Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On 26 Jun., 20:34, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182871741.750936.67...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 01:05, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182811351.557959.227...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun., 06:51, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory. > > > > > > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of > > > > > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a > > > > > > dictionary. > > > > > > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary..... > > > > > > > And you still don't get it. > > > > > > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose? > > > > > > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of > > > > > National Geographic: > > > > > > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY... > > > > > Yes, the theories that explain the fact of evolution, just like the > > > > theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. You do understand > > > > that, don't you? Too bad you are too dishonest and cowardly to stop > > > > lying about it. > > > > I re-read the article related to evolution that was published in the > > > Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic. The author of the article made it > > > clear that evolution was a theory. > > > > He made this statement on page 8: > > > > "Evolution is both a beautiful concept and an important one, more crucial > > > nowadays to human welfare, to medical science, and to our understanding of > > > the world than ever before. It's also deeply persuasive--a theory you can > > > take to the bank...." > > > > Various members of this newsgroup appear to believe that evolution is a > > > fact but the author of the article that was printed in National Geographic > > > disagrees with you. > > > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > No he doesn't, but no amount of explanation will get you to see it. > > It is a theory; the theory that explains the fact. Equivocation is a > > favorite, dishonest tactic used by trolls like you. > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory explains the > facts that are backed up with evidence.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2606071314370001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <J1egi.15745$19.7282@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2606071137190001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4666@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >> >> > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them >> >> >> >> >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society >> >> >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing >> >> >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that >> >> >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as >> >> >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. >> >> > >> >> > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize >> >> > that >> >> > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when >> >> > they >> >> > die. >> >> > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize >> >> > that >> >> > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to >> >> > seeing >> >> > my >> >> > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. >> >> > Jason >> >> >> >> Won't happen Jason. >> > >> > I disagree. >> >> You can disagree all you want, it still isn't going to happen. The >> concept >> of heaven and hell is another logical reason not to believe the bible. > > We will both know for sure on the day that we die. > > What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this > one: > > I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven? > > Jason Let's see Jason, we can tell them a lie or we can tell them the truth. Where would they get the idea that heaven was an option? From people just like you. I would let people like you explain to them that the concept of heaven was a lie and that when you die that is the end. If Christians truly believed in heaven they would rejoice and celebrate when someone died. Instead they are devastated, just like us poor old atheists. Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On 26 Jun., 20:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182874101.911955.323...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 02:25, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182814064.453751.298...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > snip > > > > > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon > what they > > > > > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > Since there was no evidence to reject, you have no point. There was > > > > hearsay testimony. How could the doctor or the person cured possibly > > > > know it was a miracle. This has been asked in various ways repeated, > > > > and you are still ignoring it. > > > > I understand your question. The doctor knew that William Kent had been in > > > a wheel chair for several years. The doctor had X-Rays and medical records > > > related to the reason William Kent was disabled. That same doctor heard > > > Willam Kent's testimony related to his healing. That doctor examined > > > William Kent and determined that he was no longer disabled and could walk > > > normally. The doctor believed the testimony of William Kent related to the > > > healing. Can William Kent or the doctor provide PROOF that God healed > > > William Kent that would satisfy athiests? The answer is NO. Can Willam > > > Kent and his doctor provide testimonies and statements that will convince > > > other Christians and myself that William Kent was healed? The answer is > > > Yes. Atheists do not believe the testimony of William Kent because of > > > their belief system. > > > You have been told why we do not believe the testimony, which means > > the above is a lie. > > > >Many Christians will believe the testimony of William > > > Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will understand my > > > point.- > > > Your point is that you have no evidence and you lie about it, making > > it worse by accusing atheists of being as dishonest as you. > > Your belief system causes you to reject or not believe the testimonies of > those people. And you repeat your lie about my motivations. >My belief system causes me to accept and believe the > testimonies.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 1:14 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <J1egi.15745$19.7...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2606071137190001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >>news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > >> > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > >> > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> Jason wrote: > > >> >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > > > >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society > > >> >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing > > >> >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that > > >> >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as > > >> >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. > > > >> > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize > > >> > that > > >> > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when they > > >> > die. > > >> > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize > > >> > that > > >> > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to seeing > > >> > my > > >> > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. > > >> > Jason > > > >> Won't happen Jason. > > > > I disagree. > > > You can disagree all you want, it still isn't going to happen. The concept > > of heaven and hell is another logical reason not to believe the bible. > > We will both know for sure on the day that we die. > > What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this one: > > I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven? I really miss Grandma, too, and I wish she were still alive. There is no such place as "Heaven". I'm afraid that Grandma is gone forever. It may be sad, but it's the truth. Why should I lie to my children? Even if you believe in Heaven, you're lying if you assure your child that Grandma is in Heaven - for all you know, she's suffering eternal torture in Hell. - Bob T. > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 1:22 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182888250.489184.198...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 03:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <K3Zfi.7097$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > > >news:Jason-2506071704090001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > > > In article > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > In article > > > > >> > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > >> > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > >> > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > >> > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > >> > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > >> > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of > > > > >> > > > course, > > > > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > >> > > Why should a person with no understanding of science > (self-admitted) > > > > >> > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should > the US > > > > >> > > give up religious freedom? > > > > > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the > people that > > > > >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public > schools. > > > > >> > I > > > > >> > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should > be taught > > > > >> > in > > > > >> > the public schools. > > > > > >> What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > > > > >> flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > > > > >> outright. Their loss. > > > > > >> Martin > > > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > > > > > state school should quit. > > > > > You side-stepped the issue Jason, do we let the public dictate what > science > > > > is correct?? Take you Jason, you are what is known as a scientific > > > > illiterate. Do we let you and people like you, chose the science > curriculum? > > > > No-- > > > In that case what you say below must be wrong. > > > >but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding > > > school curriculum. In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and > > > evolution to be taught.- > > > And you just agreed that people ignorant of science should not > > determine the science curriculum. > > I doubt that most judges are experts related to science. I believe that > elected representatives should determine education policy--not unelected > evolutionists. Its my opinion that evoltionists do not want ID to be > taught since they are concerned the children would realize that ID makes > more sense than evolution. <snicker> Intelligent Design is a superstition - nobody is afraid that it makes any sense at all. We don't want Intelligent Design taught in public schools for two reasons: 1) It is religion, not science. 2) It's a lie. - Bob T. Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On 26 Jun., 20:46, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182873694.135711.325...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >snip > > > > I did not state that Christian Arabs are not really Christians. Christian > > > Arabs are really Christians even if they call God by the name of Allah.- = > > Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > Good, you admit your entire argument has been invalid. > > Not true--The Christians Arabs will eventually understand (as a result of > reading their Bibles) that God is vastly different than the moon > god-- Eventually understand? They do not believe in any moon god now. >which is a false God. If those Arabs call God "Allah" instead of > Jehovah or Yahweh--that is not a problem.- And that would be because the god they believe in is the same as Allah, Jehovah, God, Gud, etc. Once again, thank you for admitting your entire argument is invalid, that it is not the name used but what is believed about the deity that matters. The fact that the word Easter is derived from pagan religions also does not mean Christians believers in fertility goddesses. Of course all of this also points out to all the copying and adapting that has occurred between religions. Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:22:05 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >Jason wrote: >> In article <f5j6ba$k7k$4@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> >>> Jason wrote: >>>> In article <1182564249.084179.188880@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>>> <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jun 23, 9:27 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>> In article <1182560736.318058.6...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>>>>> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Why do you not consider THEIR book to be evidence supporting their >>>>>>> beliefs. >>>>>> Their book (the Quran) does support their beliefs. I am stating that I >>>>>> believe Allah is a false God. >>>>> I see. So religious scripture is not evidence, or at least not >>>>> convincing evidence. Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Martin >>>> It is evidence in some cases. >>> And how do you decide in which cases it is evidence and in which cases >>> it's not? <PIGGYBACKING> >> >> My religious scripture (and only the part of that I agree with) >> is "evidence." No it isn't. >>All other religious scripture (as well as the parts of >> the bible that I don't like) is NOT evidence. Got it this time? Free clue, Sunshine. Either the Bible is the word of your god or it isn't. If it isn't, none of it matters. If it is , you don't get to pick and choose the parts you feel like believing in. > >Oh, I already knew that you pick and chose what you like out of the >bible with no regard as to accuracy, consistency or logic; I just wanted >to see you admit to it. A salad bar fundy. Who'da thought? <G> Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:37:19 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4666@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >> > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them >> >> >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society >> >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing >> >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that >> >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as >> >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. >> > >> > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize that >> > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when they die. >> > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize that >> > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to seeing my >> > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. >> > Jason >> >> Won't happen Jason. > >I disagree. Even if Heaven exists, God hates liars, so you won't be going there. > Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:22:01 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <1182888250.489184.198890@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 26 Jun., 03:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <K3Zfi.7097$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-2506071704090001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >Martin >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> > > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> > > > In article >> > > >> > > > ><DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > In article >> > > >> > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > >> > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > > >> > > > > > to teach ID >> > >> > > >> > > > > But it is legal to do that... >> > >> > > >> > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> > >> > > >> > > > > So what's your problem? >> > >> > > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of >> > > >> > > > course, >> > > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> > >> > > >> > > Why should a person with no understanding of science >(self-admitted) >> > > >> > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should >the US >> > > >> > > give up religious freedom? >> > >> > > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the >people that >> > > >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public >schools. >> > > >> > I >> > > >> > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should >be taught >> > > >> > in >> > > >> > the public schools. >> > >> > > >> What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was >> > > >> flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit >> > > >> outright. Their loss. >> > >> > > >> Martin >> > >> > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a >> > > > state school should quit. >> > >> > > You side-stepped the issue Jason, do we let the public dictate what >science >> > > is correct?? Take you Jason, you are what is known as a scientific >> > > illiterate. Do we let you and people like you, chose the science >curriculum? >> > >> > No-- >> >> In that case what you say below must be wrong. >> >> >but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding >> > school curriculum. In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and >> > evolution to be taught.- >> >> And you just agreed that people ignorant of science should not >> determine the science curriculum. > >I doubt that most judges are experts related to science. I believe that >elected representatives should determine education policy--not unelected >evolutionists. Its my opinion that evoltionists do not want ID to be >taught since they are concerned the children would realize that ID makes >more sense than evolution. "I don't believe/don't understand how this could have just happened, so God must have done it." Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. Moron. > Quote
Guest johac Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <tek18316i2mhth82knk2v55fhlmp24i15m@4ax.com>, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:27:29 -0700, johac > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > - Refer: <jhachmann-11065A.22272925062007@news.giganews.com> > >In article <juOdnXAbp-cADOPbnZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@comcast.com>, > > John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > > > >> gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > On 23 Jun., 20:09, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > >> (snip) > >> >> Keep posting here long enough, and you will join their ranks. > >> > > >> > There is a good chance he will encourage other theists to become > >> > atheists. One might suspect that he was hired by the EEC (which > >> > doesn't exist of course) to pretend to be a theist. > >> > >> He works hard for the money. > > > >EEC? Evil Existentialist Conspiracy? I wonder if Jean-Paul Sartre knows > >about it. > > Jean Paul is dead, you know... > (So is his pig) > So I guess he doesn't know about it. (Neither does the pig.) -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest johac Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > snip > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > > > > What makes your god the "true" one? > > Books have been written on that subject. I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus is the true god? -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <L3fgi.43$K9.29@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2606071314370001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <J1egi.15745$19.7282@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2606071137190001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4666@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> >> > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > >> >> > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >> >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society > >> >> >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing > >> >> >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that > >> >> >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as > >> >> >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. > >> >> > > >> >> > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize > >> >> > that > >> >> > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when > >> >> > they > >> >> > die. > >> >> > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize > >> >> > that > >> >> > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to > >> >> > seeing > >> >> > my > >> >> > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. > >> >> > Jason > >> >> > >> >> Won't happen Jason. > >> > > >> > I disagree. > >> > >> You can disagree all you want, it still isn't going to happen. The > >> concept > >> of heaven and hell is another logical reason not to believe the bible. > > > > We will both know for sure on the day that we die. > > > > What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this > > one: > > > > I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven? > > > > Jason > > Let's see Jason, we can tell them a lie or we can tell them the truth. Where > would they get the idea that heaven was an option? From people just like > you. I would let people like you explain to them that the concept of heaven > was a lie and that when you die that is the end. > > If Christians truly believed in heaven they would rejoice and celebrate when > someone died. Instead they are devastated, just like us poor old atheists. Of course, I don't think lies are involved when children are told about heaven. I would tell the child that her Grandma was in heaven. People are sad when people die because they will miss the person that died. Many small children get sad when their mother and/or father go to work each day for that same reason. It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her grandmother was lying in a casket buried in the dirt. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182892095.064389.276730@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 26 Jun., 20:46, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182873694.135711.325...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >snip > > > > > > > I did not state that Christian Arabs are not really Christians. Christian > > > > Arabs are really Christians even if they call God by the name of Allah.- = > > > Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > Good, you admit your entire argument has been invalid. > > > > Not true--The Christians Arabs will eventually understand (as a result of > > reading their Bibles) that God is vastly different than the moon > > god-- > > Eventually understand? They do not believe in any moon god now. The Quran indicates that the moon god is unknowable. The moon God is so exalted that no man can ever personally know Allah. In his book that is entitled, "Jesus and Muhammad, Mark Gabriel, a former devout Muslim, says: "If you ask a Muslim, Do you how much Allah loves your? he will respond, 'I don't know how much he loves me. Only Allah knows.' Mark tells the story about a famous bumper sticker that is placed on the cars and shops of former Muslims that are now Christians--the bumper sticker states: "Allah Mahabe" which means "God is Love". Those words are NEVER put together in the Quran. He never understood the meaning of the bumper sticker until after he became a Christian. In other words, Muslims that become Christians eventually understand as a result of reading the Holy Bible that the true God is vastly different than the God mentioned in the Quran. > > >which is a false God. If those Arabs call God "Allah" instead of > > Jehovah or Yahweh--that is not a problem.- > > And that would be because the god they believe in is the same as > Allah, Jehovah, God, Gud, etc. Once again, thank you for admitting > your entire argument is invalid, that it is not the name used but what > is believed about the deity that matters. The fact that the word > Easter is derived from pagan religions also does not mean Christians > believers in fertility goddesses. Of course all of this also points > out to all the copying and adapting that has occurred between > religions. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182891648.167209.177890@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 1:14 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <J1egi.15745$19.7...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >news:Jason-2606071137190001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > >> > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > >> > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> Jason wrote: > > > >> >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > > > > > >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society > > > >> >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing > > > >> >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that > > > >> >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as > > > >> >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. > > > > > >> > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize > > > >> > that > > > >> > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when they > > > >> > die. > > > >> > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize > > > >> > that > > > >> > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to seeing > > > >> > my > > > >> > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. > > > >> > Jason > > > > > >> Won't happen Jason. > > > > > > I disagree. > > > > > You can disagree all you want, it still isn't going to happen. The concept > > > of heaven and hell is another logical reason not to believe the bible. > > > > We will both know for sure on the day that we die. > > > > What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this one: > > > > I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven? > > I really miss Grandma, too, and I wish she were still alive. There is > no such place as "Heaven". I'm afraid that Grandma is gone forever. > > It may be sad, but it's the truth. Why should I lie to my children? > > Even if you believe in Heaven, you're lying if you assure your child > that Grandma is in Heaven - for all you know, she's suffering eternal > torture in Hell. > > - Bob T. Thanks for your post. > > > > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182891430.834265.109900@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 26 Jun., 20:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182874101.911955.323...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 26 Jun., 02:25, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182814064.453751.298...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com= > >, "Bob > > > snip > > > > > > > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon > > what they > > > > > > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > Since there was no evidence to reject, you have no point. There was > > > > > hearsay testimony. How could the doctor or the person cured possib= > ly > > > > > know it was a miracle. This has been asked in various ways repeate= > d, > > > > > and you are still ignoring it. > > > > > > I understand your question. The doctor knew that William Kent had bee= > n in > > > > a wheel chair for several years. The doctor had X-Rays and medical re= > cords > > > > related to the reason William Kent was disabled. That same doctor hea= > rd > > > > Willam Kent's testimony related to his healing. That doctor examined > > > > William Kent and determined that he was no longer disabled and could = > walk > > > > normally. The doctor believed the testimony of William Kent related t= > o the > > > > healing. Can William Kent or the doctor provide PROOF that God healed > > > > William Kent that would satisfy athiests? The answer is NO. Can Willam > > > > Kent and his doctor provide testimonies and statements that will conv= > ince > > > > other Christians and myself that William Kent was healed? The answer = > is > > > > Yes. Atheists do not believe the testimony of William Kent because of > > > > their belief system. > > > > > You have been told why we do not believe the testimony, which means > > > the above is a lie. > > > > > >Many Christians will believe the testimony of William > > > > Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will understan= > d my > > > > point.- > > > > > Your point is that you have no evidence and you lie about it, making > > > it worse by accusing atheists of being as dishonest as you. > > > > Your belief system causes you to reject or not believe the testimonies of > > those people. > > And you repeat your lie about my motivations. > > >My belief system causes me to accept and believe the > > testimonies.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > Since I have no belief system, I require evidence. Continue with your > delibrately insulting lies if they amuse you; they change nothing. You are the first adult person that has ever told me that they have no belief system. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 > >I doubt that most judges are experts related to science. > > Right, that is why both sides have expert witnesses. > > >I believe that > >elected representatives should determine education policy--not unelected > >evolutionists. > > You misspelled judge yet again. > > >Its my opinion that evoltionists do not want ID to be > >taught since they are concerned the children would realize that ID makes > >more sense than evolution. > > Your opinion does not outweigh facts. I don't want ID taught because > it is either very bad science or religious teachings and I don't want > either of those in the public schools. I don't think that any school > should teach bad science, but private schools do have some freedom. > > You really should read the Dover decision. You may well be concerned > about learning something about the topic, but publicizing ignorance is > even worse. Matt, I am not an excellent writer. This person makes my points much better than I could make them: I found this article by conducting a google search for "Judicial Fiat" July, 2003 "Judicial Fiat" Every clear-headed Christian/American should be righteously angry over those federal court rulings that create law rather than interpret law. The most recent ruling by a federal judge to remove the Ten Commandments from school grounds at West Union, Peebles, North Adams, and Manchester High Schools in Ohio is a clear example of "legislation by mandate" (or fiat) by a single judge against the will of the democratic majority. I'm as capable as any judge to read and understand the Constitution of the United States and nowhere in that document are there any such words as "separation of church and state." Nowhere! The truth is, the Constitution under Article I section 1 says: "All legislative powers here-in granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." Clearly those judges who mandate or make new law are in violation of Article I and should be impeached, tried and convicted of high crimes. Also, the first Amendment (Bill of Rights) says, "Congress shall make no law respecting on establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182891746.452265.52720@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 1:22 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182888250.489184.198...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 26 Jun., 03:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <K3Zfi.7097$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:Jason-2506071704090001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> > > > In article > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > In article > > > > > >> > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > > > > >> > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > >> > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > >> > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > >> > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > >> > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of > > > > > >> > > > course, > > > > > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > > > >> > > Why should a person with no understanding of science > > (self-admitted) > > > > > >> > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should > > the US > > > > > >> > > give up religious freedom? > > > > > > > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the > > people that > > > > > >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public > > schools. > > > > > >> > I > > > > > >> > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should > > be taught > > > > > >> > in > > > > > >> > the public schools. > > > > > > > >> What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > > > > > >> flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > > > > > >> outright. Their loss. > > > > > > > >> Martin > > > > > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > > > > > > state school should quit. > > > > > > > You side-stepped the issue Jason, do we let the public dictate what > > science > > > > > is correct?? Take you Jason, you are what is known as a scientific > > > > > illiterate. Do we let you and people like you, chose the science > > curriculum? > > > > > > No-- > > > > > In that case what you say below must be wrong. > > > > > >but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding > > > > school curriculum. In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and > > > > evolution to be taught.- > > > > > And you just agreed that people ignorant of science should not > > > determine the science curriculum. > > > > I doubt that most judges are experts related to science. I believe that > > elected representatives should determine education policy--not unelected > > evolutionists. Its my opinion that evoltionists do not want ID to be > > taught since they are concerned the children would realize that ID makes > > more sense than evolution. > > <snicker> Intelligent Design is a superstition - nobody is afraid > that it makes any sense at all. > > We don't want Intelligent Design taught in public schools for two > reasons: > > 1) It is religion, not science. > > 2) It's a lie. > > - Bob T. See my response to Matt Quote
Guest John Popelish Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Jason wrote: > It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the > child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her grandmother was > lying in a casket buried in the dirt. It also seems that the child would be even more comforted with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to be adults with poorly developed minds. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 In article <1182890874.445300.325940@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 26 Jun., 20:10, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1182873615.385634.169...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 26 Jun., 02:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Ma= > rtin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodig= > y=2Ene=3D > > > t>, > > > > > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.ne= > t>, > > > > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > > > > > > > > > > to teach ID > > > > > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... > > > > > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > So what's your problem? > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. O= > f co=3D > > > urse, > > > > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > > > > > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science (self-admi= > tted) > > > > > > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why should t= > he US > > > > > > > give up religious freedom? > > > > > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people= > that > > > > > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public sch= > ools=3D > > > . I > > > > > > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be = > taug=3D > > > ht in > > > > > > the public schools. > > > > > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was > > > > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit > > > > > outright. Their loss. > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a > > > > state school should quit.- Skjul tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > I didn't think you would answer the question. Apparently you are > > > afraid of it just like all the others you ignore. > > > > I did provide an answer--perhaps you were not satisfied with my > > answer--but I did provide an answer.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > The question was whether or not teachers should go along with teaching > that the Earth is flat if the majority wanted that taught. You did > not address that question at all. It is amazing how you lie about > what everybody can see. One reason I did not respond is because that would never happen. Is the correct term for this: non sequitur? Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Jun 26, 4:11 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <L3fgi.43$K9...@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2606071314370001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <J1egi.15745$19.7...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >>news:Jason-2606071137190001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > >> > In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > >> >> > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > >> >> > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> Jason wrote: > > >> >> >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them > > > >> >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society > > >> >> >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing > > >> >> >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that > > >> >> >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as > > >> >> >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society. > > > >> >> > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when > > >> >> > they > > >> >> > die. > > >> >> > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize > > >> >> > that > > >> >> > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to > > >> >> > seeing > > >> >> > my > > >> >> > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven. > > >> >> > Jason > > > >> >> Won't happen Jason. > > > >> > I disagree. > > > >> You can disagree all you want, it still isn't going to happen. The > > >> concept > > >> of heaven and hell is another logical reason not to believe the bible. > > > > We will both know for sure on the day that we die. > > > > What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this > > > one: > > > > I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven? > > > > Jason > > > Let's see Jason, we can tell them a lie or we can tell them the truth. Where > > would they get the idea that heaven was an option? From people just like > > you. I would let people like you explain to them that the concept of heaven > > was a lie and that when you die that is the end. > > > If Christians truly believed in heaven they would rejoice and celebrate when > > someone died. Instead they are devastated, just like us poor old atheists. > > Of course, I don't think lies are involved when children are told about > heaven. I would tell the child that her Grandma was in heaven. People are > sad when people die because they will miss the person that died. Many > small children get sad when their mother and/or father go to work each day > for that same reason. > > It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the > child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her grandmother was > lying in a casket buried in the dirt. The child would also be more comforted if she was told that her grandmother was in Paris - but it would still be a lie. - Bob T. > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:36:57 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com (Jason) in <Jason-2606071636570001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > >> >I doubt that most judges are experts related to science. >> >> Right, that is why both sides have expert witnesses. >> >> >I believe that >> >elected representatives should determine education policy--not unelected >> >evolutionists. >> >> You misspelled judge yet again. >> >> >Its my opinion that evoltionists do not want ID to be >> >taught since they are concerned the children would realize that ID makes >> >more sense than evolution. >> >> Your opinion does not outweigh facts. I don't want ID taught because >> it is either very bad science or religious teachings and I don't want >> either of those in the public schools. I don't think that any school >> should teach bad science, but private schools do have some freedom. >> >> You really should read the Dover decision. You may well be concerned >> about learning something about the topic, but publicizing ignorance is >> even worse. > >Matt, >I am not an excellent writer. This person makes my points much better than >I could make them: Your issue is not writing, your problem is that you don't know the law. You did not even know that Federal judges were appointed rather than elected. >I found this article by conducting a google search for "Judicial Fiat" > > July, 2003 >"Judicial Fiat" > >Every clear-headed Christian/American should be righteously angry over >those federal court rulings that create law rather than interpret law. > >The most recent ruling by a federal judge to remove the Ten Commandments Which version did they use? Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish? >from school grounds at West Union, Peebles, North Adams, and Manchester >High Schools in Ohio is a clear example of "legislation by mandate" (or >fiat) by a single judge against the will of the democratic majority. Nothing to do with the creationism. >I'm as capable as any judge to read and understand the Constitution of the >United States and nowhere in that document are there any such words as >"separation of church and state." Nowhere! Wow, as capable as any judge. I thought that humility was a Christian virtue. And it is too bad that the judges in those cases did not claim that the Constitution has the phrase "separation of church and state". It does have the Establishment Clause, however. >The truth is, the Constitution under Article I section 1 says: "All >legislative powers here-in granted shall be vested in a Congress of the >United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of >Representatives." Clearly those judges who mandate or make new law are in >violation of Article I and should be impeached, tried and convicted of >high crimes. ROTFOLMAO. It is too bad that they did not make any laws. That arrogance thing is showing again. >Also, the first Amendment (Bill of Rights) says, "Congress shall make no >law respecting on establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free >exercise thereof Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 > >People like yourself seem to have no regard for the wishes of the people > >that live in Ohio and various other states. Over 60 percent of the > >citizens of Ohio wanted Evolution and ID to be taught. > Do they have any idea what to teach about ID? Do you? Don't give me a > hand wave about the Discovery Institute, tell me what there is to > teach about ID. > > Oh, wait, that's right, you agree with the judge that ID is > creationism and you want the government to promote your religion. I would prefer that laws be made by legislators that are elected by people than be made as a result of "legislation my mandate (judicial fiat). In the Dover case, that state law was made by judicial fiat instead of by the legislators that were elected by the citizens of Ohio. Yes, the proper term was probably something like "judicial ruling" or "court decision". However, in my opinion it was a law made by judicial fiat. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the > > child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her grandmother was > > lying in a casket buried in the dirt. > > It also seems that the child would be even more comforted > with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise > children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to > be adults with poorly developed minds. You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the child that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the casket that was buried in the dirt. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:58:27 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606071058280001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <46811A14.2050701@osu.edu>, James Burns <burns.87@osu.edu> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > [in response to <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd09d@4ax.com>, >> > Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> ] >> > >> > So 68% of the people in Ohio want teachers to teach Evolution >> > and ID. However, evolutionists want to control what teachers >> > are able to teach. Unlike you, I believe the people that live >> > in Ohio should be allowed to have a voice in deciding school >> > curriculum. >> >> That 68% live under a constitution that protects the minority >> from the majority. This includes protection from having >> anyone's religion shoved down their throats by the government. >> >> Teaching your Biblical literalism as though it were science >> in a government-mandated class qualifies absolutely as >> "shoving your religion down my children's throat". This >> is true not just for non-Christians, but for all the Christians >> who are /not/ Biblical literalists. >> >> >> But you know this, Jason. You /show/ that you know this because >> you do NOT argue against evolution by using the constitutional >> argument -- which is a much stronger argument, if you can >> swing it. >> >> Why did our Founders add the First Amendment to the US >> Constitution? Because they saw the devastation brought >> by the wars over established churches in Europe. Is that >> devastation what you want for the United States? I don't >> know about you specifically, Jason, but some of your >> fellow Creationists are hoping for the End Times; war and >> destruction is a sign that Christ is coming, for them. >> >> What percentage of Ohioans would want Intelligent >> Design taught in their classrooms if they knew it >> was part of a plan to give Pestilence, War, Famine, and >> Death free rein in Ohio? >> >> Jim Burns > >If ID was taught in every biology class in America, none of those things >would happen. Thousands of children in each state learn about ID in >Christian schools and as part of home schooling programs. The graduates >don't cause pestilence, war, famine and death. You are paranoid about >nothing. Stalin was an atheist and he killed millions of people. >jason You should look at Stalin's history when he was growing up in a Christian household, being beaten by his dad and sent away to a seminary to become a priest. Do you have some evidence that his Christian upbringing didn't make him into the evil man he was? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:37:45 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2506072237450001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182828176.211047.202990@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 9:05 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182816781.073818.317...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 26, 8:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >Martin >> > >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > > On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > In article <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >> > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> > > > > > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > > > > > > In article >> > > > > > > > ><DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > > > > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > In article >> > > > > > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > > > > > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > > > > > > > > > to teach ID >> > >> > > > > > > > > But it is legal to do that... >> > >> > > > > > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> > >> > > > > > > > > So what's your problem? >> > >> > > > > > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of >> > course, >> > > > > > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> > >> > > > > > > Why should a person with no understanding of science >(self-admitted) >> > > > > > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why >should the US >> > > > > > > give up religious freedom? >> > >> > > > > > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the >people that >> > > > > > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public >schools. I >> > > > > > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects should be >> > taught in >> > > > > > the public schools. >> > >> > > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was >> > > > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit >> > > > > outright. Their loss. >> > >> > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a >> > > > state school should quit. >> > >> > > Leaving you with no qualified teachers and an ignorant population. >> > > Which explains everything. >> > >> > > No teacher in good conscience knowingly "teaches" lies. >> > >> > You are assumming that most of the qualified teachers would leave. That >> > may or may not be true. They would lose their retirement pay. >> >> To hell with retirement pay. I'd devote my time to a lawsuit against >> those who forced me to quit because they wanted me to lie to >> students. And I'd win. And there'd be thousands of teachers who >> would do likewise. They can't force teachers to lie to their >> students. It would be a violation of their constitution rights. >> >> Martin > >It's now easy for me to understand why the home schooling movement is >growing and the reason why so many large churches are now starting their >own Christian schools. Many of the rich people in this town send their >children to a Catholic prep school. I don't blame all of those parents for >giving up on the public school system. >Jason > Catholics don't accept your anti-science heresies. Quote
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