Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 12:58 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182826386.370711.300...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 8:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > > > Helios and Jesus the Sun God? > > >http://jesus8880.com/chapters/gematria/helios-greek-mythology.htm > > > <snip> > > > The early Christian Church eagerly promoted Jesus-Helios-Sol sun > > symbolism to appease the Roman emperor Constantine who was the high > > priest of Sol Invictus all through his reign. The sun symbolism > > continues to the present day on robes, banners, icons, behind the > > cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the heart of Jesus, etc. > > Priests even bow and kiss a monstrance which is a gold statue of the > > sun on a pedestal during processions. > I am not a catholic. I once attended one service at a Catholic church. I > saw lots of symbols and robes. People that are catholics probably > understand those sorts of things. So in addition to math, physics, biology, chemistry, history, anthropology and economics, you are now admitting that you know nothing about the history of your own religious practices? This is what happens to people who decide early on that they don't need any education, Jason. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 1:04 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182826053.120193.294...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:46:52 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > <Jason-2506071646530...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > > > >There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Muslims > > > >chop off thier heads. If people refuse to become Christians, we don't harm > > > >them in any way. > > > The harm comes from a person actually believing your lies. There is > > very little difference between believing in a religion and having your > > head chopped off: in both cases you stop thinking and eventually die. > Believe it or not--we will all eventually die. It's good to see you come to your senses, Jason. I was under the impression you still believed you were going to live on and ascend to Heaven. I am delighted to see you making real progress! Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 1:16 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > > > That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society > > so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing > > for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that > > aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as > > there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. > > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize that > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven I see it will take a while to deprogram your theist conditioning. You have been exposed to it for decades and you won't be rid of the effects so soon but I'm sure that I and most of us here will continue to work with you until your illness is cured. Martin Quote
Guest John Popelish Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Jason wrote: > John, > Thanks for your interesting post. > Jason At your service. John Popelish Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 1:27 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-1DEF3B.19130325062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > In article > > <Jason-2506071217400...@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools > > > Scientific truth is not a popularity contest. > > > The masses, on average, are not too bright. Do you want that kind of > > mediocre thinking foisted on our young? > > > Of course you do. And that's called thought control. > > I would much prefer the citizens of Ohio electing politicians that will do > what the citizens of Ohio want them to do related to education policy than > to have a group of unelected evolutionists deciding education policy. I don't want politicians to dictate what is taught in schools. That is what happens in dictatorships. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 1:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182828176.211047.202...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 9:05 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182816781.073818.317...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 26, 8:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of > > > course, > > > > > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > > > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science > (self-admitted) > > > > > > > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why > should the US > > > > > > > > give up religious freedom? > > > > > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the > people that > > > > > > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public > schools. I > > > > > > > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be > > > taught in > > > > > > > the public schools. > > > > > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > > > > > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > > > > > > outright. Their loss. > > > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > > > > > state school should quit. > > > > > Leaving you with no qualified teachers and an ignorant population. > > > > Which explains everything. > > > > > No teacher in good conscience knowingly "teaches" lies. > > > > You are assumming that most of the qualified teachers would leave. That > > > may or may not be true. They would lose their retirement pay. > > > To hell with retirement pay. I'd devote my time to a lawsuit against > > those who forced me to quit because they wanted me to lie to > > students. And I'd win. And there'd be thousands of teachers who > > would do likewise. They can't force teachers to lie to their > > students. It would be a violation of their constitutional rights. > > It's now easy for me to understand why the home schooling movement is > growing and the reason why so many large churches are now starting their > own Christian schools. Many of the rich people in this town send their > children to a Catholic prep school. I don't blame all of those parents for > giving up on the public school system. If ignorant parents home school their own children then their children will be just as ignorant as them and will be at a severe disadvantage. This is natural selection in action. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 2:08 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > csmonitor.com - The Christian Science Monitor Online Why do you never go to reputible sources and instead go to sources that you know full well will lie to you and tell you what you want to know? I guess it's because you're an idiot. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 2:57 pm, Martin <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 2:08 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > csmonitor.com - The Christian Science Monitor Online > > Why do you never go to reputible sources and instead go to sources > that you know full well will lie to you and tell you what you want to > know? I guess it's because you're an idiot. or rather "what you want to hear and believe" Martin Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:12:52 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <yAZfi.7126$n9.6168@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2406071818230001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article >> > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article >> >> <Jason-2306071116110001@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> > I want to make it legal for teachers >> >> > to teach ID >> >> >> >> But it is legal to do that... >> >> >> >> ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> >> >> >> So what's your problem? >> > >> > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of course, >> > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> >> Tell me Jason, just how would you propose teaching ID as science? Please be >> specific in your reply. > >Teachers and students would use the textbook "Of Pandas and People" which >has no Biblical content. And nothing that bears even an accidental resemblance to science, either. >Teachers would use the curriculum guide that >written by the proponents of ID. > Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:37:02 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:04:43 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in ><Jason-2506071104440001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <1182770555.111873.24200@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>> > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> > >>> > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>> > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >>> > >>> > > > > <snip article> >>> > >>> > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >>> > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >>> > > > > America was more like Iran. >>> > >>> > > > > - Bob T. >>> > >>> > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >>> > >>> > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious >>> > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim >>> > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would >>> > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on >>> > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. >>> > >>> > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, >>> > > including freedom from religion. >>> > >>> > > - Bob T. >>> > >>> > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take >>> > over the world--one country at a time. >>> >>> Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How >>> many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None. >>> How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years? >>> Two. >>> >>> If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by >>> facts, Jason. >>> >>> Martin >> > >>Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the >>leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from >>their countries--Bush would do it. > >Bush has already said he would not remove the troops. You are being lied >to by someone. > >>The Muslims from the middle east are in the process of taking over the >>Sudan. At present, they are committing genocide against the people in >>Darfur. Various experts are concerned that once they have total control >>over the Sudan--they will use the Sudan as a staging area to take over the >>surrounding African countries. You may want to google "genocide in Darfur" >>if you don't believe me. >>Jason >> >The Darfur war is Moslem against Moslem. Deal with reality. How do you expect Jason to deal with reality when he can't even recognize it? Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9aeh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2506071046360001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker >> ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> ... >> >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same God--please >> >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Mormon >> >> >> Mosque in the world? >> >> >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a >> >> Mormon mosque. <G> >> > >> >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. >> >> Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers >> that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you >> provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? > >Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > >Islam: Truth or Myth? start page > >Introduction to basic facts of history: > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far >back as 2000 BC. > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque >throughout the world: > > About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr >bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol >called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of >the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar >(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper >name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". >Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan >god as "al-ilah". > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began >promoting his new religion in 610 AD. > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name >"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the >Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is >derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism. > > Hubal the moon god of the Kabah > > Allah the moon god of the Kabah > >Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran > >Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah > >Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship > >Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. So Christians worship a wooden cross, then? > Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:35:28 -0000, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jun 26, 12:53 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <-tKdnU0ybesUHh3bnZ2dnUVZ_qfin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish >> >> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> > Jason wrote: >> >> > > Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? >> >> > That would be a good question for you to research with >> > Google or Wikipedia, and show us what you find. Traditions >> > are often fascinating. >> >> Here's the answer: >> >> >> > >Two questions in a row and no answer, Jason. How did you ever finish >kindergarten at this rate? Did your teachers just give you a pass? I recall from my school days the occasional hopeless case the teachers passed just to be rid of him. Perhaps Jason was one of those. > >Martin > >> > > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The >> >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far >> >> >back as 2000 BC. >> >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. >> >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. >> >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was >> >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may >> >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret >> >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque >> >> >throughout the world: Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:33:40 -0000, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jun 26, 9:27 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > >Why does a halo appear on the head of every saint in pictures? Why >does sun symbolism continue to the present day on robes, banners, >icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the >heart of Jesus, etc.? Who do priests bow and kiss a monstrance which >is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions? Why do >Christians go to church on Sunday when the old testament claimed that >Jesus would rise after three days, ie three days after Friday and >therefore on Monday? > >Answer the damn questions, Jason. Jason never gives a straight answer. But he's quick to object when others "fail to answer" his questions. > >Martin Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:00:42 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <hgn083dgbnu6f7r3cme0dga2qu8gkgf8b0@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:02:05 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2506071702050001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd09d@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:17:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> ... >> >> > >> >> >Overwhelming Support in Ohio For Teaching Both Sides of Evolution, Zogby >> >> >Poll Shows >> >> > >> >> >By: Staff >> >> >Discovery Institute >> >> >February 13, 2006 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >By more than a 3-to-1 margin, Ohio residents strongly support public >> >> >school teachers presenting both the evidence for evolution, as well as the >> >> >evidence challenging the theory, according to a new poll by Zogby >> >> >International released today. >> >> > >> >> > Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:27:29 -0700, johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: - Refer: <jhachmann-11065A.22272925062007@news.giganews.com> >In article <juOdnXAbp-cADOPbnZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@comcast.com>, > John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> > On 23 Jun., 20:09, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> (snip) >> >> Keep posting here long enough, and you will join their ranks. >> > >> > There is a good chance he will encourage other theists to become >> > atheists. One might suspect that he was hired by the EEC (which >> > doesn't exist of course) to pretend to be a theist. >> >> He works hard for the money. > >EEC? Evil Existentialist Conspiracy? I wonder if Jean-Paul Sartre knows >about it. Jean Paul is dead, you know... (So is his pig) -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:11:46 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: - Refer: <brp083lir4jiai74373r8h9kod0q1ae6sf@4ax.com> >On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:00:42 -0700, in alt.atheism >Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in ><Jason-2506071800420001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <hgn083dgbnu6f7r3cme0dga2qu8gkgf8b0@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >... >>> There is no science to teach about ID. The only thing we can conclude is >>> that science education has already been hobbled badly by anti-science >>> religious liars like you. >> >>Dictators in communist countries control school curriculum. In America, >>evolutionists control the science curriculum in schools. The opinions of >>the people that live in Ohio are of no concern to evolutionists. >> > >What a vile, immoral comparison you are making. > >You really do mock the God you claim to believe in. Jason has proven himself to be utterly vile and immoral, time and time again. He is a glowing advertisement for the effects of religious belief in general, and Christianity in particular. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:57:41 -0000, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: - Refer: <1182841061.572745.121310@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com> >On Jun 26, 2:08 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> csmonitor.com - The Christian Science Monitor Online > >Why do you never go to reputible sources and instead go to sources >that you know full well will lie to you and tell you what you want to >know? I guess it's because you're an idiot. .... and a deliberate LIAR. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:40:05 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: - Refer: <kbt08357nldje0mp9lmsqi7o8mue1kb18v@4ax.com> >On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:35:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > - Refer: <5ea5kqF37urqdU1@mid.individual.net> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>news:Jason-2406072131550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <1182738013.400195.243750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>> T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. >>>> > >>>> <snip article> >>>> >>>> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases >>>> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that >>>> America was more like Iran. >>>> >>>> - Bob T. >>> >>> Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians. >> >>Which sect? > >The Jasonites. Get up in the morning, slaving for head, sir So that'a every lout can be fed Poor - poor: the Jasonites. (With the most abject apologies to the estate of Desmond Dekker) And yes, I do know the real words: http://web.newsguy.com/MichaelGray/Audio/Me_Ears_are_Alight.mp3 -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:20:58 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: - Refer: <psm0835e9grq0h983tnmqph6kkdg8ll44t@4ax.com> >On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:39:12 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in ><Jason-2506071239120001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >>In article <1182799149.323449.320300@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >>T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >... >>> You haven't provided any evidence, only hearsay. Even if Ms. Prewitt >>> was indeed miraculously healed, how does she know that it was the >>> Christian God that healed her? If she had been born in India, she >>> would have claimed that Vishnu healed her. In fact, she has no idea >>> how she was healed. She attributes it to the Christian God because >>> she is a Christian. >> >>My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon what they >>already believe. >> >People have tried to explain to you again and again that you jumped to a >false conclusion. Your point is wrong. It is based on your biases and >lies. And not in that order, either. -- Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506072227160001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article > <DipthotDipthot-1DEF3B.19130325062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-2506071217400001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools >> >> Scientific truth is not a popularity contest. >> >> The masses, on average, are not too bright. Do you want that kind of >> mediocre thinking foisted on our young? >> >> Of course you do. And that's called thought control. > > I would much prefer the citizens of Ohio electing politicians that will do > what the citizens of Ohio want them to do related to education policy than > to have a group of unelected evolutionists deciding education policy. > jason Still prefer to remain scientifically illiterate, I see. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506072141500001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1182825539.614729.233910@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 8:29 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <m5l083tvho8aq1m7bplo13mv79ltbci...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > > So, aside from you huge ego, why do you claim that humans are >> > > special. >> > > The physical evidence shows otherwise. >> > >> > Because the Bible states that humans are special. >> >> So, aside from your huge ego, what possible reason do you have for >> believing anything in the Bible? You were asked before to find >> something -anything- in the Bible which is objectively true and you >> never answered (as usual). >> >> Martin > > Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. See if you can use that dictionary of yours to parse the phrase, "objectively true". Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. > > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize that > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when they die. > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize that > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to seeing my > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. > Jason Won't happen Jason. Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:04:24 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com (Jason) in <Jason-2506071804250001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: [snip] >No--but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding >school curriculum. And they do, in every state even. >In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and >evolution to be taught. I'll bite: what would the ID curriculum consist of? I guess that you have not actually followed the Ohio situation. The state did decide to teach ID and then ran into a serious problem: there is nothing to teach. Nothing . The Discovery Institute, the major promoters of ID, have said that they never meant for anyone to actually teach ID (even though they called for teaching ID for years), they want schools to "teach the controversy". It is an amusing idea: they have no content to present, but they want the schools to teach a controversy over that (non-existent) content. So, please, tell me what would actually get taught in an Intelligent Design course. I will help you get started: tell us what "Intelligent" means, tell us what "Design" means, tell us how to detect intelligence and design, tell us who the designers were, tell us when the designers acted, tell us what the designers did, tell us what tools the designers used, tell us something about the designers goals. That is, answer any of those questions or, at the very least, give us a clue on how someone would go about learning the answers to those questions. I am sorry, Jason, but there is no ID to teach. -- Matt Silberstein Do something today about the Darfur Genocide http://www.beawitness.org http://www.darfurgenocide.org http://www.savedarfur.org "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop" Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:01:43 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com (Jason) in <Jason-2506071801440001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: [snip] >I don't consider ID to be a lie. Ok. So tell us what ID means and tell us something about the designers. Tell us how ID is not just creationism with the identity of the designers kept hidden. -- Matt Silberstein Do something today about the Darfur Genocide http://www.beawitness.org http://www.darfurgenocide.org http://www.savedarfur.org "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop" Quote
Guest James Burns Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Jason wrote: > [in response to <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd09d@4ax.com>, > Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> ] > > So 68% of the people in Ohio want teachers to teach Evolution > and ID. However, evolutionists want to control what teachers > are able to teach. Unlike you, I believe the people that live > in Ohio should be allowed to have a voice in deciding school > curriculum. That 68% live under a constitution that protects the minority from the majority. This includes protection from having anyone's religion shoved down their throats by the government. Teaching your Biblical literalism as though it were science in a government-mandated class qualifies absolutely as "shoving your religion down my children's throat". This is true not just for non-Christians, but for all the Christians who are /not/ Biblical literalists. But you know this, Jason. You /show/ that you know this because you do NOT argue against evolution by using the constitutional argument -- which is a much stronger argument, if you can swing it. Why did our Founders add the First Amendment to the US Constitution? Because they saw the devastation brought by the wars over established churches in Europe. Is that devastation what you want for the United States? I don't know about you specifically, Jason, but some of your fellow Creationists are hoping for the End Times; war and destruction is a sign that Christ is coming, for them. What percentage of Ohioans would want Intelligent Design taught in their classrooms if they knew it was part of a plan to give Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death free rein in Ohio? Jim Burns Quote
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