Evolution is Just Junk Science

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 9:06 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <Fzigi.138$ca...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph"

> <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The Hindu's believe that their story of religious beginnings should be

> > taught, Should we do this? What if they are in the majority, do we teach it

> > then?

>

> Excellent point--I doubt if any school board would do it. If I lived in

> that district, I would write a letter to each member of the school board

> and ask them to vote NO.

Presumably you believe that only Christians have this right.

Martin

June 27, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <1182911634.201159.300140@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> On Jun 27, 1:43 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>> In article <EU7gi.7357$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph"

>>> <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:Jason-2506072227160001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

>>>>> In article

>>>>> <DipthotDipthot-1DEF3B.19130325062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

>>>>> 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>>>>>> In article

>>>>>> <Jason-2506071217400...@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,

>>>>>> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>>>>>> I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the

> people that

>>>>>>> live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools

>>>>>> Scientific truth is not a popularity contest.

>>>>>> The masses, on average, are not too bright. Do you want that kind of

>>>>>> mediocre thinking foisted on our young?

>>>>>> Of course you do. And that's called thought control.

>>>>> I would much prefer the citizens of Ohio electing politicians that

> will do

>>>>> what the citizens of Ohio want them to do related to education

> policy than

>>>>> to have a group of unelected evolutionists deciding education policy.

>>>>> jason

>>>> Still prefer to remain scientifically illiterate, I see.

>>> If we trust them to elect members of Congress and serve on juries--we

>>> should trust them to elect the members of school boards and the state

>>> secratary of education. None of the these things matter--since the

>>> evolutionists will take the states to court if those elected

>>> representatives attempted to authorize the teaching of ID. In other words,

>>> unelected evolutionists are deciding school curriculum instead the

>>> politicians that represent the interests of the people that elected them.

>> Having scientists decide what should be taught in science class is

>> entirely appropriate, Jason. I've never been in a situation where I

>> couldn't teach whatever I wanted in a science class, not even in

>> Catholic Philippines.

>>

>> Martin

>

> Martin,

> That's easy for you but imagine what it must be like for Science professor

> that is an advocate of Creation Science. Such a professor is NOT allowed

> to teach whatever he wanted in a science class.

> Jason

>

Let those professors teach at ICR.

June 27, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <8di383tk4k8aadt0l1ac85ua22n1mmct4f@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

> <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>

>> In alt.atheism On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:02:36 -0700, Jason@nospam.com

>> (Jason) let us all know that:

>>

>>> In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish

>>> <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Jason wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the

>>>>> child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her

> grandmother was

>>>>> lying in a casket buried in the dirt.

>>>> It also seems that the child would be even more comforted

>>>> with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise

>>>> children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to

>>>> be adults with poorly developed minds.

>>> You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the child

>>> that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the casket

>>> that was buried in the dirt.

>> It's better to have the truth than a comfortable lie, don't

>> you agree? Comfortable lies come back to bite you later in life.

>>

>> Don

>> ---

>> aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde

>> Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

>>

>> "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"

>> Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

>

> Christians do not consider it a lie.

>

And yet, Jason, you want to usurp my rights and my childrens' rights to

a secular education.

June 27, 2007

In article <1182926144.148395.258680@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin

Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism

> > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > <Jason-2606071314370...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>:

>

> > >What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this one:

> >

> > >I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven?

>

> The truth, that Heaven doesn't exist. Children have the right to have

> the truth told to them and not have lies told to them. I won't tell

> young children that your god is watching them and I won't tell them

> that Santa Claus is watching them either

>

> Martin

Martin,

I have never an attended a funeral for an atheist. Perhaps the person in

charge of the funeral would say something like:

"He was a wonderful person. In about 100 years, his body will be nothing

but dust and that will be the end of his existence."

June 27, 2007

In article <4681ff34$0$4895$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher

Morris" <Draccus@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> "Martin" <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1182923304.937231.243630@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> > On Jun 27, 8:02 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> >> In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish

> >>

> >> <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:

> >> > Jason wrote:

> >>

> >> > > It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that

> >> > > the

> >> > > child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her

> >> > > grandmother was

> >> > > lying in a casket buried in the dirt.

> >>

> >> > It also seems that the child would be even more comforted

> >> > with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise

> >> > children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to

> >> > be adults with poorly developed minds.

> >>

> >> You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the child

> >> that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the

> >> casket

> >> that was buried in the dirt.

> >

> > Children can accept the truth. Why can't you?

> >

> > Martin

>

> Martin, now you are going beyond the realms of science and into the realms

> of philosophy and religion, which is something, science is not good at

> doing. Since we have nothing we can say scientifically on what happens after

> death, it is not possible for anyone to say. It is the forts of religion and

> philosophy to ponder that which comes after and to give comfort to those who

> remain behind. As an atheist you do not believe anything is beyond death,

> but for the most of the world and throughout history of mankind this has not

> been the case. Since there is no ways of knowing one ways or another, why

> would you insist that your thoughts are the final word on the subject? We

> have all chastised Jason for trying to make science and religion mix it is

> no more right for you to mix religion and science.

Christopher,

Thanks for an interesting post. You expressed your point of view really well.

Jason

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 9:53 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <erf383hnaoudjn7p9mi00r176v0s3jt...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

>

> <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:00:54 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism

> > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > <Jason-2606071800540...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>:

> > >In article <94d3831grleibf822h2qbv62bcl55gj...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> > ><l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

> > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:16:46 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism

> > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > >> <Jason-2606071316460...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>:

> > >> >In article <1182887737.836228.164...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

> > >> >gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

>

> > >> >> On 26 Jun., 02:57, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > >> >> > In article

>

> <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> > >> >> > snip

>

> > >> >> > Martin,

> > >> >> > I recall learning that Easter Sunday was derived from the

> tradition that

> > >> >> > Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. Google "Easter Sunday" to find

> > >out the

> > >> >> > reason it is called Easter Sunday and not Easter Monday.

> > >> >> > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > >> >> And, according to your "logic", Christians must be pagans, since the

> > >> >> word "Easter" comes from the name of a pagan goddess.

>

> > >> >This is from Wikipedia:

>

> > >> >Easter, the Sunday of the Resurrection, Pascha, or Resurrection Day, is

> > >> >the most important religious feast of the Christian liturgical year,

> > >> >observed at some point between late March and late April each year (early

> > >> >April to early May in Eastern Christianity), following the cycle of the

> > >> >moon. It celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, which Christians believe

> > >> >occurred on the third day of his death by crucifixion some time in the

> > >> >period AD 27 to 33. Easter also refers to the season of the church year,

> > >> >called Eastertide or the Easter Season. Traditionally the Easter Season

> > >> >lasted for the forty days from Easter Day until Ascension Day but now

> > >> >officially lasts for the fifty days until Pentecost. The first week of the

> > >> >Easter Season is known as Easter Week or the Octave of Easter.

>

> > >> >Today many families celebrate Easter in a completely secular way, as a

> > >> >non-religious holiday.

>

> > >> But the _name_ was still adopted from a secular fertility festival.

>

> > >Have you noticed that there are no more posts from people trying to

> > >convince me that Jesus rose from the dead on Monday?

>

> > That was completely off the way.

>

> > Yes, the Bible itself says that Jesus did not stay dead for three days.

> > So, tell me, what did Jesus predict?

>

> He stated lots of things--he did say that he would rise from the dead.

> Provide a verse--if you are referring to a certain thing that he stated.

Either you are completely dishonest or you have no memory of what

you've read.

> In article <1182816528.662652.63...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > First look at Mark:

> > Mark 8:31: "And He [Jesus] began to teach them that the Son of Man

> > must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief

> > priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again."

> > Mark 9:31: "For He taught His disciples and said to them, `The Son of

> > Man is being delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him.

> > And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.' "

> > So if Jesus was buried on "Good" Friday then there is no way he could

> > have risen on Sunday. And it was supposedly Friday, the day before

> > the Sabbath according to John and Luke:

> > John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the

> > bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [for that Sabbath

> > was a high day).

> > Luke 23:56. The women ".. prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they

> > rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment "

> > Some have argued that a "day" meant 12 hours but Matthew makes it

> > clear that "three days" includes "three nights":

> > Matthew 12:40, "three days and three nights in the heart of the

> > earth."

Martin

June 27, 2007

In article <1182926393.257357.290400@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin

Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jun 27, 8:52 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> > Sorry--I was under the impression that school boards and the state

> > sectratary of education made decisions as to what courses should be

> > taught.

>

> No, Jason, it's qualified teachers who make these decisions. The

> school board's only responsibility is to ensure that the curriculum

> meets the standards necessary for university admittance. Indirectly,

> it is the content of univerisity courses that determine what needs to

> be taught at the high school level.

>

> Martin

Martin,

That makes sense.

Jason

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 10:06 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> Google "moon god".

Why does a halo appear on the head of every saint in pictures? Why

does sun symbolism continue to the present day on robes, banners,

icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the

heart of Jesus, etc.? Who do priests bow and kiss a monstrance which

is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions? Why do

Christians go to church on Sunday when the old testament claimed that

Jesus would rise after three days, ie three days after Friday and

therefore on Monday?

Answer the damn questions, Jason.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:11 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182915204.792299.46...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 3:10 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> > > I continue to believe that the citizens of a state should have a voice in

> > > deciding education policy. That is far better than unelected evolutionists

> > > deciding education policy by taking states to court if they disagree with

> > > how states are deciding education policy.

>

> > You're taking a stand against academic freedom.

>

> > academic freedom

> > -noun 1. freedom of a teacher to discuss or investigate any

> > controversial social, economic, or political problems without

> > interference or penalty from officials, organized groups, etc.

> > 2=2E freedom of a student to explore any field or hold any belief

> > without interference from the teacher.

> > Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc.

> > 2006.

>

> > academic freedom

> > n=2E Liberty to teach, pursue, and discuss knowledge without

> > restriction or interference, as by school or public officials.

> > The American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth

> > Edition

> > Copyright =A9 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

>

> > academic freedom

> > noun

> > the freedom of teachers and students to express their ideas in school

> > without religious or political or institutional restrictions

> > WordNet=AE 3.0, =A9 2006 by Princeton University.

>

> > academic freedom

> > The right of teachers and students to express their ideas in the

> > classroom or in writing, free from political, religious, or

> > institutional restrictions, even if these ideas are unpopular.

> > The American Heritage=AE New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third

> > Edition

> > Copyright =A9 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

> In the county that I lived, the members of the school board were elected

> by the people that lived in that county. The teachers did not have control

> over the schools. The people in that county indirectly controlled the

> schools in that county by their votes. It appears to me that evolutionists

> want to control the schools. I continue to believe the people that live in

> a county or city should have a say (eg votes) in how the schools are run.

> Do you agree or disagree?

Of course I disagree! Teachers are honour bound to tell students the

truth! They should not be dictated to by school or local public

officials as to what gets taught in class! Their only concern should

be whether or not the course content satisfies the entrance

requirements of local universities and, frankly, the teachers

themselves (assuming they are qualified to teach the subject in

question in teh first place) are better qualified to determine whether

they are!

I am a strong advocate of educational institutions hiring qualified

teachers and then giving them the academic freedom to teach the

subject they were hired to teach. No state curriculum is going to

automatically meet the needs of local students, especially if the

teachers they hire are not qualified to implement them!

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:21 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182912658.981044.211...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 2:10 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <1182873615.385634.169...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

> > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > > On 26 Jun., 02:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > > > In article <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

> Martin

>

> > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > > > > What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth was

> > > > > > flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd quit

> > > > > > outright. Their loss.

>

> > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established curriculum in a

> > > > > state school should quit.

>

> > > > I didn't think you would answer the question. Apparently you are

> > > > afraid of it just like all the others you ignore.

>

> > > I did provide an answer--perhaps you were not satisfied with my

> > > answer--but I did provide an answer.

>

> > I agree. You said that if the established curriculum stated that the

> > Earth were flat then you, as a teacher, would feel honour bound to

> > teach that. This is precisely why you should not presume to "teach",

> > especially to young kids.

> If I was employed as a teacher, I would follow the established curriculum.

> I would quit my job if the established curriculum required me to teach

> that the earth was flat.

Then you understand how qualified science teachers would react to any

school board that wanted then to "teach" ID.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:30 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182914771.873163.36...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 2:54 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> > > Why is there a symbol of a crescent moon on top of every Muslim mosque in

> > > the world?

>

> > Why does a halo appear on the head of every saint in pictures? Why

> > does sun symbolism continue to the present day on robes, banners,

> > icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the

> > heart of Jesus, etc.? Who do priests bow and kiss a monstrance which

> > is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions? Why do

> > Christians go to church on Sunday when the old testament claimed that

> > Jesus would rise after three days, ie three days after Friday and

> > therefore on Monday?

>

> > Answer the damn questions, Jason.

>

> I am not a Catholic so as a result have never done any research regarding

> Catholics. I don't why artists painted halos on the heads of saints.

> Perhaps it was part of the culture or a rule established by a Pope. You

> may want to visit the art department and ask that question to the

> professor that teaches courses related to the history of art.

I don't have to. The halos were placed on the heads of saints in

honour of the Roman pagan sun god Helios. Other sun symbolism used by

early Christianity was also in honour of their sun god.

> I suggest

> that you visit Wikipedia and type "Easter Sunday". It clearly states that

> Christ rose from the dead on Sunday.

But that's completely disregards what Jesus said about rising "after

three days". Was Jesus lying (again)?

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:36 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182912481.204273.80...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 2:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <jp3283pji9203fg6293kfgmbpvrq443...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein

> > > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:04:24 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com

> > > > (Jason) in

> > > > <Jason-2506071804250...@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:

>

> > > > [snip]

>

> > > > >No--but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding

> > > > >school curriculum.

>

> > > > And they do, in every state even.

>

> > > > >In this case over 60% of those people want both ID and

> > > > >evolution to be taught.

>

> > > > I'll bite: what would the ID curriculum consist of? I guess that you

> > > > have not actually followed the Ohio situation. The state did decide to

> > > > teach ID and then ran into a serious problem: there is nothing to

> > > > teach. Nothing . The Discovery Institute, the major promoters of ID,

> > > > have said that they never meant for anyone to actually teach ID (even

> > > > though they called for teaching ID for years), they want schools to

> > > > "teach the controversy". It is an amusing idea: they have no content

> > > > to present, but they want the schools to teach a controversy over that

> > > > (non-existent) content.

>

> > > > So, please, tell me what would actually get taught in an Intelligent

> > > > Design course. I will help you get started: tell us what "Intelligent"

> > > > means, tell us what "Design" means, tell us how to detect intelligence

> > > > and design, tell us who the designers were, tell us when the designers

> > > > acted, tell us what the designers did, tell us what tools the

> > > > designers used, tell us something about the designers goals. That is,

> > > > answer any of those questions or, at the very least, give us a clue

> > > > on how someone would go about learning the answers to those questions.

> > > > I am sorry, Jason, but there is no ID to teach.

>

> > > The teachers would use a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People" which

> > > has no Biblical content.

>

> > And no science content.

>

> > If I were a high school principal, I would not hire anyone who thought

> > an "intelligent designer" created mankind and I would fire anybody who

> > would bring such nonsense into a science classroom. I'd replace that

> > person with a qualified teacher immediately. Nobody should call

> > themselves a "teacher" and lie to young kids. It's disgraceful!

>

> I don't know whether or not such a teacher could file a religious

> discrimination lawsuit. Teachers may not be allowed to teach ID but they

> are allowed to be Christians.

They are required to be qualified science teachers.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:42 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182911634.201159.300...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 1:43 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <EU7gi.7357$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph"

> > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> > > >news:Jason-2506072227160001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

> > > > > In article

> > > > > <DipthotDipthot-1DEF3B.19130325062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

> > > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>

> > > > >> In article

> > > > >> <Jason-2506071217400...@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,

> > > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> > > > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the

> people that

> > > > >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the public schools

>

> > > > >> Scientific truth is not a popularity contest.

>

> > > > >> The masses, on average, are not too bright. Do you want that kind of

> > > > >> mediocre thinking foisted on our young?

>

> > > > >> Of course you do. And that's called thought control.

>

> > > > > I would much prefer the citizens of Ohio electing politicians that

> will do

> > > > > what the citizens of Ohio want them to do related to education

> policy than

> > > > > to have a group of unelected evolutionists deciding education policy.

> > > > > jason

>

> > > > Still prefer to remain scientifically illiterate, I see.

>

> > > If we trust them to elect members of Congress and serve on juries--we

> > > should trust them to elect the members of school boards and the state

> > > secratary of education. None of the these things matter--since the

> > > evolutionists will take the states to court if those elected

> > > representatives attempted to authorize the teaching of ID. In other words,

> > > unelected evolutionists are deciding school curriculum instead the

> > > politicians that represent the interests of the people that elected them.

>

> > Having scientists decide what should be taught in science class is

> > entirely appropriate, Jason. I've never been in a situation where I

> > couldn't teach whatever I wanted in a science class, not even in

> > Catholic Philippines.

> That's easy for you but imagine what it must be like for Science professor

> that is an advocate of Creation Science. Such a professor is NOT allowed

> to teach whatever he wanted in a science class.

Nor could a Muslim science teacher teach about the Quran in a science

class. There is no contradiction here.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:49 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182926144.148395.258...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin

>

> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism

> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > <Jason-2606071314370...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>:

>

> > > >What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like this one:

>

> > > >I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven?

>

> > The truth, that Heaven doesn't exist. Children have the right to have

> > the truth told to them and not have lies told to them. I won't tell

> > young children that your god is watching them and I won't tell them

> > that Santa Claus is watching them either

>

> > Martin

>

> Martin,

> I have never an attended a funeral for an atheist. Perhaps the person in

> charge of the funeral would say something like:

>

> "He was a wonderful person. In about 100 years, his body will be nothing

> but dust and that will be the end of his existence."

This verse will apply to every one in this world without fail.

No one can be laid outside of your last sentence, be he/she a god-

believer or not !

If you say otherwise, then you are lying.

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:48 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182911724.230962.192...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 1:47 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <5eclv9F38b9m...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> > > <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

> > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> > > >news:Jason-2506072238410001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

> > > > > In article <1182828376.590242.59...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

> Martin

> > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > > >> On Jun 26, 9:12 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > > >> > In article <yAZfi.7126$n9.6...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph"

> > > > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> > > > >> > >news:Jason-2406071818230001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...

> > > > >> > > > In article

>

> <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

> > > > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>

> > > > >> > > >> In article

> > > > >> > > >> <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,

> > > > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> > > > >> > > >> > I want to make it legal for teachers

> > > > >> > > >> > to teach ID

>

> > > > >> > > >> But it is legal to do that...

>

> > > > >> > > >> ... in a comparative religions, class, for example.

>

> > > > >> > > >> So what's your problem?

>

> > > > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of

> > > > >> > > > course,

> > > > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes.

>

> > > > >> > > Tell me Jason, just how would you propose teaching ID as science?

> > > > > Please be

> > > > >> > > specific in your reply.

>

> > > > >> > Teachers and students would use the textbook "Of Pandas and People"

> > > > >> > which

> > > > >> > has no Biblical content.

>

> > > > >> It also has no scientific content. And you can't argue that it does

> > > > >> because you've never seen it.

>

> > > > > That's true--just a book review.

>

> > > > How can you advocate something you haven't even bothered to read?

>

> > > Since I know the basics of creation...

>

> > So you, Jason, consider yourself qualified to teach a science class?

> > That's exactly the kind of travesty we want to avoid.

> No--I don't have a degree in science. A graduate of the ICR college could

> teach a science class.

No, a graduate of ICR college wouldn't even be qualified to teach

science to kindergarten children.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 12:54 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182913159.985342.95...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory explains the

> > > facts that are backed up with evidence.

>

> > Remember this the next time you claim there is no evidence supporting

> > evolution.

>

> I have stated in other posts that I support Natural Selection.

Then you support the theory of evolution and admit that there are

facts supporting it, facts backed up by actual evidence. Good.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 1:10 pm, gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On 26 Jun., 22:28, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:> In article <1182888536.294395.68...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

>

> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

>

> snip

>

> > > > Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque?- Skjul=

> > > tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

>

> > > Why do Christians celebrate a holiday named after a pagan goddess?

>

> > You failed to answer the above question.

>

> I will try again (not that it will make any difference). Neither

> Christians or Moslems worship pagan deities. Both Christians and

> Moslems have both names and symbols derived from such worship. Try

> and see if you can understand that.

There's no significant difference between pagan religions and either

of the world's currently most popular religions.

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:07 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1182923304.937231.243...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin

> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > On Jun 27, 8:02 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDin...@comcast.com>, John Popelish

>

> > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:

> > > > Jason wrote:

>

> > > > > It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the

> > > > > child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her

> grandmother was

> > > > > lying in a casket buried in the dirt.

>

> > > > It also seems that the child would be even more comforted

> > > > with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise

> > > > children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to

> > > > be adults with poorly developed minds.

>

> > > You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the child

> > > that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the casket

> > > that was buried in the dirt.

>

> > Children can accept the truth. Why can't you?

>

> I can. Christians believe there is a heaven.

You forgot the word "but" as in "I can believe the truth but

Christianity requires me to believe lies instead."

Martin

June 27, 2007

On Jun 27, 2:10 pm, "Christopher Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com>

wrote:

> "Martin" <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message