Guest Mike Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <1182748430.220459.112570@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> In article <1182735702.411891.128...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Jun 25, 9:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was >>>>> proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> Correction: you would never believe that life could evolve from non- >>>> life even though it has been proved to you that it could happen in a >>>> scientific experiment. You've admitted that no amount of evidence >>>> would change your mind so don't lie about that now (yet again). >>> I am not qualified to judge experiments. >> Then stop pretending you are. >> >>> For example, if the scientists >>> added DNA from a frog to the experiment, I doubt that would qualify. I >>> would trust the judgements of the science professors that are employed by >>> ICR's college. If they were able to repeat the experiment, I would believe >>> that life could evolve from non-life. Also, if I read an article about the >>> experiment in a magazine such as National Geographic >> You do realize that there are legitamate scientific journals out there >> besides National Geographic, don't you? >> >> Martin > > That is true. National Geographic is much easier for me to buy than a > scientific journal. And it has pretty pictures to boot. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > > I have attended funerals and Christian preachers usually point out to the > relatives that the dead relative is in heaven. The preachers say it > because they believe it. I also believe that my parents and my sister are > in heaven and I am looking forward to seeing them when I make it to > heaven. I remember at the service at my grandmother's grave site, we have a minister to keep my religious aunt and uncle happy. When he referred to my grandmother as a "poor sinner", I wanted to punch him in the mouth. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip a secular education. > > Don't worry--as of now--the evolutionists are winning all of the court > cases. They don't want any competition. No, they don't want wishful fantasies taught as science. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > > No--the typical communist has this point of view about religion: > > Religion is the opiate of the masses. What makes you think you know what a typical communist thinks? BTW, atheism doesn't equal communism. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > I already know the basics of creation science and ID. Yep - God did it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand your point. > The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had no > religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job the next > time. How can they? All ID is is "God did it". -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <cvKdnYsvxLEzzeLbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <zJKdnaSxytuApOLbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish >>> <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <7Y-dncX-Q9ZSueLbnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish >>>>> <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life unless it was >>>>>>> proved to me that it could happen in a scientific experiment. >>>>>> Sorry, but, based on what you have already written, I don't >>>>>> believe you. >>>>>> >>>>>> If scientists, someday, put chemicals into an experiment and >>>>>> a demonstrably living, reproducing things resulted, I am >>>>>> predicting that you would say that now they have to >>>>>> replicate the origin of some living thing you are familiar >>>>>> with, like a goldfish, or a man, before you could believe >>>>>> that those things have a natural, non miraculous, origin. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope that someday, soon I get to test this prediction. >>>>> No--I would believe it-- if I could see living cells under a microscope. >>>> Nobody says they would be cells. Cells are the result of >>>> the last time natural causes brought forth life, on this >>>> planet. And those cells have been very efficient, ever >>>> since, at consuming energy rich molecules for their >>>> metabolism, making it very unlikely that other, completely >>>> novel forms of life will ever get a chance to form here. >>>> But in the lab, protected from the appetites of existing >>>> living forms, nobody knows what other possibilities might >>>> unfold. Cells have proved to be a very versatile and >>>> functional vehicle for life, but we don't know if other >>>> structures, based on other chemistry can live. But this >>>> while area or abiogenesis research is very interesting to me. >>>> >>>> If we find novel forms of living chemistry on other planets, >>>> it will help to give us a better idea what the possibilities >>>> for living systems might include. Right now, we have >>>> essentially a single family tree to observe, and though some >>>> of our cousins are pretty weird, all have a distinct family >>>> resemblance at the biochemical level. >>>> >>>>> The experiment would have to be "repeatable" by any scientist including >>>>> science professors that are employed by the ICR college. >>>> It would be some of the first science they have ever done. >>>> I would trust people who have been doing biochemical science >>>> for a long time, a lot more. What research results have ICR >>>> professors ever produced? They appear to be strictly a >>>> propaganda machine, defending creation dogma. Have they >>>> done any experiments that miraculously create life? >>> As I told another poster, I would believe the results of such an >>> experiment if I read about it in National Geographic. >> I think that is progress. If it ever happens you will read >> about it everywhere. High school students will be trying to >> repeat it to win the science fair prize. It will be about >> as big a story as the first Moon landing. >> >>> ICR does research projects--mainly related to fossils and rock formations >>> at the Grand Canyon. One of their researchers has a doctorate in geology >>> from Penn State. He has led 15 research expeditions to the Grand Canyon. >> Speaking of the Grand canyon, I live in Virginia, and heard >> about the isotopic analysis of the sand layers that make up >> the walls of the Grand Canyon. This analysis pretty >> conclusively demonstrates that a large part of that sand >> started out as part of the western side of the Blue ridge >> mountains in Virginia, when they must have been much larger >> than the Rocky mountains are, now. The rounded bumps >> remaining are just the cores of those once majestic >> mountains. With ion probe microscopes, electron microscopes >> and mass spectrometers and other high tech equipment, a lot >> of information can be pulled from a single grain of sand. >> It is amazing, the information that can be extracted from >> rocks, now, besides fossils. >> >>> The science professors that work at the ICR college could easily repeat >>> such an experiment. They would write an article and publish it in the ICR >>> newsletter. >> I hope to see that, someday. > > Thanks for the information re: the Grand Canyon. > > Yes, such an experiment would make the news. I doubt that it will ever > happen. If it was easy--someone would have already done it. Overheard in 1900: If it was easy to make a controllable plane, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1903.) 1944: It it was easy to make an atomic bomb, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1945.) 1910: If it was easy to make an assembly line, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1913.) 1965: if it was easy to make an ATM, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1968.) 1798: if it was easy to make an electric battery, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1800.) 1945: if it was easy to make cat litter, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1947.) 1865: if it was easy to make reinforced concrete, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1867.) 1887: if it was easy to make an electric chair, someone would have already done it. (happened in 1888.) Seeing a pattern here? Quote
Guest The Chief Instigator Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes: >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >snip >> No--the typical communist has this point of view about religion: >> Religion is the opiate of the masses. >What makes you think you know what a typical communist thinks? What makes him think, in the first place? >BTW, atheism doesn't equal communism. I won't mention that my degree is in Russian Studies (UHouston, 1977), and despite being atheist and still speaking a bit of Russian, I've never been a communist. (Not that that will make any impression on him.) -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15) NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA Quote
Guest Bob T. Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Jun 26, 11:25 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <4681fb79$0$30597$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher > > > > > > Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:Jason-2606072216110001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > > In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein > > > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com > > >> (Jason) in > > >> <Jason-2606072112370...@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > > > >> >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mg...@4ax.com>, Matt > > >> >Silberstein > > >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com > > >> >> (Jason) in > > >> >> <Jason-2606071749330...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > > > >> >> [snip] > > > >> >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio > > >> >> >wanted > > >> >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. > > > >> >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? > > > >> >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. > > > >> And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the curriculum. > > > >> I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint about > > >> legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s pretty much with > > >> Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained about the > > >> Court making law what they specifically meant was when the Court ruled > > >> that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. > > > > Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand your point. > > > The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had no > > > religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job the next > > > time. > > > Jason > > > Jason Brown had nothing to do with ID especially since ID was not thought up > > yet as a new lie for Creationism. Now more to the point of the case if and > > when the ID people come up with an actual scientific theory it can be > > considered as being taught in classrooms, but they do not even claim they > > have that. They have nothing to teach not a thing is was all a scam and now > > they are looking for their next scam and next group of marks to pull it on. > > Try not and be among the marks this time for these conmen in labcoats they > > are trying to sell you snake oil. > > I hope that the people in the ID movement do a better job during the next > court case. It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the > children will realize that ID makes more sense than evolution so they will > spend millions to keep any school systems from teaching ID. If they were > really sure that evolution would win the competition--they would not be > concerned if it was taught in the public schools. You have said this before, and it is nonsense. We don't want ID taught in our schools for two reasons: 1) It is religion, not science. 2) It is not true. Do you want your children taught that Thor uses his mighty hammer to make the thunder? Why not? Is it because you are afraid that children will realize that "Thor's hammer makes more sense than meteorology"? Of course not - you don't want your children taught about Thor for two reasons: 1) Norse mythology is a religious belief, not science. 2) Norse mythology is not true. - Bob T. Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <9aqdnXSNaY9puuLbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> I would never believe that life could evolve from non-life >>> unless it was proved to me that it could happen in a >>> scientific experiment. >> Yet you firmly believe in a god that has even less evidence and >> no proof. > > I have seen evidence that has convinced me but various posters have made > it clear to me that the evidence that I produced did not convince them > that there is a God. > > I am referring to the testimonies of William Kent (he no longer needs a > wheel chair) and Cheryl Prewitt (her leg bone grew 2 inches). I googled > "miracle healings" and read about dozens of other cases that provided > evidence. You won't believe that scientists created life unless you "could see living cells under a microscope" but yet you'll believe this miraculous claim of a leg growing 2 inches based simply on "she told me it did." Can we say "double standard?" Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 johac wrote: > In article <juOdnXAbp-cADOPbnZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@comcast.com>, > John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On 23 Jun., 20:09, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> (snip) >>>> Keep posting here long enough, and you will join their ranks. >>> There is a good chance he will encourage other theists to become >>> atheists. One might suspect that he was hired by the EEC (which >>> doesn't exist of course) to pretend to be a theist. >> He works hard for the money. > > EEC? Evil Existentialist Conspiracy? I wonder if Jean-Paul Sartre knows > about it. No, no, no! It's the Evil Evolutionists Conspiracy. sheesh Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In alt.atheism On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mgn5s@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) in >> <Jason-2606071749330001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio wanted >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. >> >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? > >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. But the majority rules, right? Just like with teaching creationism. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 03:12, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <roc383hj739l9d8vjqnceq3nslgetmm...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:53:44 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote in > > <1182873224.668805.269...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>: > > >On 26 Jun., 01:46, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> In article <1182812406.148531.4...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > > >> gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> > On 25 Jun., 08:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> > > In article > > <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > >> > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > >> > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> > > > > In article > > <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "= > > > > > > > >> > Bob > > > >> > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > >> > > > > > <snip article> > > > >> > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious > nutcases > > >> > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wish that > > >> > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > >> > > > > > - Bob T. > > > >> > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were > Christians. > > > >> > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstitious > > >> > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under Muslim > > >> > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision would > > >> > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition > knocking on > > >> > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > >> > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of freedom, > > >> > > > including freedom from religion. > > > >> > > > - Bob T. > > > >> > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to take > > >> > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > >> > It is also the goal of Christians. You said so. > > > >> There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Muslims > > >> chop off thier heads. If people refuse to become Christians, we don't harm > > >> them in any way. Has any Christian ever harmed you or threatened you? > > > >> > They are presently committing > > >> > > genocide on the people that live in Darfur. > > > >> > All the Moslems are doing that? Even the ones that are at war with > > >> > each other? Stop being such a fool. > > > >> > After they take over control > > >> > > of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take over > > >> > > surrounding countries. > > > >> > The Sudan is a Muslem country and has been for many centuries. > > > >> The Muslims from Middle east are taking over the Sudan. They are either > > >> killing the Black Muslims or forcing them to leave the country. > > > >The ones doing the killing are nomadic tribesmen in the Sudan. The > > >Blacks are animists and Christians. You are once again exposed as an > > >ignorant liar. > > > You are confusing two different wars. The war in the south was the > > Moslems of the north against the animists and Christians of the south. > > The war in Darfur is more tribal, but generally everyone involved is > > Moslem. > > > This is a tribal war. There is some sense in which it is racist, but the > > supposedly Arab north and the Janjaweed are not notably lighter black > > than the blacks in Darfur who are being killed. > > > ... > > I posted an article related to Darfur. The article indicated that Arab > Muslims are committing genocide against black muslims (in Darfur). I > suggest that you google this term: "Arab Muslims in Darfur"- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 07:08, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182920084.264354.52...@k29g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 21:00, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182873774.679677.7...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > snip > > > The relevant question is why do you argue for a position that has > > already been demonstrated to be wrong? The article you yourself > > posted contradicts your description of the situation in Darfur. In > > any event I would be very surprised if there were no Arabs in Darfur, > > or Frenchmen or Americans etc., but you are still completely wrong; > > and you have provided documentation that shows you are wrong. > > Yes, I found out from my web search that the Christians live in the > southern part of the Sudan. I was under the impression there were some > Christians living in Darfur but found out I was wrong. There are Christians in Darfur. There are Arabs in > Darfur that are funded by Arabs from the Middle East. The local tribal militias are funded by the government of the Sudan. Your article confirms this. The Arabs in the > Middle East probably have a long range plan that involves taking over all > oil wells in the Sudan. And you base that on your fantasy. > I only posted one of the reports that I read. The one you posted contradicts your claims. > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 07:16, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein > > > > > > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com > > (Jason) in > > <Jason-2606072112370...@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > > > >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mg...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein > > ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com > > >> (Jason) in > > >> <Jason-2606071749330...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > > > >> [snip] > > > >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio wanted > > >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. > > > >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? > > > >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. > > > And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the curriculum. > > > I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint about > > legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s pretty much with > > Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained about the > > Court making law what they specifically meant was when the Court ruled > > that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. > > Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand your point. > The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had no > religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job the next > time. > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:bij3839tjt2antpk8v9p9b2giqcfgqg78c@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:08:42 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > - Refer: <5ecku5F37aehtU1@mid.individual.net> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in messagesnip >> >>> In America, evolutionists control the science curriculum in schools. The >>> opinions of >>> the people that live in Ohio are of no concern to evolutionists. >> >>And? > > Jason and the Argue-naughts? Boom tish! -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:qjj383dd05ebecrekt5vc32b18lkuhpvem@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:22:28 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > - Refer: <5eclnvF378rnuU1@mid.individual.net> >> >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in >> >>snip >> >>> It's now easy for me to understand why the home schooling movement is >>> growing and the reason why so many large churches are now starting their >>> own Christian schools. Many of the rich people in this town send their >>> children to a Catholic prep school. I don't blame all of those parents >>> for >>> giving up on the public school system. >> >>Keep in mind that not all public schools are bad. Where I live (Bergen >>County, NJ), they're great. > > "Keep in mind"? > Jason does not possess such an organ. Oh well, wishful thinking on my part, apparently -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 08:05, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182920143.084925.38...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 21:01, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182873224.668805.269...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 26 Jun., 01:46, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182812406.148531.4...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > On 25 Jun., 08:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article <1182751329.065068.288...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups..com= > > >, "=3D > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:31 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <1182738013.400195.243...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups= > > .com=3D > > > > >, "=3D3D > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is some information about the Christians in Iran. > > > > > > > > > > > <snip article> > > > > > > > > > > > Iran is an excellent example of what happens when religious= > > nut=3D > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > are allowed to rule a country. And you, Jason, clearly wis= > > h th=3D > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > America was more like Iran. > > > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone in the world were Chri= > > stia=3D > > > > ns. > > > > > > > > > Yes, then the world would be just like Iran - run by superstiti= > > ous > > > > > > > > fools who allow no dissent. How would you like to live under M= > > uslim > > > > > > > > religious law, Jason? Well, that's what the world you envision= > > wou=3D > > > > ld > > > > > > > > be like - we would all have to worry about the Inquisition knoc= > > king=3D > > > > on > > > > > > > > our door at any moment to check on our sex lives. > > > > > > > > > I much prefer to live in America, which is still a land of free= > > dom, > > > > > > > > including freedom from religion. > > > > > > > > > - Bob T. > > > > > > > > I also like living in America. The end goal of the Muslims are to= > > take > > > > > > > over the world--one country at a time. > > > > > > > It is also the goal of Christians. You said so. > > > > > > There is a BIG difference. If people refuse to become Muslims, the Mu= > > slims > > > > > chop off thier heads. If people refuse to become Christians, we don't= > > harm > > > > > them in any way. Has any Christian ever harmed you or threatened you? > > > > > > > They are presently committing > > > > > > > genocide on the people that live in Darfur. > > > > > > > All the Moslems are doing that? Even the ones that are at war with > > > > > > each other? Stop being such a fool. > > > > > > > After they take over control > > > > > > > of the Sudan, they will use the Sudan as a staging ground to take= > > over > > > > > > > surrounding countries. > > > > > > > The Sudan is a Muslem country and has been for many centuries. > > > > > > The Muslims from Middle east are taking over the Sudan. They are eith= > > er > > > > > killing the Black Muslims or forcing them to leave the country. > > > > > The ones doing the killing are nomadic tribesmen in the Sudan. The > > > > Blacks are animists and Christians. You are once again exposed as an > > > > ignorant liar. > > > > > > Google--Genocide in Darfur > > > > > Try it yourself idiot. > > > > > > > One expert believes they will eventually take over > > > > > > > Spain without firing a shot. Mullahs are encouraging young follow= > > ers =3D > > > > to > > > > > > > move to Spain. After 55% of the population of Spain are Muslims, = > > they=3D > > > > will > > > > > > > vote only for Muslims. Those politicians will vote to establish t= > > he s=3D > > > > ame > > > > > > > sorts of laws they now have in Moslem countries. > > > > > > > jason- Skjul tekst i anf=3D3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > Golly!- Skjul tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn -- Skjul tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > Stop making up stuff. > > > > Are there any Arab Muslims in Darfur?- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > Is the Christian Science Monitor article correct? > > Yes, I believe it is correct.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > - Refer: <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> >>In article >><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>> >>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >>> > >>> > snip >>> > >>> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >>> > >>> > What makes your god the "true" one? >>> >>> Books have been written on that subject. >> >>I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus is the true >>god? > > Of course. > The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's butt any time! True, but as a long-time fan of Norse mythology, I think Odin could give Zeus a run for his money -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:h0k383tvu4l40srqvo3k496r4ulusla2b3@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:02:58 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > - Refer: <5eckjeF36fh2jU1@mid.individual.net> >> >><gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:1182812811.996798.30050@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>> On 25 Jun., 17:34, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote >>>> >>>> snip >>>> >>>> > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >>>> >>>> What makes your god the "true" one? >>>> -- >>> >>> The Bible says so of course. >> >>Yeah, I've heard that, but I'm not buying it ;P > > You don't have to buy. > You can steal one from a motel side-table. Where do you think my bible came from? The husband pilfered it while on a business trip many moons ago -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > Martin, > Yes, can you understand how qualified science teachers that were advocates > of creation science would react to any school board that wanted them to > teach about the primordial pond? Yes, they should quit and go teach their nonsense in a religious school that advocates it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 08:16, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182921004.892004.178...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 22:28, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182888536.294395.68...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > snip > > > > > > Why is there the symbol of a crescent moon on top of every mosque?- S= > > kjul=3D > > > > tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > Why do Christians celebrate a holiday named after a pagan goddess? > > > > You failed to answer the above question. > > > I will try again (not that it will make any difference). Neither > > Christians or Moslems worship pagan deities. Both Christians and > > Moslems have both names and symbols derived from such worship. Try > > and see if you can understand that. > > > > I don't know if that is true. If it is true, I don't know the reason. I am > > > not an expert related to Bible history. A Jehovahs Witness told me > > > something about the origin of Christmas. I don't worship any pagan > > > goddesses.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > And neither do Moslems, even though both religions have inherited > > names and symbols derived from pagan worship. > > I understand your point of view. I found out today that a former Muslim > that is now a Christian agrees with your understanding of these issues. > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 08:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182921562.532086.9...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 27 Jun., 01:26, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182892095.064389.276...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > On 26 Jun., 20:46, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1182873694.135711.325...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > >snip > > > > > > > > I did not state that Christian Arabs are not really Christians. > > > Christian > > > > > > > Arabs are really Christians even if they call God by the name of > > > Allah.- = > > > > > > Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > > > > Good, you admit your entire argument has been invalid. > > > > > > Not true--The Christians Arabs will eventually understand (as a > result of > > > > > reading their Bibles) that God is vastly different than the moon > > > > > god-- > > > > > Eventually understand? They do not believe in any moon god now. > > > > The Quran indicates that the moon god is unknowable. > > > First of all that is irrelevant, since we are talking about Christian > > Arabs. Secondly it is not true; the Quran forbids worship of the Moon > > god. > > > >The moon God is so > > > exalted that no man can ever personally know Allah. In his book that is > > > entitled, "Jesus and Muhammad, Mark Gabriel, a former devout Muslim, says: > > > "If you ask a Muslim, Do you how much Allah loves your? he will respond, > > > 'I don't know how much he loves me. Only Allah knows.' > > > And he is not talking about the Moon god. > > That is correct. He believe Allah and Yahweh are the same God. And he is forbidden to worship the Moon god by the Quran. Thank you for admitting that you were lying. It would be even better if you stopped. snip Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 08:31, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182920697.691354.172...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 26 Jun., 22:22, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1182888250.489184.198...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, snip - > > > Biologists are experts in science. The majority of the voters in Ohio > > are not, and you just agreed that people ignorant of science should > > not > > determine the science curriculum. > > I trust the elected members of school boards more than I trust unelected > evolutionists. They have an agenda which is to prevent a competing theory > from being taught.- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
Guest gudloos@yahoo.com Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On 27 Jun., 08:39, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1182923955.184406.146...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 27, 8:19 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > I have made this point several different times but it appears that it flew > > > over your head: > > > Legislation (as per the constitution) should be made by elected > > > representatives and not as a result of by judicial fiat. If you re-read > > > the article with this in mind--you will understand my point of view. The > > > will of the democratic majority is taken into consideration by elected > > > representatives but is usually not taken into consideration by unelected > > > judges. > > > Get this through your thick head, Jason: you are endorsing the removal > > of people's constitutionally guaranteed protection against the > > promotion of somebody else's religion. > > > You're a nazi, Jason. > > > Martin > > Martin, > You appear to have trust in judges. In 1857, the Supreme Court ruled that > slavery was legal. You may want to google Dred Scot Decision. Do you > believe that was an excellent court decision? > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf Quote
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