Guest John Baker Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:21:33 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <1183088116.373342.15810@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "Bob >T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 28, 7:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <ptk883l55t40lqmutk0pac0uh4u3o2n...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:57:04 -0700, in alt.atheism >> > > J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in >> > > <Jason-2806071657040...@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>: >> > > >In article <HAVgi.1548$ca...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > > ><mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > ... >> > > >> Jason, we have also told you many times that ID itself is >religious. You >> > > >> can't prepare the case any differently because ID is what it is, a >> > variation >> > > >> of creation science! >> > >> > > >I could not do it since I am now a lawyer. The lawyer should read the >> > > >textbook and curriculum guide from cover to cover and underline any >> > > >references to God, Jesus, religion or scriptures. The textbook and >> > > >curriculum guide should be re-written with those items deleted. >> > >> > > Did you mean to say that you are _not_ a lawyer? >> > >> > > If you would bother to read the Dover case, you would find out that >> > > there is really no way that Pandas could survive if they actually had to >> > > tell the truth. >> > >> > I met to say--I could not do it since I am not a lawyer. >> > >> > Based on what I have read, the IDers really screwed up in the Dover case. >> > Hopefully, they have learned from their mistakes. >> >> Yes, I hope they have learned from their mistakes... and now >> acknowledge that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation for >> the nature and diversity of life on Earth. >> >> - Bob T. > >They still have a web site. I just hope they have their ducks in a row and >are better prepared for the next case than they were prepared for the >Dover case. If they've actually learned from the experience, there won't be a next time, because they'll have learned that you can't fool intelligent, educated people into believing religion is science. >Jason > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <nnha83ph8rgv3l86dvf9a0rfjpphn4d8n4@4ax.com>, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:16:57 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >In article > ><DipthotDipthot-677E57.20063928062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> In article > >> <Jason-2806071932410001@66-52-22-115.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >> > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any > >> > involvement of god? yes or no > >> > >> That's easy: Why should I? There has been no good reason to do so. > >> That's the main point for being an atheist. No one has set forth a good > >> reason to believe in any gods. > >> > >> When posed with question whose answer is unknown, the skeptic is pretty > >> darned comfortable with the answer, "As yet, the answer to that question > >> is unknown." > >> > >> We don't feel the need to fill in the void with invented gods who, > >> amazingly, fit the void so precisely that they, suddenly, simply must be > >> true -- looking back post-invention, that is. > >> > >> > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught > >> > in the public schools or just evolution? > >> > >> ID isn't something someone can teach, because there is no teachable > >> element of it. It's all preaching when it comes to ID. You have to > >> invent a god(s) concept to teach; you have to invent the process by > >> which the god(s) did the creating, and then, perhaps the purpose. > >> > >> All this invention has nothing to do with observation. And that's what > >> makes it unscientific. No "textbook" of any number of pages can conceal > >> that fact. > >> > >> And teaching post-invention is PREACHING, pure and simple. > >> > >> So "teaching" ID has no place in public schools. Sunday School, > >> perhaps. (Bad ones.) > >> > >> But you have run away from one of my questions. I'll repeat it here, > >> and you'll probably run again, or pretend you didn't read it: > >> > >> How many of the numerous creation theories do you want to bring into > >> the ID curriculum? One? A dozen? Two hundred? (Don't worry, there are > >> that many -- scores more, in fact.) > > > >Only one--Visit the Discovery Institute website for details. They have > >already published a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People". > > > <sigh> OK, Jason. How much is the DI paying you to plug that stupid > book? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> In other words, how far down the twisted, branched theological path do > >> you want to take your 'science' students before you admit to them that > >> you're NOT teaching them science at all? > > > >It's a basic course related to the basics of Intelligent Design. When I > >took a high school biology class, we only spent about two weeks on > >evolution. The teacher could cover Intelligent Design in about two weeks. > > > >> > >> I anticipate that you will again run from this question. > >> > >> Do prove me wrong. I salivate at the opportunity. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> "Creation theories" are more accurately called "myths," but I'll set > >> that aside for now for the purpose of this discussion , because I know > >> how skittish you believers get around that word. > >> > >> I choose to call this thread a "discussion" at this time, even though > >> you, the dishonest coward that you will demonstrate that you are, will > >> likely run from my question, which negates the possibility that it's a > >> discussion at all. > >> > >> --------------------------------- > > $10.00 --every time that I mention the titles of any books. It's a hassle because I have to make hard copies of my posts and mail them to ICR before I get my money. I suggest that you read these books: Evolution: A Theory in Crisis by M. Denton The Lie: Evolution by K. Ham Creation and Change by D.F. Kelly I am just joking--they don't pay me any money. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071048220001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <tvr983danoug2a215tderdq40s2fqfpoil@4ax.com>, Michael Gray > <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:26:34 -0000, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> - Refer: <1183112794.458388.199570@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com> >> >On Jun 29, 1:01 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> In article <f608fq$pr...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> >> <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> >> > Jason wrote: >> >> > > In article <f5tl6k$53...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> >> > > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Where's the 3rd day, Jason? Do you now believe wikipedia over >> >> > >> your own >> >> > >> bible? >> >> >> >> > > The deciples worshipped on Sunday. They knew more about the time > aspects >> >> > > than we know today since they were witnesses. >> >> >> >> > So was there some kind of "old math" in place? 3 days would be more >> >> > than >> >> > 48 hours. From Friday evening to Sunday morning was only 36 or so >> >> > hours. >> >> > So did Jesus lie or did the disciples? (this isn't an essay >> >> > question. >> >> > It's a question answered only by either "Jesus" or "the disciples.") >> >> >> >> Yes, only the witnesses could properly answer the question. Any >> >> answers >> >> that I gave would only be guesses. The disciples >> > >> >The disciples never existed, Jason. They are fictional characters in >> >a fictional story. >> >> Jason has proven time andd time again that he is so retarded that he >> is quite unable to distinguish fiction from fact. >> >> -- > > And so are many advocates of evolution. Various posters have told me that > there is evidence of life evolving from non-life. Show me just one, you damn liar! >They seem to honestly > believe there is evidence that life evolved from non-life. What is the > fact? The fact is that no scientist has ever done a lab experiment that > has indicated that life can evolve from non-life. It's SPECULATION that > life can evolve from non-life. Even if a consesus of scientists believe > that at one time in history--life evolved from non-life naturally--it does > NOT mean those scientists are correct in regard to their speculations. > Various posters that honestly believe life evolved from non-life are quite > unable to distinquish fiction from fact. You are quite good at erecting a strawman and then destroying it. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >> >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The disciples >> > were probably part of the crowd. >> >> How would you know? Were you there? > > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the disciples > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible does > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the body of > Jesus was placed in the tomb. The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple was present when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a spade a spade. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071053290001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <5eklksF39dc2mU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snip >> >> > If people choose not to believe the information in the Bible, that is >> > their choice. According to the Time Almanac (2005), 1.9 billion people >> > are >> > Christians so they do believe the information in the Bible. >> >> So? That doesn't make it true. > > Many of the advocates of evolution believe that life evolved from > non-life. That doesn't make it true. Nice subject shift there Jason. Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 Jason wrote: > I understand your point: This is how I would ask the questions: > > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any > involvement of god? yes or no > > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught > in the public schools or just evolution? Do you believe something should be taught in schools that has no scientific backing? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <SGchi.6374$09.2830@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> > >> snip > >> > >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The disciples > >> > were probably part of the crowd. > >> > >> How would you know? Were you there? > > > > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the disciples > > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible does > > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the body of > > Jesus was placed in the tomb. > > The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple was present > when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a spade a > spade. According to the Bible, one disciple and the two Marys were present when Jesus was placed in the tomb. Of course, if you do not believe the Bible is true than you will not believe that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the body of Jesus was placed in the tomb. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <DHchi.6375$09.4119@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071053290001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <5eklksF39dc2mU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > >> > >> snip > >> > >> > If people choose not to believe the information in the Bible, that is > >> > their choice. According to the Time Almanac (2005), 1.9 billion people > >> > are > >> > Christians so they do believe the information in the Bible. > >> > >> So? That doesn't make it true. > > > > Many of the advocates of evolution believe that life evolved from > > non-life. That doesn't make it true. > > Nice subject shift there Jason. Thanks for the compliment. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071317290001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <DHchi.6375$09.4119@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071053290001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <5eklksF39dc2mU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> > If people choose not to believe the information in the Bible, that >> >> > is >> >> > their choice. According to the Time Almanac (2005), 1.9 billion >> >> > people >> >> > are >> >> > Christians so they do believe the information in the Bible. >> >> >> >> So? That doesn't make it true. >> > >> > Many of the advocates of evolution believe that life evolved from >> > non-life. That doesn't make it true. >> >> Nice subject shift there Jason. > > Thanks for the compliment. No problem. I checked your posting history Jason, and I see that you go back to 2005 with the bullshit you have been posting here. Same MO, same results. You need to get closer to Jesus. Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-677E57.20063928062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-2806071932410001@66-52-22-115.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>> Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any >>> involvement of god? yes or no >> That's easy: Why should I? There has been no good reason to do so. >> That's the main point for being an atheist. No one has set forth a good >> reason to believe in any gods. >> >> When posed with question whose answer is unknown, the skeptic is pretty >> darned comfortable with the answer, "As yet, the answer to that question >> is unknown." >> >> We don't feel the need to fill in the void with invented gods who, >> amazingly, fit the void so precisely that they, suddenly, simply must be >> true -- looking back post-invention, that is. >> >>> Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught >>> in the public schools or just evolution? >> ID isn't something someone can teach, because there is no teachable >> element of it. It's all preaching when it comes to ID. You have to >> invent a god(s) concept to teach; you have to invent the process by >> which the god(s) did the creating, and then, perhaps the purpose. >> >> All this invention has nothing to do with observation. And that's what >> makes it unscientific. No "textbook" of any number of pages can conceal >> that fact. >> >> And teaching post-invention is PREACHING, pure and simple. >> >> So "teaching" ID has no place in public schools. Sunday School, >> perhaps. (Bad ones.) >> >> But you have run away from one of my questions. I'll repeat it here, >> and you'll probably run again, or pretend you didn't read it: >> >> How many of the numerous creation theories do you want to bring into >> the ID curriculum? One? A dozen? Two hundred? (Don't worry, there are >> that many -- scores more, in fact.) > > Only one--Visit the Discovery Institute website for details. They have > already published a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People". Why that one instead of one of the other hundred or so? > > > > >> In other words, how far down the twisted, branched theological path do >> you want to take your 'science' students before you admit to them that >> you're NOT teaching them science at all? > > It's a basic course related to the basics of Intelligent Design. When I > took a high school biology class, we only spent about two weeks on > evolution. The teacher could cover Intelligent Design in about two weeks. No, they could cover it in 2 seconds: "Goddidit." Not very scientific but it'd be fast. > >> I anticipate that you will again run from this question. >> >> Do prove me wrong. I salivate at the opportunity. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> "Creation theories" are more accurately called "myths," but I'll set >> that aside for now for the purpose of this discussion , because I know >> how skittish you believers get around that word. >> >> I choose to call this thread a "discussion" at this time, even though >> you, the dishonest coward that you will demonstrate that you are, will >> likely run from my question, which negates the possibility that it's a >> discussion at all. >> >> --------------------------------- > > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <f63of0$e38$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > I understand your point: This is how I would ask the questions: > > > > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any > > involvement of god? yes or no > > > > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught > > in the public schools or just evolution? > > Do you believe something should be taught in schools that has no > scientific backing? If you are referring to Intelligent Design, it does have fossil evidence as scientific backing. There have been two books written related to fossil evidence that supports creation science and intelligent design. Dr. Steven Austin has a degree in geology from Penn State. He has led 15 research expeditions to the Grand Canyon. His specialty is the sedimentary processes that form rock strata and fossils. Jason Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071316160001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <SGchi.6374$09.2830@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The >> >> > disciples >> >> > were probably part of the crowd. >> >> >> >> How would you know? Were you there? >> > >> > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the >> > disciples >> > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible does >> > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the body >> > of >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. >> >> The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple was >> present >> when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a spade a >> spade. > > > According to the Bible, one disciple and the two Marys were present when > Jesus was placed in the tomb. Of course, if you do not believe the Bible > is true than you will not believe that one disciple and the two Marys were > present when the body of Jesus was placed in the tomb. > Jason Gee Jason, I read the gospels to see which disciple was there and I saw no reference to one. Perhaps you can give a reference for your assertion. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071323570001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <f63of0$e38$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > I understand your point: This is how I would ask the questions: >> > >> > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any >> > involvement of god? yes or no >> > >> > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be >> > taught >> > in the public schools or just evolution? >> >> Do you believe something should be taught in schools that has no >> scientific backing? > > If you are referring to Intelligent Design, it does have fossil evidence > as scientific backing. There have been two books written related to fossil > evidence that supports creation science and intelligent design. Dr. Steven > Austin has a degree in geology from Penn State. He has led 15 research > expeditions to the Grand Canyon. His specialty is the sedimentary > processes that form rock strata and fossils. > Jason Yes and he maintains that the Grand Canyon is less than 10,000 yeas old. It would appear to me that his specialty is bullshit! Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <6Vdhi.18044$19.13430@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071316160001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <SGchi.6374$09.2830@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> >> > >> >> snip > >> >> > >> >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The > >> >> > disciples > >> >> > were probably part of the crowd. > >> >> > >> >> How would you know? Were you there? > >> > > >> > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the > >> > disciples > >> > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible does > >> > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the body > >> > of > >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. > >> > >> The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple was > >> present > >> when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a spade a > >> spade. > > > > > > According to the Bible, one disciple and the two Marys were present when > > Jesus was placed in the tomb. Of course, if you do not believe the Bible > > is true than you will not believe that one disciple and the two Marys were > > present when the body of Jesus was placed in the tomb. > > Jason > > Gee Jason, I read the gospels to see which disciple was there and I saw no > reference to one. Perhaps you can give a reference for your assertion. Matthew 27: 57-61 Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071331170001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <6Vdhi.18044$19.13430@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071316160001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <SGchi.6374$09.2830@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> >> >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The >> >> >> > disciples >> >> >> > were probably part of the crowd. >> >> >> >> >> >> How would you know? Were you there? >> >> > >> >> > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the >> >> > disciples >> >> > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible >> >> > does >> >> > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the >> >> > body >> >> > of >> >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. >> >> >> >> The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple was >> >> present >> >> when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a >> >> spade a >> >> spade. >> > >> > >> > According to the Bible, one disciple and the two Marys were present >> > when >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. Of course, if you do not believe the >> > Bible >> > is true than you will not believe that one disciple and the two Marys >> > were >> > present when the body of Jesus was placed in the tomb. >> > Jason >> >> Gee Jason, I read the gospels to see which disciple was there and I saw >> no >> reference to one. Perhaps you can give a reference for your assertion. > > Matthew 27: 57-61 Sorry Jason, no disciple here. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <BRdhi.18042$19.4914@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071317290001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <DHchi.6375$09.4119@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2906071053290001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <5eklksF39dc2mU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > >> >> > >> >> snip > >> >> > >> >> > If people choose not to believe the information in the Bible, that > >> >> > is > >> >> > their choice. According to the Time Almanac (2005), 1.9 billion > >> >> > people > >> >> > are > >> >> > Christians so they do believe the information in the Bible. > >> >> > >> >> So? That doesn't make it true. > >> > > >> > Many of the advocates of evolution believe that life evolved from > >> > non-life. That doesn't make it true. > >> > >> Nice subject shift there Jason. > > > > Thanks for the compliment. > > No problem. I checked your posting history Jason, and I see that you go back > to 2005 with the bullshit you have been posting here. Same MO, same results. > You need to get closer to Jesus. You have to much free time on your hands. I was hoping that scientists had found some new evidence since 2005 but I was wrong. One poster referred me to a site which indicated that a scientist had been able to design an experment that caused genetic material to be developed from non-genetic material. That was an interesting experiment. However, as you know, there is a vast amount of difference between genetic material and Life. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <f63pn1$fka$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article > > <DipthotDipthot-677E57.20063928062007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > >> In article > >> <Jason-2806071932410001@66-52-22-115.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>, > >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> > >>> Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any > >>> involvement of god? yes or no > >> That's easy: Why should I? There has been no good reason to do so. > >> That's the main point for being an atheist. No one has set forth a good > >> reason to believe in any gods. > >> > >> When posed with question whose answer is unknown, the skeptic is pretty > >> darned comfortable with the answer, "As yet, the answer to that question > >> is unknown." > >> > >> We don't feel the need to fill in the void with invented gods who, > >> amazingly, fit the void so precisely that they, suddenly, simply must be > >> true -- looking back post-invention, that is. > >> > >>> Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be taught > >>> in the public schools or just evolution? > >> ID isn't something someone can teach, because there is no teachable > >> element of it. It's all preaching when it comes to ID. You have to > >> invent a god(s) concept to teach; you have to invent the process by > >> which the god(s) did the creating, and then, perhaps the purpose. > >> > >> All this invention has nothing to do with observation. And that's what > >> makes it unscientific. No "textbook" of any number of pages can conceal > >> that fact. > >> > >> And teaching post-invention is PREACHING, pure and simple. > >> > >> So "teaching" ID has no place in public schools. Sunday School, > >> perhaps. (Bad ones.) > >> > >> But you have run away from one of my questions. I'll repeat it here, > >> and you'll probably run again, or pretend you didn't read it: > >> > >> How many of the numerous creation theories do you want to bring into > >> the ID curriculum? One? A dozen? Two hundred? (Don't worry, there are > >> that many -- scores more, in fact.) > > > > Only one--Visit the Discovery Institute website for details. They have > > already published a textbook entitled, "Of Pandas and People". > > Why that one instead of one of the other hundred or so? Because it's the best one. > > > > > > > > > > >> In other words, how far down the twisted, branched theological path do > >> you want to take your 'science' students before you admit to them that > >> you're NOT teaching them science at all? > > > > It's a basic course related to the basics of Intelligent Design. When I > > took a high school biology class, we only spent about two weeks on > > evolution. The teacher could cover Intelligent Design in about two weeks. > > No, they could cover it in 2 seconds: "Goddidit." That's illegal to say in a public school classroom. The teachers would have to say that an Intelligent Designer done it. When the teachers covered evolution, the teachers would have to say, "Life evolved from non-life". > > Not very scientific but it'd be fast. > > > > > >> I anticipate that you will again run from this question. > >> > >> Do prove me wrong. I salivate at the opportunity. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> "Creation theories" are more accurately called "myths," but I'll set > >> that aside for now for the purpose of this discussion , because I know > >> how skittish you believers get around that word. > >> > >> I choose to call this thread a "discussion" at this time, even though > >> you, the dishonest coward that you will demonstrate that you are, will > >> likely run from my question, which negates the possibility that it's a > >> discussion at all. > >> > >> --------------------------------- > > > > Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <FXdhi.18047$19.9282@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071323570001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <f63of0$e38$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >> > I understand your point: This is how I would ask the questions: > >> > > >> > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any > >> > involvement of god? yes or no > >> > > >> > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be > >> > taught > >> > in the public schools or just evolution? > >> > >> Do you believe something should be taught in schools that has no > >> scientific backing? > > > > If you are referring to Intelligent Design, it does have fossil evidence > > as scientific backing. There have been two books written related to fossil > > evidence that supports creation science and intelligent design. Dr. Steven > > Austin has a degree in geology from Penn State. He has led 15 research > > expeditions to the Grand Canyon. His specialty is the sedimentary > > processes that form rock strata and fossils. > > Jason > > Yes and he maintains that the Grand Canyon is less than 10,000 yeas old. It > would appear to me that his specialty is bullshit! No, but during the expeditions to the Grand Canyon, they have to watch out for mule shit. Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <Q_dhi.18049$19.2518@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071331170001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <6Vdhi.18044$19.13430@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2906071316160001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <SGchi.6374$09.2830@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> >> > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> >> >> > >> >> >> snip > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The > >> >> >> > disciples > >> >> >> > were probably part of the crowd. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> How would you know? Were you there? > >> >> > > >> >> > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the > >> >> > disciples > >> >> > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible > >> >> > does > >> >> > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when the > >> >> > body > >> >> > of > >> >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. > >> >> > >> >> The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple was > >> >> present > >> >> when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a > >> >> spade a > >> >> spade. > >> > > >> > > >> > According to the Bible, one disciple and the two Marys were present > >> > when > >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. Of course, if you do not believe the > >> > Bible > >> > is true than you will not believe that one disciple and the two Marys > >> > were > >> > present when the body of Jesus was placed in the tomb. > >> > Jason > >> > >> Gee Jason, I read the gospels to see which disciple was there and I saw > >> no > >> reference to one. Perhaps you can give a reference for your assertion. > > > > Matthew 27: 57-61 > > Sorry Jason, no disciple here. I copied these words from the King James verison of the Bible: When the evening was come, there came a rich man of Arimathea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus's diciple. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071345110001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <FXdhi.18047$19.9282@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071323570001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <f63of0$e38$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> > I understand your point: This is how I would ask the questions: >> >> > >> >> > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any >> >> > involvement of god? yes or no >> >> > >> >> > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be >> >> > taught >> >> > in the public schools or just evolution? >> >> >> >> Do you believe something should be taught in schools that has no >> >> scientific backing? >> > >> > If you are referring to Intelligent Design, it does have fossil >> > evidence >> > as scientific backing. There have been two books written related to >> > fossil >> > evidence that supports creation science and intelligent design. Dr. >> > Steven >> > Austin has a degree in geology from Penn State. He has led 15 research >> > expeditions to the Grand Canyon. His specialty is the sedimentary >> > processes that form rock strata and fossils. >> > Jason >> >> Yes and he maintains that the Grand Canyon is less than 10,000 yeas old. >> It >> would appear to me that his specialty is bullshit! > > No, but during the expeditions to the Grand Canyon, they have to watch out > for mule shit. No Jason, the answer is bullshit!! Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071337310001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <BRdhi.18042$19.4914@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071317290001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <DHchi.6375$09.4119@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-2906071053290001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <5eklksF39dc2mU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> >> >> > If people choose not to believe the information in the Bible, >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > their choice. According to the Time Almanac (2005), 1.9 billion >> >> >> > people >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > Christians so they do believe the information in the Bible. >> >> >> >> >> >> So? That doesn't make it true. >> >> > >> >> > Many of the advocates of evolution believe that life evolved from >> >> > non-life. That doesn't make it true. >> >> >> >> Nice subject shift there Jason. >> > >> > Thanks for the compliment. >> >> No problem. I checked your posting history Jason, and I see that you go >> back >> to 2005 with the bullshit you have been posting here. Same MO, same >> results. >> You need to get closer to Jesus. > > You have to much free time on your hands. I was hoping that scientists had > found some new evidence since 2005 but I was wrong. One poster referred me > to a site which indicated that a scientist had been able to design an > experment that caused genetic material to be developed from non-genetic > material. That was an interesting experiment. However, as you know, there > is a vast amount of difference between genetic material and Life. No, you weren't hoping that. In the first place you have placed your entire faith on the hope that life won't be developed. In the second place you have posted continuously during that time so you haven't been away from the happenings in abiogenesis, In other words Jason, you're just another liar for god. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071349500001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <Q_dhi.18049$19.2518@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071331170001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <6Vdhi.18044$19.13430@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-2906071316160001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <SGchi.6374$09.2830@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:Jason-2906071056190001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> >> > In article <5ekkkiF386fk4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > There were thousands of people attending the crucifixion. The >> >> >> >> > disciples >> >> >> >> > were probably part of the crowd. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How would you know? Were you there? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It's speculation based upon the fact that at least three of the >> >> >> > disciples >> >> >> > discussed aspects of the crucifixion in their gospels. The Bible >> >> >> > does >> >> >> > indicate that one disciple and the two Marys were present when >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > body >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. >> >> >> >> >> >> The disciples didn't write the gospels. In addition, no disciple >> >> >> was >> >> >> present >> >> >> when the he was placed in the tomb. This is, of course, calling a >> >> >> spade a >> >> >> spade. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > According to the Bible, one disciple and the two Marys were present >> >> > when >> >> > Jesus was placed in the tomb. Of course, if you do not believe the >> >> > Bible >> >> > is true than you will not believe that one disciple and the two >> >> > Marys >> >> > were >> >> > present when the body of Jesus was placed in the tomb. >> >> > Jason >> >> >> >> Gee Jason, I read the gospels to see which disciple was there and I >> >> saw >> >> no >> >> reference to one. Perhaps you can give a reference for your assertion. >> > >> > Matthew 27: 57-61 >> >> Sorry Jason, no disciple here. > > I copied these words from the King James verison of the Bible: > > When the evening was come, there came a rich man of Arimathea, named > Joseph, who also himself was Jesus's diciple. The word 'disciple' isn't used in several versions of the bible. In addition, where I said above 'calling a spade a spade was aimed directly at the scenario. The use of the word disciple is a connotation that it is one of the twelve. Joseph of Arimathea was mentioned only once in the bible and it was at this spot. Not much of a disciple, was he? I guess that is why some versions say, 'one of Jesus' followers'. Amazing what you can get the bible to say, isn't it? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2906071337310001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <BRdhi.18042$19.4914@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2906071317290001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <DHchi.6375$09.4119@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-2906071053290001@66-52-22-46.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <5eklksF39dc2mU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> >> >> > If people choose not to believe the information in the Bible, >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > their choice. According to the Time Almanac (2005), 1.9 billion >> >> >> > people >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > Christians so they do believe the information in the Bible. >> >> >> >> >> >> So? That doesn't make it true. >> >> > >> >> > Many of the advocates of evolution believe that life evolved from >> >> > non-life. That doesn't make it true. >> >> >> >> Nice subject shift there Jason. >> > >> > Thanks for the compliment. >> >> No problem. I checked your posting history Jason, and I see that you go >> back >> to 2005 with the bullshit you have been posting here. Same MO, same >> results. >> You need to get closer to Jesus. > > You have to much free time on your hands. I was hoping that scientists had > found some new evidence since 2005 but I was wrong. One poster referred me > to a site which indicated that a scientist had been able to design an > experment that caused genetic material to be developed from non-genetic > material. That was an interesting experiment. However, as you know, there > is a vast amount of difference between genetic material and Life. Ah, no Jason, it doesn't take long at all. Just put 'liar for Jesus in a search engine and your picture appears :-). Quote
Guest Mike Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <ajVgi.1480$ca.1355@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2806071036540001@66-52-22-99.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>> In article <5ehuo4F3867mbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-2706071755270001@66-52-22-70.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>>> In article <mrDgi.17313$19.3321@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >>>>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:Jason-2706071727150001@66-52-22-70.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>>>>> In article <7rAgi.2306$K9.485@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >>>>>>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:Jason-2706071403510001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>>>>>>> In article <NVzgi.2269$K9.1264@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >>>>>>>>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> > news:Jason-2706071042260001@66-52-22-101.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>>>>>>>>> In article <k3m4839mgss0cijljuel3pm2nk3jonlg9c@4ax.com>, Matt >>>>>>>>>>> Silberstein >>>>>>>>>>> <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:16:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , >>>>>>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>>> (Jason) in >>>>>>>>>>>> <Jason-2606072216110001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <fqp3839gge41v4q43tmsag4qdme6g95nts@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>>>> Silberstein >>>>>>>>>>>>> <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:12:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Jason) in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Jason-2606072112370001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vfk383lau8cr3oq9f2kglqucrlkn8mgn5s@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silberstein >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:49:32 -0700, in alt.atheism , >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Jason) in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <Jason-2606071749330001@66-52-22-20.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poll indicated that over 60% of the people that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ohio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both ID and evolution be taught in the public schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if 60% wanted separate schools for blacks and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whites? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be illegal for a school board to do that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it was illegal for the school board to put ID into the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> curriculum. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you go and look up the history of complaint >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation from the bench. They started in the '50s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brown v Topeka Board of Education. When people complained >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Court making law what they specifically meant was when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Court >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that separate but "equal" schools were illegal. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we studied that case while I was in college. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The ID people should have done a better job in making sure >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> religion mixed in--they failed. Perhaps they will do a >>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>> job >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>> How? I mean that. ID is religion, you admit over and over >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> motives and goals are religious in nature and that your >>>>>>>>>>>> source >>>>>>>>>>>> material is religious. ID is religion and any attempt by its >>>>>>>>>>>> supporters to say otherwise is just lying. Do you support >>>>>>>>>>>> lying >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> promote Christianity? >>>>>>>>>>> Matt, >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are correct. However, the people in the ID movement >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> arrange >>>>>>>>>>> to do it in such a way that no court could find any evidence >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> religion. >>>>>>>>>>> They tried to do it in the Dover case but they failed. Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> never succeed. >>>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>> They will never succeed because ID contains no science. Religion >>>>>>>>>> abounds >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> ID and creation science for one important reason, it is there! >>>>>>>>> I agree that religion abounds in ID and creation science. >>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> God, >>>>>>>>> Jesus and scriptures are NEVER mentioned in the text book or >>>>>>>>> curriculum >>>>>>>>> guide--it seems to me that a judge could not call it religion. >>>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>> example, some people believe that astronauts from some other >>>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>>>> came >>>>>>>>> to this planet millions of years ago and left behind dozens of >>>>>>>>> people; >>>>>>>>> some plants and some animals. Is that idea based on religion? The >>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>> is no. In the last court case, the IDers did a terrible job since >>>>>>>>> lawyers >>>>>>>>> representing evolutionists found all sorts of evidence indicating >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> religion was involved. >>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> You don't have to specifically name your religious figure in order >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> that religion is involved. When the descriptions fit the bible then >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be assumed that it is the bible. >>>>>>> Judges are to suppose to base their rulings on evidence--not >>>>>>> assumptions. >>>>>> They do, Jason, the evidence points to religion. >>>>> It did in the Dover case. My point was that the IDers will have to make >>>>> sure there is NO evidence related to religion in the next court case. >>>> You mean they need to be more dishonest? >>> You would have to understand the "rules of evidence" before you could >>> understand the reasons for properly preparing a court case. I only know >>> about the rules of evidence since I was recently on jury duty and we had >>> to listen to a lecture from the judge related to the rules of evidence >>> before we were allowed to serve on juries. I heard that same lecture >>> several years ago. >> Jason, most all of us have been on juries. many of us have taken law courses >> in college. Many of us understand about the rules of evidence. Since I >> belong in all three categories what I don't understand is how you intend to >> take a sow and make her into a ballerina. > > If you understand the rules of evidence as well as you claim, than you > should already know that the IDers have to remove all evidence of religion > from the textbook and curriculum guide. And when you do so, you're left with nothing. Judges are suppose to base their > final decisions on EVIDENCE and not on assumptions. Rightly so. When are you going to do the same? Quote
Guest Jason Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 In article <Dkehi.18055$19.2828@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2906071345110001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <FXdhi.18047$19.9282@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-2906071323570001@66-52-22-103.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >> > In article <f63of0$e38$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > >> > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Jason wrote: > >> >> > I understand your point: This is how I would ask the questions: > >> >> > > >> >> > Do you believe humans evolved from other life-forms without any > >> >> > involvement of god? yes or no > >> >> > > >> >> > Do you believe that both evolution and intelligent design should be > >> >> > taught > >> >> > in the public schools or just evolution? > >> >> > >> >> Do you believe something should be taught in schools that has no > >> >> scientific backing? > >> > > >> > If you are referring to Intelligent Design, it does have fossil > >> > evidence > >> > as scientific backing. There have been two books written related to > >> > fossil > >> > evidence that supports creation science and intelligent design. Dr. > >> > Steven > >> > Austin has a degree in geology from Penn State. He has led 15 research > >> > expeditions to the Grand Canyon. His specialty is the sedimentary > >> > processes that form rock strata and fossils. > >> > Jason > >> > >> Yes and he maintains that the Grand Canyon is less than 10,000 yeas old. > >> It > >> would appear to me that his specialty is bullshit! > > > > No, but during the expeditions to the Grand Canyon, they have to watch out > > for mule shit. > > No Jason, the answer is bullshit!! In the report that I read related to the latest expedition, mules were mentioned since tourists use mules to carry their camping supplies. Bulls were not mentioned. Perhaps you are referring to the bull.... related to some of the posts that contained derogatory language. Quote
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