Evolution is Just Junk Science

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 1:58 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <46811A14.2050...@osu.edu>, James Burns <burns...@osu.edu> wrote:

> > Jason wrote:

> > > [in response to <hpk0831bpvg6k5opju35jsrineoqapd...@4ax.com>,

> > > Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> ]

>

> > > So 68% of the people in Ohio want teachers to teach Evolution

> > > and ID. However, evolutionists want to control what teachers

> > > are able to teach. Unlike you, I believe the people that live

> > > in Ohio should be allowed to have a voice in deciding school

> > > curriculum.

>

> > That 68% live under a constitution that protects the minority

> > from the majority. This includes protection from having

> > anyone's religion shoved down their throats by the government.

>

> > Teaching your Biblical literalism as though it were science

> > in a government-mandated class qualifies absolutely as

> > "shoving your religion down my children's throat". This

> > is true not just for non-Christians, but for all the Christians

> > who are /not/ Biblical literalists.

>

> > But you know this, Jason. You /show/ that you know this because

> > you do NOT argue against evolution by using the constitutional

> > argument -- which is a much stronger argument, if you can

> > swing it.

>

> > Why did our Founders add the First Amendment to the US

> > Constitution? Because they saw the devastation brought

> > by the wars over established churches in Europe. Is that

> > devastation what you want for the United States? I don't

> > know about you specifically, Jason, but some of your

> > fellow Creationists are hoping for the End Times; war and

> > destruction is a sign that Christ is coming, for them.

>

> > What percentage of Ohioans would want Intelligent

> > Design taught in their classrooms if they knew it

> > was part of a plan to give Pestilence, War, Famine, and

> > Death free rein in Ohio?

>

> If ID was taught in every biology class in America, none of those things

> would happen.

What is described in the Bible never happens anyway, Jason, except

perhaps by total coincidence.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:22:48 -0400, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

- Refer: <5eclojF3929kfU1@mid.individual.net>

>

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>

>snip

>>

>> Because the Bible states that humans are special.

>

>So?

Is Jason suggesting that he is somehow "human"?

Now that is funny!

--

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <jp3283pji9203fg6293kfgmbpvrq443...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein

> <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:04:24 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com

> > (Jason) in

> > <Jason-2506071804250...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:

>

> > [snip]

>

> > >No--but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding

> > >school curriculum.

>

> > And they do, in every state even.

>

> > >In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and

> > >evolution to be taught.

>

> > I'll bite: what would the ID curriculum consist of? I guess that you

> > have not actually followed the Ohio situation. The state did decide to

> > teach ID and then ran into a serious problem: there is nothing to

> > teach. Nothing . The Discovery Institute, the major promoters of ID,

> > have said that they never meant for anyone to actually teach ID (even

> > though they called for teaching ID for years), they want schools to

> > "teach the controversy". It is an amusing idea: they have no content

> > to present, but they want the schools to teach a controversy over that

> > (non-existent) content.

>

> > So, please, tell me what would actually get taught in an Intelligent

> > Design course. I will help you get started: tell us what "Intelligent"

> > means, tell us what "Design" means, tell us how to detect intelligence

> > and design, tell us who the designers were, tell us when the designers

> > acted, tell us what the designers did, tell us what tools the

> > designers used, tell us something about the designers goals. That is,

> > answer any of those questions or, at the very least, give us a clue

> > on how someone would go about learning the answers to those questions.

> > I am sorry, Jason, but there is no ID to teach.

>

> The teachers would use a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People" which

> has no Biblical content.

And no science content.

If I were a high school principal, I would not hire anyone who thought

an "intelligent designer" created mankind and I would fire anybody who

would bring such nonsense into a science classroom. I'd replace that

person with a qualified teacher immediately. Nobody should call

themselves a "teacher" and lie to young kids. It's disgraceful!

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac

<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

- Refer: <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com>

>In article

><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,

> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> >

>> > snip

>> >

>> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.

>> >

>> > What makes your god the "true" one?

>>

>> Books have been written on that subject.

>

>I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus is the true

>god?

Of course.

The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's butt any time!

--

June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:02:58 -0400, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

- Refer: <5eckjeF36fh2jU1@mid.individual.net>

>

><gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>news:1182812811.996798.30050@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>> On 25 Jun., 17:34, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote

>>>

>>> snip

>>>

>>> > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God.

>>>

>>> What makes your god the "true" one?

>>> --

>>

>> The Bible says so of course.

>

>Yeah, I've heard that, but I'm not buying it ;P

You don't have to buy.

You can steal one from a motel side-table.

--

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:10 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182873615.385634.169...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On 26 Jun., 02:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was

> > > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit

> > > > outright. Their loss.

>

> > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a

> > > state school should quit.

>

> > I didn't think you would answer the question. Apparently you are

> > afraid of it just like all the others you ignore.

>

> I did provide an answer--perhaps you were not satisfied with my

> answer--but I did provide an answer.

I agree. You said that if the established curriculum stated that the

Earth were flat then you, as a teacher, would feel honour bound to

teach that. This is precisely why you should not presume to "teach",

especially to young kids.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <5eclilF37sb6...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

> > Listen all ID is "God did it". So, when the kids come from home from

> > school, all the parents have to do is say that and it's taken care of.

> > There's no need for an entire course on the subject.

>

> There is more to it than that. The text book "Of Pandas and People" has

> 170 pages.

170 pages but no science content, Jason.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:25:23 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com

(Jason) in

<Jason-2606071725240001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:

>In article <gda383p79807j37f1ju8ibliueqh6kqp1e@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

[snip]

>> Jason, you keep ignoring that Pandas does not have a shred of scientific

>> content to support ID/Creationism and that it was a Creationist textbook

>> first.

>

>They advertise the Pandas book in the ICR newsletter.

And the ICR is an evangelical Christian ministry.

--

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June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:02:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com

(Jason) in

<Jason-2606071902110001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:

[snip]

>I already know the basics of creation science and ID.

How do they differ?

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June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:19:33 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com

(Jason) in

<Jason-2606071719340001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:

[snip]

>I have made this point several different times but it appears that it flew

>over your head:

>Legislation (as per the constitution) should be made by elected

>representatives and not as a result of by judicial fiat. If you re-read

>the article with this in mind--you will understand my point of view. The

>will of the democratic majority is taken into consideration by elected

>representatives but is usually not taken into consideration by unelected

>judges.

And the court did not make legislation, the court overturned a school

board policy as contrary to the Constitution.

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June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> Perhaps the parents could tell their children: "Life evolved from

> non-life". So, when the kids come home from school, all the parents have

> to do is say that and it's taken care of. There's no need for an entire

> course on evolution.

Evolutionary theory describes how evolution works, Jason, and there is

plenty of evidence supporting it (fossil evidence, genetic evidence,

anatomical evidence and observed speciation).

Intelligent design is not a theory because there is no evidence

supporting it, not until someday somebody is able to uncover a fossil

of your god.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com

(Jason) in

<Jason-2606071749330001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:

[snip]

>The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio wanted

>both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools.

What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites?

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June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182871741.750936.67...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On 26 Jun., 01:05, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <1182811351.557959.227...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,

>

> > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > > On 25 Jun., 06:51, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > > > In article <8oKdnUvAwJeWqeLbnZ2dnUVZ_qjin...@sti.net>, "David V."

>

> > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Jason wrote:

>

> > > > > > > I disagree. Evolution is a theory.

>

> > > > > > As I explained to you before, you do not know the definition of

> > > > > > the word 'theory,' and you got it wrong even after seeing it in a

> > > > > > dictionary.

>

> > > > > > > I looked up the word Evolution in my Webster's Dictionary.....

>

> > > > > > And you still don't get it.

>

> > > > > > Is this feigned ignorance on purpose?

>

> > > > > These two words were found on page 6 of the November 2004 issue of

> > > > > National Geographic:

>

> > > > > EVOLUTIONARY THEORY...

>

> > > > Yes, the theories that explain the fact of evolution, just like the

> > > > theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity. You do understand

> > > > that, don't you? Too bad you are too dishonest and cowardly to stop

> > > > lying about it.

>

> > > I re-read the article related to evolution that was published in the

> > > Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic. The author of the article made it

> > > clear that evolution was a theory.

>

> > > He made this statement on page 8:

>

> > > "Evolution is both a beautiful concept and an important one, more crucial

> > > nowadays to human welfare, to medical science, and to our understanding of

> > > the world than ever before. It's also deeply persuasive--a theory you can

> > > take to the bank...."

>

> > > Various members of this newsgroup appear to believe that evolution is a

> > > fact but the author of the article that was printed in National Geographic

> > > disagrees with you.

> > > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > No he doesn't, but no amount of explanation will get you to see it.

> > It is a theory; the theory that explains the fact. Equivocation is a

> > favorite, dishonest tactic used by trolls like you.

>

> We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory explains the

> facts that are backed up with evidence.

Remember this the next time you claim there is no evidence supporting

evolution.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:36 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <5eclp9F37r3k...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

> > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> >news:Jason-2506072141500001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

> > > In article <1182825539.614729.233...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> On Jun 26, 8:29 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > In article <m5l083tvho8aq1m7bplo13mv79ltbci...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

> > >> > > So, aside from you huge ego, why do you claim that humans are

> > >> > > special.

> > >> > > The physical evidence shows otherwise.

>

> > >> > Because the Bible states that humans are special.

>

> > >> So, aside from your huge ego, what possible reason do you have for

> > >> believing anything in the Bible? You were asked before to find

> > >> something -anything- in the Bible which is objectively true and you

> > >> never answered (as usual).

> > > Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart there is no God.

>

> > If a fool can figure it out, what's your problem?

>

> My interpretation is difference:

> Only fools believe there is not God.

Apparently the world consists then of fools and morons and that makes

you a moron.

Anyway, it's not a question of belief: God doesn't exist and that's

it. Belief doesn't bring any gods into existance.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:37 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <xY7gi.7470$n9.4...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph"

>

> <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> >news:Jason-2506072216280001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

> > > In article <obWdnSoYvoJc6x3bnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@sti.net>, "David V."

> > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> Jason wrote:

> > >> > Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them

>

> > >> That's pretty sad, isn't it. In this supposedly advanced society

> > >> so many people still believe in a myth. It is really embarrassing

> > >> for our country. In no other advanced society, and many that

> > >> aren't so advanced, is there so much scientific ignorance as

> > >> there is here. 'Tis a very sad comment on our society.

>

> > > I disagree--I think that it's great news that so many people realize that

> > > God is watching over them and will even take them to heaven when they die.

> > > When Christian relatives and friends die, it's wonderful to realize that

> > > we will join them in heaven when we die. I am looking forward to seeing my

> > > parents and my sister when I make it to heaven.

> > > Jason

>

> > Won't happen Jason.

>

> I disagree.

And the fact that a complete moron disagrees with us is supposed to

sway us? We're at the point now where if you said the sky was blue

today in California we'd go check the international weather service to

see if you're telling the truth.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:40 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182874101.911955.323...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On 26 Jun., 02:25, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <1182814064.453751.298...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

>

> > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > > On 25 Jun., 21:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > > > In article <1182799149.323449.320...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob

> > snip

>

> > > > > My point is that various people rejected the evidence based upon

> what they

> > > > > already believe.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > > > Since there was no evidence to reject, you have no point. There was

> > > > hearsay testimony. How could the doctor or the person cured possibly

> > > > know it was a miracle. This has been asked in various ways repeated,

> > > > and you are still ignoring it.

>

> > > I understand your question. The doctor knew that William Kent had been in

> > > a wheel chair for several years. The doctor had X-Rays and medical records

> > > related to the reason William Kent was disabled. That same doctor heard

> > > Willam Kent's testimony related to his healing. That doctor examined

> > > William Kent and determined that he was no longer disabled and could walk

> > > normally. The doctor believed the testimony of William Kent related to the

> > > healing. Can William Kent or the doctor provide PROOF that God healed

> > > William Kent that would satisfy athiests? The answer is NO. Can Willam

> > > Kent and his doctor provide testimonies and statements that will convince

> > > other Christians and myself that William Kent was healed? The answer is

> > > Yes. Atheists do not believe the testimony of William Kent because of

> > > their belief system.

>

> > You have been told why we do not believe the testimony, which means

> > the above is a lie.

>

> > >Many Christians will believe the testimony of William

> > > Kent because of our belief system. I doubt that anyone will understand my

> > > point.-

>

> > Your point is that you have no evidence and you lie about it, making

> > it worse by accusing atheists of being as dishonest as you.

>

> Your belief system causes you to reject or not believe the testimonies of

> those people. My belief system causes me to accept and believe the

> testimonies.

Yes, exactly. The fact that you believe liars causes you to consider

their lies to be true.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:48 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <5eckphF387sl...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

> > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> >news:Jason-2506071757530001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

> > > In article <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> On Jun 26, 7:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > In article <1182812886.632371.303...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

> > >> > Martin

>

> > >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >> > > On Jun 26, 2:46 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > > > In article <1182769286.811353.191...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

> > > Martin

>

> > >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >> > > > > On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > > > > > In article

>

> > >> > <1182748554.698371.315...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> > >> > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > On Jun 25, 12:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > In article

>

> > >> > > > <1182735889.944828.206...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> > >> > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 9:35 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > > > In article

>

> > >> > <1182718201.208602.124...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

> > >> > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jun., 03:43, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In article

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <409r73h3qtei0prif7536hc0fu1h1p9...@4ax.com>,

> > >> > > > Free Lunch

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > snip

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason has spoken. All Arabic-speaking Christians

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > >> > > > worshipping

> > >> > > > > > > > a false

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > god because they use the word "Allah" when

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > referring

> > >> > to God.

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > >> > > > true God.-

> > >> > > > > > > > Skjul =

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Their Bibles are written in Arabic, in which the

> > >> > equivalent to the

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > English word "God" is "Allah". That would apply to

> > >> > > > Christian Arabs of

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > all sects. Furthermore the first Christians did not

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > call

> > >> > > > their god

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > "God", since "god" is an English word derived from

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > German.

> > >> > > > Apparently

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you think that only the English language Bibles are

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > valid.

> > >> > > > I am not

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > surprised.

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > > No, I do not believe that only Bibles written in

> > >> > > > > > > > > > English are

> > >> > > > valid. Even

> > >> > > > > > > > > > if Allah is the word that is used for God in Bibles

> > > written in

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Arabic--that is not a problem. After reading their

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Bibles,

> > >> > they will

> > >> > > > > > > > > > realize that the God mentioned in the Holy Bible is

> > > the true God

> > >> > > > > > and that

> > >> > > > > > > > > > the moon god is a false God.

>

> > >> > > > > > > > > Why doesn't Christian sun worship render it a pagam

> > >> > > > > > > > > religion

> > >> > in your

> > >> > > > > > > > > eyes?

>

> > >> > > > > > > > I don't know any Christians that worship the sun.

>

> > >> > > > > > > So why do Christians go to church on SUNday? Why don't they

> > >> > > > > > > go to

> > >> > > > > > > church on Saturday which is, according to the old testament,

> > > the day

> > >> > > > > > > to worship God, ie the Sabbath? Why do Christians ignore the

> > >> > > > > > > commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy?

>

> > >> > > > > > Some Christians (Seventh Day Adventist) do go to church on

> > >> > Saturday. Most

> > >> > > > > > Christians go to church on Sunday since it is the Lord's

> > >> > > > > > Day--the

> > >> > day that

> > >> > > > > > Jesus rose from the dead.

>

> > >> > > > > Read your Bible, Jason: Jesus was supposedly buried on a Friday

> > >> > > > > (the

> > >> > > > > day before the Jewish Sabbath) and it is said that he rose again

> > >> > > > > after

> > >> > > > > THREE DAYS. Three days after Friday is Monday, not Sunday,

> > >> > > > > Jason. No

> > >> > > > > wonder you only barely passed Math 101.

>

> > >> > > > I copied the following information from a book entitled, "The Bible

> > >> > > > Has

> > >> > > > the Answer" by Dr. Henry M. Morris

>

> > >> > > > "The worship on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor

> > >> > > > 16:2)

> > >> > > > follows the practice of the early Christians, who evidently began

> > >> > > > it in

> > >> > > > commemoration of Christ's resurrection on that day (Luke 24:1, John

> > >> > > > 20:

> > >> > > > 19, 26). That day is highly apropriate, since the completion of

> > > His great

> > >> > > > work of redemption was demonstred on that day...."

>

> > >> > > Thank you for proving that Henry Morris ia a liar whom you are

> > >> > > willing

> > >> > > to believe ahead of your own Bible.

>

> > >> > He mentioned scriptures from the Bible to support his statements.

>

> > >> Which doesn't change the fact that the Bible disagrees with him.

> > >> First look at Mark:

>

> > >> Mark 8:31: "And He [Jesus] began to teach them that the Son of Man

> > >> must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief

> > >> priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again."

>

> > >> Mark 9:31: "For He taught His disciples and said to them, `The Son of

> > >> Man is being delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him.

> > >> And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.' "

>

> > >> So if Jesus was buried on "Good" Friday then there is no way he could

> > >> have risen on Sunday. And it was supposedly Friday, the day before

> > >> the Sabbath according to John and Luke:

>

> > >> John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the

> > >> bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [for that Sabbath

> > >> was a high day).

>

> > >> Luke 23:56. The women ".. prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they

> > >> rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment "

>

> > >> Some have argued that a "day" meant 12 hours but Matthew makes it

> > >> clear that "three days" includes "three nights":

>

> > >> Matthew 12:40, "three days and three nights in the heart of the

> > >> earth."

>

> > >> Why are so you ignorant of what your Bible says, the book which you

> > >> claim to believe in?

>

> > >> Martin

>

> > > Martin,

> > > I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the tradition that

> > > Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find out the

> > > reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday.

>

> > Do you know where the word "Easter" came from?

>

> > Think "Pagan spring fertility festival".

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> I found this at Wikipedia:

>

> Easter, the Sunday of the Resurrection, Pascha, or Resurrection Day, is

> the most important religious feast of the Christian liturgical year,

> observed at some point between late March and late April each year (early

> April to early May in Eastern Christianity), following the cycle of the

> moon. It celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, which Christians believe

> occurred on the third day of his death by crucifixion some time in the

> period AD 27 to 33. Easter also refers to the season of the church year,

> called Eastertide or the Easter Season. Traditionally the Easter Season

> lasted for the forty days from Easter Day until Ascension Day but now

> officially lasts for the fifty days until Pentecost. The first week of the

> Easter Season is known as Easter Week or the Octave of Easter.

http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract1.html

"The first thing we must understand is that professing Christians were

not the only ones who celebrated a festival called "Easter."

"Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the

resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was

believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-

god.

In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the

grandson of one of Noah's son named Ham.

Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis.Cush and

Semiramis then had a son named him "Nimrod."

After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and

became a powerful King.

The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows:

"And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He

was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as

Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his

kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of

Shinar."

Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and

mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon.

Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in

pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom.

Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that

could not be found.

That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that

Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of

Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called

"Baal", the sun god.

Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal would be present on earth in

the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, when used in worship.

Semiramis was creating a mystery religion, and with the help of Satan,

she set herself up as a goddess.

Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.

She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day

cycle and ovulated when full.

She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon

egg that fell into the Euphrates River.

This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the

spring equinox.

Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and

her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."

Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the

sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive.

The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.

Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became

sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the

son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a

hunter.

The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.

Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his

father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers

in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.

Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the "Mother of God and Queen of

Heaven", continued to build her mystery religion.

The queen told the worshippers that when Tammuz was killed by the wild

pig, some of his blood fell on the stump of an evergreen tree, and the

stump grew into a full new tree overnight. This made the evergreen

tree sacred by the blood of Tammuz.

She also proclaimed a forty day period of time of sorrow each year

prior to the anniversary of the death of Tammuz.

During this time, no meat was to be eaten.

Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and

Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as

they worshipped.

They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a "T" or cross on the

top.

Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the

spring equinox, a celebration was made.

It was Ishtar's Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs.

Ishtar also proclaimed that because Tammuz was killed by a pig, that a

pig must be eaten on that Sunday.

By now, the readers of this tract should have made the connection that

paganism has infiltrated the contemporary "Christian" churches, and

further study indicates that this paganism came in by way of the Roman

Catholic System.

The truth is that Easter has nothing whatsoever to do with the

resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the

Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday

after the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Some have wondered why the word "Easter" is in the the King James

Bible.

It is because Acts, chapter 12, tells us that it was the evil King

Herod, who was planning to celebrate Easter, and not the Christians.

The true Passover and pagan Easter sometimes coincide, but in some

years, they are a great distance apart.

So much more could be said, and we have much more information for you,

if you are a seeker of the truth.

We know that the Bible tells us in John 4:24, "God is a spirit: and

they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The truth is that the forty days of Lent, eggs, rabbits,hot cross buns

and the Easter ham have everything to do with the ancient pagan

religion of Mystery Babylon.These are all antichrist activities!

Satan is a master deceiver, and has filled the lives of well-meaning,

professing Christians with idolatry.

These things bring the wrath of God upon children of disobedience, who

try to make pagan customs of Baal worship Christian.

You must answer for your activities and for what you teach your

children.

These customs of Easter honor Baal, who is also Satan, and is still

worshipped as the "Rising Sun" and his house is the "House of the

Rising Sun."

How many churches have "sunrise services" on Ishtar's day and face the

rising sun in the East?

How many will use colored eggs and rabbit stories, as they did in

ancient Babylon?"

Of course, as usual, the Bible gets it wrong: there's no way that the

father of Tammuz was the grandson of Noah because the Sumerian King

List makes it clear that Tammuz lived before their great flood.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:54 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> Why is there a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim mosque in

> the world?

Why does a halo appear on the head of every saint in pictures? Why

does sun symbolism continue to the present day on robes, banners,

icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the

heart of Jesus, etc.? Who do priests bow and kiss a monstrance which

is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions? Why do

Christians go to church on Sunday when the old testament claimed that

Jesus would rise after three days, ie three days after Friday and

therefore on Monday?

Answer the damn questions, Jason.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:57 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> Why is the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim Mosque in the

> world?

Why does a halo appear on the head of every saint in pictures? Why

does sun symbolism continue to the present day on robes, banners,

icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the

heart of Jesus, etc.? Who do priests bow and kiss a monstrance which

is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions? Why do

Christians go to church on Sunday when the old testament claimed that

Jesus would rise after three days, ie three days after Friday and

therefore on Monday?

Answer the damn questions, Jason.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 3:10 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> I continue to believe that the citizens of a state should have a voice in

> deciding education policy. That is far better than unelected evolutionists

> deciding education policy by taking states to court if they disagree with

> how states are deciding education policy.

You're taking a stand against academic freedom.

academic freedom

-noun 1. freedom of a teacher to discuss or investigate any

controversial social, economic, or political problems without

interference or penalty from officials, organized groups, etc.

2. freedom of a student to explore any field or hold any belief

without interference from the teacher.

Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary,

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 3:18 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <f5rnk0$40...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

>

> <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> > Bob T. wrote:

> > > On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> In article <1182770555.111873.24...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> > >> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >>> On Jun 25, 2:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >>>> In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob

> > >>>> T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

> > >>>>> On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >>>>>> In article

>

> <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob

>

> > >>>>>> T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

> > >>>>>>> On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >>>>>>>> Here is some information about the Christians in Iran.

> > >>>>>>> <snip article>

> > >>>>>>> Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious nutcases

> > >>>>>>> are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that

> > >>>>>>> America was more like Iran.

> > >>>>>>> - Bob T.

> > >>>>>> Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Christians.

> > >>>>> Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious

> > >>>>> fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim

> > >>>>> religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would

> > >>>>> be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knocking on

> > >>>>> our door at any moment to check on our sex lives.

> > >>>>> I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom,

> > >>>>> including freedom from religion.

> > >>>>> - Bob T.

> > >>>> I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take

> > >>>> over the world--one country at a time.

> > >>> Oddly enough I don't see that many Muslim missionaries today. How

> > >>> many countries have muslims invaded over the past ten years? None.

> > >>> How many muslim countries has the US invaded over the past ten years?

> > >>> Two.

> > >>> If at all possible, try to make statements actually supported by

> > >>> facts, Jason.

> > >>> Martin

> > >> Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the

> > >> leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from

> > >> their countries--Bush would do it.

>

> > > <snicker> No, he wouldn't.

>

> > He didn't listen when they asked him not to invade (at least in Iraq's

> > case, he didn't. I'm not saying if the invasion was right or wrong;

> > simply pointing out that it was against the wishes of the then-current

> > leader(s) of the country.) so why would he listen when they ask him to

> > leave?

>

> In Iraq--the current leaders are different than the former leaders.

Think about how that happened.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 4:16 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182887737.836228.164...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

>

> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On 26 Jun., 02:57, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> > > snip

>

> > > Martin,

> > > I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the tradition that

> > > Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find out the

> > > reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday.

> > > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > And, according to your "logic", Christians must be pagans, since the

> > word "Easter" comes from the name of a pagan goddess.

>

> This is from Wikipedia: