i= > n it. > > > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match = > what he > > > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. A= > t least > > > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he ne= > ver > > > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If eve= > ryone > > > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have = > anyone > > > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly t= > hat he > > > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i > > anf=3DF8rsel=3D > > > > > stegn - > > > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements= > of > > > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person= > I > > > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicat= > ing > > > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejec= > ted > > > > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not go= > ogle > > > > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that > > > > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating= > that > > > > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. > > > > > How did Dr. Delaportas "verify" this? Did he see God perform the > > > healing? How does he know that Vishnu or Odin or Athena didn't > > > perform the healing instead. > > > > > > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > > > > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > > > > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that= > does > > > > not mean I am incorrect. > > > > > You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt > > > was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the > > > Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she > > > would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea > > > how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because > > > she is a Christian. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they > > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > Since there was no evidence to reject, you have no point. There was > hearsay testimony. How could the doctor or the person cured possibly > know it was a miracle. This has been asked in various ways repeated, > and you are still ignoring it. I understand your question. The doctor knew that William Kent had been in a wheel chair for several years. The doctor had X-Rays and medical records related to the reason William Kent was disabled. That same doctor heard Willam Kent's testimony related to his healing. That doctor examined William Kent and determined that he was no longer disabled and could walk normally. The doctor believed the testimony of William Kent related to the healing. Can William Kent or the doctor provide PROOF that God healed William Kent that would satisfy athiests? The answer is NO. Can Willam Kent and his doctor provide testimonies and statements that will convince other Christians and myself that William Kent was healed? The answer is Yes. Atheists do not believe the testimony of William Kent because of their belief system. Many Christians will believe the testimony of William Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will understand my point. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:23:24 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071623240001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182812995.696172.47860@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 19:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker >> > >> > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: >> > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote >> > >> > > >snip >> > >> > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >> > >> > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s >> > >> > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> >> > >> > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will >> > also say so--of course. >> >> How many have to believe something before it is true? > >I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before >a hypotheses can become a theory? > You have that backward. When the evidence is sufficiently strong, the concensus will emerge. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071704090001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182813173.218982.308140@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article >> > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > > > > In article >> > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > > > > > to teach ID >> > >> > > > > But it is legal to do that... >> > >> > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> > >> > > > > So what's your problem? >> > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of >> > > > course, >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> > >> > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) >> > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US >> > > give up religious freedom? >> > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. >> > I >> > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be taught >> > in >> > the public schools. >> >> What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was >> flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit >> outright. Their loss. >> >> Martin > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > state school should quit. You side-stepped the issue Jason, do we let the public dictate what science is correct?? Take you Jason, you are what is known as a scientific illiterate. Do we let you and people like you, chose the science curriculum? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:19:17 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071619180001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182812761.560570.271100@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 2:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism >> > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in >> > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: >> > >> > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: >> > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: >> > > > >>> Jason wrote: >> > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John = >> Pope=3D >> > > lish >> > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: >> > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehov= >> ah t=3D >> > > o be the >> > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. >> > > > >>>>> (snip) >> > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? >> > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college= >> , I =3D >> > > took a >> > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world relig= >> ions >> > > > >>>> appealed to me. >> > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? >> > >> > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything abo= >> ut. >> > >> > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. >> > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what= >> he >> > > > >already believes. >> > >> > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At le= >> ast >> > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never >> > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone >> > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyo= >> ne >> > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. >> > >> > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that = >> he >> > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=3D= >> F8rsel=3D >> > > stegn - >> > >> > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - >> > >> > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth >> > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of >> > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I >> > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in >> > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. >> > >> > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating >> > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God >> >> God doesn't exist. >> >> >, people rejected >> > that evidence. >> >> What evidence? You never presented any. >> >> ev=B7i=B7dence >> -noun1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for >> belief; proof. >> 2=2E something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His >> flushed look was visible evidence of his fever. >> 3=2E Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in >> issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, >> documents, or objects. >> -verb (used with object) 4. to make evident or clear; show clearly; >> manifest: He evidenced his approval by promising his full support. >> 5=2E to support by evidence: He evidenced his accusation with >> incriminating letters. >> -Idiom6. in evidence, plainly visible; conspicuous: The first signs of >> spring are in evidence. >> Random House Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2006. >> >> Martin > >Martin, >Thanks for your post--I found this quotation in the report that I posted today: > >I should note that I DID NOT make the statement that is posted below. A >scientist made the statement. What are your comments about what this >scientist stated: > >One of these scientists is Dean Kenyon, who wrote a respected textbook on >chemical evolution, but has since seen the light in intelligent design. > >DEAN KENYON: We have not the slightest chance of a chemical evolutionary >origin for even the simplest of cells, so the concept of the intelligent >design of life was immensely attractive to me and made a great deal of >sense. > Please provide the original source of this quote. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071605590001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182811351.557959.227380@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 06:51, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." >> > >> > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > Jason wrote: >> > >> > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. >> > >> > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of >> > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a >> > > dictionary. >> > >> > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... >> > >> > > And you still don't get it. >> > >> > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? >> > >> > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of >> > National Geographic: >> > >> > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... >> >> Yes, the theories that explain the fact of evolution, just like the >> theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. You do understand >> that, don't you? Too bad you are too dishonest and cowardly to stop >> lying about it. > > I re-read the article related to evolution that was published in the > Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic. The author of the article made it > clear that evolution was a theory. > > He made this statement on page 8: > > "Evolution is both a beautiful concept and an important one, more crucial > nowadays to human welfare, to medical science, and to our understanding of > the world than ever before. It's also deeply persuasive--a theory you can > take to the bank...." > > Various members of this newsgroup appear to believe that evolution is a > fact but the author of the article that was printed in National Geographic > disagrees with you. > Jason Evolution is both a fact and a theory. The fact is evolution occurred. The theory is how. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182814194.061552.325340@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 7:05 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182811351.557959.227...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 25 Jun., 06:51, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. > > > > > > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of > > > > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a > > > > > dictionary. > > > > > > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... > > > > > > > And you still don't get it. > > > > > > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? > > > > > > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of > > > > National Geographic: > > > > > > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... > > > > > Yes, the theories that explain the fact of evolution, just like the > > > theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. You do understand > > > that, don't you? Too bad you are too dishonest and cowardly to stop > > > lying about it. > > > > I re-read the article related to evolution that was published in the > > Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic. The author of the article made it > > clear that evolution was a theory. > > > > He made this statement on page 8: > > > > "Evolution is both a beautiful concept and an important one, more crucial > > nowadays to human welfare, to medical science, and to our understanding of > > the world than ever before. It's also deeply persuasive--a theory you can > > take to the bank...." > > > > Various members of this newsgroup appear to believe that evolution is a > > fact but the author of the article that was printed in National Geographic > > disagrees with you. > > Evolution is a persuasive theory (because it has solid evidence > supposrting it). "Intelligent design" is complete fiction. > > Martin Martin, Natural Selection is a persuasive theory. Intelligent design explains how life came to be on this planet. What is your opinion of Dean Kenyon's statement which is posted below? One of these scientists is Dean Kenyon, who wrote a respected textbook on chemical evolution, but has since seen the light in intelligent design. DEAN KENYON: We have not the slightest chance of a chemical evolutionary origin for even the simplest of cells, so the concept of the intelligent design of life was immensely attractive to me and made a great deal of sense. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <m5l083tvho8aq1m7bplo13mv79ltbcip0f@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:15 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2506071223160001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <ddKfi.6775$Rw1.389@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > >bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > In article <G1Ffi.15732$2v1.1567@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > >> > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> > > >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >>> In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > >> >>> <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> kmurphy004@houston.rr.com wrote: > >> >>>>> Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between > >> >>>>> two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third > >> >>>>> option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. > >> >>>> Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. > >> >>>> Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. > >> >>> Evolution is a theory > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> So is number theory, so is music theory, and so is Relativity Theory. > >> >> > >> >> A theory is the best explanation of some phenomenon, at least until a > >> >> better one comes along. > >> >> > >> >> For your convenience, here is a definition from Webster's Online > >Dictionary: > >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ > >> >> Main Entry: the Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 8:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182814064.453751.298...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 11:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, > > > John Pope=3D > > > > > > lish > > > > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder > > > Jehovah t=3D > > > > > > o be the > > > > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in > > > college, I =3D > > > > > > took a > > > > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world > > > religions > > > > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything= > > about. > > > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course i= > > n it. > > > > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match = > > what he > > > > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. A= > > t least > > > > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he ne= > > ver > > > > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If eve= > > ryone > > > > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have = > > anyone > > > > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly t= > > hat he > > > > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i > > > anf=3DF8rsel=3D > > > > > > stegn - > > > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements= > > of > > > > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person= > > I > > > > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicat= > > ing > > > > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God, people rejec= > > ted > > > > > that evidence. I was told by at least one poster that he would not go= > > ogle > > > > > the term "miracle healings" because he already knew that anyone that > > > > > claimed to have been healed is lying. I posted information indicating= > > that > > > > > Dr. Dino Delaportas, MD verified that William Kent was healed by God. > > > > > How did Dr. Delaportas "verify" this? Did he see God perform the > > > > healing? How does he know that Vishnu or Odin or Athena didn't > > > > perform the healing instead. > > > > > > Various people in this newsgroup even rejected that evidence. In other > > > > > words, members of this newsgroup judge evidence based upon what they > > > > > already believe. I realize that people will disagree with me but that= > > does > > > > > not mean I am incorrect. > > > > > You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt > > > > was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the > > > > Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she > > > > would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea > > > > how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because > > > > she is a Christian. > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they > > > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > Since there was no evidence to reject, you have no point. There was > > hearsay testimony. How could the doctor or the person cured possibly > > know it was a miracle. This has been asked in various ways repeated, > > and you are still ignoring it. > > I understand your question. The doctor knew that William Kent had been in > a wheel chair for several years. The doctor had X-Rays and medical records > related to the reason William Kent was disabled. That same doctor heard > Willam Kent's testimony related to his healing. That doctor examined > William Kent and determined that he was no longer disabled and could walk > normally. The doctor believed the testimony of William Kent related to the > healing. Can William Kent or the doctor provide PROOF that God healed > William Kent that would satisfy athiests? The answer is NO. Can Willam > Kent and his doctor provide testimonies and statements that will convince > other Christians and myself that William Kent was healed? The answer is > Yes. Atheists do not believe the testimony of William Kent because of > their belief system. Many Christians will believe the testimony of William > Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will understand my > point. Atheists don't believe in God because God doesn't exist. Christians believe in God because they are naive idiots. You have never made a valid point. Martin Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:02:05 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071702050001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd09d@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:17:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> ... >> > >> >Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby >> >Poll Shows >> > >> >By: Staff >> >Discovery Institute >> >February 13, 2006 >> > >> > >> >By more than a 3-to-1 margin, Ohio residents strongly support public >> >school teachers presenting both the evidence for evolution, as well as the >> >evidence challenging the theory, according to a new poll by Zogby >> >International released today. >> > >> > Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071639430001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182812886.632371.303080@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182769286.811353.191...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> > Martin >> > >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article > <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > >> > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article >> > >> > <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > > > In article > <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > In article >> > > > > > > > > > <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, >> > Free Lunch >> > >> > > > > > > > > snip >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are >> > worshipping >> > > > > > a false >> > > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring > to God. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the >> > true God.- >> > > > > > Skjul = >> > > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> > >> > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the > equivalent to the >> > > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to >> > Christian Arabs of >> > > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call >> > their god >> > > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from >> > > > > > > > > German. >> > Apparently >> > > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are >> > > > > > > > > valid. >> > I am not >> > > > > > > > > surprised. >> > >> > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English >> > > > > > > > are >> > valid. Even >> > > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written >> > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, > they will >> > > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the >> > > > > > > > true God >> > > > and that >> > > > > > > > the moon god is a false God. >> > >> > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion > in your >> > > > > > > eyes? >> > >> > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. >> > >> > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go >> > > > > to >> > > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the >> > > > > day >> > > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the >> > > > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? >> > >> > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on > Saturday. Most >> > > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the > day that >> > > > Jesus rose from the dead. >> > >> > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the >> > > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again >> > > after >> > > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. >> > > No >> > > wonder you only barely passed Math 101. >> >> > I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The Bible Has >> > the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris >> > >> > "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2) >> > follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently began it in >> > commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, John 20: >> > 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of His >> > great >> > work of redemption was demonstred on that day...." >> >> Thank you for proving that Henry Morris ia a liar whom you are willing >> to believe ahead of your own Bible. >> >> Martin > > He mentioned scriptures from the Bible to support his statements. Anyone can support any position from the scriptures of the bible! Quote
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