Guest Frank Mayhar Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:42:57 -0700, Jason wrote: > I disagree. I have had to deal with one nut case professor that seemed > to hate Christians. There are probably other nut case professors in > other colleges that also try to humiliate Christians. On the other hand, I had to deal with a nutcase Christian professor who just couldn't stand the fact that I was an atheist taking his course. Apparently I was a threat to all his little Christian students. So of course for my "project significant learnings" (this was a sociology course) I described my outlook and philosophy. (Heh, there was one kid who just couldn't imagine how I could not believe in "God." And another who said that she would pray for me; I just told her, "you do that." That was 1986. What was that about all prayers being answered?) The professor also didn't like it that on the first day of class, when he drew three concentric circles and labelled them "body," "mind" and "spirit" I immediately raised my hand to object to the last one. I made a D in that course. Note that this was at a state-funded college. He was (mis)using public funds to preach to his little Christian kids. Oh, and, "Jason?" I never once saw any professor try to "humiliate Christians." Never. I haven't even _heard_ about it except from hypersensitive idiot fundies such as yourself. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar Quote
Guest The Chief Instigator Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes: >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in >snip >> Big Brother brainwashed the children by teaching the students what he >> wanted them to learn. He did not allow the students to learn two different >> theories. >Do you honestly think that kids can't learn anything on their own? Well, he apparently couldn't do it when he was that age, so he (as usual) assumes that everyone else must be that way... -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15) NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070037490001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1183611421.720994.141500@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 2:41 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <YYQii.17767$p7....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-0407071031060001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > > In article <bsjm83tr7a70d5he8r35suvq5grq2po...@4ax.com>, John Baker >> > > > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: >> > >> > > >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:14:33 -0700, Martin >> > > >> <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> >> > > >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >On Jul 4, 9:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> >> I was told by advisers to never have arguments with professors >> > > >> >> since it could have an effect upon the final grades. >> > >> > > >> >Once again, you prove that you never got a proper education. >> > > >> >Qualified professors WELCOME arguments, especially during class. >> > > >> >It >> > > >> >is MUCH more interesting than a dry lecture. >> > >> > > >> And often allows them to make a point much more effectively. >> > >> > > >> >Martin >> > >> > > > Not always--Let' say that the professor is an athiest that is like > some of >> > > > the members of this newsgroup in that he has some sort of deep > hatred for >> > > > Christians. Such a professor may enjoy having an argument with that >> > > > Christian in class in order to better make his points. However, if > written >> > > > reports are required, it's very likely that the professor would > give that >> > > > Christian a lower grade than he deserved on the written reports. >> > > > Jason >> > >> > > If his report comes anywhere close to the approach you've taken here > I'm not >> > > sure that he could deserve a lower grade than what the professor > might give >> > > him. >> > >> > I understand your point. The professor (in my opinion) would probably >> > feel >> > justified in giving a lower grade for that reason. That is the main >> > reason >> > that I never told professors that I was a Christian. In one case, the >> > professor found out that I was a Christian. >> >> I would give extra credit to a Christian who actually got a clue in a >> class of mine. I would feel as though we had really accomplished >> something. >> >> Martin > > Martin, > I doubt that you would humiliate any of your students--at least I hope > not. Most professors are decent people. I only had one nut case > professors. > Jason So you are making wild ass accusations based on one instance??? Sound thinking there, Jason :-). Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070048140001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <L90ji.8198$Rw1.7907@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <FKUii.8587$3a.5834@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-0407071141550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >>> In article <YYQii.17767$p7.432@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> >>> <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >>>> news:Jason-0407071031060001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >>>>> In article <bsjm83tr7a70d5he8r35suvq5grq2po7p4@4ax.com>, John Baker >> >>>>> <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:14:33 -0700, Martin >> >>>>>> <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 9:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >>>>>>>> I was told by advisers to never have arguments with professors >> >>>>>>>> since it could have an effect upon the final grades. >> >>>>>>> Once again, you prove that you never got a proper education. >> >>>>>>> Qualified professors WELCOME arguments, especially during class. >> >>>>>>> It >> >>>>>>> is MUCH more interesting than a dry lecture. >> >>>>>> And often allows them to make a point much more effectively. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Martin >> >>>>> Not always--Let' say that the professor is an athiest that is like >> >>>>> some >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> the members of this newsgroup in that he has some sort of deep >> >>>>> hatred >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> Christians. Such a professor may enjoy having an argument with that >> >>>>> Christian in class in order to better make his points. However, if >> >>>>> written >> >>>>> reports are required, it's very likely that the professor would >> >>>>> give >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> Christian a lower grade than he deserved on the written reports. >> >>>>> Jason >> >>>> If his report comes anywhere close to the approach you've taken here >> >>>> I'm >> >>>> not >> >>>> sure that he could deserve a lower grade than what the professor >> >>>> might >> >>>> give >> >>>> him. >> >>> I understand your point. The professor (in my opinion) would probably >> >>> feel >> >>> justified in giving a lower grade for that reason. That is the main >> >>> reason >> >>> that I never told professors that I was a Christian. In one case, the >> >>> professor found out that I was a Christian. >> >>> Jason >> >> Jason, millions and millions of Christians go to college and obtain > degrees. >> >> Most of the students in colleges are Christians! How can you justify > making >> >> such a stupid statement. Don't answer it Jason, it was only a >> >> rhetorical >> >> question. >> > >> > It's not a problem related to most professors but some professors are >> > nut >> > cases. One radio preacher told this story: The nut case professor asked >> > all Christians in his class to raise their hands. He told the rest of >> > the >> > students to look at all of the students that had their hands raised. >> > The >> > professor stated: "These students love their little black books more >> > than >> > they love intellectual knowledge." >> > >> > Do you think that professsor would grade my written reports the same >> > way >> > that he would grade the written reports of students that were atheists? >> > >> > Jason >> > >> > >> He'd better, unless he wants to be censured by the academic authorities >> at the school. Grades should not be religion-based, just based on the >> content of the reports. > > That's the way it is suppose to work. I doubt that many atheist professors > even realize that they judge the written reports of Christian students > more harshly than they grade the papers of atheist students. > jason I doubt that they do either, especially since you have presented nothing that says they do. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070035030001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1183614288.256108.75320@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 8:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <FKUii.8587$3a.5...@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >news:Jason-0407071141550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > > In article <YYQii.17767$p7....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > > > <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> "Jason" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > > >>news:Jason-0407071031060001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > > >> > In article <bsjm83tr7a70d5he8r35suvq5grq2po...@4ax.com>, John >> > > >> > Baker >> > > >> > <n...@bizniz.net> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:14:33 -0700, Martin > <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> >> > > >> >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> >> >On Jul 4, 9:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > > >> >> >> I was told by advisers to never have arguments with >> > > >> >> >> professors >> > > >> >> >> since it could have an effect upon the final grades. >> > >> > > >> >> >Once again, you prove that you never got a proper education. >> > > >> >> >Qualified professors WELCOME arguments, especially during > class. It >> > > >> >> >is MUCH more interesting than a dry lecture. >> > >> > > >> >> And often allows them to make a point much more effectively. >> > >> > > >> >> >Martin >> > >> > > >> > Not always--Let' say that the professor is an athiest that is > like some >> > > >> > of >> > > >> > the members of this newsgroup in that he has some sort of deep >> > > >> > hatred >> > > >> > for >> > > >> > Christians. Such a professor may enjoy having an argument with >> > > >> > that >> > > >> > Christian in class in order to better make his points. However, >> > > >> > if >> > > >> > written >> > > >> > reports are required, it's very likely that the professor would >> > > >> > give >> > > >> > that >> > > >> > Christian a lower grade than he deserved on the written reports. >> > > >> > Jason >> > >> > > >> If his report comes anywhere close to the approach you've taken > here I'm >> > > >> not >> > > >> sure that he could deserve a lower grade than what the professor >> > > >> might >> > > >> give >> > > >> him. >> > >> > > > I understand your point. The professor (in my opinion) would > probably feel >> > > > justified in giving a lower grade for that reason. That is the > main reason >> > > > that I never told professors that I was a Christian. In one case, >> > > > the >> > > > professor found out that I was a Christian. >> > > > Jason >> > >> > > Jason, millions and millions of Christians go to college and obtain > degrees. >> > > Most of the students in colleges are Christians! How can you justify > making >> > > such a stupid statement. Don't answer it Jason, it was only a >> > > rhetorical >> > > question. >> > >> > It's not a problem related to most professors but some professors are >> > nut >> > cases. One radio preacher told this story: The nut case professor asked >> > all Christians in his class to raise their hands. He told the rest of >> > the >> > students to look at all of the students that had their hands raised. >> > The >> > professor stated: "These students love their little black books more >> > than >> > they love intellectual knowledge." >> >> You told us that a friend at your college told you that about one of >> the professors teaching there! Now you're telling it as a radio >> preacher! >> >> Martin > > That was another story. There are lots of atheist professors that hate > Christians so there are lots of stories. And lots of Christians who hate atheists, so what's the big deal? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070042580001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <NKudnWdnefNwzBHbnZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >> > It's not a problem related to most professors but some professors are >> > nut >> > cases. One radio preacher told this story: The nut case professor asked >> > all Christians in his class to raise their hands. He told the rest of >> > the >> > students to look at all of the students that had their hands raised. >> > The >> > professor stated: "These students love their little black books more >> > than >> > they love intellectual knowledge." >> > >> > Do you think that professsor would grade my written reports the same >> > way >> > that he would grade the written reports of students that were atheists? >> >> You ask a silly question about a fictional professor the >> radio preacher made up to make his flock feel under attack. > > I disagree. I have had to deal with one nut case professor that seemed to > hate Christians. There are probably other nut case professors in other > colleges that also try to humiliate Christians. If you behaved in class as you do here I can't say that I blame the professor. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070032380001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <382dnajAcZBI0RHbnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > >> > It's not a problem related to most professors but some >> > professors are nut cases. One radio preacher told this story: >> >> You dishonestly neglect the fact that the radio preacher made up >> the story and is actually the nut case. >> >> Are you ready to concede that evolution is a fact? > > The person that wrote the article that appeared in the Nov/2004 issue of > National Geographic stated (on page 8) that evolution was a theory. I > agree with that author. > Jason Evolution is both a theory and a fact. You can ignore this answer all you wish but it won't change the facts. You never went here, did you: http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070044230001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <B40ji.8195$Rw1.1449@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <pan.2007.07.04.19.50.02@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> > <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:48:40 +0930, Michael Gray wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:05:48 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> - Refer: <pan.2007.07.03.20.05.44@exit.com> >> >>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:39:11 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> In article <pan.2007.07.03.17.04.58@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >>>>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>>>> The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of time. >> >>>>>> Flunked, did you? >> >>>>> I received an A grade. >> >>>> Suuure you did. >> >>> What would YOU do if you had the misfortune to be assigned to educate >> >>> Jason? >> >>> If it were me, I'd make damn sure that I did not allow him to repeat >> >>> a >> >>> year in my class! >> >> Yeah, but you can do that without giving him an A. A C- or D+ would >> >> do >> >> fine, most places. >> >> >> >> Me, I would just flunk him. Next time, the same. And I would make >> >> sure >> >> my colleagues were aware of the situation. >> > >> > Now you understand why advisers tell students to not have arguments >> > with >> > teachers or professors. I kept my opinions to myself when I was a >> > student. >> > The only exception was when I had an argument with a professor in his >> > office. That professor was in charge of a evolution vs. creation >> > seminar. >> > Grades were not involved related to the seminar. That same professor >> > later >> > had a debate with Dr. Gish. I enjoyed watching Dr. Gish win that >> > debate. >> > That professor became so upset that he made a fool of himself in front >> > of >> > over 200 people. He was shouting like a little kid. >> > Jason >> > >> > >> And you learned from him, didn't you Jason. Is that what you are >> practicing here? You seem to be very effective at making people lose >> their tempers with you. > > It's easy. Of course it is, just be yourself. Did you ever consider that your professor in college hated you as a person and not as a Christian? Based on your performance in this NG I would have to say that is the most logical reason. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070025170001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <pan.2007.07.05.04.01.13@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar > <frank@exit.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:29:34 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> > In article <pan.2007.07.04.19.50.02@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> > <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:48:40 +0930, Michael Gray wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:05:48 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > - Refer: <pan.2007.07.03.20.05.44@exit.com> >> >> >>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:39:11 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <pan.2007.07.03.17.04.58@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >> >>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >>>> > The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of time. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Flunked, did you? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I received an A grade. >> >> >> >> >> >>Suuure you did. >> >> > >> >> > What would YOU do if you had the misfortune to be assigned to >> >> > educate >> >> > Jason? >> >> > If it were me, I'd make damn sure that I did not allow him to repeat >> >> > a year in my class! >> >> >> >> Yeah, but you can do that without giving him an A. A C- or D+ would >> >> do >> >> fine, most places. >> >> >> >> Me, I would just flunk him. Next time, the same. And I would make >> >> sure my colleagues were aware of the situation. >> > >> > Now you understand why advisers tell students to not have arguments >> > with >> > teachers or professors. I kept my opinions to myself when I was a >> > student. >> >> Sure. And I suppose you lied in class, as well. Right? >> >> You're a hypocrite, too, but I suppose that's no surprise. >> >> I would flunk you for your performance, not your opinions. >> >> >The only exception was when I had an argument with a professor >> > in his office. That professor was in charge of a evolution vs. creation >> > seminar. Grades were not involved related to the seminar. That same >> > professor later had a debate with Dr. Gish. I enjoyed watching Dr. Gish >> > win that debate. >> >> Gish? "Win?" Gish has never fairly "won" a debate in his life. Except >> perhaps in the minds of idiots such as yourself. >> >> > That professor became so upset that he made a fool of >> > himself in front of over 200 people. He was shouting like a little kid. >> >> Better, perhaps, than making a fool of yourself in front of uncounted >> thousands, as _you_ are doing. > > The reality is that about 88% of Americans agree with me and about 12% of > Americans agree with you. So what? The performance of the American public in science is abysmal. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070053290001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <w70ji.8196$Rw1.7759@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Ralph wrote: >> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> > news:Jason-0407071329350001@66-52-22-86.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> In article <pan.2007.07.04.19.50.02@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:48:40 +0930, Michael Gray wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:05:48 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> - Refer: <pan.2007.07.03.20.05.44@exit.com> >> >>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:39:11 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> In article <pan.2007.07.03.17.04.58@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >>>>>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>>>>> The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of time. >> >>>>>>> Flunked, did you? >> >>>>>> I received an A grade. >> >>>>> Suuure you did. >> >>>> What would YOU do if you had the misfortune to be assigned to >> >>>> educate >> >>>> Jason? >> >>>> If it were me, I'd make damn sure that I did not allow him to repeat >> >>>> a >> >>>> year in my class! >> >>> Yeah, but you can do that without giving him an A. A C- or D+ would >> >>> do >> >>> fine, most places. >> >>> >> >>> Me, I would just flunk him. Next time, the same. And I would make >> >>> sure >> >>> my colleagues were aware of the situation. >> >> Now you understand why advisers tell students to not have arguments >> >> with >> >> teachers or professors. I kept my opinions to myself when I was a >> >> student. >> >> The only exception was when I had an argument with a professor in his >> >> office. That professor was in charge of a evolution vs. creation >> >> seminar. >> >> Grades were not involved related to the seminar. That same professor >> >> later >> >> had a debate with Dr. Gish. I enjoyed watching Dr. Gish win that >> >> debate. >> >> That professor became so upset that he made a fool of himself in front >> >> of >> >> over 200 people. He was shouting like a little kid. >> >> Jason >> > >> > Gish is just like you, Jason, arrogant and ignorant. It is easy to >> > shout at >> > fools like both of you. >> > >> > >> But not a good thing, because then they win. They then argue that they >> have reduced the expert to a distraught nincompoop who is frustrated >> that he can't respond to a reasonable argument. > > You are correct--that is how Dr. Gish won many debates. When the science > professor that was debating Dr. Gish stated shouting and acting like a > little child--even his students that came to support him stopped clapping > for him when he made an excellent point. You don't have enough intellect to know if it was an 'excellent' point. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070057030001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <%a0ji.8199$Rw1.3957@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <SIUii.8586$3a.698@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-0407071329350001@66-52-22-86.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >>> In article <pan.2007.07.04.19.50.02@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:48:40 +0930, Michael Gray wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:05:48 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> - Refer: <pan.2007.07.03.20.05.44@exit.com> >> >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:39:11 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> In article <pan.2007.07.03.17.04.58@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >>>>>>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of time. >> >>>>>>>> Flunked, did you? >> >>>>>>> I received an A grade. >> >>>>>> Suuure you did. >> >>>>> What would YOU do if you had the misfortune to be assigned to >> >>>>> educate >> >>>>> Jason? >> >>>>> If it were me, I'd make damn sure that I did not allow him to >> >>>>> repeat a >> >>>>> year in my class! >> >>>> Yeah, but you can do that without giving him an A. A C- or D+ would >> >>>> do >> >>>> fine, most places. >> >>>> >> >>>> Me, I would just flunk him. Next time, the same. And I would make >> >>>> sure >> >>>> my colleagues were aware of the situation. >> >>> Now you understand why advisers tell students to not have arguments >> >>> with >> >>> teachers or professors. I kept my opinions to myself when I was a >> >>> student. >> >>> The only exception was when I had an argument with a professor in his >> >>> office. That professor was in charge of a evolution vs. creation >> >>> seminar. >> >>> Grades were not involved related to the seminar. That same professor >> >>> later >> >>> had a debate with Dr. Gish. I enjoyed watching Dr. Gish win that >> >>> debate. >> >>> That professor became so upset that he made a fool of himself in >> >>> front of >> >>> over 200 people. He was shouting like a little kid. >> >>> Jason >> >> Gish is just like you, Jason, arrogant and ignorant. It is easy to > shout at >> >> fools like both of you. >> > >> > However, in a public debate--really great debaters learn to not lose >> > their >> > tempers. I believe that Dr. Gish tried to get the professors to lose >> > their >> > tempers and make fools of themselves. I exchanged posts with someone >> > that >> > told me he attended one of Dr. Gish's debates. The professor in that >> > debate had attended one of Dr. Gish's other debates and took lots of >> > notes. He had prepared remarks for every point that Dr. Gish made and >> > never lost his temper. The poster told me that Dr. Gish lost that >> > debate. >> > Jason >> > >> > >> Confirming my point. That's why one should never debate a creationist >> without having prepared extensively in advance. Is this what you are >> practicing for Jason? > > No---I would only do that if I had a degree in Biology or a related field. > I debated the same professor that Dr. Gish debated. We had the debate in > his office about a week before his debate with Dr. Gish. The professor > easily won the debate that he had with me. I can understand that, which is why you can't understand any of us. Quote
Guest James Burns Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <omSii.18033$Qz4.9004@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >>news:Jason-0307072151530001@66-52-22-113.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >>>Martin, >>>Is evolution a theory? Yes or No >> >>Of course evolution is a theory. > > Thanks--if anyone else claims that evolution is a FACT, please > let them know that "Of course evolution is a theory. Is Washington a state or a city? Choose one or the other. That's a dishonest question, of course. "Washington" sometimes refers to a state and sometimes to a city. (And sometimes to a historic figure, and so on.) It's dishonest in the same way that your question is dishonest. (ONE MORE TIME) There are the facts of evolution -- what has been actually observed -- and there is the theory of evolution -- the best current explanation for those observed facts. They are obviously closely related, but they are not the same thing, just as Washington the state and Washington the city refer to parts of the United States, but not the same parts. Are you Jason Gastrich? Jim Burns Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070025530001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <382dnavAcZDK0BHbnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@sti.net>, "David V." > <spam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > >> > However, in a public debate--really great debaters learn to >> > not lose their tempers. >> >> What you need to understand that arguing with fools like gish, >> and you, is not easy. You don't pay attention. >> >> > I believe..... >> >> Yes, we know you believe. Knowledge is much better than belief. >> >> By the way.... gish has lost every debate he's ever participated in. > > That's funny. No, it's the truth. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070013110001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1183611711.739190.213530@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 2:53 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > Do you believe or not believe the Law of Biogenesis? >> >> There is no such law on the books today: all we can say is that life >> does NOT spontaneously generate today. Nor does your god ever create >> life. Nor has your god ever created life. Life generated, presumably >> over millions of years, as a result of chemical reactions that occured >> approximately four billion years ago. >> >> Martin > > What books are you referring to? If life does not spontaneously generate > today, why would you believe that it spontaneously generated millions of > years ago? Perhaps you have faith that it happend. > > I suggest that you visit Wikipedia to find out about the Law of > Biogenesis. > > Jason There is no "Law of Biogenesis" in the world of science. Only in the fairyland of creationism do you find such trash. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0507070100190001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <LImdncfn-ookBxHbnZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >> > How many times do I have to tell you about the fossil and bone evidence >> > that is mentioned in two different books? >> >> Except that you haven't told us anything about it. What is >> it, and how does it support creation better than evolution? > > Upon your request, I'll google fossil evidence and find an article and > post it. Can't you say it in your own words? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 <snip for brevity> >> > >> > Yes, evidence supports creation science--fossil evidence. >> > >> > >> You're a liar and you know you are a liar: you still haven't >> > >> produced >> > >> a single fossil of your god. All the fossil evidence is evidence of >> > >> evolution: the fossil evidence clearly shows that animals in the >> > >> past >> > >> were different from the animals we see today. Thus, the animals >> > >> changed over time. It's that simple, Jason. >> > >> > >> > As discussed above--not all evidence supports evolution. >> > >> > >> This is your assertion. Show us evidence which doesn't support >> > >> evolution. Better yet, show us evidence that supports creationism. >> > >> You haven't done either. >> > >> > > I explained my point above related to the steps. >> > >> > No Jason, the question was what evidence supports creationism. You do >> > have >> > evidence to support that religion, don't you? >> >> As usual, he refuses to answer any of our questions. >> >> Martin > > How many times do I have to tell you about the fossil and bone evidence > that is mentioned in two different books? How many times do we have to tell you there is no evidence for creation in the fossil record. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407072347270001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1183612982.043046.89330@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Martin > Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 3:09 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <f6gpv4$6p...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> > >> > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> > > Jason wrote: >> > > > In article <1183429476.650037.52...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> > > > Martin >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >> According to the 2005 American Community Survey >> > > >> (See >> > >> > http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-q...) >> > > >> 16.6% of the American population is over sixty. By your own >> > > >> admission, these people never learned evolution is high school. >> > > >> The >> > > >> number of people who know the truth can only go up as people your >> > > >> age >> > > >> and older pass on. >> > >> > > >> Martin >> > >> > > Key phrase here is "The number of people who know the truth can only >> > > go >> > > up as people your age and older pass on." >> > >> > > > As long as the evolutionists are able to prevent the teaching of ID >> > > > in >> > > > public high schools, you are correct. >> > >> > > So Jason finally admits that evolution is the truth. >> > >> > > However, if children in high school >> > > > were allowed to learn about Intelligent Design, the statistics >> > > > would run >> > > > in our favor. >> > >> > > Now he admits that if ID was taught, then the stats would run in his >> > > favor and NOT in the direction of "The number of people who know the >> > > truth can only go up." >> > >> > > > The evolutionists don't want a competing theory to be taught since >> > > > they >> > > > know the children would realize that ID makes more sense. >> > >> > > Yes, children are highly suggestible and tend to "realize" the wrong >> > > thing when taught lies. >> > >> > > If evolutionists >> > > > honestly believed the children would see it as a lie--they would > not even >> > > > care whether or not ID was taught in the public schools. >> > >> > > Yes, they realize sometimes when a lie is presented as being the >> > > truth, >> > > children start to believe it. That's why they won't teach it as > being true. >> > >> > > Glad to see you come to your senses, Jason. >> > >> > Have you done any research on brainwashing? If so, you would understand >> > the real reason why evolutionists will rush to court to prevent any >> > school >> > system from teaching intelligent design. >> > >> > The evolutionists know that as long as public school systems NEVER >> > teach >> > intelligent design--that within 50 years---the vast majority of the >> > people >> > in America will be advocates of evolution. >> > >> > One young dictator was having lots of trouble with the adults rebelling >> > against him. He made a speech and said something like this: "I am not >> > concerned with the people that don't agree with my policies--the reason >> > is >> > because I have control over your children." >> > >> > The evolutionists have control over the children and will do whatever >> > is >> > necessary to maintain control over the children. That explains the real >> > reason why they rush to court whenever any school system decides to >> > teach >> > intelligent design. They don't care about people like me. >> >> That's where you are wrong, Jason. I do care about you. I pity you >> so much. I can't imagine what it would be like to be so ignorant. >> >> Martin > > Believe it or not, more people in America agree with me than agree with > you. About 88% of Americans agree with me and about 12% of Americans agree > with you. Agreement with the American public in science is nothing to write home about. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407072343440001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1183602162.499556.88450@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "Bob > T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 4, 12:09 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <f6gpv4$6p...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> > >> > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> > > Jason wrote: >> > > > In article <1183429476.650037.52...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> > > > Martin >> > > > Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >> According to the 2005 American Community Survey >> > > >> (See >> > >> > http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-q...) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> 16.6% of the American population is over sixty. By your own >> > > >> admission, these people never learned evolution is high school. >> > > >> The >> > > >> number of people who know the truth can only go up as people your >> > > >> age >> > > >> and older pass on. >> > >> > > >> Martin >> > >> > > Key phrase here is "The number of people who know the truth can only >> > > go >> > > up as people your age and older pass on." >> > >> > > > As long as the evolutionists are able to prevent the teaching of ID >> > > > in >> > > > public high schools, you are correct. >> > >> > > So Jason finally admits that evolution is the truth. >> > >> > > However, if children in high school >> > > > were allowed to learn about Intelligent Design, the statistics >> > > > would run >> > > > in our favor. >> > >> > > Now he admits that if ID was taught, then the stats would run in his >> > > favor and NOT in the direction of "The number of people who know the >> > > truth can only go up." >> > >> > > > The evolutionists don't want a competing theory to be taught since >> > > > they >> > > > know the children would realize that ID makes more sense. >> > >> > > Yes, children are highly suggestible and tend to "realize" the wrong >> > > thing when taught lies. >> > >> > > If evolutionists >> > > > honestly believed the children would see it as a lie--they would > not even >> > > > care whether or not ID was taught in the public schools. >> > >> > > Yes, they realize sometimes when a lie is presented as being the >> > > truth, >> > > children start to believe it. That's why they won't teach it as > being true. >> > >> > > Glad to see you come to your senses, Jason. >> > >> > Have you done any research on brainwashing? If so, you would understand >> > the real reason why evolutionists will rush to court to prevent any >> > school >> > system from teaching intelligent design. >> >> Exactly right - because we don't want religious fanatics brainwashing >> our children with the lie of Creationism. >> > >> > The evolutionists know that as long as public school systems NEVER >> > teach >> > intelligent design--that within 50 years---the vast majority of the >> > people >> > in America will be advocates of evolution. >> >> Since evolution is a scientific fact (as well as a theory, don't you >> know) I see that as a good thing. It would be wrong for public >> schools to EVER teach intelligent design because it is a lie told by >> liars to food the gullible. >> > >> > One young dictator was having lots of trouble with the adults rebelling >> > against him. He made a speech and said something like this: "I am not >> > concerned with the people that don't agree with my policies--the reason >> > is >> > because I have control over your children." >> > >> > The evolutionists have control over the children and will do whatever >> > is >> > necessary to maintain control over the children. >> >> You know, Jason, I have been very nice to you in our discussions. >> That's why it pisses me off so much when you tell these stupid lies. >> Even if creationism were not a lie, it should be obvious to you that >> we believe that evolution is a scientific fact. We want children to >> be taught scientific facts, not religious beliefs. There is no place >> for Christian mythology, or any other mythology, in science class. >> >> > That explains the real >> > reason why they rush to court whenever any school system decides to >> > teach >> > intelligent design. They don't care about people like me. They don't >> > care >> > about the advocates of creation science or ID--The reason is because >> > they >> > have control of the children. >> >> As I have explained before, there are two reasons why creationism must >> not be taught in public schools: >> >> 1) Creationism is a religious belief, not scientific knowledge. >> 2) "The science of intelligent design" is a lie told by liars to fool >> the gullible. >> > >> > Do you see my points? If not, read the book "1984" >> >> Yes, I have read it. You should read it again - you obiously did not >> understand it. Hint: Big Brother did not keep control of the >> population by teaching the children to be better scientific thinkers. >> He kept control of them by teaching them lies to accept on faith. >> >> - Bob T. > > Big Brother brainwashed the children by teaching the students what he > wanted them to learn. He did not allow the students to learn two different > theories. There aren't two different scientific theories of diversity and distribution, only evolution. When do we get to teach evolution in your church? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407072325200001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <1183614321.491612.315520@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin > <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 8:53 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-Spx19cLJ1yRd@M>, d...@dandrake.com wrote: >> > > On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:18:15 UTC, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> > > > Bob, >> > > > A Jesuit astronomer named C. Scheiner lived during the same century >> > > > that >> > > > Galileo lived. He wrote a book where he attacked Galileo. Who was >> > > > the >> > > > crackpot--Galileo or Scheiner? >> > >> > > PMFBI, but >> > >> > > Neither of them was a crackpot. Scheiner was a pretty unpleasant >> > > fellow, >> > > if you ask me; others say Galileo was one (but they're wrong). (Don't >> > > take >> > > my opinions too seriously here; I'm sure you won't.) >> > >> > > At the start of their conflict was a dispute about priority in >> > > observing >> > > sunspots, in which Galileo probably had the better case -- but as we >> > > now >> > > know, neither of them was first . It turned into a life-long feud, >> > > in >> > > which Scheiner may (some people believe so) have worked to turn the >> > > Church >> > > against Galileo -- in which case he'd be a whole lot worse than a >> > > mere >> > > crackpot. >> > >> > > But a priority fight and going almost mad with rage at the adversary >> > > (as >> > > Scheiner did when he heard someone praise Galileo's Dialogue) doesn't >> > > necessarily make you a crackpot. Defending geocentrism was incorrect, >> > > and >> > > was a weak position already by 1633; but it wasn't crackpot. >> > > Defending >> > > geocentrism now: crackpot. >> > >> > > It's a matter of evidence, and how strong it is, and how well tested >> > > by >> > > time and criticism. Calling an opponent of evolution a crackpot today >> > > is >> > > an assertion that the time for that stuff is long past, given what >> > > has >> > > been learned in 148 years. A correct assertion, too. (It could also >> > > be >> > > ignorance of the evidence, of course, but anyone who claims expert >> > > knowledge of the evidence can't use that excuse.) >> >> > Thanks for your post. I respect Galileo because he was able to think >> > outside the box. He was a risk taker. >> >> As was Darwin. >> >> Martin > > These words are from the last paragraph of Darwin's book (Mentor Edition): > > "...having been originally breathed by the creator into a few forms or > into one..." You've already been told by your idols not to use that phrase. Can't you do anything right? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407071741020001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <HLUii.8588$3a.5708@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0407071323180001@66-52-22-86.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <xqSii.18083$Qz4.15279@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-0307071808070001@66-52-22-115.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <gaml83tsmduop5lfbcrprqhun5qna8odls@4ax.com>, John Baker >> >> > <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <mdmj83phkn2ick9iivtuffc3tff4s430ti@4ax.com>, John >> >> >> >Baker >> >> >> ><nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:45:20 -0000, Martin Phipps >> >> >> >> <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 3, 1:45 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> In article >> >> > <1183367570.892102.301...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Martin >> >> >> >> >> Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 2, 12:17 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > In article >> >> >> >> >> > > <rPGdnUEMCJsZ5BXbnZ2dnUVZ_h_in...@comcast.com>, >> >> >> >> >> > > John >> >> >> >Popelish >> >> >> >> >> > > <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > In article >> >> >> >> >> > > > > <DtidnbMBPbT77hXbnZ2dnUVZ_t3in...@sti.net>, >> >> > "David V." >> >> >> >> >> > > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> Question for group: Martin told me that single >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> animal >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> cells >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> evolved into animal cell colonies. If that is true, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> how >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> do you >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> explain this: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> Single-celled Transformers: Marine Phytoplankton >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> Changes >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> Form >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>> To Protect Itself >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> It's called evolution, something you refuse to >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> understand. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > or reverse evolution >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > What is your working definition of "reverse evolution"? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > an example: >> >> >> >> >> > > cell colony reverse evolving into single cells >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > This is the list that Martin posted--please notice that >> >> >> >> >> > > (as >> >> >> >> >> > > per >> >> >> >evolution) >> >> >> >> >> > > a single cell evolving into a cell colony. The article >> >> >> >> >> > > that >> >> >> >> >> > > I >> >> >> >> >> > > posted >> >> >> >> >> > > provided evidence of a cell colony reverse evolving into >> >> > single cells. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Not at all, Jason. That's like saying that a frog >> >> >> >> >> > de-evolves >> >> >> >> >> > back >> >> >> >> >> > into a fish every time it goes for a swim. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> In order for evolution to happen the way that you stated it >> >> >> >> >> happened, a >> >> >> >> >> cell colony would have to remain a cell colony before the >> >> >> >> >> next >> >> >> >> >> step >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> evolution would take place--true or false? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >False. Evolution is about diversity, not upward progress. You >> >> >> >> >learned nothing in your biology class in college. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I seriously doubt that Jason actually went to college. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Martin >> >> >> > >> >> >> >The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of time. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So you were one of those snot-nosed brats who thought he knew more >> >> >> than his professor, eh? <G> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No, I just wanted to study hard and pass. I never argued with that >> >> > professor. I was told by advisers to never have arguments with >> >> > professors >> >> > since it could have an effect upon the final grades. I did argue >> >> > with >> >> > one >> >> > professor but it was related to a seminar that did not involve >> >> > grades. >> >> > The >> >> > title of the seminar was Evolution versus Creation. That was the >> >> > same >> >> > professor that later debated Dr. Gish. >> >> > Jason >> >> >> >> That's what you did Jason. you studied hard and passed. It is too bad >> >> that >> >> you didn't learn how to think when you went to school. >> > >> > I did learn to think but I did not discuss my opinions with professors. >> >> You ignorant buffoon! How could you learn without any dialogue between >> you >> and your professors??? > > If college students spent all of the time having arguments arguing with > professors, the professors would not have time to lecture. No wonder you are so narrow minded. You never talked in the classroom. Discussion with my professors was the single best learning tool I used in college. It helps you to think clearly. Perhaps that is why you don't think rationally, Jason. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407071749340001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <FKUii.8587$3a.5834@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0407071141550001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <YYQii.17767$p7.432@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" >> > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:Jason-0407071031060001@66-52-22-6.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> >> > In article <bsjm83tr7a70d5he8r35suvq5grq2po7p4@4ax.com>, John Baker >> >> > <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:14:33 -0700, Martin >> >> >> <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 4, 9:08 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> I was told by advisers to never have arguments with professors >> >> >> >> since it could have an effect upon the final grades. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Once again, you prove that you never got a proper education. >> >> >> >Qualified professors WELCOME arguments, especially during class. >> >> >> >It >> >> >> >is MUCH more interesting than a dry lecture. >> >> >> >> >> >> And often allows them to make a point much more effectively. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Martin >> >> > >> >> > Not always--Let' say that the professor is an athiest that is like >> >> > some >> >> > of >> >> > the members of this newsgroup in that he has some sort of deep >> >> > hatred >> >> > for >> >> > Christians. Such a professor may enjoy having an argument with that >> >> > Christian in class in order to better make his points. However, if >> >> > written >> >> > reports are required, it's very likely that the professor would give >> >> > that >> >> > Christian a lower grade than he deserved on the written reports. >> >> > Jason >> >> >> >> If his report comes anywhere close to the approach you've taken here >> >> I'm >> >> not >> >> sure that he could deserve a lower grade than what the professor might >> >> give >> >> him. >> > >> > I understand your point. The professor (in my opinion) would probably >> > feel >> > justified in giving a lower grade for that reason. That is the main >> > reason >> > that I never told professors that I was a Christian. In one case, the >> > professor found out that I was a Christian. >> > Jason >> >> Jason, millions and millions of Christians go to college and obtain >> degrees. >> Most of the students in colleges are Christians! How can you justify >> making >> such a stupid statement. Don't answer it Jason, it was only a rhetorical >> question. > > It's not a problem related to most professors but some professors are nut > cases. One radio preacher told this story: The nut case professor asked > all Christians in his class to raise their hands. He told the rest of the > students to look at all of the students that had their hands raised. The > professor stated: "These students love their little black books more than > they love intellectual knowledge." > > Do you think that professsor would grade my written reports the same way > that he would grade the written reports of students that were atheists? > > Jason That is a bullshit story, Jason, straight out of Jack Chick comic book. Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407071800240001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <SIUii.8586$3a.698@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Ralph" > <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-0407071329350001@66-52-22-86.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... >> > In article <pan.2007.07.04.19.50.02@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> > <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:48:40 +0930, Michael Gray wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:05:48 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > - Refer: <pan.2007.07.03.20.05.44@exit.com> >> >> >>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:39:11 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <pan.2007.07.03.17.04.58@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >> >>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >>>> > The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of time. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Flunked, did you? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I received an A grade. >> >> >> >> >> >>Suuure you did. >> >> > >> >> > What would YOU do if you had the misfortune to be assigned to >> >> > educate >> >> > Jason? >> >> > If it were me, I'd make damn sure that I did not allow him to repeat >> >> > a >> >> > year in my class! >> >> >> >> Yeah, but you can do that without giving him an A. A C- or D+ would >> >> do >> >> fine, most places. >> >> >> >> Me, I would just flunk him. Next time, the same. And I would make >> >> sure >> >> my colleagues were aware of the situation. >> > >> > Now you understand why advisers tell students to not have arguments >> > with >> > teachers or professors. I kept my opinions to myself when I was a >> > student. >> > The only exception was when I had an argument with a professor in his >> > office. That professor was in charge of a evolution vs. creation >> > seminar. >> > Grades were not involved related to the seminar. That same professor >> > later >> > had a debate with Dr. Gish. I enjoyed watching Dr. Gish win that >> > debate. >> > That professor became so upset that he made a fool of himself in front >> > of >> > over 200 people. He was shouting like a little kid. >> > Jason >> >> Gish is just like you, Jason, arrogant and ignorant. It is easy to shout >> at >> fools like both of you. > > However, in a public debate--really great debaters learn to not lose their > tempers. I believe that Dr. Gish tried to get the professors to lose their > tempers and make fools of themselves. I exchanged posts with someone that > told me he attended one of Dr. Gish's debates. The professor in that > debate had attended one of Dr. Gish's other debates and took lots of > notes. He had prepared remarks for every point that Dr. Gish made and > never lost his temper. The poster told me that Dr. Gish lost that debate. > Jason Are you aware that science isn't done by debate? Quote
Guest Ralph Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-0407071753440001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-Spx19cLJ1yRd@M>, dd@dandrake.com wrote: > >> On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:18:15 UTC, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > >> > Bob, >> > A Jesuit astronomer named C. Scheiner lived during the same century >> > that >> > Galileo lived. He wrote a book where he attacked Galileo. Who was the >> > crackpot--Galileo or Scheiner? >> >> PMFBI, but >> >> Neither of them was a crackpot. Scheiner was a pretty unpleasant fellow, >> if you ask me; others say Galileo was one (but they're wrong). (Don't >> take >> my opinions too seriously here; I'm sure you won't.) >> >> At the start of their conflict was a dispute about priority in observing >> sunspots, in which Galileo probably had the better case -- but as we now >> know, neither of them was first . It turned into a life-long feud, in >> which Scheiner may (some people believe so) have worked to turn the >> Church >> against Galileo -- in which case he'd be a whole lot worse than a mere >> crackpot. >> >> But a priority fight and going almost mad with rage at the adversary (as >> Scheiner did when he heard someone praise Galileo's Dialogue) doesn't >> necessarily make you a crackpot. Defending geocentrism was incorrect, and >> was a weak position already by 1633; but it wasn't crackpot. Defending >> geocentrism now: crackpot. >> >> It's a matter of evidence, and how strong it is, and how well tested by >> time and criticism. Calling an opponent of evolution a crackpot today is >> an assertion that the time for that stuff is long past, given what has >> been learned in 148 years. A correct assertion, too. (It could also be >> ignorance of the evidence, of course, but anyone who claims expert >> knowledge of the evidence can't use that excuse.) > > Don, > Thanks for your post. I respect Galileo because he was able to think > outside the box. He was a risk taker. > Jason Yeah, too bad you can't get out of the box occasionally. Quote
Guest John Popelish Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <LImdncfn-ookBxHbnZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast.com>, John Popelish > <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >>> How many times do I have to tell you about the fossil and bone evidence >>> that is mentioned in two different books? >> Except that you haven't told us anything about it. What is >> it, and how does it support creation better than evolution? > > Upon your request, I'll google fossil evidence and find an article and post it. Sorry, I'm not going to study articles for you and do your side of the debate as well as mine. You read the article and present a piece of evidence it mentions, and give us your explanation for how that evidence supports creation better than evolution. I am not discussing creation versus evolution with a list of authors of your choice, I am discussing (and have taken quite a lot of time to compose arguments for your consideration). If you want me to continue discussing with you, you have to hold up your end. Quote
Guest Frank Mayhar Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:25:17 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <pan.2007.07.05.04.01.13@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar > <frank@exit.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:29:34 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> > In article <pan.2007.07.04.19.50.02@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> > <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:48:40 +0930, Michael Gray wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:05:48 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > - Refer: <pan.2007.07.03.20.05.44@exit.com> >> >> >>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:39:11 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <pan.2007.07.03.17.04.58@exit.com>, Frank Mayhar >> >> >>> <frank@exit.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:39 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >>>> > The evolution section of the biology class was a waste of >> >> >>>> > time. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Flunked, did you? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I received an A grade. >> >> >> >> >> >>Suuure you did. >> >> > >> >> > What would YOU do if you had the misfortune to be assigned to >> >> > educate Jason? >> >> > If it were me, I'd make damn sure that I did not allow him to >> >> > repeat a year in my class! >> >> >> >> Yeah, but you can do that without giving him an A. A C- or D+ would >> >> do fine, most places. >> >> >> >> Me, I would just flunk him. Next time, the same. And I would make >> >> sure my colleagues were aware of the situation. >> > >> > Now you understand why advisers tell students to not have arguments >> > with teachers or professors. I kept my opinions to myself when I was >> > a student. >> >> Sure. And I suppose you lied in class, as well. Right? >> >> You're a hypocrite, too, but I suppose that's no surprise. >> >> I would flunk you for your performance, not your opinions. >> >> >The only exception was when I had an argument with a professor >> > in his office. That professor was in charge of a evolution vs. >> > creation seminar. Grades were not involved related to the seminar. >> > That same professor later had a debate with Dr. Gish. I enjoyed >> > watching Dr. Gish win that debate. >> >> Gish? "Win?" Gish has never fairly "won" a debate in his life. >> Except perhaps in the minds of idiots such as yourself. >> >> > That professor became so upset that he made a fool of himself in >> > front of over 200 people. He was shouting like a little kid. >> >> Better, perhaps, than making a fool of yourself in front of uncounted >> thousands, as _you_ are doing. > > The reality is that about 88% of Americans agree with me and about 12% > of Americans agree with you. Hey, there are many times as many Buddhists as there are Christians. So you'll be converting any time now, right? Reality isn't a popularity contest, kid. Oh, and there you go _again_ with the "making a fool of yourself in front of uncounted thousands" thing. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar Quote
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