Guest The Chief Instigator Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes: >"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message >news:h0k383tvu4l40srqvo3k496r4ulusla2b3@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:02:58 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> - Refer: <5eckjeF36fh2jU1@mid.individual.net> >>><gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:1182812811.996798.30050@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>> On 25 Jun., 17:34, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote >>>>> snip >>>>> > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >>>>> What makes your god the "true" one? >>>> The Bible says so of course. >>>Yeah, I've heard that, but I'm not buying it ;P >> You don't have to buy. >> You can steal one from a motel side-table. >Where do you think my bible came from? The husband pilfered it while on a >business trip many moons ago Welcome to the club...Dale and I, on a trip to South Dakota in 1994, stayed at a motel and took the opportunity to violate a Sioux Falls ordinance by having sex on the floor between two beds (obviously, with the bible on the desk). ;-) -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15) NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:02:48 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: - Refer: <5efcfjF3853rbU1@mid.individual.net> > >"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message >news:bij3839tjt2antpk8v9p9b2giqcfgqg78c@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:08:42 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> - Refer: <5ecku5F37aehtU1@mid.individual.net> >>> >>>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in messagesnip >>> >>>> In America, evolutionists control the science curriculum in schools. The >>>> opinions of >>>> the people that live in Ohio are of no concern to evolutionists. >>> >>>And? >> >> Jason and the Argue-naughts? > > Boom tish! You've been a fantastic audience, and I mean that most sincerely. I just love your beautiful country at this time of year. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:41:07 -0000, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: - Refer: <1182930067.182358.221560@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> >On Jun 27, 2:25 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the >> children will realize that ID makes more sense > >You don't seriously believe that, Jason. If you were then you would >be calling every qualified scientist alive today a liar. He has done that very thing on several occasions. -- Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:04:56 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: - Refer: <5efcjjF37nqg1U1@mid.individual.net> > >"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message >news:h0k383tvu4l40srqvo3k496r4ulusla2b3@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:02:58 -0400, "Robibnikoff" >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> - Refer: <5eckjeF36fh2jU1@mid.individual.net> >>> >>><gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:1182812811.996798.30050@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>> On 25 Jun., 17:34, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote >>>>> >>>>> snip >>>>> >>>>> > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. >>>>> >>>>> What makes your god the "true" one? >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> The Bible says so of course. >>> >>>Yeah, I've heard that, but I'm not buying it ;P >> >> You don't have to buy. >> You can steal one from a motel side-table. > >Where do you think my bible came from? The husband pilfered it while on a >business trip many moons ago That's the true Xtian spirit! Theft. Deception. Well, a tiny part of it, at least... -- Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:35:24 -0000, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jun 27, 1:47 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <5eclv9F38b9m...@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >news:Jason-2506072238410001@66-52-22-54.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > In article <1182828376.590242.59...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> On Jun 26, 9:12 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > In article <yAZfi.7126$n9.6...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >> > >news:Jason-2406071818230001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > >> > > > In article >> > >> > > > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >> > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> In article >> > >> > > >> <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> > >> > > >> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> > I want to make it legal for teachers >> > >> > > >> > to teach ID >> >> > >> > > >> But it is legal to do that... >> >> > >> > > >> ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. >> >> > >> > > >> So what's your problem? >> >> > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology classes. Of >> > >> > > > course, >> > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. >> >> > >> > > Tell me Jason, just how would you propose teaching ID as science? >> > > Please be >> > >> > > specific in your reply. >> >> > >> > Teachers and students would use the textbook "Of Pandas and People" >> > >> > which >> > >> > has no Biblical content. >> >> > >> It also has no scientific content. And you can't argue that it does >> > >> because you've never seen it. > >> > > That's true--just a book review. >> >> > How can you advocate something you haven't even bothered to read? >> >> Since I know the basics of creation... > >So you, Jason, consider yourself qualified to teach a science class? >That's exactly the kind of travesty we want to avoid. The too common practice here in the US of having gym coaches double as "science teachers" is bad enough, let alone giving the job to idiots like Jason. > >Martin Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:35:13 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >Jason wrote: >> In article <f5rnk0$40j$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> >>> Bob T. wrote: >>>> On Jun 25, 11:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>> Good point--our troops will eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan. If the >>>>> leaders of either of those countries asked Bush to remove our troops from >>>>> their countries--Bush would do it. >>>> <snicker> No, he wouldn't. >>> He didn't listen when they asked him not to invade (at least in Iraq's >>> case, he didn't. I'm not saying if the invasion was right or wrong; >>> simply pointing out that it was against the wishes of the then-current >>> leader(s) of the country.) so why would he listen when they ask him to >>> leave? >> >> In Iraq--the current leaders are different than the former leaders. If the >> current leaders asked Bush to remove the troops--I believe Bush would >> remove the troops. I seem to recall that the citzens voted on this issue >> about a year ago and they voted to keep our troops in their country. They >> had to have their finger prints tested and they proudly held up their >> inked fingers to the cameras to show they had freely voted. > >Damned, Jason, you're going to have a heart attack from back-pedalling >so fast. I've done this before and been wrong, and I may be wrong this time, but I'm calling Loki on Jason. Quote
Guest johac Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <5efchvF36n37vU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message > news:1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com... > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac > > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > - Refer: <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> > >>In article > >><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >>> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >>> > > >>> > snip > >>> > > >>> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > >>> > > >>> > What makes your god the "true" one? > >>> > >>> Books have been written on that subject. > >> > >>I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus is the true > >>god? > > > > Of course. > > The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's butt any time! > > True, but as a long-time fan of Norse mythology, I think Odin could give > Zeus a run for his money I don't know. Maybe we could get all the gods in an arena and let them fight it out to see who's the toughest non-existent being. Sort of a divine bum fight. :-) -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest johac Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 In article <dc648397hljrpucad3mdd3d8ub31lmd1gq@4ax.com>, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:15:52 -0700, johac > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > - Refer: <jhachmann-DB11DE.22155226062007@news.giganews.com> > >In article <1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com>, > > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac > >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> - Refer: <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >In article > >> ><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> >> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> >> > > >> >> > snip > >> >> > > >> >> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about the true God. > >> >> > > >> >> > What makes your god the "true" one? > >> >> > >> >> Books have been written on that subject. > >> > > >> >I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus is the true > >> >god? > >> > >> Of course. > >> The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's butt any time! > >> > > > >With one thunderbolt tied behind his back. So could Odin. > > Odin is feeling a little thor at the moment... > Thor's kid? He should be careful. He could get hammered. -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest John Baker Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:54:31 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <dMngi.16072$2v1.8743@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, >bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <8di383tk4k8aadt0l1ac85ua22n1mmct4f@4ax.com>, Don Kresch >> > <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> > >> >> In alt.atheism On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:02:36 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >> >> (Jason) let us all know that: >> >> >> >>> In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish >> >>> <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Jason wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that the >> >>>>> child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her >> > grandmother was >> >>>>> lying in a casket buried in the dirt. >> >>>> It also seems that the child would be even more comforted >> >>>> with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise >> >>>> children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to >> >>>> be adults with poorly developed minds. >> >>> You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the child >> >>> that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the casket >> >>> that was buried in the dirt. >> >> It's better to have the truth than a comfortable lie, don't >> >> you agree? Comfortable lies come back to bite you later in life. >> >> >> >> >> >> Don >> >> --- >> >> aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde >> >> Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. >> >> >> >> "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" >> >> Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" >> > >> > Christians do not consider it a lie. >> > >> > >> And yet, Jason, you want to usurp my rights and my childrens' rights to >> a secular education. > >Don't worry--as of now--the evolutionists are winning all of the court >cases. They don't want any competition. If you define 'don't want any competition' as 'don't want Bible-banging fuckwits shoving their Bronze Age superstitions down my kids' throats', then you're right. Otherwise, you're wrong. As usual. > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In article <G3Agi.2276$K9.86@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2706070154310001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <dMngi.16072$2v1.8743@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > In article <8di383tk4k8aadt0l1ac85ua22n1mmct4f@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > >> > <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> In alt.atheism On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:02:36 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > >> >> (Jason) let us all know that: > >> >> > >> >>> In article <trWdnVoGW5eUORzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@comcast.com>, John > >> >>> Popelish > >> >>> <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Jason wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> It seems to me that the child would be more comforted knowing that > >> >>>>> the > >> >>>>> child's grandmother was in heaven than being told that her > >> > grandmother was > >> >>>>> lying in a casket buried in the dirt. > >> >>>> It also seems that the child would be even more comforted > >> >>>> with a dose of morphine. Unfortunately, if you raise > >> >>>> children on doses of either lies or opiates, they grow up to > >> >>>> be adults with poorly developed minds. > >> >>> You may have to give the child a dose of morphine after telling the > >> >>> child > >> >>> that her grandmother was not in heaven but instead was still in the > >> >>> casket > >> >>> that was buried in the dirt. > >> >> It's better to have the truth than a comfortable lie, don't > >> >> you agree? Comfortable lies come back to bite you later in life. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Don > >> >> --- > >> >> aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde > >> >> Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. > >> >> > >> >> "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" > >> >> Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" > >> > > >> > Christians do not consider it a lie. > >> > > >> > > >> And yet, Jason, you want to usurp my rights and my childrens' rights to > >> a secular education. > > > > Don't worry--as of now--the evolutionists are winning all of the court > > cases. They don't want any competition. > > The 'evolutionists' have won because they are right. In the weeks I have > dealt with you, you have been unable to tell any of us the science involved > in creation science or ID and yet you continue to return to the court cases. > You need to learn what is in the court cases if you want to continue to use > them as an example. By the way, you have never defined for us your use of > the word 'evolutionists'. Care to give that a try now, since you continue to > use the term? This is where I found the term "evolutionist": I found these sentences on page 8 of the Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic: "...[Darwin] spent years classifying baracles. By 1854 he was known as a barnacle expert--though not yet an evolutionist." The science involved related to creation science and ID is related to fossils and rock strata. Dr. John Baumgardner is a geophysics professor at the ICR Graduate School. He obtained his Ph.D in geophysics at UCLA. He served as a staff scientist in the Theoretical Division of Los Alamos National Laboratory for 20 years. Dr. Baumgardner and Dr. Steve Austin have done lots of research at the Grand Canyon related to fossils and rock strata Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In article <qyAgi.2309$K9.871@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2706071411320001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <kYzgi.2271$K9.1992@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Christopher Morris" <Draccus@roadrunner.com> wrote in message > >> news:468221f4$0$12247$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > >> > > >> > "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> > news:1182926144.148395.258680@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com... > >> >>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:36 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism > >> >>> J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > >> >>> <Jason-2606071314370...@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >> >> > >> >>> >What do atheists tell small children when they ask questions like > >> >>> >this > >> >>> >one: > >> >>> > >> >>> >I really miss Grandma and wish she had not died? Is she in heaven? > >> >> > >> >> The truth, that Heaven doesn't exist. Children have the right to have > >> >> the truth told to them and not have lies told to them. I won't tell > >> >> young children that your god is watching them and I won't tell them > >> >> that Santa Claus is watching them either > >> >> > >> >> Martin > >> > > >> > > >> > And you know this how? Have you died and not been able to go there? Or > >> > perhaps it is like most of the world belives and you just come back for > >> > a > >> > new life. Who is to say it is not science for science does not speak to > >> > matters of the afterlife, and unless you have died and come back, how > >> > do > >> > you know what happens afterwards. It is things like this that hurt the > >> > case of science, for it should speak only to it's own forts and leave > >> > the > >> > rest to others better qualified. > >> > >> He knows this because it is written in the bible and the bible has proven > >> to > >> be less than trustworthy when relating events. Science doesn't say one > >> whit > >> about the afterlife, this is just common sense and reason and the > >> knowledge > >> of the Holey Babble. > > > > I have read at least one book related to people that died for a short > > period of time (such as during surgery). The author interviewed dozens of > > those people and many of them told very similar stories. They saw a tunnel > > with a bright light at the end of it. They traveled to the light and ended > > up in heaven. Some of them told stories about relatives and friends that > > they met in heaven. Others told about meeting Jesus or God. Some told > > about seeing the river of life and huge trees. One lady actully made > > paintings of the grass and flowers that were similar to grass and flowers > > on the earth but the colors were MUCH brighter. I believed the testimonies > > of those people but I already know that atheists will NOT believe the > > testimonies of those people. > > Jason > > Jason, I told you many weeks ago that near death experiences(NDE's) are not > uncommon, however, all NDE's occur with the person who experienced the NDE > seeing what his or her religion says they will see. A Hindu reported that he > saw the next life that he was to have. You fall in the same trap that all US > Christians fall into, that Christianity is the only religion and that the US > is the only country. The book that I read was written by a Christian and the people that he interviewed were all Christians or became Christians after their NDE. One person went to hell during his NDE and as a result is now a Christian. Thanks for the info. about the Hindu that had a NDE. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:06:43 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2706071006430001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: > >Jim, >I doubt that ID will ever be taught in the public schoools so you have >nothing to fear. Even if ID was taught, all of the problems you discussed >would probably not happen. I have never done any research related to the >many adults that are graduates of Christian high schools. It's my guess >that the vast majority of them are not guilty of any of those things that >you mentioned in your post. >Jason Please remember that the vast majority of students who graduated from Christian High Schools were never taught ID/Creationism or other heresies. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In article <7rAgi.2306$K9.485@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2706071403510001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <NVzgi.2269$K9.1264@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2706071042260001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <k3m4839mgss0cijljuel3pm2nk3jonlg9c@4ax.com>, Matt > >> > Silberstein > >> > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:16:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com > >> >> (Jason) in > >> >> <Jason-2606072216110001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95nts@4ax.com>, Matt > >> >> >Silberstein > >> >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , > >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com > >> >> >> (Jason) in > >> >> >> <Jason-2606072112370001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mgn5s@4ax.com>, Matt > >> >> >> >Silberstein > >> >> >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , > >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com > >> >> >> >> (Jason) in > >> >> >> >> <Jason-2606071749330001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> [snip] > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in > >> >> >> >> >Ohio > >> >> >> >> >wanted > >> >> >> >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the > >> >> >> curriculum. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint about > >> >> >> legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s pretty much > >> >> >> with > >> >> >> Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained about the > >> >> >> Court making law what they specifically meant was when the Court > >> >> >> ruled > >> >> >> that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. > >> >> > > >> >> >Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand your > >> >> >point. > >> >> >The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had > >> >> >no > >> >> >religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job the > >> >> >next > >> >> >time. > >> >> > >> >> How? I mean that. ID is religion, you admit over and over that your > >> >> motives and goals are religious in nature and that your source > >> >> material is religious. ID is religion and any attempt by its > >> >> supporters to say otherwise is just lying. Do you support lying to > >> >> promote Christianity? > >> > > >> > Matt, > >> > Yes, you are correct. However, the people in the ID movement could > >> > arrange > >> > to do it in such a way that no court could find any evidence of > >> > religion. > >> > They tried to do it in the Dover case but they failed. Perhaps they > >> > will > >> > never succeed. > >> > Jason > >> > >> They will never succeed because ID contains no science. Religion abounds > >> in > >> ID and creation science for one important reason, it is there! > > > > I agree that religion abounds in ID and creation science. However, if God, > > Jesus and scriptures are NEVER mentioned in the text book or curriculum > > guide--it seems to me that a judge could not call it religion. For > > example, some people believe that astronauts from some other planet came > > to this planet millions of years ago and left behind dozens of people; > > some plants and some animals. Is that idea based on religion? The answer > > is no. In the last court case, the IDers did a terrible job since lawyers > > representing evolutionists found all sorts of evidence indicating that > > religion was involved. > > Jason > > You don't have to specifically name your religious figure in order to find > that religion is involved. When the descriptions fit the bible then it will > be assumed that it is the bible. Judges are to suppose to base their rulings on evidence--not assumptions. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:36:14 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606072136150001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182912481.204273.80920@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: .... >> And no science content. >> >> If I were a high school principal, I would not hire anyone who thought >> an "intelligent designer" created mankind and I would fire anybody who >> would bring such nonsense into a science classroom. I'd replace that >> person with a qualified teacher immediately. Nobody should call >> themselves a "teacher" and lie to young kids. It's disgraceful! >> >> Martin > >I don't know whether or not such a teacher could file a religious >discrimination lawsuit. This is the United States, Jason. You can file any old absurd suit you want, even if you want $54,000,000 because you don't like the way your pants were altered. That doesn't mean you will win. It might even mean, as the liars in Pennsylvania found out, that you have to pay the attorney's bill for those who won because you were completely irresponsible in your behavior. >Teachers may not be allowed to teach ID but they >are allowed to be Christians. And no Christian has to believe the lies you teach about life on earth to be a Christian. The _vast_ majority of Christians in this country have no problem with the evidence that shows that evolution happened. It takes heretics like you to tell lies about this. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In article <4dp583lqrr9fhgchqv0633889v7s6mt8ni@4ax.com>, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:41:07 -0000, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> > wrote: > - Refer: <1182930067.182358.221560@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> > >On Jun 27, 2:25 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the > >> children will realize that ID makes more sense > > > >You don't seriously believe that, Jason. If you were then you would > >be calling every qualified scientist alive today a liar. > > He has done that very thing on several occasions. > > -- Yes, I believe that evolutionists are afraid that the children will realize that ID makes more sense than evolution. Otherwise, they would not millions of dollars keeping ID from being taught in the public school system. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:44:52 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2706070144530001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182926921.060522.213800@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 9:06 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <Fzigi.138$ca...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > > The Hindu's believe that their story of religious beginnings should be >> > > taught, Should we do this? What if they are in the majority, do we >teach it >> > > then? >> > >> > Excellent point--I doubt if any school board would do it. If I lived in >> > that district, I would write a letter to each member of the school board >> > and ask them to vote NO. >> >> Presumably you believe that only Christians have this right. >> >> Martin > >Anyone is free to try to write letters to anyone they want to write >letters to. Anyone is free to vote for or not vote for school board >members. Based on the discussion to date, you have made it clear that you think that you and the heretics who teach what you teach have the right to ignore the First Amendment, but that everyone else, those who disagree with you, have to follow it. Are you teaching a graduate class in hypocrisy? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:16:11 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606072216110001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95nts@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) in >> <Jason-2606072112370001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mgn5s@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> >> (Jason) in >> >> <Jason-2606071749330001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio wanted >> >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. >> >> >> >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? >> > >> >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. >> > >> And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the curriculum. >> >> I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint about >> legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s pretty much with >> Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained about the >> Court making law what they specifically meant was when the Court ruled >> that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. > >Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand your point. >The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had no >religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job the next >time. Jason, you don't get it. If you take out all the religion, ID disappears. It has absolutely no scientific support. Learn. Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In alt.atheism On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:22:03 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <1182929367.964907.126800@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 12:54 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <1182913159.985342.95...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory explains the >> > > > facts that are backed up with evidence. >> > >> > > Remember this the next time you claim there is no evidence supporting >> > > evolution. >> > >> > I have stated in other posts that I support Natural Selection. >> >> Then you support the theory of evolution and admit that there are >> facts supporting it, facts backed up by actual evidence. Good. >> >> Martin > >I don't support abiogenesis and common descent. Then you don't support DNA testing or even research into antibiotics. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:25:29 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2606072325290001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <4681fb79$0$30597$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher >Morris" <Draccus@roadrunner.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2606072216110001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95nts@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein >> > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> >> (Jason) in >> >> <Jason-2606072112370001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mgn5s@4ax.com>, Matt >> >> >Silberstein >> >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> >> >> (Jason) in >> >> >> <Jason-2606071749330001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >> >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio >> >> >> >wanted >> >> >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. >> >> >> >> >> >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? >> >> > >> >> >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. >> >> > >> >> And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the curriculum. >> >> >> >> I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint about >> >> legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s pretty much with >> >> Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained about the >> >> Court making law what they specifically meant was when the Court ruled >> >> that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. >> > >> > Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand your point. >> > The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had no >> > religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job the next >> > time. >> > Jason >> > >> >> >> Jason Brown had nothing to do with ID especially since ID was not thought up >> yet as a new lie for Creationism. Now more to the point of the case if and >> when the ID people come up with an actual scientific theory it can be >> considered as being taught in classrooms, but they do not even claim they >> have that. They have nothing to teach not a thing is was all a scam and now >> they are looking for their next scam and next group of marks to pull it on. >> Try not and be among the marks this time for these conmen in labcoats they >> are trying to sell you snake oil. > >I hope that the people in the ID movement do a better job during the next >court case. It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the >children will realize that ID makes more sense than evolution so they will >spend millions to keep any school systems from teaching ID. If they were >really sure that evolution would win the competition--they would not be >concerned if it was taught in the public schools. > They are teaching religious doctrines and lying about it. How do you want them to do a better job? Should they lie better? Should they admit that they have absolutely no evidence and that they had lied before? There is no ID, it's a con game. You were conned by them. Learn. Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In alt.atheism On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:45:56 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >Have you ever taking a class where two separate theories to explain the >same thing was discussed. I can't think of any good examples. > ID isn't a theory. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In alt.atheism On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:03:51 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <NVzgi.2269$K9.1264@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" ><mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> They will never succeed because ID contains no science. Religion abounds in >> ID and creation science for one important reason, it is there! > >I agree that religion abounds in ID and creation science. However, if God, >Jesus and scriptures are NEVER mentioned in the text book or curriculum >guide--it seems to me that a judge could not call it religion. Of course the judge can. The judge can look at it and say "who is this designer", and since it's only being put forth by literalist biblical creationists.... Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:45:56 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2706071045570001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <d8m483tp7b6g9lv9i1ahbdvmi2uecv6vun@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:25:29 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) in >> <Jason-2606072325290001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >I hope that the people in the ID movement do a better job during the next >> >court case. It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the >> >children will realize that ID makes more sense than evolution so they will >> >spend millions to keep any school systems from teaching ID. >> >> You keep saying this, but I doubt you believe it. You can't tell us >> anything about ID, you can't tell us about the evidence in support of >> it, all you do is point to the Discovery Institute or some evangelical >> ministry. If it made more sense then you would make your case by >> talking about ID. >> >> >If they were >> >really sure that evolution would win the competition--they would not be >> >concerned if it was taught in the public schools. >> >> Sorry, but the public schools are not a place for competition like >> that. There is no other subject where people want to teach children >> multiple ideas and let the child choose. We don't teach multiple >> version of history, we don't teach multiple versions of math, and we >> should not teach multiple versions of biology. That is, if you >> actually had something to teach. But all you have is creationism, a >> religious subject, and some vague claim that some designers did >> somethings somewhere. (I have no idea how that makes sense to you.) > >Have you ever taking a class where two separate theories to explain the >same thing was discussed. I can't think of any good examples. > In science it is very rare. Generally, one theory is ascendant until new evidence shows that the original theory didn't take into account enough information and it is supplanted by a new theory. In the case of evolution there have been changes in the past century and a half, but they still don't change the broad outline that all life shares a common ancestor and that life changes over time by variation and natural selection. ID is not scientific so it will never be taught in a science class. It will not even be taught in any real colleges that are affiliated with Christian denominations. ID is a lie. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:46:32 -0700, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2706071046330001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >In article <1182952838.174078.301250@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 26, 11:25 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <4681fb79$0$30597$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, "Christopher >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Morris" <Drac...@roadrunner.com> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-2606072216110001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > > In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95...@4ax.com>, Matt >Silberstein >> > > > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com >> > > >> (Jason) in >> > > >> <Jason-2606072112370...@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mg...@4ax.com>, Matt >> > > >> >Silberstein >> > > >> ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com >> > > >> >> (Jason) in >> > > >> >> <Jason-2606071749330...@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> [snip] >> > >> > > >> >> >The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that live in Ohio >> > > >> >> >wanted >> > > >> >> >both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. >> > >> > > >> >> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and whites? >> > >> > > >> >It would be illegal for a school board to do that. >> > >> > > >> And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the curriculum. >> > >> > > >> I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint about >> > > >> legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s pretty much with >> > > >> Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained about the >> > > >> Court making law what they specifically meant was when the Court ruled >> > > >> that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. >> > >> > > > Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I understand >your point. >> > > > The ID people should have done a better job in making sure they had no >> > > > religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a better job >the next >> > > > time. >> > > > Jason >> > >> > > Jason Brown had nothing to do with ID especially since ID was not >thought up >> > > yet as a new lie for Creationism. Now more to the point of the case if and >> > > when the ID people come up with an actual scientific theory it can be >> > > considered as being taught in classrooms, but they do not even claim they >> > > have that. They have nothing to teach not a thing is was all a scam >and now >> > > they are looking for their next scam and next group of marks to pull >it on. >> > > Try not and be among the marks this time for these conmen in labcoats they >> > > are trying to sell you snake oil. >> > >> > I hope that the people in the ID movement do a better job during the next >> > court case. It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the >> > children will realize that ID makes more sense than evolution so they will >> > spend millions to keep any school systems from teaching ID. If they were >> > really sure that evolution would win the competition--they would not be >> > concerned if it was taught in the public schools. >> >> You have said this before, and it is nonsense. We don't want ID >> taught in our schools for two reasons: >> >> 1) It is religion, not science. >> 2) It is not true. >> >> Do you want your children taught that Thor uses his mighty hammer to >> make the thunder? Why not? Is it because you are afraid that >> children will realize that "Thor's hammer makes more sense than >> meteorology"? Of course not - you don't want your children taught >> about Thor for two reasons: >> >> 1) Norse mythology is a religious belief, not science. >> 2) Norse mythology is not true. >> >> - Bob T. > >I understand your point. > Do you accept this fact or will you continue to hold onto a lie? Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In alt.atheism On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:29:43 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <4dp583lqrr9fhgchqv0633889v7s6mt8ni@4ax.com>, Michael Gray ><mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:41:07 -0000, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <1182930067.182358.221560@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> >> >On Jun 27, 2:25 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> It's obvious to me that the evolutionists are afraid that the >> >> children will realize that ID makes more sense >> > >> >You don't seriously believe that, Jason. If you were then you would >> >be calling every qualified scientist alive today a liar. >> >> He has done that very thing on several occasions. >> >> -- > >Yes, I believe that evolutionists are afraid that the children will >realize that ID makes more sense than evolution. And flat-earthers believe that spheroid-earthers are afraid that children will realize that the Earth is flat. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In article <3bAgi.2288$K9.1965@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2606072331270001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <1182920697.691354.172560@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> On 26 Jun., 22:22, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > In article <1182888250.489184.198...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > > On 26 Jun., 03:04, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > In article <K3Zfi.7097$n9.2...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > >> > > >> > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> > > > >news:Jason-2506071704090001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > > > > > In article > >> > > > > > <1182813173.218982.308...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >> > Martin > >> > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> On Jun 26, 3:17 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > > >> > In article > >> > > > > >> > <1182773965.426707.320...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.c= > >> om>, > >> > > > > >> > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > On 25 Jun., 03:18, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > In article > >> > > >> > <DipthotDipthot-A725FE.16174624062...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > 655321 <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > In article > >> > > > > >> > > > > <Jason-2306071116110...@66-52-22-111.lsan.pw-dia.impulse= > >> .net>, > >> > > > > >> > > > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I want to make it legal for teachers > >> > > > > >> > > > > > to teach ID > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > But it is legal to do that... > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ... in a comparative religions, class, for example. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > So what's your problem? > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > I was referring to high school science and biology > >> > > > > >> > > > classes= > >> . Of > >> > > > > >> > > > course, > >> > > > > >> > > > evolution should also be taught in those same classes. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > Why should a person with no understanding of science > >> > (self-admitted) > >> > > > > >> > > decide what should be taught in a science class? Why > >> > > > > >> > > should > >> > the US > >> > > > > >> > > give up religious freedom? > >> > > >> > > > > >> > I posted a poll yesterday which indicated that most of the > >> > people that > >> > > > > >> > live in Ohio want ID and Evolution to be taught in the > >> > > > > >> > public > >> > schools. > >> > > > > >> > I > >> > > > > >> > believe the people in Ohio should decide what subjects > >> > > > > >> > should > >> > be taught > >> > > > > >> > in > >> > > > > >> > the public schools. > >> > > >> > > > > >> What if people in Ohio wanted teachers to teach that the Earth > >> > > > > >> w= > >> as > >> > > > > >> flat? Do you think teachers should go along with it? I'd > >> > > > > >> quit > >> > > > > >> outright. Their loss. > >> > > >> > > > > >> Martin > >> > > >> > > > > > The teachers that don't want to teach the established > >> > > > > > curriculum = > >> in a > >> > > > > > state school should quit. > >> > > >> > > > > You side-stepped the issue Jason, do we let the public dictate > >> > > > > what > >> > science > >> > > > > is correct?? Take you Jason, you are what is known as a > >> > > > > scientific > >> > > > > illiterate. Do we let you and people like you, chose the science > >> > curriculum? > >> > > >> > > > No-- > >> > > >> > > In that case what you say below must be wrong. > >> > > >> > > >but the people that live in Ohio should have a voice in deciding > >> > > > school curriculum. In this case over 60% of those people want both > >> > > > ID= > >> and > >> > > > evolution to be taught.- > >> > > >> > > And you just agreed that people ignorant of science should not > >> > > determine the science curriculum. > >> > > >> > I doubt that most judges are experts related to science. I believe that > >> > elected representatives should determine education policy--not > >> > unelected > >> > evolutionists. Its my opinion that evoltionists do not want ID to be > >> > taught since they are concerned the children would realize that ID > >> > makes > >> > more sense than evolution.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > >> > > >> > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > >> > > >> > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > >> > >> Biologists are experts in science. The majority of the voters in Ohio > >> are not, and you just agreed that people ignorant of science should > >> not > >> determine the science curriculum. > > > > I trust the elected members of school boards more than I trust unelected > > evolutionists. They have an agenda which is to prevent a competing theory > > from being taught. > > What unelected 'evolutionists'? Either explain your terminology or quit > using it. You don't think a creationist school board has an agenda?? Have > mercy! I explained why I use the term 'evolutionist' in another post. Summary version: I found the term on page 8 of the Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic. Yes, a creationist school board and evolutionist both have agendas. Quote
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