Guest David V. Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Jason wrote: > > I doubt that teachers in America are teaching false > information about the Holocaust. However, they are teaching > false information about such things as Thanksgiving. "Thanking > God" is no longer mentioned when the teachers discuss > Thanksgiving with children. Good. That will go a long way in weaning future generations off of this reliance on mythologies. One does not need a god to be thankful. One should thank the farmer for producing your food, and thank the trucker for bringing it to your market, and thank the person that cooked the wonderful meal you're about to eat. No god had a damn thing to do with any of it. The original "thanks giving" was thanking the Native Americans for helping the illegal aliens (they had no visas or passports) and then they thanked the Natives further by trying to kill them off. Nice christians. -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest johac Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <dfqj83174h9e9cqudlrct4sjuovj93ncom@4ax.com>, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:54:14 -0700, johac > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > - Refer: <jhachmann-782FFC.16541402072007@news.giganews.com> > >In article <hqug83p5d2ngfg5025p4r24ml0mmi6hqeg@4ax.com>, > > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:45:02 -0700, johac > >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> - Refer: <jhachmann-C13518.17450201072007@news.giganews.com> > >> >In article <ntpe83ljtsmv09du88vc9gaigibtvlrmpj@4ax.com>, > >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:20:45 -0700, johac > >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-F07E32.23204530062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >In article <0ucc83d0219bc6bhjmbc312nef9u5eorfb@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:30:55 -0700, johac > >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-C27601.23305529062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >In article <l9i98398eq27mk50i9r50s7rob28epstj7@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:39:20 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-10F8C1.15392028062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >In article <h1078311ckh892ma7qpjl56v0h105p40qu@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:19:06 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-E4FD13.16190627062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <dc648397hljrpucad3mdd3d8ub31lmd1gq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:15:52 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> - Refer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> <jhachmann-DB11DE.22155226062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Refer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >net > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Robibnikoff" > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > snip > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > about > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > true > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > God. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What makes your god the "true" one? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Books have been written on that subject. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Zeus > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >true > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >god? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> butt > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> any > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> time! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >With one thunderbolt tied behind his back. So could Odin. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Odin is feeling a little thor at the moment... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Thor's kid? He should be careful. He could get hammered. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> His dad could drink an ocean, apparently, just on a bet. > >> >> >> >> >> I imagine that the tyke will inherit his old man's capacity... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >I wouldn't want to get into a drinking contest with him. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Heaven forbid! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >But Satan says: "What the hell. Why not?" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> S'Hades of Gray. > >> >> > > >> >> >Aha! So you are in league with the Devil! > >> >> > >> >> Little League. > >> >> Satan's on first. > >> >> > >> >What's on second. > >> > >> Watson! There's no time to lose. > >> The Game is afoot! > > > >The game was called off due to rain. > > Oh, so there is plenty of time to lose. > Fancy a game of Whist, old chap? I never played whist. Liar's poker anyone. (Some guy named Bush taught it to me.) > > -- -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest johac Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <fkqj839i35na20kpnjciqcp9g9qs9remb4@4ax.com>, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0700, johac > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > - Refer: <jhachmann-21B2BC.16530102072007@news.giganews.com> > >In article <ekug83930fco6pkfvk4si6229p4fbvp851@4ax.com>, > > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:51:12 -0700, johac > >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> - Refer: <jhachmann-C65536.17511201072007@news.giganews.com> > >> >In article <2bqe839of0oeet6j5bn5ahckfapuln9dnm@4ax.com>, > >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:23:27 -0700, johac > >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-9C667C.23232730062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >In article <q3dc83183vrussfbg4n0uk217oqfrss1uu@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:29:32 -0700, johac > >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-D5E3F6.23293229062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >In article <5ekj7bF398uh2U1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> "johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:jhachmann-5CD649.15412328062007@news.giganews.com... > >> >> >> >> > In article <5ehujiF385pl0U1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> "johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> news:jhachmann-5CB182.16175027062007@news.giganews.com... > >> >> >> >> >> > In article <5efchvF36n37vU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> >> news:1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> >> >> > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Refer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>In article > >> >> >> >> >> >> >><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.ne > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>t>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Robibnikoff" > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > snip > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > true > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > God. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > What makes your god the "true" one? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Books have been written on that subject. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>true > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>god? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Of course. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's > >> >> >> >> >> >> > butt > >> >> >> >> >> >> > any > >> >> >> >> >> >> > time! > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> True, but as a long-time fan of Norse mythology, I think > >> >> >> >> >> >> Odin > >> >> >> >> >> >> could > >> >> >> >> >> >> give > >> >> >> >> >> >> Zeus a run for his money > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > I don't know. Maybe we could get all the gods in an arena > >> >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> > let > >> >> >> >> >> > them > >> >> >> >> >> > fight it out to see who's the toughest non-existent being. > >> >> >> >> >> > Sort > >> >> >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> >> >> > divine bum fight. :-) > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> LOL! Diety Death Match? Who knows how to do claymation? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > LOL! I wish I knew how! I'd love to put something like that on > >> >> >> >> > YouTube. > >> >> >> >> > :-) > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> That would be hilarious > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Heh! Heh! Tag team. Yaweh and Baal vs. Zeus and The FSM. :-) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> With Xena & Hera for spice! > >> >> > > >> >> >And Aphrodite (in her nightie) and Astarte! > >> >> > >> >> Let's Party! > >> >> > >> >> ding ding > >> >> > >> >> "Round Won" > >> > > >> >Can I get in on round two, or better round threesome? > >> > >> Just how round do you prefer your Godesses? > > > >Not too round, but a little 'meat' is OK. > > Are you prepared to make sacrifices for love? Uh. Depends on what I'm sacrificing. > > -- -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest David V. Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <AeydndR-J_x_ZhfbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David > V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Martin Phipps wrote: >> >>> On Jul 4, 1:47 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>> >>> >>>> In article <A5idnfhzXpow_BfbnZ2dnUVZ_hWdn...@sti.net>, >>>> "David V." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "David > V." <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> If the cell colony had evolved into a >>>>>>>> multicelled life form--we all would have seen >>>>>>>> these words on the cover of National Geographic >>>>>>>> magazine: >>>> >>>>>>>> EVOLUTION FINALLY PROVED TO BE A FACT >>>> >>>>>>> Do you know why you'll never see those words? >>>>>>> Evolution has been proven as a fact for some time >>>>>>> now. The only objections are religious. >>>> >>>>>> Evolution is a theory >>>> >>>>> Evolution is a fact. Get over it. >>>> >>>>> ...... Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. >>>>> And facts and theories are different things, not rungs >>>>> in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. ..... >>>> >>>> [snip for brevity] >>>> >>>>> - Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; >>>>> Discover, May 1981 >>>> >>>> Does Stephen Gould believe that evolution is an >>>> imperfect fact? >>> >>> >>> Why don't you read what he says. You should understand >>> it: you got an A in college biology, remember? XD >> >> I have absolutely no doubt that he read none of it and >> understood even less of it. > > I only read whatever the professor told us to read. Sorry, you got lost again. We're not talking about your pretend college classes. We're talking about the article I posted. Please try to keep up. Are you ready to admit that evolution is a fact? -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest johac Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <chqj835ntj2r2f7sog2uml1qdd009abh23@4ax.com>, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:48:17 -0700, johac > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > - Refer: <jhachmann-39D93E.16481702072007@news.giganews.com> > >In article <giug83dnupjrcnsegga5vhh53k901jcvkp@4ax.com>, > > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:44:11 -0700, johac > >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> - Refer: <jhachmann-B4B43D.17441101072007@news.giganews.com> > >> >In article <41qe83tfoice8le29tkr2q15a5k7ndjdb7@4ax.com>, > >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:39:57 -0700, johac > >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-9D2451.23395730062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >In article <o1dc831153t79bca8qe0addiio9hpratem@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:18:12 -0700, johac > >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-51A355.23181229062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >In article <nai983h7frhfr6kddnhkm21qhoe9a1700g@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:44:09 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-476633.15440928062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >In article <740783hjnp1rl69hncffbem3j5p90ls05v@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:17:50 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-5CB182.16175027062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <5efchvF36n37vU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> >> news:1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac > >> >> >> >> >> >> > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Refer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>In article > >> >> >> >> >> >> >><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.ne > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>t>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Robibnikoff" > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > snip > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > true > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > God. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > What makes your god the "true" one? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Books have been written on that subject. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>true > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>god? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Of course. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's > >> >> >> >> >> >> > butt > >> >> >> >> >> >> > any > >> >> >> >> >> >> > time! > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> True, but as a long-time fan of Norse mythology, I think > >> >> >> >> >> >> Odin > >> >> >> >> >> >> could > >> >> >> >> >> >> give > >> >> >> >> >> >> Zeus a run for his money > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >I don't know. Maybe we could get all the gods in an arena and > >> >> >> >> >> >let > >> >> >> >> >> >them > >> >> >> >> >> >fight it out to see who's the toughest non-existent being. > >> >> >> >> >> >Sort > >> >> >> >> >> >of > >> >> >> >> >> >a > >> >> >> >> >> >divine bum fight. :-) > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Is that "bum" as in "vagrant", or "bum" as in "derriere"? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Vagrants. A few years back some idiots in this country were > >> >> >> >> >paying > >> >> >> >> >homeless people to fight each other while being taped. The would > >> >> >> >> >sell > >> >> >> >> >the tapes to bigger idiots who got off watching such violence. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Police will watch anything... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Yep. They may have been the ones doing the taping. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Gaffer tape... > >> >> > > >> >> >Gaffer tape? > >> >> > >> >> A traditional police method of silencing torture victims, sorry: > >> >> voluntary interviewees, without leaving gag marks. > >> >> > >> >Aha! I thought they just took them to a room in the basement. > >> > >> Room 101, sir. > >> > >Not the rats again! > > No. > They all died of poisoning after we "interviewed" Dick Cheney. > I hope that the Hamsters are riled up enough. > Hey! Wait a minute! Where are you putting that thing? -- John #1782 "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides." - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order. Quote
Guest David V. Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Jason wrote: > Is evolution a theory? Yes or No The answer to your question can be found here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html After reading that simple explanation you will find out that evolution is a fact. .... but I sincerely doubt you'll read it or even understand it. -- Dave "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain. Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183517286.034292.161...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 5:16 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > Teaching false information is not a violation of the law--otherwise--all > > > history teachers that teach "historical revisionism" instead of historical > > > facts would be arrested. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Laws_against_Holocaust_... > > > "Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries. Many > > countries also have broader laws against libel or inciting racial > > hatred, as do a number of countries that do not specifically have laws > > against Holocaust denial, such as Canada and the United Kingdom. The > > Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on > > Cyber Crime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and > > xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an > > article 6 titled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification > > of genocide or crimes against humanity, though this does not have the > > status of law." > > I doubt that teachers in America are teaching false information about the > Holocaust. However, they are teaching false information about such things > as Thanksgiving. "Thanking God" is no longer mentioned when the teachers > discuss Thanksgiving with children. So? God doesn't exist. To claim that food comes from God is to teach false information. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 12:51 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183516292.660200.152...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <bpal83taih71ub9kiiahs3238r7vhr1...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > > > > <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > > > In alt.atheism On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:51:19 -0700, J...@nospam.com > > > > (Jason) let us all know that: > > > > > >In article <X46dnUEQvdYw_xfbnZ2dnUVZ_tOmn...@sti.net>, "David V." > > > > ><s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Martin wrote: > > > > >> > On Jul 3, 2:00 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> >> In article <MY2dnSWMf5V_ShTbnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@sti.net>, > > > > >> >> "David V." > > > > > >> >> <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >>> Jason wrote: > > > > > >> >>>> If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life > > > > >> >>>> form--we all would have seen these words on the cover of > > > > >> >>>> National Geographic magazine: > > > > > >> >>>> EVOLUTION FINALLY PROVED TO BE A FACT > > > > > >> >>> Do you know why you'll never see those words? Evolution > > > > >> >>> has been proven as a fact for some time now. The only > > > > >> >>> objections are religious. > > > > > >> >> Evolution is a theory > > > > > >> >> but > > > > > >> >> On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > >> >> We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory > > > > >> >> explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. > > > > > >> Evolution is a fact. It happened, and is happening now. That is > > > > >> not a theory, that's a fact. The explanation of how evolution > > > > >> happened is a theory, but you have to remember that > > > > >> anti-evolutionists the word "theory" ALWAYS means a "guess". They > > > > >> purposely, and dishonestly, use the wrong meaning of the word. > > > > > >According to the Nov/2004 issue of National Geographic, evolution > > > > >is a theory. > > > > > So's gravity. > > > > > Why do you keep forgetting that? Why are you so dishonest? > > > > I am not being dishonest. Were the editors and writers of the article in > > > National Geographic being dishonest when they used the term "the theory of > > > evolution". I challenge you to google "theory of evolution". You will > > > receive lots of hits. Even my dictionary refers to evolution as a theory. > > >http://users.ameritech.net/dennisreynolds1/GravitationalTheory.html > > > You are being dishonest. "Gravitational theory" gets 2,000,000 hits > > on google and is no small fraction of the hits that "Evolutionary > > theory" gets. > Is evolution a theory? Yes or No Evolution is both a theory and a fact. You said so yourself. On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <1183519429.782828.230800@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 9:24 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1183505961.078603.48...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 1:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1183472999.969640.255...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > <1183427713.076508.130...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >> > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > evidence supports creation science and does not support evolution. > > > > If the > > > > > > > > the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--that > > > > would have > > > > > > > > supported evolution theory. > > > > > > > > > Nice to see you admit that. > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_multicellularity > > > > > > > > > "The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it has been > > > > > > > seen to occur independently numerous times (in 16 different > > > > > > > protoctistan phyla). For instance, Dictyostelium is an amoeba which > > > > > > > groups together during times of food shortage, forming a colony that > > > > > > > moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba then become > > > > > > > slightly differentiated from each other. Other examples of colonial > > > > > > > organisation in protozoa are Eudorina and Volvox (the latter of which > > > > > > > consist around 10,000 cells, only about 25-35 which reproduce - 8 > > > > > > > asexually and around 15-25 sexually). It can often be hard to tell, > > > > > > > however, what is a colonial protist and what is a multicellular > > > > > > > organism in its own right. > > > > > > > > > "Most scientists accept that is by the Colonial theory that > > > > > > > Multicellular organisms evolved." > > > > > > > > If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--we > > all would > > > > > > have seen these words on the cover of National Geographic magazine: > > > > > > > > EVOLUTION > > > > > > FINALLY > > > > > > PROVED > > > > > > TO BE > > > > > > A FACT > > > > > > > > Since the cell colony did not evolve into a multicelled life form, this > > > > > > story and similar stories will be ignored and explained away in much the > > > > > > same way that posters explained away this story. > > > > > > > I wish I had access to your bathroom mirror, so I could write > > > > > "Evolution takes a long time" on it. Without that reminder, you seem > > > > > to forget that obvious fact every day. > > > > > > > Cell colonies _did_ evolve into multi-celled life - humans, cats, > > > > > walruses and lobsters are all the result of cell colonies evolving > > > > > into multi-celled life. > > > > > > An alternative theory is that God created all of the transitional forms. > > > > > But that's not a theory based on any facts nor backed up with > > > evidence. > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory > > > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. > > > > Some of the aspects of abiogenesis are not backed up with evidence--does > > that stop you from supporting abiogenesis? > > Which aspects of abiogenesis are not supported by evidence? Besides > your version, I mean: your version is not supported by evidence as you > still haven't been able to show us a fossil of your god. > > Will you at least admit that your statement yesterday "evidence > supports creation science and does not support evolution" was a lie? > Because your statement above from Jun 27th "the theory [of evolution] > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence" directly > contradicts it. > > Martin Martin, The evidence of abiogenesis that is NOT backed up with evidence are the lack of lab experiments that indicated these steps happened: > > > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > > > > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > > > reproduction) > > > > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > > > > survival) > > > > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > > > > function) Please don't try to convince me that lab experiments that prove that genetic materials can be created from non-genetic materials proves evolution. In relation to my statement: Yes, I believe that the theory of evolution explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. I would add: Some aspects of macro-evolution theory are NOT backed up with evidence. (see above--re: steps) Yes, evidence supports creation science--fossil evidence. As discussed above--not all evidence supports evolution. Quote
Guest Jason Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <HAEii.45126$5j1.3128@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <NOyii.90$yD2.20@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:Jason-0307071337440001@66-52-22-78.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >>> In article <4fyii.62$yD2.51@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > >>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:Jason-0307071304140001@66-52-22-78.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > >>>>> In article <1183487937.178514.180440@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >>>>> "Bob > >>>>> T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Jul 3, 10:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <1183472999.969640.255...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > >>>>>>> "Bob > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>>>> In article > >>>>> <1183427713.076508.130...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > >>>>>>>>> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> evidence supports creation science and does not support > >>>>>>>>>>> evolution. > >>>>>>> If the > >>>>>>>>>>> the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life > >>>>>>>>>>> form--that > >>>>>>> would have > >>>>>>>>>>> supported evolution theory. > >>>>>>>>>> Nice to see you admit that. > >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_multicellularity > >>>>>>>>>> "The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it > >>>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>>> seen to occur independently numerous times (in 16 different > >>>>>>>>>> protoctistan phyla). For instance, Dictyostelium is an amoeba > >>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>> groups together during times of food shortage, forming a > >>>>>>>>>> colony > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba then > >>>>>>>>>> become > >>>>>>>>>> slightly differentiated from each other. Other examples of > >>>>>>>>>> colonial > >>>>>>>>>> organisation in protozoa are Eudorina and Volvox (the latter > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>> consist around 10,000 cells, only about 25-35 which > >>>>>>>>>> reproduce - 8 > >>>>>>>>>> asexually and around 15-25 sexually). It can often be hard to > >>>>>>>>>> tell, > >>>>>>>>>> however, what is a colonial protist and what is a > >>>>>>>>>> multicellular > >>>>>>>>>> organism in its own right. > >>>>>>>>>> "Most scientists accept that is by the Colonial theory that > >>>>>>>>>> Multicellular organisms evolved." > >>>>>>>>>> Martin > >>>>>>>>> If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--we > >>>>> all would > >>>>>>>>> have seen these words on the cover of National Geographic > >>>>>>>>> magazine: > >>>>>>>>> EVOLUTION > >>>>>>>>> FINALLY > >>>>>>>>> PROVED > >>>>>>>>> TO BE > >>>>>>>>> A FACT > >>>>>>>>> Since the cell colony did not evolve into a multicelled life > >>>>>>>>> form, > >>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>> story and similar stories will be ignored and explained away in > >>>>>>>>> much the > >>>>>>>>> same way that posters explained away this story. > >>>>>>>> I wish I had access to your bathroom mirror, so I could write > >>>>>>>> "Evolution takes a long time" on it. Without that reminder, you > >>>>>>>> seem > >>>>>>>> to forget that obvious fact every day. > >>>>>>>> Cell colonies _did_ evolve into multi-celled life - humans, cats, > >>>>>>>> walruses and lobsters are all the result of cell colonies evolving > >>>>>>>> into multi-celled life. > >>>>>>>> - Bob T. > >>>>>>> An alternative theory is that God created all of the transitional > >>>>>>> forms. > >>>>>> That is the basic theory of theistic evolution that I have presented > >>>>>> to you several times. The physical evidence for evolution in the > >>>>>> history of life on this planet is overwhelming. We know that humans > >>>>>> share a common ancestor with chimpanzees a few millions years ago. > >>>>>> The genetic evidence, the physical evidence of our bodies, and the > >>>>>> fossil evidence all agree that humans are members of the ape family. > >>>>>> However, science cannot deny the possibility that God has been > >>>>>> carefully nurturing the primates encouraging the development of > >>>>>> creatures that have true intelligence. In this view, Adam and Eve > >>>>>> represent our first "truly human" ancestors, the ones who first became > >>>>>> aware of God. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There is no need to deny God or Jesus to accept evolution as the well- > >>>>>> founded scientific fast that it is. All you have to do is realize > >>>>>> that the Bible was written by fallible people who lived thousands of > >>>>>> years ago. Of course they didn't understand how God created us. If > >>>>>> He had explained that He created us through genetics they would not > >>>>>> have understood a word of it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Worldwide, a majority of educated Christians believe in something like > >>>>>> the theory of "theistic evolution" that I have outlined above. Unlike > >>>>>> you, most Christians see fit to deny the physical evidence in order to > >>>>>> believe in God. They assume that God is a mystery, and that they will > >>>>>> never really understand His ways. They do, however, assume that the > >>>>>> physical evidence is honest - that the evidence of millions of fossils > >>>>>> agree with the geological and genetic evidence shows that we humans > >>>>>> evolved naturally over a very long time from single-celled creatures. > >>>>>> They feel no need to read Genesis literally, and they do not doubt > >>>>>> their faith in Jesus. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Bob T. > >>>>> Bob, > >>>>> Thanks for your post. Yes, many Christians believe in thestic > >>>>> evolution. I > >>>>> visited a Christian website and found out that some of the Christians > >>>>> now > >>>>> use the terms macro-evolution and micro-evolution. They accept and > >>>>> support > >>>>> micro-evolution and do not support macro-evolution. Is it your opinion > >>>>> that micro-evolution is similar to theistic evolution? > >>>>> Jason > >>>> Not at all Jason. Theistic evolution is evolution, period. Macro and > >>>> micro > >>>> are not separate in TE. I don't know how limited your research is but you > >>>> need to go back to Google. > >>> Thanks for your post. Are you stating that those people that support > >>> Theistic evolution do not believe that God created mankind but instead > >>> believe that God created cells that eventually evolved into mankind? > >>> > >>> If so, they should just say they support evolution and leave God out of it > >>> since their beliefs conflict with the first two chapters of the Bible. > >>> Jason > >> That's what they believe, Jason, and they pretty much leave out the first > >> two chapters of Genesis. You see Jason, there are people who don't think the > >> bible should be read literally. you usually call these folks, educated > >> people :-). > > > > I call them liberal Christians. There is a church in my town that has > > liberal Christians. They support macro-evolution and abortion. I probably > > know more about the Bible than the pastor of that church. > > > > > Probably not; that pastor probably studied quite a bit in divinity > school. You, OTOH appear to rely exclusively on what your preachers tell > you. There is a difference between actual study and being spoon-fed > little bits of biblical text. Liberal preachers make be think of this verse: 11 Tim 4:2-3 Preach the gospel...for the time will come when Christians will not endure sound doctrine but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers [and preachers] in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth... Many of the members of that liberal church believe in macro-evolution and abortion--even during the third trimester. Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 1:13 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183519429.782828.230...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 9:24 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1183505961.078603.48...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 1:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1183472999.969640.255...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > <1183427713.076508.130...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > evidence supports creation science and does not support > evolution. > > > > > If the > > > > > > > > > the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--that > > > > > would have > > > > > > > > > supported evolution theory. > > > > > > > > > Nice to see you admit that. > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_multicellularity > > > > > > > > > "The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it > has been > > > > > > > > seen to occur independently numerous times (in 16 different > > > > > > > > protoctistan phyla). For instance, Dictyostelium is an > amoeba which > > > > > > > > groups together during times of food shortage, forming a > colony that > > > > > > > > moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba then become > > > > > > > > slightly differentiated from each other. Other examples of > colonial > > > > > > > > organisation in protozoa are Eudorina and Volvox (the latter > of which > > > > > > > > consist around 10,000 cells, only about 25-35 which reproduce - 8 > > > > > > > > asexually and around 15-25 sexually). It can often be hard > to tell, > > > > > > > > however, what is a colonial protist and what is a multicellular > > > > > > > > organism in its own right. > > > > > > > > > "Most scientists accept that is by the Colonial theory that > > > > > > > > Multicellular organisms evolved." > > > > > > > > If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--we > > > all would > > > > > > > have seen these words on the cover of National Geographic magazine: > > > > > > > > EVOLUTION > > > > > > > FINALLY > > > > > > > PROVED > > > > > > > TO BE > > > > > > > A FACT > > > > > > > > Since the cell colony did not evolve into a multicelled life > form, this > > > > > > > story and similar stories will be ignored and explained away > in much the > > > > > > > same way that posters explained away this story. > > > > > > > I wish I had access to your bathroom mirror, so I could write > > > > > > "Evolution takes a long time" on it. Without that reminder, you seem > > > > > > to forget that obvious fact every day. > > > > > > > Cell colonies _did_ evolve into multi-celled life - humans, cats, > > > > > > walruses and lobsters are all the result of cell colonies evolving > > > > > > into multi-celled life. > > > > > > An alternative theory is that God created all of the transitional forms. > > > > > But that's not a theory based on any facts nor backed up with > > > > evidence. > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory > > > > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. > > > > Some of the aspects of abiogenesis are not backed up with evidence--does > > > that stop you from supporting abiogenesis? > > > Which aspects of abiogenesis are not supported by evidence? Besides > > your version, I mean: your version is not supported by evidence as you > > still haven't been able to show us a fossil of your god. > > > Will you at least admit that your statement yesterday "evidence > > supports creation science and does not support evolution" was a lie? > > Because your statement above from Jun 27th "the theory [of evolution] > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence" directly > > contradicts it. > The evidence of abiogenesis that is NOT backed up with evidence are the > lack of lab experiments that indicated these steps happened: > > > > > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > > > > > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > > > > reproduction) > > > > > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > > > > > survival) > > > > > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > > > > > function) > > Please don't try to convince me that lab experiments that prove that > genetic materials can be created from non-genetic materials proves > evolution. It doesn't prove evolution. It proves abiogenesis. Tell me, Jason, at what point do you consider something alive? When is it dead? When is a plant alive? When is it dead? I can answer these questions, Jason, but I want to hear your answers first. > In relation to my statement: > Yes, I believe that the theory of evolution explains the facts that are > backed up with evidence. I would add: Some aspects of macro-evolution > theory are NOT backed up with evidence. (see above--re: steps) You can't have it both ways, Jason: either the theory evolution is supported by facts or it isn't. The facts supporting the theory of eveolution are the _facts_ of evolution and, as you admit, we do indeed have evidence supporting them. > Yes, evidence supports creation science--fossil evidence. You're a liar and you know you are a liar: you still haven't produced a single fossil of your god. All the fossil evidence is evidence of evolution: the fossil evidence clearly shows that animals in the past were different from the animals we see today. Thus, the animals changed over time. It's that simple, Jason. > As discussed above--not all evidence supports evolution. This is your assertion. Show us evidence which doesn't support evolution. Better yet, show us evidence that supports creationism. You haven't done either. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <1183523134.928358.288480@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 12:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1183518696.251527.137...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 8:50 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1183507567.422866.312...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 4:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Kerby Anderson is National Director of Probe Ministries > > International. He > > > > > > received his B.S. from Oregon State University, M.F.S. from Yale > > > > > > University, and M.A. from Georgetown University. He is the author of > > > > > > several books, including Genetic Engineering, Origin Science, Living > > > > > > Ethically in the 90s, Signs of Warning, Signs of Hope, Moral > > Dilemmas, and > > > > > > Christian Ethics in Plain Language. He also served as general editor for > > > > > > the Kregel Publications books Marriage, Family and Sexuality and > > > > > > Technology, Spirituality, & Social Trends. He is a nationally syndicated > > > > > > columnist whose editorials have appeared in the Dallas Morning News, the > > > > > > Miami Herald, the San Jose Mercury, and the Houston Post. He is the host > > > > > > of the "Probe" radio program, and frequently serves as host on "Point of > > > > > > View" (USA Radio Network). > > > > > > > > What is Probe? > > > > > > > > Probe Ministries is a non-profit ministry whose mission is to assist the > > > > > > church in renewing the minds of believers with a Christian worldview and > > > > > > to equip the church to engage the world for Christ. > > > > > > > Before we read your article, you must first give us a reason to > > > > > believe a single word that this lying Christian bastard has to say! > > > > > > Several posters told me that one of the reasons they did not want > > > > Intelligent Design taught in the public schools is because they don't want > > > > teachers to teach lies and false information to students. Kerby Anderson > > > > provides evidence that lies and false information is already being taught > > > > to students in public schools. As of yet, no posters have indicated that > > > > they do not want historical revisionism taught to public school students. > > > > > > I suggest that you visit this site. These experts in physics are not > > > > Christians but are able to think outside the box. > > > > > > If you believe that Kerby is lying, check out the sources mentioned in the > > > > notes sections. > > > > > >http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/ > > > > > Jason, you're insane. Here's what the link says. "it's always a bad > > > idea for people to decide what to believe on religious grounds and > > > then to cherry-pick the scientific facts to fit" and "I want to stay > > > away from a pre-existing cosmic magician who is there within time, for > > > all eternity, and then brings the universe into being as part of a > > > preconceived plan. I think that's just a naive, silly idea that > > > doesn't fit the leanings of most theologians these days and doesn't > > > fit the scientific facts." It in no way supports what you want us to > > > believe. The title of the article is misleading. Once again, you've > > > lead us to an article you didn't even bother to read yourself. > > > Yes, I did read it. I stated in my above post that "these experts in > > physics are not Christians but are able to think outside of the box." > > You should have said that these experts in physics are able to think > outside the box BECAUSE they are not Christians. > > Martin It's my opinion that many of the 500 or more Christians that have Ph.D degrees are able to think outside the box which is the reason they are Christians. The advocates of evolution that are atheists have become the "status quo" and the "norm" in many state colleges. Professors that are Christians are risk takers. They are even willing to risk not getting tenure. They are the ones that are able to think outside the box. Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 1:42 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183523134.928358.288...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 12:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1183518696.251527.137...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 8:50 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1183507567.422866.312...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 4:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > Kerby Anderson is National Director of Probe Ministries > > > International. He > > > > > > > received his B.S. from Oregon State University, M.F.S. from Yale > > > > > > > University, and M.A. from Georgetown University. He is the author of > > > > > > > several books, including Genetic Engineering, Origin Science, Living > > > > > > > Ethically in the 90s, Signs of Warning, Signs of Hope, Moral > > > Dilemmas, and > > > > > > > Christian Ethics in Plain Language. He also served as general > editor for > > > > > > > the Kregel Publications books Marriage, Family and Sexuality and > > > > > > > Technology, Spirituality, & Social Trends. He is a nationally > syndicated > > > > > > > columnist whose editorials have appeared in the Dallas Morning > News, the > > > > > > > Miami Herald, the San Jose Mercury, and the Houston Post. He > is the host > > > > > > > of the "Probe" radio program, and frequently serves as host on > "Point of > > > > > > > View" (USA Radio Network). > > > > > > > > What is Probe? > > > > > > > > Probe Ministries is a non-profit ministry whose mission is to > assist the > > > > > > > church in renewing the minds of believers with a Christian > worldview and > > > > > > > to equip the church to engage the world for Christ. > > > > > > > Before we read your article, you must first give us a reason to > > > > > > believe a single word that this lying Christian bastard has to say! > > > > > > Several posters told me that one of the reasons they did not want > > > > > Intelligent Design taught in the public schools is because they > don't want > > > > > teachers to teach lies and false information to students. Kerby Anderson > > > > > provides evidence that lies and false information is already being > taught > > > > > to students in public schools. As of yet, no posters have indicated that > > > > > they do not want historical revisionism taught to public school > students. > > > > > > I suggest that you visit this site. These experts in physics are not > > > > > Christians but are able to think outside the box. > > > > > > If you believe that Kerby is lying, check out the sources > mentioned in the > > > > > notes sections. > > > > > >http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/ > > > > > Jason, you're insane. Here's what the link says. "it's always a bad > > > > idea for people to decide what to believe on religious grounds and > > > > then to cherry-pick the scientific facts to fit" and "I want to stay > > > > away from a pre-existing cosmic magician who is there within time, for > > > > all eternity, and then brings the universe into being as part of a > > > > preconceived plan. I think that's just a naive, silly idea that > > > > doesn't fit the leanings of most theologians these days and doesn't > > > > fit the scientific facts." It in no way supports what you want us to > > > > believe. The title of the article is misleading. Once again, you've > > > > lead us to an article you didn't even bother to read yourself. > > > > Yes, I did read it. I stated in my above post that "these experts in > > > physics are not Christians but are able to think outside of the box." > > > You should have said that these experts in physics are able to think > > outside the box BECAUSE they are not Christians. > It's my opinion that many of the 500 or more Christians that have Ph.D > degrees are able to think outside the box which is the reason they are > Christians. Jason, Christian is another word for moron. The Christians in Utah even describe themselves as Mor(m)ons. Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <1183525655.863148.80800@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1183517286.034292.161...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 5:16 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > Teaching false information is not a violation of the law--otherwise--all > > > > history teachers that teach "historical revisionism" instead of historical > > > > facts would be arrested. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Laws_against_Holocaust_... > > > > > "Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries. Many > > > countries also have broader laws against libel or inciting racial > > > hatred, as do a number of countries that do not specifically have laws > > > against Holocaust denial, such as Canada and the United Kingdom. The > > > Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on > > > Cyber Crime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and > > > xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an > > > article 6 titled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification > > > of genocide or crimes against humanity, though this does not have the > > > status of law." > > > > I doubt that teachers in America are teaching false information about the > > Holocaust. However, they are teaching false information about such things > > as Thanksgiving. "Thanking God" is no longer mentioned when the teachers > > discuss Thanksgiving with children. > > So? God doesn't exist. To claim that food comes from God is to teach > false information. > > Martin Martin, You may want to google Thanksgiving and find out about the first Thanksgiving. Those people were thanking God for the food. The historical revisionists are now claiming it's named Thanksgiving because the settlers were "thanking" the Indians for their help. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <1183527376.705792.189030@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 1:13 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1183519429.782828.230...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 9:24 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1183505961.078603.48...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 1:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1183472999.969640.255...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <1183427713.076508.130...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > evidence supports creation science and does not support > > evolution. > > > > > > If the > > > > > > > > > > the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--that > > > > > > would have > > > > > > > > > > supported evolution theory. > > > > > > > > > > > Nice to see you admit that. > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_multicellularity > > > > > > > > > > > "The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it > > has been > > > > > > > > > seen to occur independently numerous times (in 16 different > > > > > > > > > protoctistan phyla). For instance, Dictyostelium is an > > amoeba which > > > > > > > > > groups together during times of food shortage, forming a > > colony that > > > > > > > > > moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba then become > > > > > > > > > slightly differentiated from each other. Other examples of > > colonial > > > > > > > > > organisation in protozoa are Eudorina and Volvox (the latter > > of which > > > > > > > > > consist around 10,000 cells, only about 25-35 which reproduce - 8 > > > > > > > > > asexually and around 15-25 sexually). It can often be hard > > to tell, > > > > > > > > > however, what is a colonial protist and what is a multicellular > > > > > > > > > organism in its own right. > > > > > > > > > > > "Most scientists accept that is by the Colonial theory that > > > > > > > > > Multicellular organisms evolved." > > > > > > > > > > If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--we > > > > all would > > > > > > > > have seen these words on the cover of National Geographic magazine: > > > > > > > > > > EVOLUTION > > > > > > > > FINALLY > > > > > > > > PROVED > > > > > > > > TO BE > > > > > > > > A FACT > > > > > > > > > > Since the cell colony did not evolve into a multicelled life > > form, this > > > > > > > > story and similar stories will be ignored and explained away > > in much the > > > > > > > > same way that posters explained away this story. > > > > > > > > > I wish I had access to your bathroom mirror, so I could write > > > > > > > "Evolution takes a long time" on it. Without that reminder, you seem > > > > > > > to forget that obvious fact every day. > > > > > > > > > Cell colonies _did_ evolve into multi-celled life - humans, cats, > > > > > > > walruses and lobsters are all the result of cell colonies evolving > > > > > > > into multi-celled life. > > > > > > > > An alternative theory is that God created all of the transitional forms. > > > > > > > But that's not a theory based on any facts nor backed up with > > > > > evidence. > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory > > > > > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. > > > > > > Some of the aspects of abiogenesis are not backed up with evidence--does > > > > that stop you from supporting abiogenesis? > > > > > Which aspects of abiogenesis are not supported by evidence? Besides > > > your version, I mean: your version is not supported by evidence as you > > > still haven't been able to show us a fossil of your god. > > > > > Will you at least admit that your statement yesterday "evidence > > > supports creation science and does not support evolution" was a lie? > > > Because your statement above from Jun 27th "the theory [of evolution] > > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence" directly > > > contradicts it. > > > The evidence of abiogenesis that is NOT backed up with evidence are the > > lack of lab experiments that indicated these steps happened: > > > > > > > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > > > > > > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > > > > > reproduction) > > > > > > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > > > > > > survival) > > > > > > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > > > > > > function) > > > > Please don't try to convince me that lab experiments that prove that > > genetic materials can be created from non-genetic materials proves > > evolution. > > It doesn't prove evolution. It proves abiogenesis. > > Tell me, Jason, at what point do you consider something alive? When > is it dead? When is a plant alive? When is it dead? I can answer > these questions, Jason, but I want to hear your answers first. I don't know about plants but know about animals since I was raised on a farm. It was easy to tell the difference between live animals and dead animals. Doctors and nurses in hospitals can easily determine if a person has died because of the equipment that is used. > > > In relation to my statement: > > Yes, I believe that the theory of evolution explains the facts that are > > backed up with evidence. I would add: Some aspects of macro-evolution > > theory are NOT backed up with evidence. (see above--re: steps) > > You can't have it both ways, Jason: either the theory evolution is > supported by facts or it isn't. The facts supporting the theory of > eveolution are the _facts_ of evolution and, as you admit, we do > indeed have evidence supporting them. I disagree. Some of the aspects of micro-evolution can proved to be true. Some of the aspects of macro-evolution have not been proved to be true. > > > Yes, evidence supports creation science--fossil evidence. > > You're a liar and you know you are a liar: you still haven't produced > a single fossil of your god. All the fossil evidence is evidence of > evolution: the fossil evidence clearly shows that animals in the past > were different from the animals we see today. Thus, the animals > changed over time. It's that simple, Jason. > > > As discussed above--not all evidence supports evolution. > > This is your assertion. Show us evidence which doesn't support > evolution. Better yet, show us evidence that supports creationism. > You haven't done either. I explained my point above related to the steps. > > Martin Quote
Guest Jason Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 In article <1183528036.779111.130280@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 4, 1:42 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1183523134.928358.288...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 12:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1183518696.251527.137...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 8:50 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1183507567.422866.312...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 4:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kerby Anderson is National Director of Probe Ministries > > > > International. He > > > > > > > > received his B.S. from Oregon State University, M.F.S. from Yale > > > > > > > > University, and M.A. from Georgetown University. He is the author of > > > > > > > > several books, including Genetic Engineering, Origin Science, Living > > > > > > > > Ethically in the 90s, Signs of Warning, Signs of Hope, Moral > > > > Dilemmas, and > > > > > > > > Christian Ethics in Plain Language. He also served as general > > editor for > > > > > > > > the Kregel Publications books Marriage, Family and Sexuality and > > > > > > > > Technology, Spirituality, & Social Trends. He is a nationally > > syndicated > > > > > > > > columnist whose editorials have appeared in the Dallas Morning > > News, the > > > > > > > > Miami Herald, the San Jose Mercury, and the Houston Post. He > > is the host > > > > > > > > of the "Probe" radio program, and frequently serves as host on > > "Point of > > > > > > > > View" (USA Radio Network). > > > > > > > > > > What is Probe? > > > > > > > > > > Probe Ministries is a non-profit ministry whose mission is to > > assist the > > > > > > > > church in renewing the minds of believers with a Christian > > worldview and > > > > > > > > to equip the church to engage the world for Christ. > > > > > > > > > Before we read your article, you must first give us a reason to > > > > > > > believe a single word that this lying Christian bastard has to say! > > > > > > > > Several posters told me that one of the reasons they did not want > > > > > > Intelligent Design taught in the public schools is because they > > don't want > > > > > > teachers to teach lies and false information to students. Kerby Anderson > > > > > > provides evidence that lies and false information is already being > > taught > > > > > > to students in public schools. As of yet, no posters have indicated that > > > > > > they do not want historical revisionism taught to public school > > students. > > > > > > > > I suggest that you visit this site. These experts in physics are not > > > > > > Christians but are able to think outside the box. > > > > > > > > If you believe that Kerby is lying, check out the sources > > mentioned in the > > > > > > notes sections. > > > > > > > >http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/ > > > > > > > Jason, you're insane. Here's what the link says. "it's always a bad > > > > > idea for people to decide what to believe on religious grounds and > > > > > then to cherry-pick the scientific facts to fit" and "I want to stay > > > > > away from a pre-existing cosmic magician who is there within time, for > > > > > all eternity, and then brings the universe into being as part of a > > > > > preconceived plan. I think that's just a naive, silly idea that > > > > > doesn't fit the leanings of most theologians these days and doesn't > > > > > fit the scientific facts." It in no way supports what you want us to > > > > > believe. The title of the article is misleading. Once again, you've > > > > > lead us to an article you didn't even bother to read yourself. > > > > > > Yes, I did read it. I stated in my above post that "these experts in > > > > physics are not Christians but are able to think outside of the box." > > > > > You should have said that these experts in physics are able to think > > > outside the box BECAUSE they are not Christians. > > > It's my opinion that many of the 500 or more Christians that have Ph.D > > degrees are able to think outside the box which is the reason they are > > Christians. > > Jason, Christian is another word for moron. The Christians in Utah > even describe themselves as Mor(m)ons. > > Martin Martin, I challenge you to walk into a Mormon church and call them morons. Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 2:08 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183528036.779111.130...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 1:42 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1183523134.928358.288...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 12:23 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > <1183518696.251527.137...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 8:50 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article <1183507567.422866.312...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > > Martin > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 4:25 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kerby Anderson is National Director of Probe Ministries > > > > > International. He > > > > > > > > > received his B.S. from Oregon State University, M.F.S. from Yale > > > > > > > > > University, and M.A. from Georgetown University. He is the > author of > > > > > > > > > several books, including Genetic Engineering, Origin > Science, Living > > > > > > > > > Ethically in the 90s, Signs of Warning, Signs of Hope, Moral > > > > > Dilemmas, and > > > > > > > > > Christian Ethics in Plain Language. He also served as general > > > editor for > > > > > > > > > the Kregel Publications books Marriage, Family and Sexuality and > > > > > > > > > Technology, Spirituality, & Social Trends. He is a nationally > > > syndicated > > > > > > > > > columnist whose editorials have appeared in the Dallas Morning > > > News, the > > > > > > > > > Miami Herald, the San Jose Mercury, and the Houston Post. He > > > is the host > > > > > > > > > of the "Probe" radio program, and frequently serves as host on > > > "Point of > > > > > > > > > View" (USA Radio Network). > > > > > > > > > > What is Probe? > > > > > > > > > > Probe Ministries is a non-profit ministry whose mission is to > > > assist the > > > > > > > > > church in renewing the minds of believers with a Christian > > > worldview and > > > > > > > > > to equip the church to engage the world for Christ. > > > > > > > > > Before we read your article, you must first give us a reason to > > > > > > > > believe a single word that this lying Christian bastard has > to say! > > > > > > > > Several posters told me that one of the reasons they did not want > > > > > > > Intelligent Design taught in the public schools is because they > > > don't want > > > > > > > teachers to teach lies and false information to students. > Kerby Anderson > > > > > > > provides evidence that lies and false information is already being > > > taught > > > > > > > to students in public schools. As of yet, no posters have > indicated that > > > > > > > they do not want historical revisionism taught to public school > > > students. > > > > > > > > I suggest that you visit this site. These experts in physics are not > > > > > > > Christians but are able to think outside the box. > > > > > > > > If you believe that Kerby is lying, check out the sources > > > mentioned in the > > > > > > > notes sections. > > > > > > > >http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/07/03/paul_davies/ > > > > > > > Jason, you're insane. Here's what the link says. "it's always a bad > > > > > > idea for people to decide what to believe on religious grounds and > > > > > > then to cherry-pick the scientific facts to fit" and "I want to stay > > > > > > away from a pre-existing cosmic magician who is there within time, for > > > > > > all eternity, and then brings the universe into being as part of a > > > > > > preconceived plan. I think that's just a naive, silly idea that > > > > > > doesn't fit the leanings of most theologians these days and doesn't > > > > > > fit the scientific facts." It in no way supports what you want us to > > > > > > believe. The title of the article is misleading. Once again, you've > > > > > > lead us to an article you didn't even bother to read yourself. > > > > > > Yes, I did read it. I stated in my above post that "these experts in > > > > > physics are not Christians but are able to think outside of the box." > > > > > You should have said that these experts in physics are able to think > > > > outside the box BECAUSE they are not Christians. > > > > It's my opinion that many of the 500 or more Christians that have Ph.D > > > degrees are able to think outside the box which is the reason they are > > > Christians. > > > Jason, Christian is another word for moron. The Christians in Utah > > even describe themselves as Mor(m)ons. > I challenge you to walk into a Mormon church and call them morons. They are morons, Jason, regardless of what you and I have to say about it. Perhaps you can let me know where there is a mormon church here in Taiwan. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 2:06 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183527376.705792.189...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 1:13 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1183519429.782828.230...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 9:24 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <1183505961.078603.48...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Martin > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 4, 1:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > <1183472999.969640.255...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <1183427713.076508.130...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > > > > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > evidence supports creation science and does not support > > > evolution. > > > > > > > If the > > > > > > > > > > > the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life > form--that > > > > > > > would have > > > > > > > > > > > supported evolution theory. > > > > > > > > > > > Nice to see you admit that. > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_multicellularity > > > > > > > > > > > "The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it > > > has been > > > > > > > > > > seen to occur independently numerous times (in 16 different > > > > > > > > > > protoctistan phyla). For instance, Dictyostelium is an > > > amoeba which > > > > > > > > > > groups together during times of food shortage, forming a > > > colony that > > > > > > > > > > moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba > then become > > > > > > > > > > slightly differentiated from each other. Other examples of > > > colonial > > > > > > > > > > organisation in protozoa are Eudorina and Volvox (the latter > > > of which > > > > > > > > > > consist around 10,000 cells, only about 25-35 which > reproduce - 8 > > > > > > > > > > asexually and around 15-25 sexually). It can often be hard > > > to tell, > > > > > > > > > > however, what is a colonial protist and what is a > multicellular > > > > > > > > > > organism in its own right. > > > > > > > > > > > "Most scientists accept that is by the Colonial theory that > > > > > > > > > > Multicellular organisms evolved." > > > > > > > > > > If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--we > > > > > all would > > > > > > > > > have seen these words on the cover of National Geographic > magazine: > > > > > > > > > > EVOLUTION > > > > > > > > > FINALLY > > > > > > > > > PROVED > > > > > > > > > TO BE > > > > > > > > > A FACT > > > > > > > > > > Since the cell colony did not evolve into a multicelled life > > > form, this > > > > > > > > > story and similar stories will be ignored and explained away > > > in much the > > > > > > > > > same way that posters explained away this story. > > > > > > > > > I wish I had access to your bathroom mirror, so I could write > > > > > > > > "Evolution takes a long time" on it. Without that reminder, > you seem > > > > > > > > to forget that obvious fact every day. > > > > > > > > > Cell colonies _did_ evolve into multi-celled life - humans, cats, > > > > > > > > walruses and lobsters are all the result of cell colonies evolving > > > > > > > > into multi-celled life. > > > > > > > > An alternative theory is that God created all of the > transitional forms. > > > > > > > But that's not a theory based on any facts nor backed up with > > > > > > evidence. > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2:34 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > We are in agreement--evolution is a theory. Yes, the theory > > > > > > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence. > > > > > > Some of the aspects of abiogenesis are not backed up with evidence--does > > > > > that stop you from supporting abiogenesis? > > > > > Which aspects of abiogenesis are not supported by evidence? Besides > > > > your version, I mean: your version is not supported by evidence as you > > > > still haven't been able to show us a fossil of your god. > > > > > Will you at least admit that your statement yesterday "evidence > > > > supports creation science and does not support evolution" was a lie? > > > > Because your statement above from Jun 27th "the theory [of evolution] > > > > explains the facts that are backed up with evidence" directly > > > > contradicts it. > > > > The evidence of abiogenesis that is NOT backed up with evidence are the > > > lack of lab experiments that indicated these steps happened: > > > > > > > > STEP 1 Single cell (example: bacteria) > > > > > > > STEP 2 Single animal cell (with DNA nucleus capable of sexual > > > > > > > reproduction) > > > > > > > STEP 3 Animal cell colony (with cells depending upon each other for > > > > > > > survival) > > > > > > > STEP 4 Multicelled animal (with cells differentiated according to > > > > > > > function) > > > > Please don't try to convince me that lab experiments that prove that > > > genetic materials can be created from non-genetic materials proves > > > evolution. > > > It doesn't prove evolution. It proves abiogenesis. > > > Tell me, Jason, at what point do you consider something alive? When > > is it dead? When is a plant alive? When is it dead? I can answer > > these questions, Jason, but I want to hear your answers first. > > I don't know about plants but know about animals since I was raised on a > farm. It was easy to tell the difference between live animals and dead > animals. Doctors and nurses in hospitals can easily determine if a person > has died because of the equipment that is used. You still haven't answered the question, Jason. When is something alive? > > > In relation to my statement: > > > Yes, I believe that the theory of evolution explains the facts that are > > > backed up with evidence. I would add: Some aspects of macro-evolution > > > theory are NOT backed up with evidence. (see above--re: steps) > > > You can't have it both ways, Jason: either the theory evolution is > > supported by facts or it isn't. The facts supporting the theory of > > eveolution are the _facts_ of evolution and, as you admit, we do > > indeed have evidence supporting them. > > I disagree. Some of the aspects of micro-evolution can proved to be true. > Some of the aspects of macro-evolution have not been proved to be true. Which ones? > > > Yes, evidence supports creation science--fossil evidence. > > > You're a liar and you know you are a liar: you still haven't produced > > a single fossil of your god. All the fossil evidence is evidence of > > evolution: the fossil evidence clearly shows that animals in the past > > were different from the animals we see today. Thus, the animals > > changed over time. It's that simple, Jason. No response, Jason? > > > As discussed above--not all evidence supports evolution. > > > This is your assertion. Show us evidence which doesn't support > > evolution. Better yet, show us evidence that supports creationism. > > You haven't done either. > > I explained my point above related to the steps. You never explain anything, Jason: you just duck every question you are asked. What criteria do you sue to determine if something is alive, Jason? (Remember, you have often claimed that you would read about the experiment proving abiogenesis.) What evidence do you have Jason that suggests that "macro-evolution" never happened? What fossil evidence supports creationism? Do you have a fossil of your god? You never answer a single question put to you, Jason. Any college professor who gave you an A for biology had to be a fraud! Martin Quote
Guest Martin Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Jul 4, 1:51 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1183525655.863148.80...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article <1183517286.034292.161...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 5:16 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > Teaching false information is not a violation of the law--otherwise--all > > > > > history teachers that teach "historical revisionism" instead of > historical > > > > > facts would be arrested. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Laws_against_Holocaust_... > > > > > "Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries. Many > > > > countries also have broader laws against libel or inciting racial > > > > hatred, as do a number of countries that do not specifically have laws > > > > against Holocaust denial, such as Canada and the United Kingdom. The > > > > Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on > > > > Cyber Crime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and > > > > xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an > > > > article 6 titled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification > > > > of genocide or crimes against humanity, though this does not have the > > > > status of law." > > > > I doubt that teachers in America are teaching false information about the > > > Holocaust. However, they are teaching false information about such things > > > as Thanksgiving. "Thanking God" is no longer mentioned when the teachers > > > discuss Thanksgiving with children. > > > So? God doesn't exist. To claim that food comes from God is to teach > > false information. > You may want to google Thanksgiving and find out about the first > Thanksgiving. Those people were thanking God for the food. So? Those people were morons. Surely they remember growing the food themselves. Why then would they pretend the food came from some imaginary god? Martin Quote
Guest cactus Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <TBEii.45127$5j1.29318@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <H5qdnU_4BMCgXBfbnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." >>> <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <duqdnZMbs7B3NBfbnZ2dnUVZ_qOpnZ2d@sti.net>, "David >>>>> V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's my opinion that if evolutionists honestly believed >>>>>>> that childen would laugh at creation science and would >>>>>>> understand that evolution made much more sense than >>>>>>> creation science--that they would not ever be concerned >>>>>>> when many school systems started teaching intelligent >>>>>>> design. >>>>>> Your opinion, as usual, is not based on reality. >>>>>> >>>>>> Creationism is not a science, it is a religious dogma. It >>>>>> has no place in public schools or in any science class. >>>>>> >>>>>> ID is not a science, it is a religious dogma. It has no >>>>>> place in public schools or in any science class. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there some simpler way I can explain it so that you will >>>>>> understand? >>>>> Dave, See my post to Bob. >>>> No. There are way too many postings in this thread. I'm not going >>>> to waste my time searching for your reply to someone else. >>>> >>>> Are you willing to concede that evolution is a fact? >>> Hello, >>> Please read the following report. If the lawyers that worked for the >>> evolutionists in the Dover case really were concerned about children >>> learning false information, they would file lawsuits against school >>> systems that taught historical revisionism instead of historical facts. >>> This is a report about historical revisionism: >>> >>> "What Are Some Examples of Historical Revisionism?" >>> >>> source: Probe Ministries website >>> >>> Dear Kerby, >>> >>> I have heard you discuss the topic of historical revisionism on radio. I >>> told my son about this, and he doesn't believe it. Do you have some >>> examples of how our history has been revised from the original? >>> >>> Many historians have wanted to secularize our founders. Take this quote >>> from W.E. Woodward. He wrote that "The name of Jesus Christ is not >>> mentioned even once in the vast collection of Washington's published >>> letters."{1} >>> >>> Anyone who has read some of Washington's writing knows he mentions God and >>> divine providence. But it isn't too difficult to also find times in which >>> he mentions Jesus Christ. For example, when George Washington wrote to the >>> Delaware Indian Chiefs (June 12, 1779) he said: "You do well to wish to >>> learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus >>> Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. >>> Congress will do every thing they can to assist you in this wise >>> intention."{2} >>> >>> Other examples are also available. For example, a well-worn, handwritten >>> prayer book found among Washington's personal writings after his death had >>> the name "Jesus Christ" used sixteen times. {3} >>> >>> Often historical revisionism is done by selective omission. Consider this >>> famous quote from a book on American history by Kenneth Davis.{4} In 1775, >>> Patrick Henry asked, "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased >>> at the price of chains and slavery?" Davis then picks up the quote again >>> with the final statement by Patrick Henry: "I know not what course others >>> may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death." >>> >>> Technically the quote is correct, but what is missing is very important. >>> The entire quote should read: "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be >>> purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I >>> know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or >>> give me death." >>> >>> Davis does the same thing when he cites the Mayflower Compact. "We whose >>> names are under-written . . . do by these presents solemnly and mutually >>> in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine our selves >>> together into a civil body politick, for our better ordering and >>> preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid." >>> >>> Some important points are omitted. The section should read: "We whose >>> names are under-written having undertaken, for the glory of God, and >>> advancement of the Christian faith and honor of our king and country, a >>> voyage to the first colonie in the Northern parts of Virginia do by these >>> presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God, and one another, >>> covenant and combine our selves together into a civil body politick, for >>> our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends >>> aforesaid." >>> >>> Some of the best documented cases of historical revision were provided by >>> the work of Paul Vitz and funded by the U.S. Department of Education. He >>> notes that "One social studies book has thirty pages on the Pilgrims, >>> including the first Thanksgiving. But there is not one word (or image) >>> that referred to religion as even a part of the Pilgrims' life." {6} >>> >>> Another textbook said that "Pilgrims are people who take long trips." They >>> were described entirely without reference to religion. One reference said >>> the Pilgrims "wanted to give thanks for all they had" but never mentioned >>> that it was God to whom they wanted to give thanks.{7} >>> >>> Historical revisionism is a sad fact of American education today. Students >>> are not getting the whole story, and often references to religion and >>> Christianity are left out. >>> >>> >>> Kerby Anderson >>> Probe Ministries >>> >>> Notes >>> >>> 1. W.E. Woodward, George Washington: The Image and the Man (New York: Boni >>> and Liverlight, 1926), 142. >>> >>> 2. George Washington, The Writings of George Washington (Washington, DC: >>> Government Printing Office, 1932), Vol. XV, 55. >>> >>> 3. Manuscript Prayer-Book Written by George Washington (Philadelphia, 1891). >>> >>> 4. Kenneth C. Davis, Don't Know Much About History (New York: Avon Books, >>> 1990), 61. >>> >>> 5. Davis, 21. >>> >>> 6. Paul Vitz, Censorship: Evidence of Bias in Our Children's Textbooks >>> (Michigan: Servant Books, 1986), 3. >>> >>> 7. Vitz, 18-19. >>> >>> Suggested Reading >>> >>> David Barton, Original Intent (Aledo, TX: WallBuilders Press, 1996), > Chapter 16. >>> Paul Vitz, Censorship: Evidence of Bias in Our Children's Textbooks >>> (Michigan: Servant Books, 1986 >>> >>> >>> >>> About the Author >>> >>> Kerby Anderson is National Director of Probe Ministries International. He >>> received his B.S. from Oregon State University, M.F.S. from Yale >>> University, and M.A. from Georgetown University. He is the author of >>> several books, including Genetic Engineering, Origin Science, Living >>> Ethically in the 90s, Signs of Warning, Signs of Hope, Moral Dilemmas, and >>> Christian Ethics in Plain Language. He also served as general editor for >>> the Kregel Publications books Marriage, Family and Sexuality and >>> Technology, Spirituality, & Social Trends. He is a nationally syndicated >>> columnist whose editorials have appeared in the Dallas Morning News, the >>> Miami Herald, the San Jose Mercury, and the Houston Post. He is the host >>> of the "Probe" radio program, and frequently serves as host on "Point of >>> View" (USA Radio Network). >>> >>> What is Probe? >>> >>> Probe Ministries is a non-profit ministry whose mission is to assist the >>> church in renewing the minds of believers with a Christian worldview and >>> to equip the church to engage the world for Christ. Probe fulfills this >>> mission through our Mind Games conferences for youth and adults, our 3 1/2 >>> minute daily radio program, and our extensive Web site at http://www.probe.org. >>> >>> Further information about Probe's materials and ministry may be obtained >>> by contacting us at: >>> >>> Probe Ministries >>> 1900 Firman Drive, Suite 100 >>> Richardson, TX 75081 >>> (972) 480-0240 FAX (972) 644-9664 >>> info@probe.orgThis email address is being protected from spam bots, you >>> need Javascript enabled to view it >>> http://www.probe.org >>> >>> >> Jason, didn't you post that earlier? > > Yes--I found it on the Probe Ministries website. > > Why did you post it again? Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:15:25 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote: - Refer: <hhEii.45116$5j1.39870@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> >Robibnikoff wrote: >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snipo >>> I see it different. I see evolutionists that that rush to court to stop >>> any school systems from teaching Intelligent Design. They do not want any >>> competition. >> >> Why do you keep telling this lie? > >Probably because he can't handle the truth. Is it better for him to >live a lie or die of the truth? I vote for "die". -- Quote
Guest cactus Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <HAEii.45126$5j1.3128@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <NOyii.90$yD2.20@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:Jason-0307071337440001@66-52-22-78.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>>> In article <4fyii.62$yD2.51@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >>>>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:Jason-0307071304140001@66-52-22-78.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>>>>> In article <1183487937.178514.180440@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>> "Bob >>>>>>> T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 10:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <1183472999.969640.255...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>> "Bob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 9:37 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>> <1183427713.076508.130...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin >>>>>>>>>>> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:44 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence supports creation science and does not support >>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution. >>>>>>>>> If the >>>>>>>>>>>>> the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life >>>>>>>>>>>>> form--that >>>>>>>>> would have >>>>>>>>>>>>> supported evolution theory. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nice to see you admit that. >>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_multicellularity >>>>>>>>>>>> "The advantage of the Colonial Theory hypothesis is that it >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>> seen to occur independently numerous times (in 16 different >>>>>>>>>>>> protoctistan phyla). For instance, Dictyostelium is an amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> groups together during times of food shortage, forming a >>>>>>>>>>>> colony >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> moves as one to a new location. Some of these amoeba then >>>>>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>> slightly differentiated from each other. Other examples of >>>>>>>>>>>> colonial >>>>>>>>>>>> organisation in protozoa are Eudorina and Volvox (the latter >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> consist around 10,000 cells, only about 25-35 which >>>>>>>>>>>> reproduce - 8 >>>>>>>>>>>> asexually and around 15-25 sexually). It can often be hard to >>>>>>>>>>>> tell, >>>>>>>>>>>> however, what is a colonial protist and what is a >>>>>>>>>>>> multicellular >>>>>>>>>>>> organism in its own right. >>>>>>>>>>>> "Most scientists accept that is by the Colonial theory that >>>>>>>>>>>> Multicellular organisms evolved." >>>>>>>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>>>>>> If the cell colony had evolved into a multicelled life form--we >>>>>>> all would >>>>>>>>>>> have seen these words on the cover of National Geographic >>>>>>>>>>> magazine: >>>>>>>>>>> EVOLUTION >>>>>>>>>>> FINALLY >>>>>>>>>>> PROVED >>>>>>>>>>> TO BE >>>>>>>>>>> A FACT >>>>>>>>>>> Since the cell colony did not evolve into a multicelled life >>>>>>>>>>> form, >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> story and similar stories will be ignored and explained away in >>>>>>>>>>> much the >>>>>>>>>>> same way that posters explained away this story. >>>>>>>>>> I wish I had access to your bathroom mirror, so I could write >>>>>>>>>> "Evolution takes a long time" on it. Without that reminder, you >>>>>>>>>> seem >>>>>>>>>> to forget that obvious fact every day. >>>>>>>>>> Cell colonies _did_ evolve into multi-celled life - humans, cats, >>>>>>>>>> walruses and lobsters are all the result of cell colonies evolving >>>>>>>>>> into multi-celled life. >>>>>>>>>> - Bob T. >>>>>>>>> An alternative theory is that God created all of the transitional >>>>>>>>> forms. >>>>>>>> That is the basic theory of theistic evolution that I have presented >>>>>>>> to you several times. The physical evidence for evolution in the >>>>>>>> history of life on this planet is overwhelming. We know that humans >>>>>>>> share a common ancestor with chimpanzees a few millions years ago. >>>>>>>> The genetic evidence, the physical evidence of our bodies, and the >>>>>>>> fossil evidence all agree that humans are members of the ape family. >>>>>>>> However, science cannot deny the possibility that God has been >>>>>>>> carefully nurturing the primates encouraging the development of >>>>>>>> creatures that have true intelligence. In this view, Adam and Eve >>>>>>>> represent our first "truly human" ancestors, the ones who first became >>>>>>>> aware of God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no need to deny God or Jesus to accept evolution as the well- >>>>>>>> founded scientific fast that it is. All you have to do is realize >>>>>>>> that the Bible was written by fallible people who lived thousands of >>>>>>>> years ago. Of course they didn't understand how God created us. If >>>>>>>> He had explained that He created us through genetics they would not >>>>>>>> have understood a word of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Worldwide, a majority of educated Christians believe in something like >>>>>>>> the theory of "theistic evolution" that I have outlined above. Unlike >>>>>>>> you, most Christians see fit to deny the physical evidence in order to >>>>>>>> believe in God. They assume that God is a mystery, and that they will >>>>>>>> never really understand His ways. They do, however, assume that the >>>>>>>> physical evidence is honest - that the evidence of millions of fossils >>>>>>>> agree with the geological and genetic evidence shows that we humans >>>>>>>> evolved naturally over a very long time from single-celled creatures. >>>>>>>> They feel no need to read Genesis literally, and they do not doubt >>>>>>>> their faith in Jesus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Bob T. >>>>>>> Bob, >>>>>>> Thanks for your post. Yes, many Christians believe in thestic >>>>>>> evolution. I >>>>>>> visited a Christian website and found out that some of the Christians >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> use the terms macro-evolution and micro-evolution. They accept and >>>>>>> support >>>>>>> micro-evolution and do not support macro-evolution. Is it your opinion >>>>>>> that micro-evolution is similar to theistic evolution? >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>> Not at all Jason. Theistic evolution is evolution, period. Macro and >>>>>> micro >>>>>> are not separate in TE. I don't know how limited your research is but you >>>>>> need to go back to Google. >>>>> Thanks for your post. Are you stating that those people that support >>>>> Theistic evolution do not believe that God created mankind but instead >>>>> believe that God created cells that eventually evolved into mankind? >>>>> >>>>> If so, they should just say they support evolution and leave God out of it >>>>> since their beliefs conflict with the first two chapters of the Bible. >>>>> Jason >>>> That's what they believe, Jason, and they pretty much leave out the first >>>> two chapters of Genesis. You see Jason, there are people who don't > think the >>>> bible should be read literally. you usually call these folks, educated >>>> people :-). >>> I call them liberal Christians. There is a church in my town that has >>> liberal Christians. They support macro-evolution and abortion. I probably >>> know more about the Bible than the pastor of that church. >>> >>> >> Probably not; that pastor probably studied quite a bit in divinity >> school. You, OTOH appear to rely exclusively on what your preachers tell >> you. There is a difference between actual study and being spoon-fed >> little bits of biblical text. > > > Liberal preachers make be think of this verse: > > 11 Tim 4:2-3 > Preach the gospel...for the time will come when Christians will not endure > sound doctrine but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will > accumulate for themselves teachers [and preachers] in accordance to their > own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth... I don't know the text, since I don't know the Greek Testament, but I would say that it applies precisely to you. You do not have sound doctrine because your faith is too weak to deal with the truth. Notwithstanding, you cling to the lies you are fed because you like them. > > Many of the members of that liberal church believe in macro-evolution and > abortion--even during the third trimester. > And how do you know this? Did you talk to them? Or did your preachers tickle your ears with pleasant slanders? Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:56:43 -0700, johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: - Refer: <jhachmann-74069F.21564303072007@news.giganews.com> >In article <fkqj839i35na20kpnjciqcp9g9qs9remb4@4ax.com>, > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:53:01 -0700, johac >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> - Refer: <jhachmann-21B2BC.16530102072007@news.giganews.com> >> >In article <ekug83930fco6pkfvk4si6229p4fbvp851@4ax.com>, >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:51:12 -0700, johac >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-C65536.17511201072007@news.giganews.com> >> >> >In article <2bqe839of0oeet6j5bn5ahckfapuln9dnm@4ax.com>, >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:23:27 -0700, johac >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-9C667C.23232730062007@news.giganews.com> >> >> >> >In article <q3dc83183vrussfbg4n0uk217oqfrss1uu@4ax.com>, >> >> >> > Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:29:32 -0700, johac >> >> >> >> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-D5E3F6.23293229062007@news.giganews.com> >> >> >> >> >In article <5ekj7bF398uh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> news:jhachmann-5CD649.15412328062007@news.giganews.com... >> >> >> >> >> > In article <5ehujiF385pl0U1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> "johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> >> news:jhachmann-5CB182.16175027062007@news.giganews.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > In article <5efchvF36n37vU1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:1vj3835t86vajghq9n05jc1n7qdhe7ntud@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:58:27 -0700, johac >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Refer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <jhachmann-2EB388.15582726062007@news.giganews.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>In article >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >><Jason-2506071038350001@66-52-22-83.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.ne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>t>, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <5ea5jrF383thsU1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Robibnikoff" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > snip >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > If they read their Bibles, they will know all about >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > true >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > God. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > What makes your god the "true" one? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Books have been written on that subject. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I read books on Greek mythology. Does that mean that Zeus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>true >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>god? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Of course. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The non-existent Zeus can kick the non-existent YHWH's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > butt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > any >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > time! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> True, but as a long-time fan of Norse mythology, I think >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Odin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> could >> >> >> >> >> >> >> give >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Zeus a run for his money >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I don't know. Maybe we could get all the gods in an arena >> >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > let >> >> >> >> >> >> > them >> >> >> >> >> >> > fight it out to see who's the toughest non-existent being. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sort >> >> >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> >> > a >> >> >> >> >> >> > divine bum fight. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> LOL! Diety Death Match? Who knows how to do claymation? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > LOL! I wish I knew how! I'd love to put something like that on >> >> >> >> >> > YouTube. >> >> >> >> >> > :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That would be hilarious >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Heh! Heh! Tag team. Yaweh and Baal vs. Zeus and The FSM. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With Xena & Hera for spice! >> >> >> > >> >> >> >And Aphrodite (in her nightie) and Astarte! >> >> >> >> >> >> Let's Party! >> >> >> >> >> >> ding ding >> >> >> >> >> >> "Round Won" >> >> > >> >> >Can I get in on round two, or better round threesome? >> >> >> >> Just how round do you prefer your Godesses? >> > >> >Not too round, but a little 'meat' is OK. >> >> Are you prepared to make sacrifices for love? > >Uh. Depends on what I'm sacrificing. Jason. -- Quote
Guest cactus Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Michael Gray wrote: > On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:15:25 GMT, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote: > - Refer: <hhEii.45116$5j1.39870@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> >> Robibnikoff wrote: >>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>> >>> snipo >>>> I see it different. I see evolutionists that that rush to court to stop >>>> any school systems from teaching Intelligent Design. They do not want any >>>> competition. >>> Why do you keep telling this lie? >> Probably because he can't handle the truth. Is it better for him to >> live a lie or die of the truth? > > I vote for "die". > > -- When I worked in the mental hospitals I met people on anti psychotic medications who missed the voices that told them what to do. He's not psychotic, so he doesn't have to give up anything to function in society. He has nothing to gain from the truth at this point. And yet he holds us all in thrall as we watch him repeat outrageous lies, incessantly distort science, post repeated screeds from known hypocrites, and ignore everything we say. Who is really the nut case? Quote
Guest John Baker Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:14:33 -0700, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 4, 9:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> I was told by advisers to never have arguments with professors >> since it could have an effect upon the final grades. > >Once again, you prove that you never got a proper education. >Qualified professors WELCOME arguments, especially during class. It >is MUCH more interesting than a dry lecture. And often allows them to make a point much more effectively. > >Martin Quote
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