Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 9:12 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <yAZfi.7126$n9.6...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2406071818230001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> In article > > >> <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > I want to make it legal for teachers > > >> > to teach ID > > > >> But it is legal to do that... > > > >> ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > >> So what's your problem? > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > Tell me Jason, just how would you propose teaching ID as science? Please be > > specific in your reply. > > Teachers and students would use the textbook "Of Pandas and People" which > has no Biblical content. It also has no scientific content. And you can't argue that it does because you've never seen it. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 9:18 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <a1p083h1qaslcq9rp95l6mv8e14ncnc...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > > > > > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:58:00 -0700, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >In article <gepu735pcn22ngbruvva0am1jer9g88...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > ><n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:51:30 -0700, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> >In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > >> ><s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> Jason wrote: > > > >> >> > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. > > > >> >> As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of > > >> >> the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a > > >> >> dictionary. > > > >> >> > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... > > > >> >> And you still don't get it. > > > >> >> Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? > > > >> >These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of > > >> >National Geographic: > > > >> >EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... > > > >> Yes? Were you going somewhere with this? > > > >> 'Evolution' is the term used to describe an observed and documented > > >> biological process. In short, a fact . 'Evolutionary theory ' is the > > >> term applied to the sets of proposals that explain (or attempt to > > >> explain) the mechanisms that drive the process. Theories are not and > > >> never will be facts. Rather, they are explanations of facts. If > > >> there were no observed, documented fact of evolution, there'd be no > > >> need for theories explaining it. > > > >> The fact of evolution is indisputable, the claims of creationist > > >> propaganda mills like ICR and Discovery Institute not withstanding. > > >> Some aspects of the explanation (i.e. the theory) may indeed be open > > >> to question, but you are not qualified to do so. Not by a very, VERY > > >> long shot. > > > >Evolution is a theory and is not a fact. As you stated in your > > >post--theories are not and never will be facts. > > > >I copied the following information from page 8 of the Nov 2004 issue of > > >National Geographic magazine: > > > >Evolution is a theory. > > > >page 6--the term "evolutionary theory" is used. > > > >I looked up Evolution in Webster's Dictionary and it states that evolution > > >is a theory. > > > You didn't understand a fucking word I said, did you? > > What you stated conflicted with information I read in other sources. That's a lie, Jason. Evolutionary theory is any theory that explains the fact of evolution. There's no contradiction. Lying is evil, Jason. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 9:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I also re-read the article in National Geographic and underlined every > mention of the term "evolution". Evolution was NEVER referred to as a > fact. That's another lie, Jason. You're already on record for admitting that the article in question claimed that the evidence was "overwhelmingly" in support of evolution. We consider things facts, Jason, when they are overwhelmingly supported by evidence. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 9:27 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? Why does a halo appear on the head of every saint in pictures? Why does sun symbolism continue to the present day on robes, banners, icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the heart of Jesus, etc.? Who do priests bow and kiss a monstrance which is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions? Why do Christians go to church on Sunday when the old testament claimed that Jesus would rise after three days, ie three days after Friday and therefore on Monday? Answer the damn questions, Jason. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 9:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > page 8--"Evolution is...a theory you can take to the bank." bank on To have confidence in; rely on. The American Heritage Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In alt.atheism On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:23:24 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <1182812995.696172.47860@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 25 Jun., 19:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker >> > >> > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: >> > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote >> > >> > > >snip >> > >> > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >> > >> > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s >> > >> > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> >> > >> > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will >> > also say so--of course. >> >> How many have to believe something before it is true? > >I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before >a hypotheses can become a theory? Hypothesis don't "become" theories. You demonstrate your ignorance of the scientific method by saying such. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182825539.614729.233910@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 8:29 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <m5l083tvho8aq1m7bplo13mv79ltbci...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > So, aside from you huge ego, why do you claim that humans are special. > > > The physical evidence shows otherwise. > > > > Because the Bible states that humans are special. > > So, aside from your huge ego, what possible reason do you have for > believing anything in the Bible? You were asked before to find > something -anything- in the Bible which is objectively true and you > never answered (as usual). > > Martin Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182828613.089259.72820@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 9:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > I also re-read the article in National Geographic and underlined every > > mention of the term "evolution". Evolution was NEVER referred to as a > > fact. > > That's another lie, Jason. You're already on record for admitting > that the article in question claimed that the evidence was > "overwhelmingly" in support of evolution. We consider things facts, > Jason, when they are overwhelmingly supported by evidence. > > Martin The author of the article stated: "Evolution is...a theory you can take to the bank." Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <-tKdnVIybeuTHh3bnZ2dnUVZ_qemnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > I also re-read the article in National Geographic and underlined every > > mention of the term "evolution". Evolution was NEVER referred to as a > > fact. > > Not at all surprising. The theory of evolution is a story, > and explanation. This magazine was telling a part of that > story. But there are many millions of evolution facts, > indisputable bits of evidence that one species descended > from an earlier species. That generics in every living > thing contains the record of earlier, ancestral species. > That quantum leaps in diversity have taken place after > strange and unusual processes, not always point mutations. > > Here is an example of an evolution theory story containing > lots of evolution facts. > > The mitochondria in each of your cells look very much like > some primitive simple single celled organisms that still > live solitary lives, today. Some early cells made a big > jump in their metabolism capability by eating something very > like a mitochondria and instead of digesting it, kept it as > a captive, internal pet, or partner. The outer cell > provides the mitochondria with basic nutrients, and the > mitochondria share the high energy ATP molecules they > produce, with their host. Another evolutionary fact is that > each of these mitochondria is not only surrounded by its > original lipid bilayer, that served as its cell wall, when > it lived outside, but is also surrounded by the inside-out > bubble of the cell wall that dimpled inward, to engulf it > and bring it inside to eat it... but didn't. The > mitochondria do not divide in perfect unison with the outer > cell, but do so at their own (though regulated by the outer > cell) rate. When the container cell divides, about half of > the contained mitochondria go with each daughter cell. > Nobody knows how many trillions of mitochondria like cells > were digested before a pair came together that were each > "defective" in just the right way to allow for this very > functional partnership to be possible. > > Though the article may not have referred to any of the facts > it fit into the evolutionary story made possible by > evolutionary theory, as facts of evolution, all of the facts > mentioned are, in reality, evolutionary facts. The theory > of evolution is the concept that makes that collection of > facts fit together into a coherent and non contradictory story. > > So to sum up, there are countless evolutionary facts... > simple observations that appear to show details about life > changing over time, and there is evolution theory, that is > an explanatory framework that fits all those facts together > into an understandable process. John, Thanks for your interesting post. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <m6r083hfa4oebpf4a56skimde32a9itmd5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:34 -0700, in alt.atheism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2506071827340001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <mip083tkkqhcp757tku7i60mga5nmhp6tr@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-2506071749490001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9aeh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >> <Jason-2506071046360001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker > >> >> ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> ... > >> >> >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same > >God--please > >> >> >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of > >every Mormon > >> >> >> >> Mosque in the world? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a > >> >> >> Mormon mosque. <G> > >> >> > > >> >> >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. > >> >> > >> >> Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers > >> >> that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you > >> >> provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? > >> > > >> >Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > >> > > >> >Islam: Truth or Myth? start page > >> > > >> >Introduction to basic facts of history: > >> > > >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far > >> >back as 2000 BC. > >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was > >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may > >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret > >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > >> >throughout the world: > >> > > >> > About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr > >> >bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol > >> >called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of > >> >the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar > >> >(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > >> > > >> > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper > >> >name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". > >> >Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan > >> >god as "al-ilah". > >> > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began > >> >promoting his new religion in 610 AD. > >> > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". > >> > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name > >> >"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". > >> > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the > >> >Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. > >> > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is > >> >derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. > >> > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in > >paganism. > >> > > >> > Hubal the moon god of the Kabah > >> > > >> > Allah the moon god of the Kabah > >> > > >> >Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran > >> > > >> >Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah > >> > > >> >Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship > >> > > >> >Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. > >> > > >> That does not show that they worship a moon god. > >> > >> You wouldn't persuade anyone that you know what you are talking about. > > > >Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > > > Why not? What does that have to do with the fact that they worship the > God of Abraham? > > Christians use a cross. Does that mean that God is dead? Here is the answer to the question: > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far >> >back as 2000 BC. >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque >> >throughout the world: >> > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <-tKdnU0ybesUHh3bnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > > That would be a good question for you to research with > Google or Wikipedia, and show us what you find. Traditions > are often fascinating. Here's the answer: > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far >> >back as 2000 BC. >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque >> >throughout the world: >> > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182826386.370711.300330@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 8:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > > Helios and Jesus the Sun God? > > http://jesus8880.com/chapters/gematria/helios-greek-mythology.htm > > <snip> > > The early Christian Church eagerly promoted Jesus-Helios-Sol sun > symbolism to appease the Roman emperor Constantine who was the high > priest of Sol Invictus all through his reign. The sun symbolism > continues to the present day on robes, banners, icons, behind the > cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the heart of Jesus, etc. > Priests even bow and kiss a monstrance which is a gold statue of the > sun on a pedestal during processions. > > Martin Martin, I am not a catholic. I once attended one service at a Catholic church. I saw lots of symbols and robes. People that are catholics probably understand those sorts of things. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <fm5183lq4srvtfqpnq4smcur4sv003akhm@4ax.com>, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:23:24 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > (Jason) let us all know that: > > >In article <1182812995.696172.47860@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> On 25 Jun., 19:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <pqqv73dlrf1q1bh1gc99es8oqpsoe8u...@4ax.com>, John Baker > >> > > >> > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > >> > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >"Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote > >> > > >> > > >snip > >> > > >> > > >> If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > >> > > >> > > >What makes your god the "true" one?s > >> > > >> > > Why, because Jason says so, of course. <G> > >> > > >> > Funny--There are 1.9 billion Christians in the world. Many of them will > >> > also say so--of course. > >> > >> How many have to believe something before it is true? > > > >I have a question for you-- do scientists need to have a consensus before > >a hypotheses can become a theory? > > Hypothesis don't "become" theories. You demonstrate your > ignorance of the scientific method by saying such. > > > Don > --- > aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde > Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. > > "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" > Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" I seem to recall reading that there was a consensus among scientists related to the Big Bang. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182826053.120193.294910@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:46:52 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-2506071646530...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > >There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Muslims > > >chop off thier heads. If people refuse to become Christians, we don't harm > > >them in any way. > > The harm comes from a person actually believing your lies. There is > very little difference between believing in a religion and having your > head chopped off: in both cases you stop thinking and eventually die. > > Martin Believe it or not--we will all eventually die. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > > That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society > so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing > for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that > aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as > there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize that God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when they die. When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize that we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to seeing my parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <DipthotDipthot-1DEF3B.19130325062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > In article > <Jason-2506071217400001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools > > Scientific truth is not a popularity contest. > > The masses, on average, are not too bright. Do you want that kind of > mediocre thinking foisted on our young? > > Of course you do. And that's called thought control. I would much prefer the citizens of Ohio electing politicians that will do what the citizens of Ohio want them to do related to education policy than to have a group of unelected evolutionists deciding education policy. jason Quote
Guest johac Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <juOdnXAbp-cADOPbnZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 23 Jun., 20:09, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > (snip) > >> Keep posting here long enough, and you will join their ranks. > > > > There is a good chance he will encourage other theists to become > > atheists. One might suspect that he was hired by the EEC (which > > doesn't exist of course) to pretend to be a theist. > > He works hard for the money. EEC? Evil Existentialist Conspiracy? I wonder if Jean-Paul Sartre knows about it. -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182828176.211047.202990@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 9:05 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182816781.073818.317...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 26, 8:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of > > course, > > > > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > > > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admitted) > > > > > > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should the US > > > > > > > give up religious freedom? > > > > > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > > > > > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools. I > > > > > > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be > > taught in > > > > > > the public schools. > > > > > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > > > > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > > > > > outright. Their loss. > > > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > > > > state school should quit. > > > > > Leaving you with no qualified teachers and an ignorant population. > > > Which explains everything. > > > > > No teacher in good conscience knowingly "teaches" lies. > > > > You are assumming that most of the qualified teachers would leave. That > > may or may not be true. They would lose their retirement pay. > > To hell with retirement pay. I'd devote my time to a lawsuit against > those who forced me to quit because they wanted me to lie to > students. And I'd win. And there'd be thousands of teachers who > would do likewise. They can't force teachers to lie to their > students. It would be a violation of their constitution rights. > > Martin It's now easy for me to understand why the home schooling movement is growing and the reason why so many large churches are now starting their own Christian schools. Many of the rich people in this town send their children to a Catholic prep school. I don't blame all of those parents for giving up on the public school system. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182828376.590242.59740@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 9:12 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <yAZfi.7126$n9.6...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:Jason-2406071818230001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > In article > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > >> In article > > > >> <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > >> > to teach ID > > > > > >> But it is legal to do that... > > > > > >> ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > >> So what's your problem? > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > Tell me Jason, just how would you propose teaching ID as science? Please be > > > specific in your reply. > > > > Teachers and students would use the textbook "Of Pandas and People" which > > has no Biblical content. > > It also has no scientific content. And you can't argue that it does > because you've never seen it. > > Martin That's true--just a book review. Jason Quote
Guest cactus Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <ddKfi.6775$Rw1.389@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <G1Ffi.15732$2v1.1567@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, >>> bm1@nonespam.com wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <FM2dnSEybe2qW-PbnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >>>>> <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> kmurphy004@houston.rr.com wrote: >>>>>>> Ultimatims are not logical. Being forced to choose between >>>>>>> two options doesn't exclude the possibility that a third >>>>>>> option exists. Neither creationism nor evolution is correct. >>>>>> Inventing a third option doesn't mean it's the correct one. >>>>>> Evolution is a fact. It's not an option. >>>>> Evolution is a theory >>>>> >>>>> >>>> So is number theory, so is music theory, and so is Relativity Theory. >>>> >>>> A theory is the best explanation of some phenomenon, at least until a >>>> better one comes along. >>>> >>>> For your convenience, here is a definition from Webster's Online > Dictionary: >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> Main Entry: the Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 csmonitor.com - The Christian Science Monitor Online from the July 14, 2004 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0714/p09s02-coop.html Racism at root of Sudan's Darfur crisis By Makau Mutua BUFFALO, N.Y. - The visits by US Secretary of State Colin Powell and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to Sudan last week gave hope that the genocide in Darfur can be arrested before an entire people is obliterated. But anyone - including Mr. Powell and Mr. Annan - interested in averting more tragedy there must understand that Darfur is not an accidental apocalypse of mass slaughters, enslavement, pillage, and ethnic cleansing. The Darfur pogrom is part of a historic continuum in which successive Arab governments have sought to entirely destroy black Africans in this biracial nation. Darfur is not a mere humanitarian disaster that access by international relief agencies can reverse. The raison d' Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 12:41 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182825539.614729.233...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 8:29 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <m5l083tvho8aq1m7bplo13mv79ltbci...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > So, aside from you huge ego, why do you claim that humans are special. > > > > The physical evidence shows otherwise. > > > > Because the Bible states that humans are special. > > > So, aside from your huge ego, what possible reason do you have for > > believing anything in the Bible? You were asked before to find > > something -anything- in the Bible which is objectively true and you > > never answered (as usual). > > Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. I said objectiovely true, Jason, not objectively false. Every sane man knows that God does not exist. "Religion is an attempt to get control over the sensory world, in which we are placed, by means of the wish-world, which we have developed inside us as a result of biological and psychological necessities." Sigmund Freud, A Philosophy of Life (Lecture 35) "Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires." Sigmund Freud, ibid. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 12:45 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182828613.089259.72...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 9:20 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > I also re-read the article in National Geographic and underlined every > > > mention of the term "evolution". Evolution was NEVER referred to as a > > > fact. > > > That's another lie, Jason. You're already on record for admitting > > that the article in question claimed that the evidence was > > "overwhelmingly" in support of evolution. We consider things facts, > > Jason, when they are overwhelmingly supported by evidence. > > The author of the article stated: > > "Evolution is...a theory you can take to the bank." Which is exactly what we've been trying to tell you. bank on To have confidence in; rely on. The American Heritage Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 12:50 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <m6r083hfa4oebpf4a56skimde32a9it...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:34 -0700, in alt.atheism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-2506071827340...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >In article <mip083tkkqhcp757tku7i60mga5nmhp...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> <Jason-2506071749490...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >> <Jason-2506071046360...@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >> >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcr...@4ax.com>, John Baker > > >> >> ><n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same > > >God--please > > >> >> >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of > > >every Mormon > > >> >> >> >> Mosque in the world? > > > >> >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a > > >> >> >> Mormon mosque. <G> > > > >> >> >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. > > > >> >> Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers > > >> >> that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you > > >> >> provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? > > > >> >Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > > > >> >Islam: Truth or Myth? start page > > > >> >Introduction to basic facts of history: > > > >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > > >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far > > >> >back as 2000 BC. > > >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > > >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > > >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was > > >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may > > >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret > > >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > > >> >throughout the world: > > > >> > About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr > > >> >bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol > > >> >called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of > > >> >the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar > > >> >(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > > > >> > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper > > >> >name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". > > >> >Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan > > >> >god as "al-ilah". > > >> > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began > > >> >promoting his new religion in 610 AD. > > >> > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". > > >> > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name > > >> >"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". > > >> > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the > > >> >Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. > > >> > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is > > >> >derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. > > >> > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in > > >paganism. > > > >> > Hubal the moon god of the Kabah > > > >> > Allah the moon god of the Kabah > > > >> >Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran > > > >> >Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah > > > >> >Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship > > > >> >Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. > > > >> That does not show that they worship a moon god. > > > >> You wouldn't persuade anyone that you know what you are talking about. > > > >Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > > > Why not? What does that have to do with the fact that they worship the > > God of Abraham? > > > Christians use a cross. Does that mean that God is dead? > > Here is the answer to the question: > > > So you admit you have no answer, Jason? Martin > > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far > >> >back as 2000 BC. > >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was > >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may > >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret > >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > >> >throughout the world: Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 12:53 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <-tKdnU0ybesUHh3bnZ2dnUVZ_qfin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > > Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > > > That would be a good question for you to research with > > Google or Wikipedia, and show us what you find. Traditions > > are often fascinating. > > Here's the answer: > > > Two questions in a row and no answer, Jason. How did you ever finish kindergarten at this rate? Did your teachers just give you a pass? Martin > > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far > >> >back as 2000 BC. > >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was > >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may > >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret > >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > >> >throughout the world: Quote
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