Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:04:08 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071704090001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182813173.218982.308140@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article >> > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > > > > In article >> > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > > > > > to teach ID >> > >> > > > > But it is legal to do that... >> > >> > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> > >> > > > > So what's your problem? >> > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> > >> > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) >> > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US >> > > give up religious freedom? >> > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. I >> > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be taught in >> > the public schools. >> >> What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was >> flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit >> outright. Their loss. >> >> Martin > >The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a >state school should quit. > Why do you want lies taught in school, Jason? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:31:55 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2406072131550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182738013.400195.243750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> <snip article> >> >> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> America was more like Iran. >> >> - Bob T. > >Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > That worked out so well for Europe during the Dark Ages and the Thirty Years' War. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:31:04 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2406072331040001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182751329.065068.288550@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> > > <snip article> >> > >> > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> > > America was more like Iran. >> > >> > > - Bob T. >> > >> > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> >> Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious >> fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim >> religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would >> be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on >> our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. >> >> I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, >> including freedom from religion. >> >> - Bob T. > >I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take >over the world--one country at a time. They are presently committing >genocide on the people that live in Darfur. After they take over control >of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take over >surrounding countries. One expert believes they will eventually take over >Spain without firing a shot. Mullahs are encouraging young followers to >move to Spain. After 55% of the population of Spain are Muslims, they will >vote only for Muslims. Those politicians will vote to establish the same >sorts of laws they now have in Moslem countries. >jason > In the last ten years, America has taken over two countries. How many countries have Moslems taken over. Stop listening to nutcases like Limbaugh. You don't have enough brains to figure out when they are lying to you. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:04:43 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071104440001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182770555.111873.24200@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > >> > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> > > > > <snip article> >> > >> > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> > > > > America was more like Iran. >> > >> > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> > >> > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious >> > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim >> > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would >> > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on >> > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. >> > >> > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, >> > > including freedom from religion. >> > >> > > - Bob T. >> > >> > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take >> > over the world--one country at a time. >> >> Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How >> many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. >> How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? >> Two. >> >> If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by >> facts, Jason. >> >> Martin > >Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the >leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from >their countries--Bush would do it. Bush has already said he would not remove the troops. You are being lied to by someone. >The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the >Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in >Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control >over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the >surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" >if you don't believe me. >Jason > The Darfur war is Moslem against Moslem. Deal with reality. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:45:16 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071245160001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182798953.920546.232660@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article ><1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > >> > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> > > > > > > <snip article> >> > >> > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious >nutcases >> > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> > > > > > > America was more like Iran. >> > >> > > > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> > >> > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious >> > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim >> > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would >> > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on >> > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. >> > >> > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, >> > > > > including freedom from religion. >> > >> > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take >> > > > over the world--one country at a time. >> > >> > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How >> > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. >> > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? >> > > Two. >> > >> > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by >> > > facts, Jason. >> > >> > > Martin >> > >> > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the >> > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from >> > their countries--Bush would do it. >> >> <snicker> No, he wouldn't. >> > >> > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the >> > Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in >> > Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control >> > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the >> > surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" >> > if you don't believe me. >> >> You have vastly over-simplified the situation in Darfur. Are you >> aware that one of the causes of problems in Darfur is Global Warming? >> It's true - you may want to google "darfur global warming" if you >> don't believe me. >> >> - Bob T. >> > Jason- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > >Global warming is a problem in many countries. The major reason that >thousands of people that once lived in Darfur are now dead is not because >of global warming. It's because those people were MURDERED by Muslims from >the middle east. Google "genocide in Darfur". >jason > Those murder victims in Darfur were Moslem. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:12:50 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071712500001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182813471.492210.280850@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 20:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article ><1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > >> > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> > > > > > > <snip article> >> > >> > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious >nutcases >> > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> > > > > > > America was more like Iran. >> > >> > > > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> > >> > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious >> > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim >> > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would >> > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on >> > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. >> > >> > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, >> > > > > including freedom from religion. >> > >> > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take >> > > > over the world--one country at a time. >> > >> > > Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How >> > > many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. >> > > How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? >> > > Two. >> > >> > > If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by >> > > facts, Jason. >> > >> > > Martin >> > >> > Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the >> > leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from >> > their countries--Bush would do it. >> > >> > The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the >> > Sudan. >> >> In the real world Moslems have controlled the Sudan for centuries. >> >> >> At present, they are committing genocide against the people in >> > Darfur. >> >> People supposedly supported by the government of the Sudan are doing >> that not Moslems as a group, and Darfur is part of the Sudan. >> >> >Various experts are concerned that once they have total control >> > over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the >> > surrounding African countries. >> >> Name one of these experts. The Sudan is barely able to take over the >> Sudan. Many of the surrounding countries have been Moslem for a >> thousand years. Your experts seem to have missed a lot. >> >> >You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" >> > if you don't believe me. >> > >> >> Nobody believes you. I doubt that you believe you. > >The muslims from the middle east want to have total contrl of the Sudan. >Upon request, I'll post an article about it. > As long as it's from a real news agency and not one of the lying religious cult groups that you so like to quote. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182814409.512461.40450@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 7:19 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182812761.560570.271...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 26, 2:22 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182772972.682583.273...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On 25 Jun., 00:13, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:32:09 GMT, in alt.atheism > > > > > > cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote in > > > > > > <dxAfi.41706$5j1.32...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>: > > > > > > > > >Martin Phipps wrote: > > > > > > >> On Jun 24, 11:57 am, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>> Jason wrote: > > > > > > >>>> In article <vs2dnZ6aP9D9weDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@comcast.com>, John = > > > Pope=3D > > > > > lish > > > > > > >>>> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> Jason wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> I consider Christianity to be a true religion and conder Jehov= > > > ah t=3D > > > > > o be the > > > > > > >>>>>> only God. I consider Allah to be a false God. > > > > > > >>>>> (snip) > > > > > > >>>>> What process, in your life, lead you to these conclusions? > > > > > > >>>> My parents were Christians which played a role. While in college= > > > , I =3D > > > > > took a > > > > > > >>>> course related to the World Religions. None of those world relig= > > > ions > > > > > > >>>> appealed to me. > > > > > > >>> Then why do you act so ignorant of other faiths? > > > > > > > > >> It's yet another subject he managed to avoid learning anything abo= > > > ut. > > > > > > > > >The frightening thing is that he claims to have taken a course in it. > > > > > > >Maybe he is incapable of learning something that does not match what= > > > he > > > > > > >already believes. > > > > > > > > >He no longer responds to me. I think I may have offended him. At le= > > > ast > > > > > > >he no longer talks about "life evolving from non-life." If he never > > > > > > >responds to be again, it will be worth it just for that. If everyone > > > > > > >took a turn at the harsh education I gave him, he wouldn't have anyo= > > > ne > > > > > > >to talk to, but at least maybe he wouldn't sound as stupid. > > > > > > > > Maybe he will take offense at everyone who points out correctly that = > > > he > > > > > > is a liar who has no desire to learn the truth.- Skjul tekst i anf=3D= > > > F8rsel=3D > > > > > stegn - > > > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > He has a "through the looking glass" concept of such things as truth > > > > > and evidence. When people are behaving rationally their judgements of > > > > > what is true are influenced by evidence. Jason is the first person I > > > > > have encountered who actually openly states that he does it in > > > > > reverse, that he judges evidence based on what he already believes. > > > > > > It appears that I am not the only one. When I posted evidence indicating > > > > that Cheryl Prewitt and William Kent were healed by God > > > > > God doesn't exist. > > > > > >, people rejected > > > > that evidence. > > > > > What evidence? You never presented any. > > > > > ev=B7i=B7dence > > > -noun1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for > > > belief; proof. > > > 2=2E something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His > > > flushed look was visible evidence of his fever. > > > 3=2E Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in > > > issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, > > > documents, or objects. > > > -verb (used with object) 4. to make evident or clear; show clearly; > > > manifest: He evidenced his approval by promising his full support. > > > 5=2E to support by evidence: He evidenced his accusation with > > > incriminating letters. > > > -Idiom6. in evidence, plainly visible; conspicuous: The first signs of > > > spring are in evidence. > > > Random House Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2006. > > > Thanks for your post--I found this quotation in the report that I posted today: > > > > I should note that I DID NOT make the statement that is posted below. A > > scientist made the statement. > > Apparently not. To say that a scientist believes in something > supernatural makes as much sense as a Christian not believing Christ > ever existed. > > Martin > > > What are your comments about what this > > scientist stated: > > > > One of these scientists is Dean Kenyon, who wrote a respected textbook on > > chemical evolution, but has since seen the light in intelligent design. > > > > DEAN KENYON: We have not the slightest chance of a chemical evolutionary > > origin for even the simplest of cells, so the concept of the intelligent > > design of life was immensely attractive to me and made a great deal of > > sense. So--he was a respected scientist while he was writing a respected textbook on chemical evolution but stopped being a scientist on the day that he decided that "We have not the slightest chance of a chemical evolutionary origin for even the simplest of cells, so the concept of the intelligent design of life was immensely attractive to me and made a great deal of sense." Do you really believe that Dan Kenyon was a scientist on one day and was no longer a scientist on the following day? That makes no sense. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:46:52 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071646530001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182812406.148531.4040@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 08:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "= >> Bob >> > >> > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> > > > > <snip article> >> > >> > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> > > > > America was more like Iran. >> > >> > > > > - Bob T. >> > >> > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> > >> > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious >> > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim >> > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would >> > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on >> > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. >> > >> > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, >> > > including freedom from religion. >> > >> > > - Bob T. >> > >> > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take >> > over the world--one country at a time. >> >> It is also the goal of Christians. You said so. > >There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Muslims >chop off thier heads. Really? Please direct me to evidence that supports your very general claim. Does that happen every time that someone refuses to become Moslem? Why haven't they chopped off your head? >If people refuse to become Christians, we don't harm >them in any way. Has any Christian ever harmed you or threatened you? Yes. They keep threatening me with hell-fire, even though they don't have a shred of evidence that there is a hell or that I am going there. >> They are presently committing >> > genocide on the people that live in Darfur. >> >> All the Moslems are doing that? Even the ones that are at war with >> each other? Stop being such a fool. >> >> After they take over control >> > of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take over >> > surrounding countries. >> >> The Sudan is a Muslem country and has been for many centuries. > >The Muslims from Middle east are taking over the Sudan. They are either >killing the Black Muslims or forcing them to leave the country. > >Google--Genocide in Darfur > > >> One expert believes they will eventually take over >> > Spain without firing a shot. Mullahs are encouraging young followers to >> > move to Spain. After 55% of the population of Spain are Muslims, they will >> > vote only for Muslims. Those politicians will vote to establish the same >> > sorts of laws they now have in Moslem countries. >> > jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> >> Golly! > Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:36:02 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071636030001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182812314.640548.224980@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 1:45 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182774522.884760.309...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > > > > snip >> > >> > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping >> > a false >> > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. >> > >> > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- >> > Skjul = >> > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> > >> > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the >> > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of >> > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god >> > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently >> > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not >> > > > > surprised. >> > >> > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even >> > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in >> > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will >> > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God >and that >> > > > the moon god is a false God. >> > >> > > Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no >> > > evidence in the Bible that it is true. >> > >> > > > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please >> > > > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon >> > > > Mosque in the world? >> > >> > > Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. >> > >> > You failed to answer the question. >> >> You failed to answer the question of why Christians consider Sunday >> the Lord's day or why saints are depicted as having halos over their >> head (where Helios was the Roman sun god). >> >> But then you always do fail to answer our questions. >> >> Martin > >I answered the question about the Sunday in another post. I copied the >info. in Dr. Morris's book related to that subject. If you understood anything about religion, you would understand that Morris is a liar and completely untrustworthy. No responsible Christian would ever quote him. >I don't know about the saints depicted as having halos over their head. >Perhaps the artists that made the paintings were influenced by the >cultures. Paul mentioned some problems related to people eating food that >had been offered to idols. I heard a missionary from Haiti mention that >Christian converts in Haiti that were mixing Christian worship with voodoo >practices. I don't remember how that missionary dealt with that problem. >Needless to say, it's not proper for Christians to be involved in voodoo >practices. Moses had trouble with people building a cow to worship. God >was not happy with those people. As you know, the worship of idols was >common in Egypt which is why the Jews became involved in idol worship. >Jason > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <OIadnXA-Iacayx3bnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before > > a hypotheses can become a theory? > > Not really, Once no one can think of another test to try > that might falsify a hypothesis, it is a functional theory, > regardless of the personal opinions about it held by > individual scientists. Lots of times you have a hunch that > something is not right about a theory, even though you > haven't yet formulated a good way to prove that it is not > right. And sometimes there is more than one theory that > explain something,but no one has yet come up with a test > that will falsify at least one of them and leave the other. > So the theories continue to compete against each other, > till one is shot down. Individual scientists may champion > one or the other, but all agree that once a conclusive test > falsifies any theory, it has to go, or be improved to > eliminate the falsification. > > Theories are not adopted by a popularity contest or a > democratic process. It is a rough business if you tend to > get attached to your hypotheses. Thanks for answering my question. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:06:49 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071706500001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182813096.342711.38340@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 19:45, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182774522.884760.309...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > > > > snip >> > >> > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping >> > a false >> > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. >> > >> > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- >> > Skjul = >> > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> > >> > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the >> > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of >> > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god >> > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently >> > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not >> > > > > surprised. >> > >> > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even >> > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in >> > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will >> > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God >and that >> > > > the moon god is a false God. >> > >> > > Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no >> > > evidence in the Bible that it is true. >> > >> > > > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please >> > > > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon >> > > > Mosque in the world? >> > >> > > Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. >> > >> > You failed to answer the question. If you read the report, you will know >> > the reason there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim >> > Mosque in the world is because the name Allah came from an Arabic word >> > that had to do with the worship of the moon god in pre-Islamic Arabia. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Does that mean that Christian Arabs are not really Christians? You >> are not making any sense - needless to say. > >I did not state that Christian Arabs are not really Christians. Christian >Arabs are really Christians even if they call God by the name of Allah. > But you based your entire argument on the word "Allah", not the religion, even though it was pointed out to you that the god that Mohammed taught was the God of Abraham. You just have an irrational bias against Moslems worshipping the same God you claim to worship. They worship differently, that is certain. Their doctrines are different, just as the doctrines of Judaism are different, but in the end, if your God is true, then their God is true. Stop trying to contradict us. You are completely wrong and your whining about it will not make you correct. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071702050001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd09d@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:17:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> ... >> > >> >Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby >> >Poll Shows >> > >> >By: Staff >> >Discovery Institute >> >February 13, 2006 >> > >> > >> >By more than a 3-to-1 margin, Ohio residents strongly support public >> >school teachers presenting both the evidence for evolution, as well as >> >the >> >evidence challenging the theory, according to a new poll by Zogby >> >International released today. >> > >> > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <lrn08354r88sascg37pd0mtd33t5rp8uj0@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:04:43 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2506071104440001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <1182770555.111873.24200@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > >> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > >> > > >> > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > >> > > >> > > > > <snip article> > >> > > >> > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases > >> > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > >> > > > > America was more like Iran. > >> > > >> > > > > - Bob T. > >> > > >> > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. > >> > > >> > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > >> > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > >> > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > >> > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on > >> > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > >> > > >> > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > >> > > including freedom from religion. > >> > > >> > > - Bob T. > >> > > >> > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > >> > over the world--one country at a time. > >> > >> Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How > >> many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. > >> How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? > >> Two. > >> > >> If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by > >> facts, Jason. > >> > >> Martin > > > > >Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the > >leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from > >their countries--Bush would do it. > > Bush has already said he would not remove the troops. You are being lied > to by someone. > > >The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the > >Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in > >Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control > >over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the > >surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" > >if you don't believe me. > >Jason > > > The Darfur war is Moslem against Moslem. Deal with reality. That is true. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:40:55 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506071040550001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8uosg@4ax.com>, John Baker ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> > >> >snip >> > >> >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >> > >> >What makes your god the "true" one?s >> >> Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > >Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will >also say so--of course. > The vast majority of Christians have no problem acknowledging that Jews, Christians, Moslems and Bahai all worship the God of Abraham. There are very few who agree with you. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >> >> > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >> >> What makes your god the "true" one? > > Books have been written on that subject Yes and so far none of them have been right! Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2406072131550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182738013.400195.243750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> > >> <snip article> >> >> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >> America was more like Iran. >> >> - Bob T. > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. In your warped mind it would. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9aeh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2506071046360001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker > ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > ... > >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > >> >> Mosque in the world? > >> > >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a > >> Mormon mosque. <G> > > > >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. > > Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers > that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you > provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? Hubal and Allah the Moon God? Islam: Truth or Myth? start page Introduction to basic facts of history: 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC. 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. 3. This Hubal was a moon god. 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world: About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah". 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism. Hubal the moon god of the Kabah Allah the moon god of the Kabah Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2406071835420001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182718201.208602.124770@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> snip >> >> > >> > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping a >> > > false >> > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. >> > >> > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- >> > Skjul = >> tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> >> Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the >> English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of >> all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god >> "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently >> you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not >> surprised. > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that > the moon god is a false God. > > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon > Mosque in the world? > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > 12/24/04 > A Look At Iran's Christian Minority > By Golnaz Esfandiari > > Iran is officially designated the "Islamic Republic," yet among its more > than 66 million people is a small but important Christian minority. Most > of Iran's Christians are Armenians and Assyrians, who remain relatively > free to follow their faith. The numbers of Protestants and evangelical > Christians are said to be growing. For these people, life is often much > more difficult. RFE/RL correspondent Golnaz Esfandiari takes a look at > Iran's Christian minority. > > Prague, 23 December 2004 (RFE/RL) -- Christian Armenians and Assyrians > have lived for centuries on the territory of what is today Iran. > > Vigen, one of Iran's most famous singers, came from the country's Armenian > community. He was loved by all Iranians in spite of the fact his faith was > different from the vast majority. He died recently, but remains a legend. > > The number of Armenians, Iran's largest Christian minority, was estimated > at about 300,000 in 1979. It has declined in recent times but remains > culturally important. > > Mardo Soghom, the director of RFE/RL's Radio Farda, is Armenian by origin > but grew up in Isfahan, in central Iran. > > "The 400-year history of the Armenian community in Iran is perhaps the > greatest example of religious tolerance and peaceful coexistence, even at > the time when the country experienced isolation and socio-economic > backwardness," Soghom said. "In the 20th century, as the country > modernized, the Armenian community thrived both economically and > culturally. After the revolution, dislocations and restrictions affecting > the general population also created hardships for Armenians, nearly half > the community left Iran. Some discriminatory policies and restrictions > came into effect, but still community rights are generally protected." > > Armenians have two seats in the Iranian parliament but continue to face > cultural, social, and administrative difficulties. They report > discrimination in finding work, and just a few Armenian schools are > fortunate enough to have an Armenian schoolmaster. > > The Assyrian Christian population is estimated at some 10,000. They have > one seat in the parliament. > > Iran is also home to a small number of Catholics and a small but growing > number of Protestants. > > A relatively new phenomenon is the rising number of Muslim-born Iranians > who convert to Christianity. > > Issa Dibaj is the son of reverend Hassan Dibaj, a Christian convert who > was jailed and later found murdered in 1994. Issa Dibaj left Iran five > years ago and now lives in the U.K. > > "There is another Christian minority that people know little about, these > are Iranians who are born as Muslims and then later become Christians," > Dibaj said. "Their number is growing day by day. [There] may be around > 100,000 [of them], but no one really knows the exact number." > > Such Christians run a potentially dangerous risk. Under Islamic law as > practiced in Iran, a Muslim who converts to another faith can face the > death penalty. > > The government has refrained from executing people for this in recent > years, nevertheless it has taken measure to curb proselytizing by > Christians. > > Some churches have been closed and reports say the authorities are putting > pressure on evangelicals not to recruit Muslims or to allow them to attend > services. > > In September, 85 member of the Assemblies of God church were arrested > during a conference in Iran. One remains in jail. > > Dibaj said in spite of the restrictions, he sees a growing interest in > Christianity: "[iranians] see that the establishment which came in the > name of Islam has brought them only war, rancor, hatred, and killings. At > the same time, they see the message of Jesus, which is love. It attracts > them through programs they see on satellite or through their Christian > friends." > > He added: "People are very curious, very interested. Iranians [are] open > and they like to know more about different cultures, ideas, and religions. > I had friends who had been prisoners of war in Iraq, at the university > they were my best friends, they were very interested [about my faith], and > I gave some of them the Bible." > > Iranian Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus pretty much like other > Christians around the world. They decorate Christmas trees, exchange > gifts, and attend services. Depending on the calendar, Armenians and > Assyrians celebrate Christmas on 6 January. Others celebrate usually on 24 > December. > > According to some reports Persia may even be the land of origin of the > "Three Wise Men" who -- according to the Bible -- arrived bearing gifts > for the birth of Christ. Some say they were Persian "Magi" -- members of > priestly caste at the time. > > Reprinted with the permission of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, 1201 > Connecticut Ave., N.W. Washington DC 20036. http://www.rferl.org According to the facts, there were no three wise men. Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:45:32 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <1182774522.884760.309730@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > > snip >> > >> > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping >a false >> > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. >> > >> > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- >Skjul = >> > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> > >> > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the >> > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of >> > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god >> > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently >> > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not >> > > surprised. >> > >> > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even >> > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in >> > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will >> > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God and that >> > the moon god is a false God. >> >> Since they are Christians they already believe that. There is no >> evidence in the Bible that it is true. >> >> > For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please >> > explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon >> > Mosque in the world? >> >> Or why many people like mustard. You certainly do like non sequiturs. > >You failed to answer the question. And you failed to develop a working brain. Your point? >If you read the report, you will know >the reason there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim >Mosque in the world is because the name Allah came from an Arabic word >that had to do with the worship of the moon god in pre-Islamic Arabia. >> >> >> > >> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >> snip > Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:40:55 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8uosg@4ax.com>, John Baker ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> > >> >snip >> > >> >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >> > >> >What makes your god the "true" one?s >> >> Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > >Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will >also say so--of course. If 1.9 billion people believe a lie, it's still a lie. > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <3pl083134ng61n3ep4jt0u9ii9e2e7p19t@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:01:26 -0000, in alt.talk.creationism > Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in > <1182769286.811353.191610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>: > >On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> In article <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > >> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > In article <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >> > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > > In article <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> > >> > > > > > snip > >> > >> > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are worshipping > >> > > a false > >> > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring to God. > >> > >> > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.- > >> > > Skjul = > >> > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > >> > >> > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the equivalent to the > >> > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to Christian Arabs of > >> > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call their god > >> > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. Apparently > >> > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. I am not > >> > > > > > surprised. > >> > >> > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are valid. Even > >> > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > >> > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, they will > >> > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God > >> and that > >> > > > > the moon god is a false God. > >> > >> > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion in your > >> > > > eyes? > >> > >> > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > >> > >> > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to > >> > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day > >> > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the > >> > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > > > >> Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on Saturday. Most > >> Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the day that > >> Jesus rose from the dead. > > > >Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the > >day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after > >THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No > >wonder you only barely passed Math 101. > > There is a Gospel claim that Jesus said He would do it in three days, > but the story-line that we find in the Gospels in the passion narrative > is pretty clear that it took 39 hours from death to resurrection (3 pm > on Friday to 6 am on Sunday). The writers of the Creed were cognizant of > this possible problem and stated "on the third day" which is perfectly > consistent with the narrative. > > I think Jason rejects the creeds, so that doesn't help him. I recall learning that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. I don't know much about how they measured time in those days. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506071158000001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <gepu735pcn22ngbruvva0am1jer9g880kl@4ax.com>, John Baker > <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:51:30 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >> ><spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. >> >> >> >> As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of >> >> the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a >> >> dictionary. >> >> >> >> > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... >> >> > >> >> And you still don't get it. >> >> >> >> Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? >> > >> >These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of >> >National Geographic: >> > >> >EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... >> >> Yes? Were you going somewhere with this? >> >> 'Evolution' is the term used to describe an observed and documented >> biological process. In short, a fact . 'Evolutionary theory ' is the >> term applied to the sets of proposals that explain (or attempt to >> explain) the mechanisms that drive the process. Theories are not and >> never will be facts. Rather, they are explanations of facts. If >> there were no observed, documented fact of evolution, there'd be no >> need for theories explaining it. >> >> The fact of evolution is indisputable, the claims of creationist >> propaganda mills like ICR and Discovery Institute not withstanding. >> Some aspects of the explanation (i.e. the theory) may indeed be open >> to question, but you are not qualified to do so. Not by a very, VERY >> long shot. > > Evolution is a theory and is not a fact. As you stated in your > post--theories are not and never will be facts. > > I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of > National Geographic magazine: > > Evolution is a theory. > > page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. > > I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution > is a theory. Evolution is both a fact and a theory. You also need to be very careful when using an ordinary dictionary to attempt to define scientific terms, you end up with egg on your face if you don't. Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:58:00 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <gepu735pcn22ngbruvva0am1jer9g880kl@4ax.com>, John Baker ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:51:30 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >> ><spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. >> >> >> >> As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of >> >> the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a >> >> dictionary. >> >> >> >> > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... >> >> > >> >> And you still don't get it. >> >> >> >> Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? >> > >> >These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of >> >National Geographic: >> > >> >EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... >> >> Yes? Were you going somewhere with this? >> >> 'Evolution' is the term used to describe an observed and documented >> biological process. In short, a fact . 'Evolutionary theory ' is the >> term applied to the sets of proposals that explain (or attempt to >> explain) the mechanisms that drive the process. Theories are not and >> never will be facts. Rather, they are explanations of facts. If >> there were no observed, documented fact of evolution, there'd be no >> need for theories explaining it. >> >> The fact of evolution is indisputable, the claims of creationist >> propaganda mills like ICR and Discovery Institute not withstanding. >> Some aspects of the explanation (i.e. the theory) may indeed be open >> to question, but you are not qualified to do so. Not by a very, VERY >> long shot. > >Evolution is a theory and is not a fact. As you stated in your >post--theories are not and never will be facts. > >I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of >National Geographic magazine: > >Evolution is a theory. > >page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. > >I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution >is a theory. You didn't understand a fucking word I said, did you? > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182816528.662652.63130@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 7:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182812886.632371.303...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 26, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182769286.811353.191...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, > > > > Free Lunch > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians are > > > > worshipping > > > > > > > > a false > > > > > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when referring > > to God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the > > > > true God.- > > > > > > > > Skjul = > > > > > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the > > equivalent to the > > > > > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to > > > > Christian Arabs of > > > > > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not call > > > > their god > > > > > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from German. > > > > Apparently > > > > > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are valid. > > > > I am not > > > > > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in English are > > > > valid. Even > > > > > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles written in > > > > > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their Bibles, > > they will > > > > > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is the true God > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > > > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam religion > > in your > > > > > > > > > eyes? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > > > > > > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they go to > > > > > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament, the day > > > > > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the > > > > > > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > > > > > > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on > > Saturday. Most > > > > > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's Day--the > > day that > > > > > > Jesus rose from the dead. > > > > > > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday (the > > > > > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again after > > > > > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, Jason. No > > > > > wonder you only barely passed Math 101. > > > > > > I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The Bible Has > > > > the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris > > > > > > "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2) > > > > follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently began it in > > > > commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, John 20: > > > > 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of His great > > > > work of redemption was demonstred on that day...." > > > > > Thank you for proving that Henry Morris ia a liar whom you are willing > > > to believe ahead of your own Bible. > > > > He mentioned scriptures from the Bible to support his statements. > > Which doesn't change the fact that the Bible disagrees with him. > First look at Mark: > > Mark 8:31: "And He [Jesus] began to teach them that the Son of Man > must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief > priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." > > Mark 9:31: "For He taught His disciples and said to them, `The Son of > Man is being delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. > And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.' " > > So if Jesus was buried on "Good" Friday then there is no way he could > have risen on Sunday. And it was supposedly Friday, the day before > the Sabbath according to John and Luke: > > John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the > bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [for that Sabbath > was a high day). > > Luke 23:56. The women ".. prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they > rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment " > > Some have argued that a "day" meant 12 hours but Matthew makes it > clear that "three days" includes "three nights": > > Matthew 12:40, "three days and three nights in the heart of the > earth." > > Why are so you ignorant of what your Bible says, the book which you > claim to believe in? > > Martin Martin, I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the tradition that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find out the reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday. Jason Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:11:17 -0000, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jun 26, 3:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <1182770400.015623.172...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > On Jun 25, 2:17 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > In article <1182747255.256358.183...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > On Jun 25, 10:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > In article >> >> <1182735594.401238.200...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:18 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > > In article >> > > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> >> > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > > > > > > > In article >> > > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > > > > > > > > to teach ID >> >> > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... >> >> > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> >> > > > > > > > So what's your problem? >> >> > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of >> course, >> > > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> >> > > > > > "Intelligent design" has no place in a biology class, Jason, because >> > > > > > "Intelligent design" is reliogion and not science. You admitted that >> > > > > > yourself when you said that even a child would know that the >> > > > > > "designer" was supposed to be God (or Allah as the case may be). >> >> > > > > That is true--even children could figure it out. Martin, it will >> probably >> > > > > never happen. The advocates of evolution will not let it happen. >> They will >> > > > > take states to court that want to teach ID. They do not want >> evolution to >> > > > > have to compete with ID. They are afraid that children will realize that >> > > > > ID makes more sense than Evolution. >> >> > > > Religion only makes sense to diseased brains like your own, Jason. >> >> > > Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby >> > > Poll Shows >> >> > Which proves what, exactly? Religion is a disease, Jason, and >> > education is the cure. > >> It proves that more people in Ohio agrees with me > >Stop calling people in Ohio idiots, Jason. Indeed. The IDiots have tried to weasel their crap into Ohio schools more than once. They've been shot down every time. > >Martin Quote
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