Evolution is Just Junk Science

May 15, 2007

Jason wrote:

> Several members of this newsgroup have tried to convince me that none of

> the laws are based on the Bible. You just provided proof that some laws

> are based on the Bible.

No, either all laws or based on the Bible or none are. Just because some

laws overlap with the Bible's ten commandments doesn't mean fuck all. You

might as well claim that some laws are based on Harry Potter.

You should revisit your elementary school algebra.

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

May 15, 2007

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

>>dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

>>dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>

> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a person - nor

> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

I advocate abortion. It is my firm belief that people who are deliberately

stupid, false morals hypocrite assholes, murderers, fanatics and fascists in

general should not reproduce. Therefore, I would applaud abortion for anyone

who supports Hitler, Franco, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and

their ilk. Hell, I even support retroactive abortion in those cases.

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

May 15, 2007

On May 15, 1:06 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

>

> <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> > In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, J...@nospam.com

> > (Jason) let us all know that:

>

> > >In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> > ><kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > >> > In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> > >> > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> >> [snips]

>

> > >> >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > >> >> > dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

> > >> >> > dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>

> > >> >> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a

> person - nor

> > >> >> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

> > >> >> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

> > >> >> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>

> > >> > Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

> > >> > they advocate adoption.

>

> > >> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

> > >> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options and let

> > >> the patient decide.

>

> > >> > It's my guess that they advise most of the young

> > >> > woman to have an abortion.

>

> > >> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

> > >> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

> > >> total case load?

>

> > >> > If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

> > >> > make millions of dollars from abortions.

>

> > >> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

> > >> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out much. Their

> > >> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>

> > >> > You are correct--the bumper

> > >> > stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

> > >> > bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>

> > >> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

> > >> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the pro-lifers have

> > >> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their pet views

> > >> on others.

>

> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > >There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

> > >required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

> > >unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

> > >ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

>

> > Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

>

> Because in that state--it's the law. It's my understanding the ACLU is

> trying to get the law overturned. Of course, if women wanted to get their

> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

> have to look at pictures of their babies. Believe it or not, back in the

> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

Actually, my wife had an ultrasound after she was pregnant three

months and, although her tummy was big, the baby was only half the

size of my thumb. As most women would choose to have an abortion long

before they are three months pregnant, this is just a waste of time

for the woman in question and a gross indignity.

Martin

May 15, 2007

On 14 May 2007 14:08:37 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote:

- Refer: <1179176917.413274.51070@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

>On 14 Maj, 09:52, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>> On 13 May 2007 23:04:31 -0700, gudl...@yahoo.com wrote:

>> - Refer: <1179122671.804711.243...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

>>

>> >On 14 Maj, 07:16, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >> On May 14, 8:36 am, "Ralph" <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> > "Martin" <phippsmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> >> >news:1179049190.870630.14250@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >> > > On May 13, 5:35 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >> > >> When I was in college, I asked God to help me pass tests and

>> >> > >> exams.

>>

>> >> > > Must... resist... temptation... to... make... ad hominem.

>>

>> >> > I don't see how you resisted. I couldn't have done it :-).

>>

>> >> I was going to say "Because you knew you couldn't possibly have passed

>> >> without God's help." There. Now I must try to forgive myself for

>> >> having bad thoughts.

>>

>> >> Martin

>>

>> >If I understand it correctly, you will have to drink some blood first.

>>

>> And be a cannibal.

>>

>

>Pass the salt please.

A Lot?

Sod off!

--

May 15, 2007

On 15 Maj, 02:50, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>

> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > [snips]

>

> > On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > > dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

> > > dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>

> > Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a person - nor

> > even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

> > actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

> > about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>

> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

> they advocate adoption.

Neither, and you have been told that before.

>It's my guess that they advise most of the young

> woman to have an abortion.

The fact is that they don't, but don't let reality bother you.

>If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

> make millions of dollars from abortions. You are correct--the bumper

> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

And every pregnant woman has the right to choose abortion or to give

birth. Nobody else has the right to make that decision for her.

May 15, 2007

On 15 Maj, 03:20, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>

> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > > In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> [snips]

>

> > >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > >> > dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

> > >> > dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>

> > >> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a person - nor

> > >> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

> > >> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

> > >> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>

> > > Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

> > > they advocate adoption.

>

> > Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

> > to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options and let

> > the patient decide.

>

> > > It's my guess that they advise most of the young

> > > woman to have an abortion.

>

> > Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

> > this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

> > total case load?

>

> > > If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

> > > make millions of dollars from abortions.

>

> > Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

> > medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out much. Their

> > clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>

> > > You are correct--the bumper

> > > stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

> > > bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>

> > And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

> > disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the pro-lifers have

> > never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their pet views

> > on others.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. I liked that law and wish it

> was a law in every state. I seem to recall reading that Planned Parenthood

> and ACLU are fighting that law in court. Do you approve of that law?

> Jason- Skjul tekst i anf

May 15, 2007

On 15 Maj, 07:06, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

>

> <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> > In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, J...@nospam.com

> > (Jason) let us all know that:

>

> > >In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> > ><kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > >> > In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> > >> > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > >> >> [snips]

>

> > >> >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>

> > >> >> > dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

> > >> >> > dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>

> > >> >> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a

> person - nor

> > >> >> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

> > >> >> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

> > >> >> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>

> > >> > Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

> > >> > they advocate adoption.

>

> > >> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

> > >> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options and let

> > >> the patient decide.

>

> > >> > It's my guess that they advise most of the young

> > >> > woman to have an abortion.

>

> > >> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

> > >> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

> > >> total case load?

>

> > >> > If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

> > >> > make millions of dollars from abortions.

>

> > >> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

> > >> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out much. Their

> > >> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>

> > >> > You are correct--the bumper

> > >> > stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

> > >> > bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>

> > >> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

> > >> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the pro-lifers have

> > >> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their pet views

> > >> on others.

>

> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > >There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

> > >required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

> > >unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

> > >ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

>

> > Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

>

> Because in that state--it's the law. It's my understanding the ACLU is

> trying to get the law overturned. Of course, if women wanted to get their

> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

> have to look at pictures of their babies. Believe it or not, back in the

> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

Are you incapable of telling the truth?

May 15, 2007

On 15 May 2007 02:58:33 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote:

- Refer: <1179223113.068187.223930@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

>On 15 Maj, 07:06, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

>>

>> <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>> > In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, J...@nospam.com

>> > (Jason) let us all know that:

>>

>> > >In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> > ><kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> > >> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>

>> > >> > In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> > >> > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> > >> >> [snips]

>>

>> > >> >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>

>> > >> >> > dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

>> > >> >> > dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>>

>> > >> >> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a

>> person - nor

>> > >> >> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

>> > >> >> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

>> > >> >> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>>

>> > >> > Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

>> > >> > they advocate adoption.

>>

>> > >> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

>> > >> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options and let

>> > >> the patient decide.

>>

>> > >> > It's my guess that they advise most of the young

>> > >> > woman to have an abortion.

>>

>> > >> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

>> > >> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

>> > >> total case load?

>>

>> > >> > If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

>> > >> > make millions of dollars from abortions.

>>

>> > >> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

>> > >> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out much. Their

>> > >> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>>

>> > >> > You are correct--the bumper

>> > >> > stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

>> > >> > bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>>

>> > >> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

>> > >> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the pro-lifers have

>> > >> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their pet views

>> > >> on others.

>>

>> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>

>> > >There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

>> > >required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

>> > >unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

>> > >ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

>>

>> > Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

>>

>> Because in that state--it's the law. It's my understanding the ACLU is

>> trying to get the law overturned. Of course, if women wanted to get their

>> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

>> have to look at pictures of their babies. Believe it or not, back in the

>> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

>> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

>

>Are you incapable of telling the truth?

Not "incapable", merely totally unwilling.

--

May 15, 2007

On 15 May 2007 02:56:40 -0700, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote:

- Refer: <1179223000.481974.290680@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

>On 15 Maj, 03:20, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>

>> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>

>> > > In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> > >> [snips]

>>

>> > >> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>

>> > >> > dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

>> > >> > dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>>

>> > >> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a person - nor

>> > >> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

>> > >> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

>> > >> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>>

>> > > Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

>> > > they advocate adoption.

>>

>> > Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

>> > to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options and let

>> > the patient decide.

>>

>> > > It's my guess that they advise most of the young

>> > > woman to have an abortion.

>>

>> > Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

>> > this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

>> > total case load?

>>

>> > > If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

>> > > make millions of dollars from abortions.

>>

>> > Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

>> > medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out much. Their

>> > clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>>

>> > > You are correct--the bumper

>> > > stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

>> > > bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>>

>> > And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

>> > disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the pro-lifers have

>> > never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their pet views

>> > on others.

>>

>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>

>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. I liked that law and wish it

>> was a law in every state. I seem to recall reading that Planned Parenthood

>> and ACLU are fighting that law in court. Do you approve of that law?

>> Jason- Skjul tekst i anf

May 15, 2007

In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:06:08 -0700, Jason@nospam.com

(Jason) let us all know that:

>In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

><ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>

>> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com

>> (Jason) let us all know that:

>> >There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

>> >required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

>> >unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

>> >ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

>>

>> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

>

>Because in that state--it's the law.

sigh Legal positivism.

Look: would you say the same thing back in the day about

blacks having to sit at the back of the bus just because it's the law

there?

> It's my understanding the ACLU is

>trying to get the law overturned. Of course, if women wanted to get their

>abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

>have to look at pictures of their babies. Believe it or not, back in the

>1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

>was just a "mass of tissue".

It is just a mass of tissue.

Don

---

aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde

Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"

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May 15, 2007

gudloos@yahoo.com wrote:

> On 15 Maj, 02:50, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>

>> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> [snips]

>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a person - nor

>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

>> they advocate adoption.

>

> Neither, and you have been told that before.

>

>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young

>> woman to have an abortion.

>

> The fact is that they don't, but don't let reality bother you.

>

> >If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

>> make millions of dollars from abortions. You are correct--the bumper

>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>

> And every pregnant woman has the right to choose abortion or to give

> birth. Nobody else has the right to make that decision for her.

>

The clergy in some Christian sects are claiming that right. Maybe for

them, abortion should be a decision made jointly by the woman and her

male clergy. Or perhaps a committee of gossips...

May 15, 2007

Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:

> Jason wrote:

>

>> I noticed cameras mounted on the ceiling above each of the tellers.

>> Perhaps those cameras are just as effective as security guards in

>> relation

>> to preventing bank robberies. Back in the 1950's, as far as I know, they

>> did not have a dozen cameras in each bank. Back in the 1950's and 1960's,

>> they did not have security devices attached to clothing or security

>> devices mounted in the doorways of large clothing stores and electronic

>> stores. They now have those security features in almost all large stores.

>

> I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this type of idiocy.

>

> Could it be that the reason "they did not have a dozen cameras in each

> bank" is because the cameras at that stage of the 50's technology would

> take up more space than the bank itself?

> And the reason that "back in the 1950's and 1960's, they did not have

> security devices attached to clothing" is because they would be a little

> heavy to wear what with weighing some 200 lbs +?

He tried to make something of the fact that often stores now have

security guards. Then when I pointed out the REVERSE trend for banks,

that somehow supports his lunacy as well.

May 15, 2007

Jason wrote:

> Because in that state--it's the law. It's my understanding the ACLU is

> trying to get the law overturned. Of course, if women wanted to get their

> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

> have to look at pictures of their babies. Believe it or not, back in the

> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

> Jason

Note the date and time of the below message. Then note that you wrote

the above in the some of the SAME newsgroups on Tues morning.

Your earlier post about "I have decided to not reply to any more posts

in this newsgroup." wouldn't have been a LIE, now would it?

Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:09:08 -0700

From: Jason@nospam.com (Jason)

Newsgroups:

alt.religion,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn

Hello,

When I opened my newsgroup reader, I noticed that there were 53 new

messages and it was my guess that most of them were responses to my recent

posts. I have decided to not reply to any more posts in this newsgroup.

May 15, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <f24i3n$eeq$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> Thanks,

>>> Here are some statistics that I found. I will let you tell me whether or

>>> not the murder rate was higher during 1950's compared to the 1990's and

>>> 2000's. I did not see any 5's or higher in the 1950's but saw lots of 8s

>>> and 9s in the 1990's and 2000's

>> No-one said the murder rates were NOT lower in the 1950's. But you also

>> haven't shown what the prison population was in the 1950's so those

>> figures don't mean diddly here. You started off talking about what the

>> prison population numbers were in 1990 so you have to use the SAME year

>> for the crime rate numbers. If you want to use crime rate numbers from

>> the 50's the provide the SAME year's prison populations.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Someone else made some good points about statistics related to prison

> populations. Various new laws; mandantory sentence laws; three strikes

> laws; illegal immigrants and various other factors effect prison

> populations. I concentrated on murder in my google search since MURDER is

> one of those crimes that has always been against the law.

> Jason

And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you

focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different

ranges of years.

May 15, 2007

On May 15, 1:14 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <f24i3n$ee...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

> >> Jason wrote:

> >>> Thanks,

> >>> Here are some statistics that I found. I will let you tell me whether or

> >>> not the murder rate was higher during 1950's compared to the 1990's and

> >>> 2000's. I did not see any 5's or higher in the 1950's but saw lots of 8s

> >>> and 9s in the 1990's and 2000's

> >> No-one said the murder rates were NOT lower in the 1950's. But you also

> >> haven't shown what the prison population was in the 1950's so those

> >> figures don't mean diddly here. You started off talking about what the

> >> prison population numbers were in 1990 so you have to use the SAME year

> >> for the crime rate numbers. If you want to use crime rate numbers from

> >> the 50's the provide the SAME year's prison populations.

>

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > Someone else made some good points about statistics related to prison

> > populations. Various new laws; mandantory sentence laws; three strikes

> > laws; illegal immigrants and various other factors effect prison

> > populations. I concentrated on murder in my google search since MURDER is

> > one of those crimes that has always been against the law.

> > Jason

>

> And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you

> focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different

> ranges of years.

Yes the alternative to theory is the truth. THE WORD OF GOD.

May 15, 2007

In alt.atheism On 15 May 2007 11:47:57 -0700, ayers_39@hotmail.com let

us all know that:

>On May 15, 1:14 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>> And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you

>> focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different

>> ranges of years.

>

>Yes the alternative to theory is the truth. THE WORD OF GOD.

Putting it in all-caps doesn't make it true.

Don

---

aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde

Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"

Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

May 15, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5582@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,

> bm1@nonespam.com wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

>>> <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com

>>>> (Jason) let us all know that:

>>>>

>>>>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [snips]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

>>>>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>>>>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a

>>> person - nor

>>>>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

>>>>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

>>>>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>>>>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

>>>>>>> they advocate adoption.

>>>>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

>>>>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options

> and let

>>>>>> the patient decide.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young

>>>>>>> woman to have an abortion.

>>>>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

>>>>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

>>>>>> total case load?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

>>>>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions.

>>>>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

>>>>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out

> much. Their

>>>>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You are correct--the bumper

>>>>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

>>>>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>>>>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

>>>>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the

> pro-lifers have

>>>>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their

> pet views

>>>>>> on others.

>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>>>>

>>>>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

>>>>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

>>>>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

>>>>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

>>>> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

>>>

>>> Because in that state--it's the law.

>> Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not.

>>

>> It's my understanding the ACLU is

>>> trying to get the law overturned.

>> Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL

>> or another organization is involved.

>>

>> Of course, if women wanted to get their

>>> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

>>> have to look at pictures of their babies.

>> Right. This is a good thing.

>>

>> Believe it or not, back in the

>>> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

>>> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

>> They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even

>> organizations can do that.

>>

>>> Jason

>>>

>

> The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of

> tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more

> likely that women would agree to have abortions.

What evidence do you have of their saying that? There is no reason to

discuss this further if you don't have any.

It's much harder to

> convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they

> have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and

> perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the

> law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds

> of their babies.

No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law

should be overturned.

They know that once those women see those pictures, they

> will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from

> abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions.

Do you have any idea of what you are saying? As noted earlier, Planned

Parenthood provides reproductive counseling and other services. They do

it without regard to income level.

Again you come out with these lies, so casually, as though they were

truth. You do not know. You do not know what evolution is and you

spread lies about it. You do not know about Planned Parenthood and you

spread lies about it. It appears that you lie about things that you

don't like. That's not honest, that's not Christian, and it does your

causes no good. Why should anyone believe you about anything, Mr.

Slanderous Liar?

May 15, 2007

In article <f2cpmv$m4u$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > Because in that state--it's the law. It's my understanding the ACLU is

> > trying to get the law overturned. Of course, if women wanted to get their

> > abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

> > have to look at pictures of their babies. Believe it or not, back in the

> > 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

> > was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

> > Jason

>

> Note the date and time of the below message. Then note that you wrote

> the above in the some of the SAME newsgroups on Tues morning.

>

> Your earlier post about "I have decided to not reply to any more posts

> in this newsgroup." wouldn't have been a LIE, now would it?

>

> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:09:08 -0700

> From: Jason@nospam.com (Jason)

> Newsgroups:

>

alt.religion,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn

> Hello,

> When I opened my newsgroup reader, I noticed that there were 53 new

> messages and it was my guess that most of them were responses to my recent

> posts. I have decided to not reply to any more posts in this newsgroup.

I posted the message mentioned above in the jehovahs wit. newsgroup. If

you re-read my above message, you should note that I used the term "this

newsgroup" (not "these newsgroups") in my message. I did not realize that

my message was crossposted in lots of newsgroups when I posted the message

in the jehovah wit. newsgroup. Thanks for pointing out that my message was

crosspossed in several different newsgroups. Have you considered that I

might be a subscriber to one (or more) of the various newsgroups mentioned

above and that is the reason you have seen my post in whaterver newsgroup

you had in mind when you made the above post.

May 15, 2007

In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5582@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,

bm1@nonespam.com wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

> > <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

> >

> >> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com

> >> (Jason) let us all know that:

> >>

> >>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> >>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> >>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> [snips]

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

> >>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

> >>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a

> > person - nor

> >>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

> >>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

> >>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

> >>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

> >>>>> they advocate adoption.

> >>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

> >>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options

and let

> >>>> the patient decide.

> >>>>

> >>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young

> >>>>> woman to have an abortion.

> >>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

> >>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

> >>>> total case load?

> >>>>

> >>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

> >>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions.

> >>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

> >>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out

much. Their

> >>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

> >>>>

> >>>>> You are correct--the bumper

> >>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

> >>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

> >>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

> >>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the

pro-lifers have

> >>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their

pet views

> >>>> on others.

> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >>>

> >>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

> >>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

> >>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

> >>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

> >> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

> >

> > Because in that state--it's the law.

>

> Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not.

>

> It's my understanding the ACLU is

> > trying to get the law overturned.

>

> Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL

> or another organization is involved.

>

> Of course, if women wanted to get their

> > abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

> > have to look at pictures of their babies.

>

> Right. This is a good thing.

>

> Believe it or not, back in the

> > 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

> > was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

>

> They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even

> organizations can do that.

>

> > Jason

> >

The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of

tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more

likely that women would agree to have abortions. It's much harder to

convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they

have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and

perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the

law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds

of their babies. They know that once those women see those pictures, they

will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from

abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. That's

why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone know

the net worth of Planned Parenthood. I heard a preacher say that it's over

1 billion dollars.

jason

May 15, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5582@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,

> bm1@nonespam.com wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

>>> <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com

>>>> (Jason) let us all know that:

>>>>

>>>>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>>>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [snips]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't

>>>>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them.

>>>>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a

>>> person - nor

>>>>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone

>>>>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know

>>>>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above.

>>>>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do

>>>>>>> they advocate adoption.

>>>>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not

>>>>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options

> and let

>>>>>> the patient decide.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young

>>>>>>> woman to have an abortion.

>>>>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do

>>>>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their

>>>>>> total case load?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They

>>>>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions.

>>>>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided

>>>>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out

> much. Their

>>>>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You are correct--the bumper

>>>>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife

>>>>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion"

>>>>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone

>>>>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the

> pro-lifers have

>>>>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their

> pet views

>>>>>> on others.

>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>>>>

>>>>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that

>>>>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her

>>>>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the

>>>>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion.

>>>> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice.

>>>

>>> Because in that state--it's the law.

>> Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not.

>>

>> It's my understanding the ACLU is

>>> trying to get the law overturned.

>> Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL

>> or another organization is involved.

>>

>> Of course, if women wanted to get their

>>> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not

>>> have to look at pictures of their babies.

>> Right. This is a good thing.

>>

>> Believe it or not, back in the

>>> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it

>>> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie.

>> They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even

>> organizations can do that.

>>

>>> Jason

>>>

>

> The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of

> tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more

> likely that women would agree to have abortions.

Do you have evidence that they did this? Or did your "preacher" tell you so?

It's much harder to

> convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they

> have a living a baby in their womb.

Thats why the reproductive fascists want these laws every place they can

get them. That goal is right up there with posting the Apostles' Creed

in our courthouses.

That is the reason the ACLU and

> perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the

> law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds

> of their babies.

The reason that they oppose it is that it infringes on a woman's right

to privacy and it brings costs into the system that are better spent on

reproductive and other health counseling services.

They know that once those women see those pictures, they

> will decide NOT to have an abortion.

That is their sincere hope. They obviously do not expect that they will

ever need an abortion or that their daughters will.

Planned Parenthood derives money from

> abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. That's

> why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone know

> the net worth of Planned Parenthood.

Their Stated Purpose: "to provide comprehensive reproductive and

complementary health care services in settings which preserve and

protect the essential privacy and rights of each individual; to advocate

public policies which guarantee these rights and ensure access to such

services; to provide educational programs which enhance understanding of

individual and societal implications of human sexuality; to promote

research and the advancement of technology in reproductive health care

and encourage understanding of their inherent bioethical, behavioral,

and social implications."

They provide services regardless of ability to pay.

Let's see now - you don't like evolutionary theory, so you lie about it.

You don't like Planned Parenthood so you lie about it. You lie so

easily that there is no reason to believe you on anything.

You even claim you didn't know you were cross-posting, and got upset

when there were responses in other NGs. Once again you lie.

I heard a preacher say that it's over

> 1 billion dollars.

Your pastor was lying. Check out

http://charityreports.give.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=626

You appear to get your information from preachers who care less about

the truth than you do. Your credibility is dropping by the nanosecond.

Why don't you find the truth out for yourself instead of being spoonfed

questionable information by people with an agenda?

You are acting like a spiritual zombie, brainlessly marching to the tune

banged out by some ignoramus with an axe to grind.

Believe what you want, agree or disagree with what you want, but at

least know the facts. Wake up, man!

May 15, 2007

On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>> > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of

>> > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more

>> > likely that women would agree to have abortions.

It is typical of the religious loonies that instead of addressing

issues, they invent non-existent motives "why" people hold the

positions they do.

>> What evidence do you have of their saying that? There is no reason to

>> discuss this further if you don't have any.

>

>I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was

>telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by

>Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out

>more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that

>term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an

>advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women

>that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after

>the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby.

>After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over

>an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost

>every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons

>that they had severe depression related to abortions.

Sermons are worthless. Preached by liars with an axe to grind.

Apart from this anonymous sermon, where does any of this say that they

lied because they "knew that it not a "mass of tissue"--even in the

1960's"?

>> > It's much harder to

>> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they

>> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and

>> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the

>> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds

>> > of their babies.

Nobody is "Convincing a pregnant woman to have an abortion", liar.

>> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law

>> should be overturned.

>

>They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures

>of their unborn babies.

What "unborn babies"? Do you mean the mass of cells that is all that

gets aborted in the first trimester?

>> They know that once those women see those pictures, they

>> > will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from

>> > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions.

No they don't, liar. They offer all sorts of reproductive services

including contraception etc.

>> Do you have any idea of what you are saying? As noted earlier, Planned

>> Parenthood provides reproductive counseling and other services. They do

>> it without regard to income level.

>

>You are correct. However, Planned Parenthood earns millions of dollars per

>year as a result of abortions. I heard one preacher say that the net worth

>of Planned Parenthood is over one billion dollars. One preacher referred

>to money earned from abortions as "blood money". I heard one preacher say

>that Planned Parenthood even earns money by selling body parts of aborted

>babies.

Sources? Or are you lying again?

Hint: a preacher saying something is not a valid source - you have to

give _his_ sources.

>> Again you come out with these lies, so casually, as though they were

>> truth. You do not know. You do not know what evolution is and you

>> spread lies about it. You do not know about Planned Parenthood and you

>> spread lies about it. It appears that you lie about things that you

>> don't like. That's not honest, that's not Christian, and it does your

>> causes no good. Why should anyone believe you about anything, Mr.

>> Slanderous Liar?

What do you expect? It's Gastric after all.

>> <snip more lies>

May 15, 2007

On May 15, 2:47 pm, ayers...@hotmail.com wrote:

> On May 15, 1:14 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

> > Jason wrote:

> > > In article <f24i3n$ee...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

> > > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

>

> > >> Jason wrote:

> > >>> Thanks,

> > >>> Here are some statistics that I found. I will let you tell me whether or

> > >>> not the murder rate was higher during 1950's compared to the 1990's and

> > >>> 2000's. I did not see any 5's or higher in the 1950's but saw lots of 8s

> > >>> and 9s in the 1990's and 2000's

> > >> No-one said the murder rates were NOT lower in the 1950's. But you also

> > >> haven't shown what the prison population was in the 1950's so those

> > >> figures don't mean diddly here. You started off talking about what the

> > >> prison population numbers were in 1990 so you have to use the SAME year

> > >> for the crime rate numbers. If you want to use crime rate numbers from

> > >> the 50's the provide the SAME year's prison populations.

>

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > > Someone else made some good points about statistics related to prison

> > > populations. Various new laws; mandantory sentence laws; three strikes

> > > laws; illegal immigrants and various other factors effect prison

> > > populations. I concentrated on murder in my google search since MURDER is

> > > one of those crimes that has always been against the law.

> > > Jason

>

> > And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you

> > focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different

> > ranges of years.

>

> Yes the alternative to theory is the truth. THE WORD OF GOD.- Hide quoted text -

>

Which god?

Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis,

Abalim[Judaic]

Abba Amona[Judaic] Abraxis[Judaic]

Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]

Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]

Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]

Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]

Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]

Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic]

Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid,

Baal[Judaic]

Baal-Karmelos[Judaic]

Bat Kol[Judaic] Beelzebub(Beelzebul Baalzebub)[Judaic]

Belial(Beliar)[Judaic]iBethel[ Syrian]

Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Cthulhu Chashmal[Judaic]

Chayyot[Judaic Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Dagon[Judaic]

Demiurge(Demiourgos Demogorgon)[Judaic]

Demons[Judaic] Devekut[Judaic] Dever[Judaic] Dumiel[Judaic]

Dybbuk[Judaic] Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu,

Ereshkigal,

El(El 'Elyon)[Judaic] Elim[Judaic]

Elohim[Judaic] Elom[Judaic Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa,

Hades,

Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Golem[Judaic] Ha-Shem[Judaic

Hermes,

Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, ] Ibbur

Elim[Judaic]

Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,

Korravai,

Kefitzat ha-Derekh[Judaic]

Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Lilith[Judaic]

Lotan[Judaic] Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan

Makon[Judaic]

Mammon[Judaic] Mastema[Judaic]

Mazikeen[Judaic] Mazzikin[Judaic]

Memra[Judaic/Aramaic] Metatron[Judaic]

Moloch[Judaic, Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys,

Nechushtan[Judaic]Nibhaz[Judaic]

Neptune, Nerthus. Obatala, Odin, Ogun, Obizoth[Judaic]

Ofanim(Ophanim Galgallim)[Judaic]

Oniel Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,

Padkaras[Judaic]

Piznai[Judaic]

Potah[Judaic]

Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea,

Ras

Tafari Ragshiel[Judaic]

Rahav[Judaic]

Reshef[Judaic](Plague)

Saturn, Set, Satan[Judaic](

Shabbat Hamalka[Judaic]

Shekhina[Judaic](Shekina Shechina)Judaism

Sophia[Judaic](Hakhma Chochma)

Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw,

Tanin'iver[Judaic](Blinddragon)

Tannin[Judaic]

Tarshishim[Judaic]

Terafim(Teraphim)[Judaic]

Tzadikiel[Judaic]

Tzakadhazy[Judaic]

Tzelanit[Judaic]

Tzeruf[Judaic]

Tzohar[Judaic]

Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,

Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.

[Judaic]

Watcher[Judaic]Yhwh[yahweh][Judaic]

Yeddeoni[Judaic]

Yekum[Judaic]Yohani bat Retiviv[Judaic]

Zadkiel[Judaic]I

Zar[Judaic

African gods:

[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']

Abassi [sky]

Abonsam [Evil]

Abora [supreme]

Abzu [Water]

Acoran [supreme]

Adaheli [sun]

Adro [sky]

Adroa [sky]

Agassou [Panther]

Agbe-Naete [Water]

Age [Animals]

Aigamuxa [Monster]

Ajalamo[unborn Children]

Aje [Wealth]

Ajok [supreme]

Akonadi [Oracle]

Akongo [supreme]

Akuj [supreme]

Ala [Earth/Fertility]

Alatangana [Creator]

Amma [Creator]

Anansi [Trickster]

Anyiewo [snake]

Aondo [Creator]

Apa [Creator]

Apedemak [War]

Arawa [Moon]

Arebati [sky]

Arom [Contracts]

Arsan Duolai [underworld]

Asase Ya [Earth]

Ashiakle [Wealth]

Asis [sun]

Astar [sky]

Ataa Naa

Nyongmo

[Creator]

Ataokoloinona [supreme]

Atete [Fertility]

Avrikiti [Fishermen]

Ayabba

[Ayaba] [Hearth]

Bacax [Cave]

Bagba [Wind]

Balubaal [Earth+]

Bandara [superior Gods]

Banga [Clear water]

Behanzin [Fish]

Beher [sea]

Bera Pennu [Vegetation]

Bo [Warriors]

Bomazi[Ancestors]

Buadza [WInd]

Buck[River]

Buku [sky]

Bumba [Creator]

Cagn [Creator]

(!Kaggen)

Cghene [Creator]

Chiuke

(Chuku) [Creator]

Chiata [supreme]

Chwezi [Hero]

Col [Rain]

Chikara [sky]

Danh

(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [snake]

Deng [sky]

Deohako [beans+]

Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]

Dongo [Outer Space]

Dugbo [Earth]

Dxui [Creator]

Emeli-hi [supreme]

Eranoranhan [Protector]

Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]

Fa [Destiny]

Famien [Fertility]

Faro [sky/Water]

Fidi Mukullu [Creator]

Garang and Abuk [First Humans]

Gbeni [Chief]

Gei (Gou) [Moon]

Gu [War/Smiths]

Gua [sky]

Gulu [supreme]

Gunab [Evil]

Guruhi [Evil]

Gurzil [bull]

Gwalu [Rain]

Hammon [setting Sun]

Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]

Heitsi-Eibib [sorcerer]

Hevioss [Thunder]

Huntin [Tree]

Huvean [Creator]

Ifa [Oracul]

Ikenga [supreme]

Imana [Creator]

Iruwa [sun]

Juok [Creator]

Kalumba [Creator]

Kalunga Supreme]

Katavi [Demonic]

Ka Tyeleo [supreme]

Khebieso [Lightening]

Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]

Kholomodumo [Monster]

Khuzwane [Creator]

Kibuka [War]

Kokola [Guardian]

Kwammang-a [supreme]

Kwoth [spirit]

Kyala [Creator]

Legba [Trickster]

Leza [Chief]

Libanza [supreme]

Lisa [Chameleon]

Lyangombe[Chief]

Macardit [Demon]

Mantis [Creator]

Massim-Biambe [Creator]

Mawu [sky]

Mawu-Lisa [supreme Couple]

Mbotumbo [supreme]

Medr [Earth]

Moomb [Creator]

Mon [?]

Mugasa

Mugu [sky]

Mujaji [Rain]

Mukasa [supreme]

Mula Djadi [Creator]

Muluku [supreme]

Mulungu

Mungu [Creator]

Mungo (Mungu) [?]

Musa (Teaching]

Musisi [supreme]

Mwari [supreme]

Nampa [Personal]

Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]

Nana Buluk [Creator]

Ndjambi [sky]

Ndriananahary [supreme]

Nduru [Jungle]

Nenaunir [storm]

Nesshoue [River]

Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]

Ngewo-wa [Creator]

Ngworekara [Demon]

Niamye [supreme]

Nkosi Yama'kosi [supreme]

Nommo [Elemental]

Nommo [spirit]

Nyama [Animal]

Nyambe [supreme]

Nyambi (Nyambe) [supreme]

Nyame

Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]

Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [supreme]

Nyamia Ama [supreme]

Nyasaye [supeme]

Nzambi (Nzambi)

Mpunguo) [supreme]

Nzame [supreme]

Obassi Osaw [supreme]

Obatala [sky]

Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]

Ogun (Ogoun) War]

Olokula [sea]

Olorun [supreme]

Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]

Orahan [supreme]

Orisa Nla [Creator]

Orishako [Agriculture]

Orunjan [Midday Sun]

Orunmila [Compassion]

Oshalla [?]

Osun [beauty and Love]

Oya [Passion and Power]

Pemba (Bemba) Mother]

Qandisa [Demon]

Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]

Rock-Sene [supreme]

Ruwa [supreme]

Sagbata [smallpox]

Sakarabru [Medicine]

Sakpata [smallpox]

Sango [Thunder]

Shango [Thunder]

So [Lightening]

Tano [River]

Tore [Forest]

Trowu[spirits]

Tsui'goab [Rain]

Twe [Lake]

Umvelinqangi [Creator]

Unkulunkulu [supreme]

Unumbotte [Creator]

Waka [Rain]

Wele [supreme]

Wulbari [supreme]

Wuni [supreme]

Xewioso [Thunder]

Yemaja [Creation]

Yo [impersonal]

Zin [Water]

Table of Asian Gods:

BUDDHIST

Abhijnaraja [Physician]

Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]

Acala [?]

Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]

Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]

Adibuddha [First]

Adidharma [Primeval]

Aizen Myo-o [Protective]

Ajaya [?]

Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai

Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]

Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]

Amida [savior]

Amitabha [A Dhyani]

Amitayus [Longevity]

Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]

Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]

Anantamukhi [Literature]

Arapacana [book and Sword]

Arcismati [bhumis]

Arhat [A Saint]

Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]

Arya-Tara [sakti]

Asokakanta [avatar Marici]

Asokottamasri [Physician]

Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]

Asura [Group of Demons]

Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]

Ayurvasita[One vasitas]

Balaparamita [Philosophy]

Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]

Bhima[Attendant]

Bhrkuti[Female]

Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]

Bhumi [spiritual Spheres]

Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]

Bi-har [Protector]

Bodhidharma [Monk]

Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [born to be Englightened]

Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]

Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]

Budha [Mercury]

Butcho [?]

Chandarosana [Mahayana]

Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]

Chakravartin [World Ruler]

Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]

Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]

Chittavista [Vashitas]

Citipati [Graveyard Demons]

Cunda [Literature]

Da-shi-zhi [bodhisattva]

Dadimunda [Temples]

Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]

Dakini [Demons]

Dala Kadavara [Demon]

Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]

Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]

Dharani [Mystical Texts]

Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]

Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]

Dharmamegha [bhumis]

Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]

Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]

Dharmavasita [Vasitas]

Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]

Dhupa [Mother]

Dhupatara [Mahayana]

Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]

Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]

Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]

Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]

Di-zang [bodhisattvas of Hell]

Dvarapala [?]

Ekajata [Terrible]

Emma-o [Judges the Dead]

Fudo [WIsdom]

Guan Yin [bodhisattva]

Hariti [Ate Children]

Hayagriva [Protection]

Heruka [Protection]

Hevajra [Protection]

Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]

Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]

Janguli [snakebite cure]

Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]

Jizo [Compassion]

Juichimen [Mercy]

Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]

Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]

Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [indian bodhisattva]

Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]

Krodhadevatas [inspire Terror]

Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]

Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]

Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]

Kurukulla [?]

Locana [?]

Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]

Maitreya [Future]

Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]

Manjusri [bodhisattva]

Mara [Evil]

Marici [sun]

Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva

Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva

Mo-Li [Protects Temples]

Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]

Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]

Pandara [?]

Paramasva [?]

Parnasavari [?]

Prajna [Femaleness]

Prajnaparamita [buddhist Text]

Ran-deng [beggar and Future Buddha]

Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]

Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]

Remanta [King of the Horse gods]

Sakyamuni [Japanese]

Samantabhadra [bodhisattvas]

Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]

Shakra [King of the Gods]

Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]

Sumbharaja [buddhist Krodhadevata]

Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]

Usnisavijaya [?]

Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]

Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]

Vajrabhairava [?]

Vajrapani [bodhisattvas]

Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]

Vajravarahi [?]

Vajrayogini [initiation]

Vajrayogini [Riches]

Vidyadharas [?]

Vidyujjvalakarali [?]

Vighnantaka [?]

Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]

Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]

Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]

We-to [Divine General]

Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]

Yama [?]

Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]

Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]

CHINESE GODS

Ao [sea]

Awun [Destruction]

Ba [Drought]

Ba Gua [basis of Divination]

Bo Hsian [Taoist]

Cai-Shen [Riches]

Can Cong [silkworms]

Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]

Chang Fei [War]

Chang Hs'ien [Children]

Chang Kuo-lao [?]

Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]

Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]

Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]

Chen Jen [spiritual Beings]

Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]

Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [buskers]

Chih Nu [Weavers]

Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]

Chih-Yu [inventor]

Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]

Chou Wang [sodomy]

Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]

Chu Jung [Fire]

Chu Lung [Day/Night]

Chung K'uei [Afterlife]

Chung-li Ch'uan [immortal]

Confucius [Philosopher]

Di Zhang Xia [?]

Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]

Erh-Lang [Guardian]

Fan-K'uei [butchers]

Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]

Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]

Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]

Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]

Fo [buddha]

Fu His [Taught Humanity]

Fu Hsing [Happiness]

Fu Shen [Happiness]

Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]

Fu-xi [Hero]

Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]

Gong Gong [Common Workers]

Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]

Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]

Gui Xian [Demon]

Han Hsiang [immortal]

Han Xiang-zi [immortal]

He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]

Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]

He Xian-gu [immortal]

Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]

Heng-o [Moon]

Ho Hsien-ku [immortal]

Ho Po [River]

Hou Chi [Harvest]

Hou I [Archer]

Hou T'u [Earth]

Hsien [Taoists]

Hsi Ho [sun's Creator]

Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]

Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]

Hua Hsien [Flower]

Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]

Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]

Hu-Shen [Hail]

I [bowmen]

Infoniwoo [Generation]

I-Ti [Wine]

K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]

Kuan Yu [War]

K'uei Hsing [Examinations]

Lan Cai-he [immortal]

Lao T'ien Yeh [supreme]

Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]

Lei Kung [storm]

Lei-zi [Thunder]

Li [Fire]

Li Tie-guai [immortal]

Liu [Crops]

Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [immortal]

Lu-Hsing [salaries/Employees]

Lung Wang [Dragon King]

Lupan [Carpenters]

Ma-Mien [bureaucrat]

Meng (Meng P'o) [underworld]

Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]

Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]

Mu Gong [immortals]

Niu-Y'oun [Police]

Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]

O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]

Pa [Drought]

Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]

Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]

P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]

'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]

Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]

Puhsien [sun]

Ran-deng [Future Buddha]

San Ch'inga [Three Taos]

Shang Di (Shang Ti) [supreme]

She Chi (Thu) [Earth]

Shen [spirit]

Sheng Jen [Holy]

Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]

Shen-T'u [Guardian]

Shen Yi [sun]

Shiang Ku [Magician]

Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]

Shou-Hsing [Longevity]

Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]

Shou-Ts'ang [servant]

Shui-Fu [Water]

Shui-Kuan [Defender]

Ssu Ming [Life and Death]

Sung-Chiang [Theives]

Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]

Sun Hou-zi [Apes]

Sun-Pin [Cobblers]

T'ai I [High]

Tai-sui-xing [Time]

Tai-yi [sky]

T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]

Thu [Earth]

Tian [sky]

Tian-zhu [Catholic]

Tien (T'ien) [sky]

Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]

T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]

T'ien Lung [Dragon]

Tien Mu [Lightening]

Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]

Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]

Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]

Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]

Ti Yu [Afterlife]

Tou Nu [North Star]

Ts'ai-Lun [stationers]

Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]

Tsan [Demons]

Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]

Tsao Shen [?]

Tsao-Wang [Hearth]

Tu [Earth]

Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]

T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]

Wang [Palace Door]

Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]

Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]

Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]

Wen Pu [Epidemics]

Wu Ti [Myth]

Xian [spirits]

Xi-Wang-mu [immortality]

Yama [seventh hell]

Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [underworld Prince]

Yao [Wind Conqueror]

Yao-shi-fo [Physician]

Yao Wang [Medicine]

Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]

Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [underworld Judge]

Yin and Yang [Male and Female]

Yo Fei [War]

Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]

Yu-di (Yu Huang) [supreme]

Yueh Fei [War]

Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]

Yun T'ung [Clouds]

Yu-qiang [sea]

Yu Shih [Rain]

Yu-tzu [Rain]

Zao Jun [Kitchen]

Zhang Guo-lao [immortal]

Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]

Zhong-li Quan [immortal]

[sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]

Finnish Gods:

Ahto [Water]

Akka [Harvest]

Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]

Hiisi [Forest/Evil]

Ilma [Air]

Ilmarinen [sky]

Inmar [sky]

Juma [sky]

Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]

Kalevanpojat [Demons]

Kalma [Death]

Kekri [Fertility Feast]

Kipu-Tytto [illness]

Kondos [sowing Crops]

Kuu [Moon]

Lemminkainen [Hero]

Louhi [sorcery/Evil]

Loviatar [Disease]

Luonnotar [Creator]

Madderakka [Dwarves]

Maahiset [Dwarves]

Naaki [Water]

Nyrckes [?]

Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]

Pajainen [?]

Pajonn [Thunder]

Para [Goblin Like]

Pellonpekko [barley]

Raudna [?]

Rutu [Devil]

Sampsa [Vegetation]

Seides [stones]

Rauni [?]

Tapio [Forest]

Tiermes [Thunder]

Tuoni [underworld

Tursas [Monster]

Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]

Vainamoinen [Hero]

Veralden-radien [World Pillars]

Waralden Olmai [World]

JAPANESE GODS

Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]

Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]

Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]

Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]

Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]

Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]

Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]

Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]

Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]

Bishamon [War]

Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]

Daikoku [Wealth]

Ebisu [Labor]

Fuchi [Fire]

Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]

Futsunushi [Lightening]

Gozu-Tenno [Plague]

Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]

Hikohohodemi [Hero]

Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]

Hiruko [Morning Sun]

Hoderi [?]

Hisa-Me [Devils]

Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]

Hosuseri [?]

Hotei [Laughter]

Inari [Prosperity]

Izanagi [Creator]

Izanami [Mother]

Jikoku [Guardians]

Jimmu Tenno [Founder]

Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]

Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]

Kamado-gami [Hearth]

Kami [Divinities]

Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]

Kami-Nari [Thunder]

Kamui [sky]

Kappa [Water]

Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]

Kishijoten [Luck]

Kishimojin [Demon]

Komoku [south]

Kompira [Wealth]

Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]

Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]

Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]

Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]

Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]

Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]

Ningyo [Mermaid]

Ninigi [Ruler Earth]

O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]

Onamuji [Earth]

Omiwa [Protective]

Oni [Demons]

O-Wata-Tsumi [sea]

O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]

Raiden [Thunder]

Ryo-Wo [sea]

Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]

Sae-No-Kami [Roads]

Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]

Sennin [immortals]

Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]

Shiko-Me [Devils]

Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]

Shitatera-Hime [?]

Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]

Shojo [satyrs]

Soko-No-Kuni [underworld]

Suitengu [sea]

Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]

Shoki [Enemy of Devils]

Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [storms]

Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]

Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]

Take-Mi-Musubi [sun]

Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]

Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]

Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]

Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]

Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]

Uji-gami [Ancestors]

Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility

and

Food]

Uzume [Mirth]

Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\

Wata-tsu-mi [sea]

Yabune [House]

Zocho [south]

Shinto Amaterasu [sun]

Ama-Tsu-Mara [smiths]

Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]

Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]

Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [supreme]

Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]

Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]

Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]

Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]

Fujin [Wind]

Hachiman [War]

Ho-musubi [Fire]

Kami [idols]

SOUTH ASIAN GODS

Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [supreme]

Debata [?]

Empung Luminuut [?]

Hainuwele [?]

Hananim [sky]

Hmin [Ague]

Karei [supreme]

Kinharingan [Creator]

Kud [Evil]

Laseo [sun]

Lature Dano [supreme]

Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]

Mahatala (Mahataral) [supreme?]

Ma-zu [?]

Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]

Narbrooi [Woodlands]

Nemu [Primodial]

Palk [sun]

Puang Matowa [sky]

Pulug [Thunder]

Reahu [Dark Demon]

Rigenmucha [supreme]

Silewe Nazarata [?]

Sirao [First]

Ta Pedn [?]

Tnong [sun]

Tumbrenjak [Original Man]

Upulevo [sun]

Wunekau [sun]

CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS

Abyrga [snake]

Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]

Aitvaras [Evil]

Alardi [spirit]

Aralo [Agriculutre]

Armaz [supreme]

Auseklis (Ausrine) [stellar]

Baba [spirit]

Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]

Bagvarti [?]

Bangputys [sea]

Bannik [baths]

Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]

Barastir (Barastaer) [underworld]

Bardha [Elves]

Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]

Beng [satan]

Biegg-Olmai [Wind]

Bogatyri [Heroes]

Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]

Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]

Buga [supreme]

Bukura e dheut

[Good Spirit]

Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]

Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]

Byelun [?]

Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]

Chors [sun]

Dabog [sun]

Deive [stone Spirits]

Dieva deli [?]

Dievini [Less Known Gods]

Dievs [sky]

Djall [Devil]

Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]

Donbittir [Water/Fish]

Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]

Dud [Heavenly Spirit]

Dvorovoi [Courtyard]

Dyavo [Demons]

En [?]

Erlik [King of the Dead]

Es [sky]

Fatit [Destiny]

Fene [Demon]

Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]

Gabjauja [Corn]

Giltine [Death]

Guta [Demon]

Hadur [War]

Himavat [Himalayas]

Horagalles [War]

Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]

Isten [supreme]

Jagaubis [Fire]

Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]

Jessis [avatar Jupiter]

Jumis [Fertility]

Juras Mate [Water]

Kaka-Guia [Funerary]

Kalvis [smith]

Karta [Fate]

Kaukas [?]

Khors [Health/Hunting]

Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]

Kikimora [Household]

K'op'ala [Protective]

Kukuth (Kukudhi) [sickness]

Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]

Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]

Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]

Kurdalaegon [blacksmiths]

Laima [Fate]

Lamaria [Hearth]

Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]

Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]

Laume [Fairy]

Leshy [Forest]

Lha [bon Gods]

Lhamo [?]

Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]

Ljubi [Demon]

Manzasiri [Primeval]

Mate [Mother]

Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]

Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]

Meness [Moon]

Menulis [Moon]

Meza Mate [Nature]

Mirsa [Light]

Mokos [Fertility]

Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]

Muma Padura [Wood]

Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]

Nang Lha [Household]

Nari [Demon]

Nari [sky]

Num [sky]

Odqan [Fire]

Ora [Protective]

Ordog [Dark]

Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]

Peko [barley]

Perendi [Jehovah]

Perit [Mountain Spirits]

Perkons [Thunder]

Perkunas [Thunder]

Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]

Polevik [Field]

Poludnitsa [Field]

Pon [sky]

Porenutius (Porevit) [?]

Preas Eyn [?]

Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]

Preas Prohm [Primeval]

Prende (Prenne) [Love]

Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]

Pugu [sun]

Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]

Rugievit [War]

Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]

Safa [Weapens]

Sanda [?]

Sarkany [Weather]

Saule [sun]

Saules meitas [?]

Selardi [Moon]

Shen-Lha-od-dkar [bon]

Shen-rab [Founder Bon]

Sipe Gyalmo [bon]

Shiwini [sun]

Shosshu [smiths]

Siwini [sun]

Srat [Demon]

Sri [Demon]

Sridevi [?]

Stribog [Winds]

Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]

Svarog [sky]

Syen [Guardian]

Stihi [Demon]

Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]

Telyaveli [smiths]

Tengri [Heavenly Beings]

Tesheba [Weather]

Thab-lha [Hearth]

Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]

Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]

Ulgen [Creator]

Urme [Fate]

Usins [?]

Vadatajs [Evil]

Vampire [soul of Dead]

Veela [Kindess]

Veja mate [Winds]

Veles (Volos) [underworld]

Velnias [Devil]

Velu mate [Dead]

Verbti [Fire/North Wind]

Vila [Water]

Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]

Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]

Vodnik [Demon]

Vodyanoi [Water]

Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]

We [supreme]

Xhindi [spirits]

Yarilo [Love]

Zaltys [Grass Snake]

Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [supreme]

Zemes mate [Mother]

Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]

Zorya [Guardian]

Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]

SIBERIAN GODS

Ai Tojon [Light]

Ajysyt [Mother]

Anky-Kele [sea]

Ayi [Creator]

Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]

Hinkon [Death Demon]

K'daai [Fire Demon]

Kaltes [The Goddess]

Ke'lets [Death Demon]

Kurkil [Creator]

Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]

Mayin [supreme]

Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]

Shurdi [Thunderstorms]

Tomam [bird]

Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]

Xucau [supreme]

Ye'loje (Pugu) [sun]

They all have some holy texts about how man and the animals came to

be, which one are you referring to?

May 15, 2007

In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com