Guest Free Lunch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:00:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606071800540001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <94d3831grleibf822h2qbv62bcl55gjpmc@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:16:46 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2606071316460001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <1182887737.836228.164980@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, >> >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> > >> >> On 26 Jun., 02:57, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> > >> >> > snip >> >> >> >> > Martin, >> >> > I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the tradition that >> >> > Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find >out the >> >> > reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday. >> >> > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> >> > >> >> >> >> And, according to your "logic", Christians must be pagans, since the >> >> word "Easter" comes from the name of a pagan goddess. >> > >> >This is from Wikipedia: >> > >> >Easter, the Sunday of the Resurrection, Pascha, or Resurrection Day, is >> >the most important religious feast of the Christian liturgical year, >> >observed at some point between late March and late April each year (early >> >April to early May in Eastern Christianity), following the cycle of the >> >moon. It celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, which Christians believe >> >occurred on the third day of his death by crucifixion some time in the >> >period AD 27 to 33. Easter also refers to the season of the church year, >> >called Eastertide or the Easter Season. Traditionally the Easter Season >> >lasted for the forty days from Easter Day until Ascension Day but now >> >officially lasts for the fifty days until Pentecost. The first week of the >> >Easter Season is known as Easter Week or the Octave of Easter. >> > >> >Today many families celebrate Easter in a completely secular way, as a >> >non-religious holiday. >> > >> But the _name_ was still adopted from a secular fertility festival. > >Have you noticed that there are no more posts from people trying to >convince me that Jesus rose from the dead on Monday? > That was completely off the way. Yes, the Bible itself says that Jesus did not stay dead for three days. So, tell me, what did Jesus predict? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <1182906877.862471.110030@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > On Jun 26, 5:52 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <Fiigi.120$ca...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > > > > > > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > <snipped for brevity> > > > ">> It was a Republican judge, nominated by Bush, that ruled in the Dover > > > >> case. > > > > > >> >For example, in the state of Ohio, the wishes of > > > >> >the people were not taken into consideration by the evolutionists. > > > > > >> You keep confusing "court" with "evolutionist". And in Ohio the > > > >> problem was that there is no ID curriculum to teach. Have you checked > > > >> the Discovery Institute yet on this? > > > > > >> >I don't > > > >> >know whether or not the judge took the wishes of the people or their > > > >> >elected representatives into consideration prior to his decision--I > > > >> >doubt > > > >> >it--but am only guessing. > > > > > >> You really should try to learn something about the law rather than > > > >> guessing. Judges take things like the Constitution into account, not > > > >> votes. Some of us like the Constitution. Why do you hate America? > > > > > > I don't hate America. People like yourself appear to me to want judges to > > > > determine the education policy in the various states. Was the judge in > > > > that Dover case elected or appointed? > > > > > > I would prefer that the elected representives determine school policy and > > > > not judges or evolutionists. > > > > > > People like yourself seem to have no regard for the wishes of the people > > > > that live in Ohio and various other states. Over 60 percent of the > > > > citizens of Ohio wanted Evolution and ID to be taught. > > > > > Scientists will determine what courses will be considered as science. Do you > > > think people like you are qualified to do this? > > > > Sorry--I was under the impression that school boards and the state > > sectratary of education made decisions as to what courses should be > > taught. > > Within limits - public schools are not allowed to preach religion to > children. If you lived in a town where the majority of the population > was Muslim, and the school board decided that the children should bow > down to Mecca in school, would you think that was OK? How about if > the majority were pagan? I just came across this link about school > prayer on another newsgroup: > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828 That is an excellent point. I would write or call the members of the school board. I would vote against them if they approved those sorts of things. > > "Intelligent Design" is not science - it is religion wearing a very > thin disguise. That is why it is not allowed to be taught in public > school. > > - Bob T. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:02:02 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606071802020001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <d6d383tpv8ln55bk4g3lp588704ta04oa1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:50:05 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2506072150060001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <m6r083hfa4oebpf4a56skimde32a9itmd5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:34 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-2506071827340001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <mip083tkkqhcp757tku7i60mga5nmhp6tr@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> <Jason-2506071749490001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9aeh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> >> >> <Jason-2506071046360001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >> >> >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker >> >> >> >> ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same >> >> >God--please >> >> >> >> >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of >> >> >every Mormon >> >> >> >> >> >> Mosque in the world? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a >> >> >> >> >> Mormon mosque. <G> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers >> >> >> >> that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you >> >> >> >> provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Hubal and Allah the Moon God? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Islam: Truth or Myth? start page >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Introduction to basic facts of history: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The >> >> >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon >worship as far >> >> >> >back as 2000 BC. >> >> >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. >> >> >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. >> >> >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god >Hubal was >> >> >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. >This may >> >> >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every >minaret >> >> >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque >> >> >> >throughout the world: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr >> >> >> >bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol >> >> >> >called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief >deities of >> >> >> >the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz >Ghulam Sarwar >> >> >> >(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not >a proper >> >> >> >name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning >"the god". >> >> >> >Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan >> >> >> >god as "al-ilah". >> >> >> > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began >> >> >> >promoting his new religion in 610 AD. >> >> >> > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". >> >> >> > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name >> >> >> >"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". >> >> >> > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs >at the >> >> >> >Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. >> >> >> > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that >Islam is >> >> >> >derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. >> >> >> > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in >> >> >paganism. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hubal the moon god of the Kabah >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Allah the moon god of the Kabah >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. >> >> >> > >> >> >> That does not show that they worship a moon god. >> >> >> >> >> >> You wouldn't persuade anyone that you know what you are talking about. >> >> > >> >> >Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? >> >> > >> >> Why not? What does that have to do with the fact that they worship the >> >> God of Abraham? >> >> >> >> Christians use a cross. Does that mean that God is dead? >> > >> >Here is the answer to the question: >> > >> >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The >> >>> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far >> >>> >back as 2000 BC. >> >>> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. >> >>> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. >> >>> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was >> >>> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. >This may >> >>> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret >> >>> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque >> >>> >throughout the world: >> >> No, that is not an answer to my question. Mohammed was a religious >> reformer and part of his reform was to state that there was only one >> god, the God of Abraham. You are lying about Islam. >> >> I notice that you refused to respond to the fact that Easter was >> borrowed from pagan worship. > >I stated in a post that I don't know about that issue. > Yet you have the arrogance, the gall to assert with the same ignorance that Moslems worship a moon god. You really are disgusting. If I were your pastor, I would be writing a sermon about hubris and self-righteousness to deliver to you, and, since you refuse to ever acknowledge any of your sins, I would be calling you directly, in church, on such lies and how you are harming the Church with your nonsense. I've asked you dozens of times where God told you to lie, but we all know that God didn't tell you to lie. You took it upon yourself to lie to defend the doctrines that you want people to believe. You kept telling those lies even after everyone pointed out that they were lies and that you had no excuse to tell them. You are a pitiful excuse for a man, a pitiful mockery of a Christian. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:37:00 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606071837000001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <l5f383tuep6o065aglqv5ce6vmbqnlup34@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:38:08 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2606071738080001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <ama383tt5lqob7ei5h7hgk4apsu7k62cj9@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:25:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> >> <Jason-2606071125110001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >> >In article <5eclilF37sb6pU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> ... >> >> >> Evolution is about the change in life over time. You have been corrected >> >> on that about a thousand times, yet still seem incapable of learning >> >> such a simple fact. >> > >> >I made the evolution comment in response to this comment: >> > >> >> >> Listen all ID is "God did it". So, when the kids come from home from >> >> >> school, all the parents have to do is say that and it's taken care of. >> >> >> There's no need for an entire course on the subject. >> > >> >One the results of not teaching ID in the public schools is the rapid >> >growth of the home schooling movement. In addition, many large churches >> >has opened "Christian Schools". I once visited a large church that I don't >> >attend. I noticed about 30 little children playing. I was told that they >> >recently started a Christian school since the parents wanted the children >> >to learn about God. Many Christian parents and rich parents have now >> >given up on the public schools. Evolutionists are one of the reasons. One >> >of reasons they do not want ID to be taught is because they are afraid >> >that children would realize that it makes more sense than evolution. Of >> >course, no poster in this newsgroup would admit that was one of the >> >reasons. >> >> In the South, many wealthy and middle class people abandoned the public >> schools because they didn't want their children to have to go to school >> with black children. Then they voted against adequate taxes to fund the >> public schools they abandoned. I can see how you equate the enemies of >> science with the racists. > >I have not mentioned race related to this issue. So? The anti-science creationists that you hang with tend to be more racist than those who accept science. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <erf383hnaoudjn7p9mi00r176v0s3jtree@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:00:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2606071800540001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <94d3831grleibf822h2qbv62bcl55gjpmc@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:16:46 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-2606071316460001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article <1182887737.836228.164980@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > >> >gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 26 Jun., 02:57, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> > In article <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >> >> > > >> >> > snip > >> >> > >> >> > Martin, > >> >> > I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the tradition that > >> >> > Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find > >out the > >> >> > reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday. > >> >> > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> And, according to your "logic", Christians must be pagans, since the > >> >> word "Easter" comes from the name of a pagan goddess. > >> > > >> >This is from Wikipedia: > >> > > >> >Easter, the Sunday of the Resurrection, Pascha, or Resurrection Day, is > >> >the most important religious feast of the Christian liturgical year, > >> >observed at some point between late March and late April each year (early > >> >April to early May in Eastern Christianity), following the cycle of the > >> >moon. It celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, which Christians believe > >> >occurred on the third day of his death by crucifixion some time in the > >> >period AD 27 to 33. Easter also refers to the season of the church year, > >> >called Eastertide or the Easter Season. Traditionally the Easter Season > >> >lasted for the forty days from Easter Day until Ascension Day but now > >> >officially lasts for the fifty days until Pentecost. The first week of the > >> >Easter Season is known as Easter Week or the Octave of Easter. > >> > > >> >Today many families celebrate Easter in a completely secular way, as a > >> >non-religious holiday. > >> > > >> But the _name_ was still adopted from a secular fertility festival. > > > >Have you noticed that there are no more posts from people trying to > >convince me that Jesus rose from the dead on Monday? > > > That was completely off the way. > > Yes, the Bible itself says that Jesus did not stay dead for three days. > So, tell me, what did Jesus predict? He stated lots of things--he did say that he would rise from the dead. Provide a verse--if you are referring to a certain thing that he stated. He rose on the third day. We make the mistake of thinking that they measured time in those days the exact way that we measure time. According to Wikipedia--Christians believe the resurrection occurred on the third day of his death by crucifixion. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <3mf383166e1ngh1c7rri5qf8843gftbp0i@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:15 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2606071812150001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <roc383hj739l9d8vjqnceq3nslgetmmjm4@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:53:44 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> gudloos@yahoo.com wrote in > >> <1182873224.668805.269050@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>: > >> >On 26 Jun., 01:46, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> In article <1182812406.148531.4...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> > On 25 Jun., 08:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> > > In article > ><1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > >> >> > >> >> > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> > > > > In article > ><1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "= > >> >> > Bob > >> >> > >> >> > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > <snip article> > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious > >nutcases > >> >> > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > >> >> > > > > > America was more like Iran. > >> >> > >> >> > > > > > - Bob T. > >> >> > >> >> > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were > >Christians. > >> >> > >> >> > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > >> >> > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > >> >> > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > >> >> > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition > >knocking on > >> >> > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > >> >> > >> >> > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > >> >> > > > including freedom from religion. > >> >> > >> >> > > > - Bob T. > >> >> > >> >> > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > >> >> > > over the world--one country at a time. > >> >> > >> >> > It is also the goal of Christians. You said so. > >> >> > >> >> There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Muslims > >> >> chop off thier heads. If people refuse to become Christians, we don't harm > >> >> them in any way. Has any Christian ever harmed you or threatened you? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > They are presently committing > >> >> > > genocide on the people that live in Darfur. > >> >> > >> >> > All the Moslems are doing that? Even the ones that are at war with > >> >> > each other? Stop being such a fool. > >> >> > >> >> > After they take over control > >> >> > > of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take over > >> >> > > surrounding countries. > >> >> > >> >> > The Sudan is a Muslem country and has been for many centuries. > >> >> > >> >> The Muslims from Middle east are taking over the Sudan. They are either > >> >> killing the Black Muslims or forcing them to leave the country. > >> > > >> >The ones doing the killing are nomadic tribesmen in the Sudan. The > >> >Blacks are animists and Christians. You are once again exposed as an > >> >ignorant liar. > >> > >> You are confusing two different wars. The war in the south was the > >> Moslems of the north against the animists and Christians of the south. > >> The war in Darfur is more tribal, but generally everyone involved is > >> Moslem. > >> > >> This is a tribal war. There is some sense in which it is racist, but the > >> supposedly Arab north and the Janjaweed are not notably lighter black > >> than the blacks in Darfur who are being killed. > >> > >> ... > > > >I posted an article related to Darfur. The article indicated that Arab > >Muslims are committing genocide against black muslims (in Darfur). I > >suggest that you google this term: "Arab Muslims in Darfur" > > > I suggest that you stop acting like an idiot. You didn't read what I > said. I am a speed reader. Quote
Guest David V. Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David > V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Jason wrote: >> >>> Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created >>> Them >> >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced >> society so many people still believe in a myth. It is really >> embarrassing for our country. In no other advanced society, >> and many that aren't so advanced, is there so much >> scientific ignorance as there is here. 'Tis a very sad >> comment on our society. > > I disagree-- Of course you disagree. Your mind is so tightly closed no light can get in to clear away the darkness. > I think that it's great news that so many people realize that > God is watching over them..... That's the sad part; they believe in myths and lies. -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <rpf3831ig2pl2ta224kn2bnn5lm9a92msp@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:41:18 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2606071741180001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <MbydnUGQM6MSMBzbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > ><jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > >> > <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the > >> >>> child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her grandmother was > >> >>> lying in a casket buried in the dirt. > >> >> It also seems that the child would be even more comforted > >> >> with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise > >> >> children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to > >> >> be adults with poorly developed minds. > >> > > >> > You may have to give the child a dose of morphine > >> > >> Have to? Or have what happen? > >> > >> > after telling the child > >> > that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the casket > >> > that was buried in the dirt. > >> > >> I can only assume that you are the child you are talking > >> about. Would you lose your mind and die of grief if someone > >> told you the truth about death? > >> > >> Life involves sorrow and happiness, pleasure and pain. > >> Making up lies to minimize the sorrow and pain also > >> diminishes the sweetness of their opposites. > > > >No--I was not the child--all my family members were Christians. > > > So you've never considered the possibility that the story you are > telling is completely wrong and harmful in some ways. I have attended funerals and Christian preachers usually point out to the relatives that the dead relative is in heaven. The preachers say it because they believe it. I also believe that my parents and my sister are in heaven and I am looking forward to seeing them when I make it to heaven. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <q9jgi.4742$s8.870@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2606071803010001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <yrigi.132$ca.117@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2606071725240001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <gda383p79807j37f1ju8ibliueqh6kqp1e@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:08:43 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >> <Jason-2606071108440001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> >In article <jp3283pji9203fg6293kfgmbpvrq443r0u@4ax.com>, Matt > >> >> >Silberstein > >> >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:04:24 -0700, in alt.atheism , > >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com > >> >> >> (Jason) in > >> >> >> <Jason-2506071804250001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> [snip] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >No--but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in > >> >> >> >deciding > >> >> >> >school curriculum. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> And they do, in every state even. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and > >> >> >> >evolution to be taught. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'll bite: what would the ID curriculum consist of? I guess that > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> have not actually followed the Ohio situation. The state did decide > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> teach ID and then ran into a serious problem: there is nothing to > >> >> >> teach. Nothing . The Discovery Institute, the major promoters of > >> >> >> ID, > >> >> >> have said that they never meant for anyone to actually teach ID > >> >> >> (even > >> >> >> though they called for teaching ID for years), they want schools to > >> >> >> "teach the controversy". It is an amusing idea: they have no > >> >> >> content > >> >> >> to present, but they want the schools to teach a controversy over > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> (non-existent) content. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So, please, tell me what would actually get taught in an > >> >> >> Intelligent > >> >> >> Design course. I will help you get started: tell us what > >> >> >> "Intelligent" > >> >> >> means, tell us what "Design" means, tell us how to detect > >> >> >> intelligence > >> >> >> and design, tell us who the designers were, tell us when the > >> >> >> designers > >> >> >> acted, tell us what the designers did, tell us what tools the > >> >> >> designers used, tell us something about the designers goals. That > >> >> >> is, > >> >> >> answer any of those questions or, at the very least, give us a > >> >> >> clue > >> >> >> on how someone would go about learning the answers to those > >> >> >> questions. > >> >> >> I am sorry, Jason, but there is no ID to teach. > >> >> > > >> >> >The teachers would use a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People" > >> >> >which > >> >> >has no Biblical content. Visit the Discovery Institute and read the > >> >> >articles related to teaching ID in the public schools. If you want to > >> >> >learn about the basics of ID and creation science--read this book: > >> >> >"Origins: Creation or Evolution" by R.B. Bliss > >> >> > > >> >> Jason, you keep ignoring that Pandas does not have a shred of > >> >> scientific > >> >> content to support ID/Creationism and that it was a Creationist > >> >> textbook > >> >> first. > >> > > >> > They advertise the Pandas book in the ICR newsletter. > >> > >> SO WHAT??? Did you refute his statement? No. > > > > I have stated in other posts that I have not read the Pandas book--only > > the review. > > Then if you are going to stand here and defend the book I suggest you read > it. I already know the basics of creation science and ID. Quote
Guest David V. Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Jason wrote: > > BUFFALO, N.Y. - The visits by US Secretary of State Colin > Powell and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to Sudan last week > gave hope that the genocide in Darfur can be arrested before > an entire people is obliterated. Uh..... too late. Too many did not care about them for several reasons; 1. They were not white. 2. They had no oil. 3. They had no political power. 4. They were not white. 5. They had no oil. -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <5uf383532574a8lci3bngd22thrsgvk5fh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:02:02 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2606071802020001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <d6d383tpv8ln55bk4g3lp588704ta04oa1@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:50:05 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-2506072150060001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article <m6r083hfa4oebpf4a56skimde32a9itmd5@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:34 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >> <Jason-2506071827340001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> >In article <mip083tkkqhcp757tku7i60mga5nmhp6tr@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >> >> <Jason-2506071749490001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> >> >In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9aeh@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> >> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >> >> >> <Jason-2506071046360001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> >> >> >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcrb8r@4ax.com>, John Baker > >> >> >> >> ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> >> >> ... > >> >> >> >> >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same > >> >> >God--please > >> >> >> >> >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of > >> >> >every Mormon > >> >> >> >> >> >> Mosque in the world? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I might find a > >> >> >> >> >> Mormon mosque. <G> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the worshippers > >> >> >> >> that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you > >> >> >> >> provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Islam: Truth or Myth? start page > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Introduction to basic facts of history: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > >> >> >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon > >worship as far > >> >> >> >back as 2000 BC. > >> >> >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > >> >> >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > >> >> >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god > >Hubal was > >> >> >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. > >This may > >> >> >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every > >minaret > >> >> >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > >> >> >> >throughout the world: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr > >> >> >> >bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol > >> >> >> >called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief > >deities of > >> >> >> >the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz > >Ghulam Sarwar > >> >> >> >(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not > >a proper > >> >> >> >name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning > >"the god". > >> >> >> >Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan > >> >> >> >god as "al-ilah". > >> >> >> > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began > >> >> >> >promoting his new religion in 610 AD. > >> >> >> > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". > >> >> >> > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name > >> >> >> >"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". > >> >> >> > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs > >at the > >> >> >> >Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. > >> >> >> > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that > >Islam is > >> >> >> >derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. > >> >> >> > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in > >> >> >paganism. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hubal the moon god of the Kabah > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Allah the moon god of the Kabah > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> That does not show that they worship a moon god. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> You wouldn't persuade anyone that you know what you are talking about. > >> >> > > >> >> >Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > >> >> > > >> >> Why not? What does that have to do with the fact that they worship the > >> >> God of Abraham? > >> >> > >> >> Christians use a cross. Does that mean that God is dead? > >> > > >> >Here is the answer to the question: > >> > > >> >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > >> >>> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far > >> >>> >back as 2000 BC. > >> >>> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > >> >>> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > >> >>> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was > >> >>> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. > >This may > >> >>> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret > >> >>> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > >> >>> >throughout the world: > >> > >> No, that is not an answer to my question. Mohammed was a religious > >> reformer and part of his reform was to state that there was only one > >> god, the God of Abraham. You are lying about Islam. > >> > >> I notice that you refused to respond to the fact that Easter was > >> borrowed from pagan worship. > > > >I stated in a post that I don't know about that issue. > > > Yet you have the arrogance, the gall to assert with the same ignorance > that Moslems worship a moon god. You really are disgusting. If I were > your pastor, I would be writing a sermon about hubris and > self-righteousness to deliver to you, and, since you refuse to ever > acknowledge any of your sins, I would be calling you directly, in > church, on such lies and how you are harming the Church with your > nonsense. > > I've asked you dozens of times where God told you to lie, but we all > know that God didn't tell you to lie. You took it upon yourself to lie > to defend the doctrines that you want people to believe. You kept > telling those lies even after everyone pointed out that they were lies > and that you had no excuse to tell them. You are a pitiful excuse for a > man, a pitiful mockery of a Christian. Google "moon god". I first read about the moon god in a book that was written by a famous Christian preacher named John Hagee. He wrote about the moon god in this book: "Jerusalem Countdown". He has a television show that is broadcast every Sunday. He is a pastor of a church that has about 5000 members. jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <19g383hg02qkrfaf93aq8innicj9fv3atf@4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:37:00 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > <Jason-2606071837000001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >In article <l5f383tuep6o065aglqv5ce6vmbqnlup34@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:38:08 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> <Jason-2606071738080001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >In article <ama383tt5lqob7ei5h7hgk4apsu7k62cj9@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:25:10 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >> <Jason-2606071125110001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> >In article <5eclilF37sb6pU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> ... > >> > >> >> Evolution is about the change in life over time. You have been corrected > >> >> on that about a thousand times, yet still seem incapable of learning > >> >> such a simple fact. > >> > > >> >I made the evolution comment in response to this comment: > >> > > >> >> >> Listen all ID is "God did it". So, when the kids come from home from > >> >> >> school, all the parents have to do is say that and it's taken care of. > >> >> >> There's no need for an entire course on the subject. > >> > > >> >One the results of not teaching ID in the public schools is the rapid > >> >growth of the home schooling movement. In addition, many large churches > >> >has opened "Christian Schools". I once visited a large church that I don't > >> >attend. I noticed about 30 little children playing. I was told that they > >> >recently started a Christian school since the parents wanted the children > >> >to learn about God. Many Christian parents and rich parents have now > >> >given up on the public schools. Evolutionists are one of the reasons. One > >> >of reasons they do not want ID to be taught is because they are afraid > >> >that children would realize that it makes more sense than evolution. Of > >> >course, no poster in this newsgroup would admit that was one of the > >> >reasons. > >> > >> In the South, many wealthy and middle class people abandoned the public > >> schools because they didn't want their children to have to go to school > >> with black children. Then they voted against adequate taxes to fund the > >> public schools they abandoned. I can see how you equate the enemies of > >> science with the racists. > > > >I have not mentioned race related to this issue. > > So? The anti-science creationists that you hang with tend to be more > racist than those who accept science. I don't know--perhaps in some of the states in the deep south. Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 26, 6:39 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182906877.862471.110...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 5:52 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <Fiigi.120$ca...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > <snipped for brevity> > > > > ">> It was a Republican judge, nominated by Bush, that ruled in the Dover > > > > >> case. > > > > > >> >For example, in the state of Ohio, the wishes of > > > > >> >the people were not taken into consideration by the evolutionists. > > > > > >> You keep confusing "court" with "evolutionist". And in Ohio the > > > > >> problem was that there is no ID curriculum to teach. Have you checked > > > > >> the Discovery Institute yet on this? > > > > > >> >I don't > > > > >> >know whether or not the judge took the wishes of the people or their > > > > >> >elected representatives into consideration prior to his decision--I > > > > >> >doubt > > > > >> >it--but am only guessing. > > > > > >> You really should try to learn something about the law rather than > > > > >> guessing. Judges take things like the Constitution into account, not > > > > >> votes. Some of us like the Constitution. Why do you hate America? > > > > > > I don't hate America. People like yourself appear to me to want > judges to > > > > > determine the education policy in the various states. Was the judge in > > > > > that Dover case elected or appointed? > > > > > > I would prefer that the elected representives determine school > policy and > > > > > not judges or evolutionists. > > > > > > People like yourself seem to have no regard for the wishes of the people > > > > > that live in Ohio and various other states. Over 60 percent of the > > > > > citizens of Ohio wanted Evolution and ID to be taught. > > > > > Scientists will determine what courses will be considered as > science. Do you > > > > think people like you are qualified to do this? > > > > Sorry--I was under the impression that school boards and the state > > > sectratary of education made decisions as to what courses should be > > > taught. > > > Within limits - public schools are not allowed to preach religion to > > children. If you lived in a town where the majority of the population > > was Muslim, and the school board decided that the children should bow > > down to Mecca in school, would you think that was OK? How about if > > the majority were pagan? I just came across this link about school > > prayer on another newsgroup: > > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828 > > That is an excellent point. I would write or call the members of the > school board. I would vote against them if they approved those sorts of > things. You shouldn't ever have to do that, because no public school district in the country is allowed to teach Islam, or any other religion, as if it were the truth. One of the most important protections in our constitution is the protection of minority views, including minority religious views, against the "tyranny of the majority". - Bob T. > > > > > > > "Intelligent Design" is not science - it is religion wearing a very > > thin disguise. That is why it is not allowed to be taught in public > > school. > > > - Bob T.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:42:25 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <95igi.114$ca.5@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2606071631170001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <1182891430.834265.109900@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >> > >> >> On 26 Jun., 20:40, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <1182874101.911955.323...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> > > On 26 Jun., 02:25, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > > > In article <1182814064.453751.298...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> >> > >> >> > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> > > > > On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > > > > > In article >> >> > > > > > <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com= >> >> >, "Bob >> >> > > snip >> >> > >> >> > > > > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based >> >> > > > > > upon >> >> > what they >> >> > > > > > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - >> >> > >> >> > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - >> >> > >> >> > > > > Since there was no evidence to reject, you have no point. There >> >> > > > > was >> >> > > > > hearsay testimony. How could the doctor or the person cured >> >> > > > > possib= >> >> ly >> >> > > > > know it was a miracle. This has been asked in various ways >> >> > > > > repeate= >> >> d, >> >> > > > > and you are still ignoring it. >> >> > >> >> > > > I understand your question. The doctor knew that William Kent had >> >> > > > bee= >> >> n in >> >> > > > a wheel chair for several years. The doctor had X-Rays and medical >> >> > > > re= >> >> cords >> >> > > > related to the reason William Kent was disabled. That same doctor >> >> > > > hea= >> >> rd >> >> > > > Willam Kent's testimony related to his healing. That doctor >> >> > > > examined >> >> > > > William Kent and determined that he was no longer disabled and >> >> > > > could = >> >> walk >> >> > > > normally. The doctor believed the testimony of William Kent related >> >> > > > t= >> >> o the >> >> > > > healing. Can William Kent or the doctor provide PROOF that God >> >> > > > healed >> >> > > > William Kent that would satisfy athiests? The answer is NO. Can >> >> > > > Willam >> >> > > > Kent and his doctor provide testimonies and statements that will >> >> > > > conv= >> >> ince >> >> > > > other Christians and myself that William Kent was healed? The >> >> > > > answer = >> >> is >> >> > > > Yes. Atheists do not believe the testimony of William Kent because >> >> > > > of >> >> > > > their belief system. >> >> > >> >> > > You have been told why we do not believe the testimony, which means >> >> > > the above is a lie. >> >> > >> >> > > >Many Christians will believe the testimony of William >> >> > > > Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will >> >> > > > understan= >> >> d my >> >> > > > point.- >> >> > >> >> > > Your point is that you have no evidence and you lie about it, making >> >> > > it worse by accusing atheists of being as dishonest as you. >> >> > >> >> > Your belief system causes you to reject or not believe the testimonies >> >> > of >> >> > those people. >> >> >> >> And you repeat your lie about my motivations. >> >> >> >> >My belief system causes me to accept and believe the >> >> > testimonies.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - >> >> > >> >> >> >> Since I have no belief system, I require evidence. Continue with your >> >> delibrately insulting lies if they amuse you; they change nothing. >> > >> > You are the first adult person that has ever told me that they have no >> > belief system. >> >> What belief systems do you think adults have? > >They have various beliefs about various things. Hidden away in an attic somewhere there's a picture of you that's getting smarter by the minute. > Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 26, 7:01 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <rpf3831ig2pl2ta224kn2bnn5lm9a92...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:41:18 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-2606071741180...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >In article <MbydnUGQM6MSMBzbnZ2dnUVZ_vyun...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > ><jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >> > In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish > > >> > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: > > > >> >> Jason wrote: > > > >> >>> It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the > > >> >>> child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her > grandmother was > > >> >>> lying in a casket buried in the dirt. > > >> >> It also seems that the child would be even more comforted > > >> >> with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise > > >> >> children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to > > >> >> be adults with poorly developed minds. > > > >> > You may have to give the child a dose of morphine > > > >> Have to? Or have what happen? > > > >> > after telling the child > > >> > that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the > casket > > >> > that was buried in the dirt. > > > >> I can only assume that you are the child you are talking > > >> about. Would you lose your mind and die of grief if someone > > >> told you the truth about death? > > > >> Life involves sorrow and happiness, pleasure and pain. > > >> Making up lies to minimize the sorrow and pain also > > >> diminishes the sweetness of their opposites. > > > >No--I was not the child--all my family members were Christians. > > > So you've never considered the possibility that the story you are > > telling is completely wrong and harmful in some ways. > > I have attended funerals and Christian preachers usually point out to the > relatives that the dead relative is in heaven. The preachers say it > because they believe it. I also believe that my parents and my sister are > in heaven and I am looking forward to seeing them when I make it to > heaven. Wouldn't it be more truthful to say that you "hope" that your relatives are in Heaven? For all you know, they had some secret sins that caused them to be sent to Hell instead. Come to think of it, for all you know you will be in Hell yourself. Of course you won't be in either Heaven or Hell, because neither place exists. - Bob T. > Jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In alt.atheism On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:02:36 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish ><jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >> > It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the >> > child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her grandmother was >> > lying in a casket buried in the dirt. >> >> It also seems that the child would be even more comforted >> with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise >> children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to >> be adults with poorly developed minds. > >You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the child >that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the casket >that was buried in the dirt. It's better to have the truth than a comfortable lie, don't you agree? Comfortable lies come back to bite you later in life. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:25:23 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <gda383p79807j37f1ju8ibliueqh6kqp1e@4ax.com>, Free Lunch ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:08:43 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> <Jason-2606071108440001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> >In article <jp3283pji9203fg6293kfgmbpvrq443r0u@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:04:24 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> >> (Jason) in >> >> <Jason-2506071804250001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >No--but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding >> >> >school curriculum. >> >> >> >> And they do, in every state even. >> >> >> >> >In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and >> >> >evolution to be taught. >> >> >> >> I'll bite: what would the ID curriculum consist of? I guess that you >> >> have not actually followed the Ohio situation. The state did decide to >> >> teach ID and then ran into a serious problem: there is nothing to >> >> teach. Nothing . The Discovery Institute, the major promoters of ID, >> >> have said that they never meant for anyone to actually teach ID (even >> >> though they called for teaching ID for years), they want schools to >> >> "teach the controversy". It is an amusing idea: they have no content >> >> to present, but they want the schools to teach a controversy over that >> >> (non-existent) content. >> >> >> >> So, please, tell me what would actually get taught in an Intelligent >> >> Design course. I will help you get started: tell us what "Intelligent" >> >> means, tell us what "Design" means, tell us how to detect intelligence >> >> and design, tell us who the designers were, tell us when the designers >> >> acted, tell us what the designers did, tell us what tools the >> >> designers used, tell us something about the designers goals. That is, >> >> answer any of those questions or, at the very least, give us a clue >> >> on how someone would go about learning the answers to those questions. >> >> I am sorry, Jason, but there is no ID to teach. >> > >> >The teachers would use a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People" which >> >has no Biblical content. Visit the Discovery Institute and read the >> >articles related to teaching ID in the public schools. If you want to >> >learn about the basics of ID and creation science--read this book: >> >"Origins: Creation or Evolution" by R.B. Bliss >> > >> Jason, you keep ignoring that Pandas does not have a shred of scientific >> content to support ID/Creationism and that it was a Creationist textbook >> first. > >They advertise the Pandas book in the ICR newsletter. And the ICR is a creationist propaganda mill. Your point? > Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 27, 12:17 am, "No Reply" <nr22...@shotmail.com> wrote: > <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1182874101.911955.323570@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > You have been told why we do not believe the testimony, which means > > the above is a lie. > > >>Many Christians will believe the testimony of William > >> Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will understand my > >> point.- > > > Your point is that you have no evidence and you lie about it, making > > it worse by accusing atheists of being as dishonest as you. > > The pagan beliefs which oppose God's plan Her\0 we see another Godbot streaming random words. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 27, 1:43 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <EU7gi.7357$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2506072227160001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article > > > <DipthotDipthot-1DEF3B.19130325062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> In article > > >> <Jason-2506071217400...@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the people that > > >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools > > > >> Scientific truth is not a popularity contest. > > > >> The masses, on average, are not too bright. Do you want that kind of > > >> mediocre thinking foisted on our young? > > > >> Of course you do. And that's called thought control. > > > > I would much prefer the citizens of Ohio electing politicians that will do > > > what the citizens of Ohio want them to do related to education policy than > > > to have a group of unelected evolutionists deciding education policy. > > > jason > > > Still prefer to remain scientifically illiterate, I see. > > If we trust them to elect members of Congress and serve on juries--we > should trust them to elect the members of school boards and the state > secratary of education. None of the these things matter--since the > evolutionists will take the states to court if those elected > representatives attempted to authorize the teaching of ID. In other words, > unelected evolutionists are deciding school curriculum instead the > politicians that represent the interests of the people that elected them. Having scientists decide what should be taught in science class is entirely appropriate, Jason. I've never been in a situation where I couldn't teach whatever I wanted in a science class, not even in Catholic Philippines. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 27, 1:47 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <5eclv9F38b9m...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2506072238410001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <1182828376.590242.59...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jun 26, 9:12 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> > In article <yAZfi.7126$n9.6...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > > >> > >news:Jason-2406071818230001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > >> > > > In article > > >> > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> > > >> In article > > >> > > >> <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > > >> > I want to make it legal for teachers > > >> > > >> > to teach ID > > > >> > > >> But it is legal to do that... > > > >> > > >> ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > > > >> > > >> So what's your problem? > > > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of > > >> > > > course, > > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > > > >> > > Tell me Jason, just how would you propose teaching ID as science? > > > Please be > > >> > > specific in your reply. > > > >> > Teachers and students would use the textbook "Of Pandas and People" > > >> > which > > >> > has no Biblical content. > > > >> It also has no scientific content. And you can't argue that it does > > >> because you've never seen it. > > > That's true--just a book review. > > > How can you advocate something you haven't even bothered to read? > > Since I know the basics of creation... So you, Jason, consider yourself qualified to teach a science class? That's exactly the kind of travesty we want to avoid. Martin Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 26, 7:06 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <5uf383532574a8lci3bngd22thrsgvk...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > > > > > > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:02:02 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > <Jason-2606071802020...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >In article <d6d383tpv8ln55bk4g3lp588704ta04...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:50:05 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> <Jason-2506072150060...@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >In article <m6r083hfa4oebpf4a56skimde32a9it...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:34 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >> <Jason-2506071827340...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >> >In article <mip083tkkqhcp757tku7i60mga5nmhp...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> >> ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700, in alt.atheism > > >> >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >> >> <Jason-2506071749490...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >> >> >In article <r0n083d7l69bkbc3m7p60j3l60hlme9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > >> >> >> ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:46:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > >> >> >> >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > >> >> >> >> <Jason-2506071046360...@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > > >> >> >> >> >In article <stqv7396nu5e3jsncsntpea7hi1dvcr...@4ax.com>, > John Baker > > >> >> >> >> ><n...@bizniz.net> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:28:42 -0700, gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> >On 25 Jun., 03:35, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >> >> For those people that believe Yahweh and Allah are the same > > >> >> >God--please > > >> >> >> >> >> >> explain why there is a symbol of a crescent moon on top of > > >> >> >every Mormon > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Mosque in the world? > > > >> >> >> >> >> Sure, Jason. Just as soon as you tell me where I > might find a > > >> >> >> >> >> Mormon mosque. <G> > > > >> >> >> >> >Sorry--I meant Muslim Mosque. > > > >> >> >> >> Which Mosque would you be willing to go into and tell the > worshippers > > >> >> >> >> that they do not worship the God of Abraham? What evidence can you > > >> >> >> >> provide them that you are right and that Mohammed lied to them? > > > >> >> >> >Hubal and Allah the Moon God? > > > >> >> >> >Islam: Truth or Myth? start page > > > >> >> >> >Introduction to basic facts of history: > > > >> >> >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > > >> >> >> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon > > >worship as far > > >> >> >> >back as 2000 BC. > > >> >> >> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of > the Kabah. > > >> >> >> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > > >> >> >> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god > > >Hubal was > > >> >> >> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. > > >This may > > >> >> >> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every > > >minaret > > >> >> >> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of > every mosque > > >> >> >> >throughout the world: > > > >> >> >> > About four hundred years before the birth of > Muhammad one Amr > > >> >> >> >bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had > put an idol > > >> >> >> >called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief > > >deities of > > >> >> >> >the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz > > >Ghulam Sarwar > > >> >> >> >(Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > > > >> >> >> > 5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not > > >a proper > > >> >> >> >name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning > > >"the god". > > >> >> >> >Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local > tribal pagan > > >> >> >> >god as "al-ilah". > > >> >> >> > 6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began > > >> >> >> >promoting his new religion in 610 AD. > > >> >> >> > 7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". > > >> >> >> > 8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to > the name > > >> >> >> >"Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". > > >> >> >> > 9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs > > >at the > > >> >> >> >Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. > > >> >> >> > 10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that > > >Islam is > > >> >> >> >derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. > > >> >> >> > 11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots > are in > > >> >> >paganism. > > > >> >> >> > Hubal the moon god of the Kabah > > > >> >> >> > Allah the moon god of the Kabah > > > >> >> >> >Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran > > > >> >> >> >Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah > > > >> >> >> >Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship > > > >> >> >> >Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today. > > > >> >> >> That does not show that they worship a moon god. > > > >> >> >> You wouldn't persuade anyone that you know what you are talking > about. > > > >> >> >Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque? > > > >> >> Why not? What does that have to do with the fact that they worship the > > >> >> God of Abraham? > > > >> >> Christians use a cross. Does that mean that God is dead? > > > >> >Here is the answer to the question: > > > >> >> > 1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The > > >> >>> >crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon > worship as far > > >> >>> >back as 2000 BC. > > >> >>> > 2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. > > >> >>> > 3. This Hubal was a moon god. > > >> >>> > 4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god > Hubal was > > >> >>> >placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. > > >This may > > >> >>> >in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of > every minaret > > >> >>> >at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque > > >> >>> >throughout the world: > > > >> No, that is not an answer to my question. Mohammed was a religious > > >> reformer and part of his reform was to state that there was only one > > >> god, the God of Abraham. You are lying about Islam. > > > >> I notice that you refused to respond to the fact that Easter was > > >> borrowed from pagan worship. > > > >I stated in a post that I don't know about that issue. > > > Yet you have the arrogance, the gall to assert with the same ignorance > > that Moslems worship a moon god. You really are disgusting. If I were > > your pastor, I would be writing a sermon about hubris and > > self-righteousness to deliver to you, and, since you refuse to ever > > acknowledge any of your sins, I would be calling you directly, in > > church, on such lies and how you are harming the Church with your > > nonsense. > > > I've asked you dozens of times where God told you to lie, but we all > > know that God didn't tell you to lie. You took it upon yourself to lie > > to defend the doctrines that you want people to believe. You kept > > telling those lies even after everyone pointed out that they were lies > > and that you had no excuse to tell them. You are a pitiful excuse for a > > man, a pitiful mockery of a Christian. > > Google "moon god". I first read about the moon god in a book that was > written by a famous Christian preacher named John Hagee. He wrote about > the moon god in this book: "Jerusalem Countdown". He has a television show > that is broadcast every Sunday. He is a pastor of a church that has about > 5000 members. Why should anybody take the word of a Christian evangelist about the origins of Islam? Obviously he has an agenda. If you want to know about Islam, study history - do not listen to preachers. Likewise, if you want to know about Christianity, don't listen to Muslim preachers - they have an agenda, too. - Bob T. > jason- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:55:44 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: - Refer: <f5rcu0$p8o$1@news04.infoave.net> >Michael Gray wrote: >> I managed to complete my entire Computer Sciewnce degree using IBM >> punched cards! (With 12 hour turnaround!) >> I remember having a subroutine that amounted to three of those 2 foot >> long boxes of cards, and dropping one of them on the way to the >> counter, shuffling its entire contents down the hallway. >> I nearly cried. > >You didn't number them???????????? I did, but only AFTER that! Ah, columns 73-80 became very overused. But, wouldn't you know it? I did not drop a deck after that! Luckily I had some recent printouts to go by, and had made only a few minor edits. >(Neither did I.) -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:08:42 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: - Refer: <5ecku5F37aehtU1@mid.individual.net> > >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in messagesnip > >> In America, evolutionists control the science curriculum in schools. The >> opinions of >> the people that live in Ohio are of no concern to evolutionists. > >And? Jason and the Argue-naughts? -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:22:28 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: - Refer: <5eclnvF378rnuU1@mid.individual.net> > >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in > >snip > >> It's now easy for me to understand why the home schooling movement is >> growing and the reason why so many large churches are now starting their >> own Christian schools. Many of the rich people in this town send their >> children to a Catholic prep school. I don't blame all of those parents for >> giving up on the public school system. > >Keep in mind that not all public schools are bad. Where I live (Bergen >County, NJ), they're great. "Keep in mind"? Jason does not possess such an organ. -- Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 27, 1:47 am, Frank Mayhar <f...@exit.com> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:06:13 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2506071757530001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> In article <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >> Martin <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jun 26, 7:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> > In article <1182812886.632371.303...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >>> > Martin > > >>> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > > On Jun 26, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> > > > In article > >>> > > > <1182769286.811353.191...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >> Martin > > >>> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > > > > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> > > > > > In article > > >>> > <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > >>> > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > In article > > >>> > > > <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > >>> > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > In article > > >>> > <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > >>> > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > In article > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>, > >>> > > > Free Lunch > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > snip > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Christians are > >>> > > > worshipping > >>> > > > > > > > a false > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > referring > >>> > to God. > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > about the > >>> > > > true God.- > >>> > > > > > > > Skjul = > >>> > > > > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the > >>> > equivalent to the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply > >>> > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > Christian Arabs of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did > >>> > > > > > > > > > > not call > >>> > > > their god > >>> > > > > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from > >>> > > > > > > > > > > German. > >>> > > > Apparently > >>> > > > > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles > >>> > > > > > > > > > > are valid. > >>> > > > I am not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > surprised. > > >>> > > > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in > >>> > > > > > > > > > English are > >>> > > > valid. Even > >>> > > > > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles > >> written in > >>> > > > > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their > >>> > > > > > > > > > Bibles, > >>> > they will > >>> > > > > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is > >> the true God > >>> > > > > > and that > >>> > > > > > > > > > the moon god is a false God. > > >>> > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam > >>> > > > > > > > > religion > >>> > in your > >>> > > > > > > > > eyes? > > >>> > > > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun. > > >>> > > > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't > >>> > > > > > > they go to > >>> > > > > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old > >>> > > > > > > testament, > >> the day > >>> > > > > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore > >>> > > > > > > the commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy? > > >>> > > > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on > >>> > Saturday. Most > >>> > > > > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's > >>> > > > > > Day--the > >>> > day that > >>> > > > > > Jesus rose from the dead. > > >>> > > > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a > >>> > > > > Friday (the > >>> > > > > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose > >>> > > > > again after > >>> > > > > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday, > >>> > > > > Jason. No > >>> > > > > wonder you only barely passed Math 101. > > >>> > > > I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The > >>> > > > Bible Has > >>> > > > the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris > > >>> > > > "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor > >>> > > > 16:2) > >>> > > > follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently > >>> > > > began it in > >>> > > > commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, > >>> > > > John 20: > >>> > > > 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of > >> His great > >>> > > > work of redemption was demonstred on that day...." > > >>> > > Thank you for proving that Henry Morris ia a liar whom you are > >>> > > willing > >>> > > to believe ahead of your own Bible. > > >>> > He mentioned scriptures from the Bible to support his statements. > > >>> Which doesn't change the fact that the Bible disagrees with him. First > >>> look at Mark: > > >>> Mark 8:31: "And He [Jesus] began to teach them that the Son of Man > >>> must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief > >>> priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." > > >>> Mark 9:31: "For He taught His disciples and said to them, `The Son of > >>> Man is being delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. > >>> And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.' " > > >>> So if Jesus was buried on "Good" Friday then there is no way he could > >>> have risen on Sunday. And it was supposedly Friday, the day before > >>> the Sabbath according to John and Luke: > > >>> John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the > >>> bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [for that Sabbath > >>> was a high day). > > >>> Luke 23:56. The women ".. prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they > >>> rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment " > > >>> Some have argued that a "day" meant 12 hours but Matthew makes it > >>> clear that "three days" includes "three nights": > > >>> Matthew 12:40, "three days and three nights in the heart of the > >>> earth." > > >>> Why are so you ignorant of what your Bible says, the book which you > >>> claim to believe in? > >> I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the tradition > >> that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find > >> out the reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday. > > > Do you know where the word "Easter" came from? > > > Think "Pagan spring fertility festival". > > Ayup. We're still celebrating the Goddess, all these centuries later! :-) Thanks for pointing that out. That means the fictional Jesus was based on Tammuz, the sun of the sun God in Sumerian mythology. http://www.ldolphin.org/ishtar.html Martin Quote
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