Guest Jason Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 In article <xdo2i.6142$RX.3433@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5582@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, > > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > >>> <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > >>>> (Jason) let us all know that: > >>>> > >>>>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > >>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > >>>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [snips] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't > >>>>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them. > >>>>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a > >>> person - nor > >>>>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone > >>>>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know > >>>>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above. > >>>>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do > >>>>>>> they advocate adoption. > >>>>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not > >>>>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options > > and let > >>>>>> the patient decide. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young > >>>>>>> woman to have an abortion. > >>>>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do > >>>>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their > >>>>>> total case load? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They > >>>>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions. > >>>>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided > >>>>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out > > much. Their > >>>>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You are correct--the bumper > >>>>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife > >>>>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion" > >>>>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone > >>>>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the > > pro-lifers have > >>>>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their > > pet views > >>>>>> on others. > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>> > >>>>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that > >>>>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her > >>>>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the > >>>>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. > >>>> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice. > >>> > >>> Because in that state--it's the law. > >> Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not. > >> > >> It's my understanding the ACLU is > >>> trying to get the law overturned. > >> Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL > >> or another organization is involved. > >> > >> Of course, if women wanted to get their > >>> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not > >>> have to look at pictures of their babies. > >> Right. This is a good thing. > >> > >> Believe it or not, back in the > >>> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it > >>> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie. > >> They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even > >> organizations can do that. > >> > >>> Jason > >>> > >>> > > > > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of > > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more > > likely that women would agree to have abortions. > > Do you have evidence that they did this? Or did your "preacher" tell you so? > > > It's much harder to > > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > > have a living a baby in their womb. > > Thats why the reproductive fascists want these laws every place they can > get them. That goal is right up there with posting the Apostles' Creed > in our courthouses. > > That is the reason the ACLU and > > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > > of their babies. > > The reason that they oppose it is that it infringes on a woman's right > to privacy and it brings costs into the system that are better spent on > reproductive and other health counseling services. > > They know that once those women see those pictures, they > > will decide NOT to have an abortion. > > That is their sincere hope. They obviously do not expect that they will > ever need an abortion or that their daughters will. > > Planned Parenthood derives money from > > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. That's > > why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone know > > the net worth of Planned Parenthood. > > Their Stated Purpose: "to provide comprehensive reproductive and > complementary health care services in settings which preserve and > protect the essential privacy and rights of each individual; to advocate > public policies which guarantee these rights and ensure access to such > services; to provide educational programs which enhance understanding of > individual and societal implications of human sexuality; to promote > research and the advancement of technology in reproductive health care > and encourage understanding of their inherent bioethical, behavioral, > and social implications." > > They provide services regardless of ability to pay. > > Let's see now - you don't like evolutionary theory, so you lie about it. > You don't like Planned Parenthood so you lie about it. You lie so > easily that there is no reason to believe you on anything. > > You even claim you didn't know you were cross-posting, and got upset > when there were responses in other NGs. Once again you lie. > > > I heard a preacher say that it's over > > 1 billion dollars. > > Your pastor was lying. Check out > http://charityreports.give.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=626 What is the net worth of Planned Parenthood? Do they money derived from abortion? You appear to think that Planned Parenthood is a social service organization that does not make ANY money from the services that they provide. They may not money from some of the services they provide such as counseling but they derive millions of dollars from the abortions. You claim that I am lying but the truth is that you are trying to mis-lead the members of various newsgroups by implying that Planned Parenthood does not make money from any of the services that they provide. The truth is that they make millions of dollars from abortions. It's my opinion that the end goal of the free counseling programs are to convince women that abortion is the best option for them. The reason they do that is because they make more money from abortions than they would make if women decided to have their babies. Believe it or not, making money is the primary motivation for lots of businesses. Let's get real--Planned Parenthood is a business. jason > > You appear to get your information from preachers who care less about > the truth than you do. Your credibility is dropping by the nanosecond. > > Why don't you find the truth out for yourself instead of being spoonfed > questionable information by people with an agenda? > > You are acting like a spiritual zombie, brainlessly marching to the tune > banged out by some ignoramus with an axe to grind. > > Believe what you want, agree or disagree with what you want, but at > least know the facts. Wake up, man! You need to wake up and stop believing the words on the Planned Parenthood website that were probably written by someone that has a degree related to "public relations". The truth is that Planned Parenthood is a business that makes millions of dollars from abortions. In the "Stated Purpose" that you posted above, I looked for the word "abortion" and it was not listed. Wake Up, Man:; Abortion is the number one service that they provide and it's their "money maker" and most of the other free services are geared to convince women to have abortions. Quote
Guest Dave Oldridge Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 "H. Wm. Esque" <HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:3a42i.5031$ub.3065 @bignews6.bellsouth.net: > > "Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message > news:Xns992EC31A87EDdoldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159... >> "H. Wm. Esque" <HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:NOj1i.547$Ta.298 >> @bignews5.bellsouth.net: >> >> > >> > "Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message >> > news:es4a43d7h562rrvh5178c7mqbccfe33vg7@4ax.com... >> >> On 11 May 2007 17:58:04 -0700, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> - Refer: <1178931484.446237.115210@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> >> >> >On May 12, 12:35 am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> : >> >> >> >> >> I do not see him as deliberately dishonest. Mistaken, but not >> >> >> dishonest. >> >> > >> >> >You're being naive. He should have known how thermodynamics relates >> >> >to open systems. If anything he was being dishonest in trying to >> pass >> >> >himself off as an expert and claiming he'd "proven" something. >> >> > >> >> >Martin >> >> >> >> Mr. Esque has demonstrated time and time again that he has no problem >> >> whatsoever with blatant fraudulent dishonesty, provided that it is in >> >> support of his infantile delusions. >> >> >> > It utterly impossible to express a difference of opinion from >> > the "self-righteous" hypocrites who make "authoritative" >> > pronouncements without being called a liar, dishonest, >> > deluded etc. >> >> Not true. >> >> >> But it IS utterly impossible to pass oneself off as an expert >> in some particular of physics and then pretend you were ignorant of it. >> Either the person passing themself off is lying about the expertise or >> about the physics. Possibly both. >> > Speaking for myself, I admit I not an expert , but I did take > one year highschool and two semisters of physics at college > level. So I do know a little about the subject. In studing > thermodynamics, I do not recall > anything regarding thermodynamics and living systems. This > was a subject totally ignored. I still have my one of my old > thermo books. I think I sold the other books. > It's entitled "Fundamentals of Classical Thermodynamics." by > G.J. Van Wylen and R.E. Sonntag, 1986. In glancing through > this book and searching the subject index, there is nothing > about living systems, biology or any related topic I could > find. > Another book from the library at our recrecation center is > "thermodynamics" by Enrico Fermi, but it's the same story, > there is nothing pertaining to biology, entropy and living > systems, etc. So, accept for biologist, I question whether > physic deals with any of this. And biologist definately > "have a dog in this fight". >> >> > These _dictatorial authorities_ will not tolerant another >> > viewpoint. But they will demand summission to their own >> > decrees, if one fails to yield or cowtails to their edicts then >> > the personal charges and character assination follows. >> > Fortunately, this is the extent of their power. >> >> Apparently you don't HAVE another viewpoint. >> > Actually I do have a different viewpoint where thermodynamics > and evolution is concerned. I totally disagree with Kim on this. > Evolution is a fact! I don't question this, but he raised the issue > of thermodynamics as it pertains to the origin or life. > > This I have problems with. I think he raised legimate issue on > this one point. > > You just support the liars' right to lie and not be braced on it. >> I've got news for you. >> > You made my point. He voiced a different viewpoint from the > one you hold, therefore he is a liar. No room for disagreement >> >> They have NO SUCH RIGHT. Not only that, in any truly democratic venue >> they will not be accorded such a right. >> > If he is a liar, you must first prove that he stated something he > really does not believe. I think he is mistaken on much of what > he writes, but he believes it. Therefore he is no liar! >> >> So what kind of UNDEMOCRATIC venue are you trying to foist off on us? >> > Just some civility, courtesy and respect for the views with which you > disagree. I used to have that. But years of being reviled and lied about in public by the proponents of this heresy have left me a little calloused. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 Quote
Guest John Baker Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 On 15 May 2007 11:47:57 -0700, ayers_39@hotmail.com wrote: >On May 15, 1:14 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <f24i3n$ee...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike >> > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: >> >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Here are some statistics that I found. I will let you tell me whether or >> >>> not the murder rate was higher during 1950's compared to the 1990's and >> >>> 2000's. I did not see any 5's or higher in the 1950's but saw lots of 8s >> >>> and 9s in the 1990's and 2000's >> >> No-one said the murder rates were NOT lower in the 1950's. But you also >> >> haven't shown what the prison population was in the 1950's so those >> >> figures don't mean diddly here. You started off talking about what the >> >> prison population numbers were in 1990 so you have to use the SAME year >> >> for the crime rate numbers. If you want to use crime rate numbers from >> >> the 50's the provide the SAME year's prison populations. >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> > Someone else made some good points about statistics related to prison >> > populations. Various new laws; mandantory sentence laws; three strikes >> > laws; illegal immigrants and various other factors effect prison >> > populations. I concentrated on murder in my google search since MURDER is >> > one of those crimes that has always been against the law. >> > Jason >> >> And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you >> focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different >> ranges of years. > >Yes the alternative to theory is the truth. THE WORD OF GOD. God says you're a moron, so I guess it must be true. Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 In article <tm5k439e6hq88t84i1ti99dq77fjiv8rve@4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of > >> > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more > >> > likely that women would agree to have abortions. > > It is typical of the religious loonies that instead of addressing > issues, they invent non-existent motives "why" people hold the > positions they do. > > >> What evidence do you have of their saying that? There is no reason to > >> discuss this further if you don't have any. > > > >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was > >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by > >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out > >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that > >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an > >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women > >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after > >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. > >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over > >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost > >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons > >that they had severe depression related to abortions. > > Sermons are worthless. Preached by liars with an axe to grind. > > Apart from this anonymous sermon, where does any of this say that they > lied because they "knew that it not a "mass of tissue"--even in the > 1960's"? > > >> > It's much harder to > >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > >> > of their babies. > > Nobody is "Convincing a pregnant woman to have an abortion", liar. Perhaps "helping a pregnant woman to understand that abortion was the best option for them" would be better way to state it. > > >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law > >> should be overturned. > > > >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures > >of their unborn babies. > > What "unborn babies"? Do you mean the mass of cells that is all that > gets aborted in the first trimester? Abortions are done in all trimester. Partial Birth Abortions were done in the last trimester until the Supreme Court made Partial Birth Abortions" illegal. It's still legal to do abortions in the last trimester. I heard a sermon preached by a young lady that survived a third trimester abortion. > > >> They know that once those women see those pictures, they > >> > will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from > >> > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. > > No they don't, liar. They offer all sorts of reproductive services > including contraception etc. > > >> Do you have any idea of what you are saying? As noted earlier, Planned > >> Parenthood provides reproductive counseling and other services. They do > >> it without regard to income level. > > > >You are correct. However, Planned Parenthood earns millions of dollars per > >year as a result of abortions. I heard one preacher say that the net worth > >of Planned Parenthood is over one billion dollars. One preacher referred > >to money earned from abortions as "blood money". I heard one preacher say > >that Planned Parenthood even earns money by selling body parts of aborted > >babies. > > Sources? Or are you lying again? > > Hint: a preacher saying something is not a valid source - you have to > give _his_ sources. > > >> Again you come out with these lies, so casually, as though they were > >> truth. You do not know. You do not know what evolution is and you > >> spread lies about it. You do not know about Planned Parenthood and you > >> spread lies about it. It appears that you lie about things that you > >> don't like. That's not honest, that's not Christian, and it does your > >> causes no good. Why should anyone believe you about anything, Mr. > >> Slanderous Liar? > > What do you expect? It's Gastric after all. > > >> <snip more lies> Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 In article <lc7k43p1947j5o50k665hvv1dtp4svhvm9@4ax.com>, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com > (Jason) let us all know that: > > > >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was > >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by > >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out > >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that > >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an > >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women > >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after > >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. > >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over > >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost > >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons > >that they had severe depression related to abortions. > > So what? So What??? You seem to have no sympathy for the women that suffer severe depression as a direct result of abortions. Don't you care about those women? > > > > >> > It's much harder to > >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > >> > of their babies. > >> > >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law > >> should be overturned. > > > >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures > >of their unborn babies. > > Why should they have to? So as to realize that they have a baby--not a mass of tissue--growing inside their wombs. > > > Don > --- > aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde > Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. > > "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" > Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 In article <1179261773.675753.166680@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote: > On May 15, 2:47 pm, ayers...@hotmail.com wrote: > > On May 15, 1:14 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > In article <f24i3n$ee...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > > > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > > >>> Thanks, > > > >>> Here are some statistics that I found. I will let you tell me whether or > > > >>> not the murder rate was higher during 1950's compared to the 1990's and > > > >>> 2000's. I did not see any 5's or higher in the 1950's but saw lots of 8s > > > >>> and 9s in the 1990's and 2000's > > > >> No-one said the murder rates were NOT lower in the 1950's. But you also > > > >> haven't shown what the prison population was in the 1950's so those > > > >> figures don't mean diddly here. You started off talking about what the > > > >> prison population numbers were in 1990 so you have to use the SAME year > > > >> for the crime rate numbers. If you want to use crime rate numbers from > > > >> the 50's the provide the SAME year's prison populations. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Someone else made some good points about statistics related to prison > > > > populations. Various new laws; mandantory sentence laws; three strikes > > > > laws; illegal immigrants and various other factors effect prison > > > > populations. I concentrated on murder in my google search since MURDER is > > > > one of those crimes that has always been against the law. > > > > Jason > > > > > And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you > > > focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different > > > ranges of years. > > > > Yes the alternative to theory is the truth. THE WORD OF GOD.- Hide quoted text - > > > Which god? 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number devoted to 'Supremacy'] > Abassi [sky] > Abonsam [Evil] > Abora [supreme] > Abzu [Water] > Acoran [supreme] > Adaheli [sun] > Adro [sky] > Adroa [sky] > Agassou [Panther] > Agbe-Naete [Water] > Age [Animals] > Aigamuxa [Monster] > Ajalamo[unborn Children] > Aje [Wealth] > Ajok [supreme] > Akonadi [Oracle] > Akongo [supreme] > Akuj [supreme] > Ala [Earth/Fertility] > Alatangana [Creator] > Amma [Creator] > Anansi [Trickster] > Anyiewo [snake] > Aondo [Creator] > Apa [Creator] > Apedemak [War] > Arawa [Moon] > Arebati [sky] > Arom [Contracts] > Arsan Duolai [underworld] > Asase Ya [Earth] > Ashiakle [Wealth] > Asis [sun] > Astar [sky] > Ataa Naa > > Nyongmo > [Creator] > Ataokoloinona [supreme] > Atete [Fertility] > Avrikiti [Fishermen] > Ayabba > [Ayaba] [Hearth] > Bacax [Cave] > Bagba [Wind] > Balubaal [Earth+] > Bandara [superior Gods] > Banga [Clear water] > Behanzin [Fish] > Beher [sea] > Bera Pennu [Vegetation] > Bo [Warriors] > Bomazi[Ancestors] > Buadza [WInd] > Buck[River] > Buku [sky] > Bumba [Creator] > Cagn [Creator] > (!Kaggen) > Cghene [Creator] > Chiuke > (Chuku) [Creator] > Chiata [supreme] > Chwezi [Hero] > Col [Rain] > Chikara [sky] > Danh > (Dan Ayido Hwedo) [snake] > Deng [sky] > Deohako [beans+] > Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods] > Dongo [Outer Space] > Dugbo [Earth] > Dxui [Creator] > Emeli-hi [supreme] > Eranoranhan [Protector] > Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster] > Fa [Destiny] > Famien [Fertility] > Faro [sky/Water] > Fidi Mukullu [Creator] > Garang and Abuk [First Humans] > Gbeni [Chief] > Gei (Gou) [Moon] > Gu [War/Smiths] > Gua [sky] > Gulu [supreme] > Gunab [Evil] > Guruhi [Evil] > Gurzil [bull] > Gwalu [Rain] > Hammon [setting Sun] > Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits] > Heitsi-Eibib [sorcerer] > Hevioss [Thunder] > Huntin [Tree] > Huvean [Creator] > Ifa [Oracul] > Ikenga [supreme] > Imana [Creator] > Iruwa [sun] > Juok [Creator] > Kalumba [Creator] > Kalunga Supreme] > Katavi [Demonic] > Ka Tyeleo [supreme] > Khebieso [Lightening] > Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon] > Kholomodumo [Monster] > Khuzwane [Creator] > Kibuka [War] > Kokola [Guardian] > Kwammang-a [supreme] > Kwoth [spirit] > Kyala [Creator] > Legba [Trickster] > Leza [Chief] > Libanza [supreme] > Lisa [Chameleon] > Lyangombe[Chief] > Macardit [Demon] > Mantis [Creator] > Massim-Biambe [Creator] > Mawu [sky] > Mawu-Lisa [supreme Couple] > Mbotumbo [supreme] > Medr [Earth] > Moomb [Creator] > Mon [?] > Mugasa > Mugu [sky] > Mujaji [Rain] > Mukasa [supreme] > Mula Djadi [Creator] > Muluku [supreme] > Mulungu > Mungu [Creator] > Mungo (Mungu) [?] > Musa (Teaching] > Musisi [supreme] > Mwari [supreme] > Nampa [Personal] > Nana-Bouclou [First Gods] > Nana Buluk [Creator] > Ndjambi [sky] > Ndriananahary [supreme] > Nduru [Jungle] > Nenaunir [storm] > Nesshoue [River] > Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator] > Ngewo-wa [Creator] > Ngworekara [Demon] > Niamye [supreme] > Nkosi Yama'kosi [supreme] > Nommo [Elemental] > Nommo [spirit] > Nyama [Animal] > Nyambe [supreme] > Nyambi (Nyambe) [supreme] > Nyame > Nyami-Nyami [Guardian] > Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [supreme] > Nyamia Ama [supreme] > Nyasaye [supeme] > Nzambi (Nzambi) > Mpunguo) [supreme] > Nzame [supreme] > Obassi Osaw [supreme] > Obatala [sky] > Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth] > Ogun (Ogoun) War] > Olokula [sea] > Olorun [supreme] > Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life] > Orahan [supreme] > Orisa Nla [Creator] > Orishako [Agriculture] > Orunjan [Midday Sun] > Orunmila [Compassion] > Oshalla [?] > Osun [beauty and Love] > Oya [Passion and Power] > Pemba (Bemba) Mother] > Qandisa [Demon] > Qamata[Quamta] Supreme] > Rock-Sene [supreme] > Ruwa [supreme] > Sagbata [smallpox] > Sakarabru [Medicine] > Sakpata [smallpox] > Sango [Thunder] > Shango [Thunder] > So [Lightening] > Tano [River] > Tore [Forest] > Trowu[spirits] > Tsui'goab [Rain] > Twe [Lake] > Umvelinqangi [Creator] > Unkulunkulu [supreme] > Unumbotte [Creator] > Waka [Rain] > Wele [supreme] > Wulbari [supreme] > Wuni [supreme] > Xewioso [Thunder] > Yemaja [Creation] > Yo [impersonal] > Zin [Water] > Table of Asian Gods: > BUDDHIST > Abhijnaraja [Physician] > Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis] > Acala [?] > Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis] > Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis] > Adibuddha [First] > Adidharma [Primeval] > Aizen Myo-o [Protective] > Ajaya [?] > Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai > Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature] > Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani] > Amida [savior] > Amitabha [A Dhyani] > Amitayus [Longevity] > Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara] > Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani] > Anantamukhi [Literature] > Arapacana [book and Sword] > Arcismati [bhumis] > Arhat [A Saint] > Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis] > Arya-Tara [sakti] > Asokakanta [avatar Marici] > Asokottamasri [Physician] > Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla] > Asura [Group of Demons] > Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age] > Ayurvasita[One vasitas] > Balaparamita [Philosophy] > Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician] > Bhima[Attendant] > Bhrkuti[Female] > Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother] > Bhumi [spiritual Spheres] > Bhutadarma [Demon Controller] > Bi-har [Protector] > Bodhidharma [Monk] > Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [born to be Englightened] > Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas] > Buddhalocana [Female Buddha] > Budha [Mercury] > Butcho [?] > Chandarosana [Mahayana] > Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana] > Chakravartin [World Ruler] > Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa] > Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings] > Chittavista [Vashitas] > Citipati [Graveyard Demons] > Cunda [Literature] > Da-shi-zhi [bodhisattva] > Dadimunda [Temples] > Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom] > Dakini [Demons] > Dala Kadavara [Demon] > Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank] > Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi] > Dharani [Mystical Texts] > Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma] > Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician] > Dharmamegha [bhumis] > Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties] > Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis] > Dharmavasita [Vasitas] > Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians] > Dhupa [Mother] > Dhupatara [Mahayana] > Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya] > Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy] > Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas] > Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators] > Di-zang [bodhisattvas of Hell] > Dvarapala [?] > Ekajata [Terrible] > Emma-o [Judges the Dead] > Fudo [WIsdom] > Guan Yin [bodhisattva] > Hariti [Ate Children] > Hayagriva [Protection] > Heruka [Protection] > Hevajra [Protection] > Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries] > Jambhala [avatar Vausravana] > Janguli [snakebite cure] > Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence] > Jizo [Compassion] > Juichimen [Mercy] > Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo] > Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva] > Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [indian bodhisattva] > Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o] > Krodhadevatas [inspire Terror] > Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva] > Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy] > Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric] > Kurukulla [?] > Locana [?] > Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva] > Maitreya [Future] > Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva] > Manjusri [bodhisattva] > Mara [Evil] > Marici [sun] > Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva > Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva > Mo-Li [Protects Temples] > Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara] > Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses] > Pandara [?] > Paramasva [?] > Parnasavari [?] > Prajna [Femaleness] > Prajnaparamita [buddhist Text] > Ran-deng [beggar and Future Buddha] > Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva] > Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha] > Remanta [King of the Horse gods] > Sakyamuni [Japanese] > Samantabhadra [bodhisattvas] > Saptaksara [avatar Heruka] > Shakra [King of the Gods] > Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven] > Sumbharaja [buddhist Krodhadevata] > Tennin (Tennyo) [angels] > Usnisavijaya [?] > Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas] > Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World] > Vajrabhairava [?] > Vajrapani [bodhisattvas] > Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha] > Vajravarahi [?] > Vajrayogini [initiation] > Vajrayogini [Riches] > Vidyadharas [?] > Vidyujjvalakarali [?] > Vighnantaka [?] > Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World] > Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven] > Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva] > We-to [Divine General] > Yakushi Nyorai [Healing] > Yama [?] > Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas] > Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods] > CHINESE GODS > Ao [sea] > Awun [Destruction] > Ba [Drought] > Ba Gua [basis of Divination] > Bo Hsian [Taoist] > Cai-Shen [Riches] > Can Cong [silkworms] > Cao Guo-jiu [Actors] > Chang Fei [War] > Chang Hs'ien [Children] > Chang Kuo-lao [?] > Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon] > Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife] > Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians] > Chen Jen [spiritual Beings] > Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen] > Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [buskers] > Chih Nu [Weavers] > Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain] > Chih-Yu [inventor] > Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian] > Chou Wang [sodomy] > Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties] > Chu Jung [Fire] > Chu Lung [Day/Night] > Chung K'uei [Afterlife] > Chung-li Ch'uan [immortal] > Confucius [Philosopher] > Di Zhang Xia [?] > Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God] > Erh-Lang [Guardian] > Fan-K'uei [butchers] > Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind] > Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings] > Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind] > Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind] > Fo [buddha] > Fu His [Taught Humanity] > Fu Hsing [Happiness] > Fu Shen [Happiness] > Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods] > Fu-xi [Hero] > Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement] > Gong Gong [Common Workers] > Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers] > Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling] > Gui Xian [Demon] > Han Hsiang [immortal] > Han Xiang-zi [immortal] > He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers] > Heng E (Change-e) [Moon] > He Xian-gu [immortal] > Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples] > Heng-o [Moon] > Ho Hsien-ku [immortal] > Ho Po [River] > Hou Chi [Harvest] > Hou I [Archer] > Hou T'u [Earth] > Hsien [Taoists] > Hsi Ho [sun's Creator] > Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian] > Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven] > Hua Hsien [Flower] > Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero] > Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain] > Hu-Shen [Hail] > I [bowmen] > Infoniwoo [Generation] > I-Ti [Wine] > K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil] > Kuan Yu [War] > K'uei Hsing [Examinations] > Lan Cai-he [immortal] > Lao T'ien Yeh [supreme] > Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher] > Lei Kung [storm] > Lei-zi [Thunder] > Li [Fire] > Li Tie-guai [immortal] > Liu [Crops] > Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [immortal] > Lu-Hsing [salaries/Employees] > Lung Wang [Dragon King] > Lupan [Carpenters] > Ma-Mien [bureaucrat] > Meng (Meng P'o) [underworld] > Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush] > Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng] > Mu Gong [immortals] > Niu-Y'oun [Police] > Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage] > O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha] > Pa [Drought] > Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts] > Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals] > P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues] > 'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos] > Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth] > Puhsien [sun] > Ran-deng [Future Buddha] > San Ch'inga [Three Taos] > Shang Di (Shang Ti) [supreme] > She Chi (Thu) [Earth] > Shen [spirit] > Sheng Jen [Holy] > Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero] > Shen-T'u [Guardian] > Shen Yi [sun] > Shiang Ku [Magician] > Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten] > Shou-Hsing [Longevity] > Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life] > Shou-Ts'ang [servant] > Shui-Fu [Water] > Shui-Kuan [Defender] > Ssu Ming [Life and Death] > Sung-Chiang [Theives] > Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey] > Sun Hou-zi [Apes] > Sun-Pin [Cobblers] > T'ai I [High] > Tai-sui-xing [Time] > Tai-yi [sky] > T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak] > Thu [Earth] > Tian [sky] > Tian-zhu [Catholic] > Tien (T'ien) [sky] > Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven] > T'ien-Kuan [Happiness] > T'ien Lung [Dragon] > Tien Mu [Lightening] > Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings] > Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness] > Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth] > Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy] > Ti Yu [Afterlife] > Tou Nu [North Star] > Ts'ai-Lun [stationers] > Ts'ai Shen [Wealth] > Tsan [Demons] > Ts'ang Chien [Hearth] > Tsao Shen [?] > Tsao-Wang [Hearth] > Tu [Earth] > Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals] > T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality] > Wang [Palace Door] > Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian] > Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature] > Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri] > Wen Pu [Epidemics] > Wu Ti [Myth] > Xian [spirits] > Xi-Wang-mu [immortality] > Yama [seventh hell] > Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [underworld Prince] > Yao [Wind Conqueror] > Yao-shi-fo [Physician] > Yao Wang [Medicine] > Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death] > Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [underworld Judge] > Yin and Yang [Male and Female] > Yo Fei [War] > Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds] > Yu-di (Yu Huang) [supreme] > Yueh Fei [War] > Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High] > Yun T'ung [Clouds] > Yu-qiang [sea] > Yu Shih [Rain] > Yu-tzu [Rain] > Zao Jun [Kitchen] > Zhang Guo-lao [immortal] > Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations] > Zhong-li Quan [immortal] > [sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology] > Finnish Gods: > Ahto [Water] > Akka [Harvest] > Egres [Vegetation/Fertility] > Hiisi [Forest/Evil] > Ilma [Air] > Ilmarinen [sky] > Inmar [sky] > Juma [sky] > Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+] > Kalevanpojat [Demons] > Kalma [Death] > Kekri [Fertility Feast] > Kipu-Tytto [illness] > Kondos [sowing Crops] > Kuu [Moon] > Lemminkainen [Hero] > Louhi [sorcery/Evil] > Loviatar [Disease] > Luonnotar [Creator] > Madderakka [Dwarves] > Maahiset [Dwarves] > Naaki [Water] > Nyrckes [?] > Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties] > Pajainen [?] > Pajonn [Thunder] > Para [Goblin Like] > Pellonpekko [barley] > Raudna [?] > Rutu [Devil] > Sampsa [Vegetation] > Seides [stones] > Rauni [?] > Tapio [Forest] > Tiermes [Thunder] > Tuoni [underworld > Tursas [Monster] > Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder] > Vainamoinen [Hero] > Veralden-radien [World Pillars] > Waralden Olmai [World] > JAPANESE GODS > Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder] > Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star] > Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal] > Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility] > Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods] > Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil] > Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared] > Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth] > Bimbo-Gami [Poverty] > Bishamon [War] > Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea] > Daikoku [Wealth] > Ebisu [Labor] > Fuchi [Fire] > Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom] > Futsunushi [Lightening] > Gozu-Tenno [Plague] > Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind] > Hikohohodemi [Hero] > Hinokagutsuchi [Fire] > Hiruko [Morning Sun] > Hoderi [?] > Hisa-Me [Devils] > Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire] > Hosuseri [?] > Hotei [Laughter] > Inari [Prosperity] > Izanagi [Creator] > Izanami [Mother] > Jikoku [Guardians] > Jimmu Tenno [Founder] > Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity] > Kagu-tsuchi [Fire] > Kamado-gami [Hearth] > Kami [Divinities] > Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?] > Kami-Nari [Thunder] > Kamui [sky] > Kappa [Water] > Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers] > Kishijoten [Luck] > Kishimojin [Demon] > Komoku [south] > Kompira [Wealth] > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?] > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First] > Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth] > Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow] > Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes] > Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes] > Ningyo [Mermaid] > Ninigi [Ruler Earth] > O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery] > Onamuji [Earth] > Omiwa [Protective] > Oni [Demons] > O-Wata-Tsumi [sea] > O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain] > Raiden [Thunder] > Ryo-Wo [sea] > Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain] > Sae-No-Kami [Roads] > Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain] > Sennin [immortals] > Shichi-Fukujin [Luck] > Shiko-Me [Devils] > Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind] > Shitatera-Hime [?] > Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians] > Shojo [satyrs] > Soko-No-Kuni [underworld] > Suitengu [sea] > Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs] > Shoki [Enemy of Devils] > Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [storms] > Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family] > Takemikadzuchi [Thunder] > Take-Mi-Musubi [sun] > Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain] > Tatsuta-hime [Autumn] > Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest] > Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy] > Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon] > Uji-gami [Ancestors] > Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility > and > Food] > Uzume [Mirth] > Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\ > Wata-tsu-mi [sea] > Yabune [House] > Zocho [south] > Shinto Amaterasu [sun] > Ama-Tsu-Mara [smiths] > Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral] > Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water] > Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [supreme] > Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers] > Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental] > Ame-no-uzume [Dancers] > Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+] > Fujin [Wind] > Hachiman [War] > Ho-musubi [Fire] > Kami [idols] > SOUTH ASIAN GODS > Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [supreme] > Debata [?] > Empung Luminuut [?] > Hainuwele [?] > Hananim [sky] > Hmin [Ague] > Karei [supreme] > Kinharingan [Creator] > Kud [Evil] > Laseo [sun] > Lature Dano [supreme] > Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above] > Mahatala (Mahataral) [supreme?] > Ma-zu [?] > Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval] > Narbrooi [Woodlands] > Nemu [Primodial] > Palk [sun] > Puang Matowa [sky] > Pulug [Thunder] > Reahu [Dark Demon] > Rigenmucha [supreme] > Silewe Nazarata [?] > Sirao [First] > Ta Pedn [?] > Tnong [sun] > Tumbrenjak [Original Man] > Upulevo [sun] > Wunekau [sun] > CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS > Abyrga [snake] > Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms] > Aitvaras [Evil] > Alardi [spirit] > Aralo [Agriculutre] > Armaz [supreme] > Auseklis (Ausrine) [stellar] > Baba [spirit] > Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress] > Bagvarti [?] > Bangputys [sea] > Bannik [baths] > Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity] > Barastir (Barastaer) [underworld] > Bardha [Elves] > Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War] > Beng [satan] > Biegg-Olmai [Wind] > Bogatyri [Heroes] > Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children] > Bolla (Bullar) [Demon] > Buga [supreme] > Bukura e dheut > [Good Spirit] > Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah] > Byelobog (Bielbog) [?] > Byelun [?] > Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?] > Chors [sun] > Dabog [sun] > Deive [stone Spirits] > Dieva deli [?] > Dievini [Less Known Gods] > Dievs [sky] > Djall [Devil] > Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household] > Donbittir [Water/Fish] > Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods] > Dud [Heavenly Spirit] > Dvorovoi [Courtyard] > Dyavo [Demons] > En [?] > Erlik [King of the Dead] > Es [sky] > Fatit [Destiny] > Fene [Demon] > Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire] > Gabjauja [Corn] > Giltine [Death] > Guta [Demon] > Hadur [War] > Himavat [Himalayas] > Horagalles [War] > Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate] > Isten [supreme] > Jagaubis [Fire] > Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War] > Jessis [avatar Jupiter] > Jumis [Fertility] > Juras Mate [Water] > Kaka-Guia [Funerary] > Kalvis [smith] > Karta [Fate] > Kaukas [?] > Khors [Health/Hunting] > Khyung-gai mGo-can [?] > Kikimora [Household] > K'op'ala [Protective] > Kukuth (Kukudhi) [sickness] > Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon] > Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon] > Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs] > Kurdalaegon [blacksmiths] > Laima [Fate] > Lamaria [Hearth] > Laskowice (Leshcia) 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> Zaltys [Grass Snake] > Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [supreme] > Zemes mate [Mother] > Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth] > Zorya [Guardian] > Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star] > SIBERIAN GODS > Ai Tojon [Light] > Ajysyt [Mother] > Anky-Kele [sea] > Ayi [Creator] > Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters] > Hinkon [Death Demon] > K'daai [Fire Demon] > Kaltes [The Goddess] > Ke'lets [Death Demon] > Kurkil [Creator] > Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit] > Mayin [supreme] > Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals] > Shurdi [Thunderstorms] > Tomam [bird] > Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator] > Xucau [supreme] > Ye'loje (Pugu) [sun] > > > They all have some holy texts about how man and the animals came to > be, which one are you referring to? 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Guest Don Kresch Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 15:24:15 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <lc7k43p1947j5o50k665hvv1dtp4svhvm9@4ax.com>, Don Kresch ><ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) let us all know that: >> >> >> >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was >> >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by >> >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out >> >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that >> >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an >> >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women >> >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after >> >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. >> >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over >> >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost >> >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons >> >that they had severe depression related to abortions. >> >> So what? > >So What??? You seem to have no sympathy for the women that suffer severe >depression as a direct result of abortions. Huh? What part of your ass did you pull THAT from? Listen up, and listen up good: that some women suffer depression from abortions has nothing at all, I repeat: NOTHING AT ALL, to do with whether or not abortion is moral. Nothing. >> >> > >> >> > It's much harder to >> >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they >> >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and >> >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the >> >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds >> >> > of their babies. >> >> >> >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law >> >> should be overturned. >> > >> >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures >> >of their unborn babies. >> >> Why should they have to? > >So as to realize that they have a baby So what? It's a mass of tissue that someday might be a baby. But not now. Why are you so dead-set on preventing someone from making a decision when s/he wants to? Why do you want to run someone else's life? Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest cactus Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <xdo2i.6142$RX.3433@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5582@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, >>> bm1@nonespam.com wrote: >>> >>>> Jason wrote: >>>>> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch >>>>> <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >>>>>> (Jason) let us all know that: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>>>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [snips] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. > I don't >>>>>>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them. >>>>>>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a >>>>> person - nor >>>>>>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, > someone >>>>>>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know >>>>>>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above. >>>>>>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do >>>>>>>>> they advocate adoption. >>>>>>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at > least, not >>>>>>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options >>> and let >>>>>>>> the patient decide. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young >>>>>>>>> woman to have an abortion. >>>>>>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether > they do >>>>>>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their >>>>>>>> total case load? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They >>>>>>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions. >>>>>>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided >>>>>>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out >>> much. Their >>>>>>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are correct--the bumper >>>>>>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the > prolife >>>>>>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion" >>>>>>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that > someone >>>>>>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the >>> pro-lifers have >>>>>>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their >>> pet views >>>>>>>> on others. >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that >>>>>>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her >>>>>>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the >>>>>>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. >>>>>> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice. >>>>> Because in that state--it's the law. >>>> Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not. >>>> >>>> It's my understanding the ACLU is >>>>> trying to get the law overturned. >>>> Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL >>>> or another organization is involved. >>>> >>>> Of course, if women wanted to get their >>>>> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not >>>>> have to look at pictures of their babies. >>>> Right. This is a good thing. >>>> >>>> Believe it or not, back in the >>>>> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it >>>>> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie. >>>> They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even >>>> organizations can do that. >>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>> The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of >>> tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more >>> likely that women would agree to have abortions. >> Do you have evidence that they did this? Or did your "preacher" tell you so? >> >> >> It's much harder to >>> convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they >>> have a living a baby in their womb. >> Thats why the reproductive fascists want these laws every place they can >> get them. That goal is right up there with posting the Apostles' Creed >> in our courthouses. >> >> That is the reason the ACLU and >>> perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the >>> law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds >>> of their babies. >> The reason that they oppose it is that it infringes on a woman's right >> to privacy and it brings costs into the system that are better spent on >> reproductive and other health counseling services. >> >> They know that once those women see those pictures, they >>> will decide NOT to have an abortion. >> That is their sincere hope. They obviously do not expect that they will >> ever need an abortion or that their daughters will. >> >> Planned Parenthood derives money from >>> abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. That's >>> why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone know >>> the net worth of Planned Parenthood. >> Their Stated Purpose: "to provide comprehensive reproductive and >> complementary health care services in settings which preserve and >> protect the essential privacy and rights of each individual; to advocate >> public policies which guarantee these rights and ensure access to such >> services; to provide educational programs which enhance understanding of >> individual and societal implications of human sexuality; to promote >> research and the advancement of technology in reproductive health care >> and encourage understanding of their inherent bioethical, behavioral, >> and social implications." >> >> They provide services regardless of ability to pay. >> >> Let's see now - you don't like evolutionary theory, so you lie about it. >> You don't like Planned Parenthood so you lie about it. You lie so >> easily that there is no reason to believe you on anything. >> >> You even claim you didn't know you were cross-posting, and got upset >> when there were responses in other NGs. Once again you lie. >> >> >> I heard a preacher say that it's over >>> 1 billion dollars. Again, he's wrong. He lies. Here are excerpts from Planned Parenthood's annual report for 2003-2004, which is the latest I could find. If you actually want to learn something, it's at http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/annualreport/report-04.pdf A look at page 24 shows that they spent some $35 Million more than they took in, which leaves their net assets as of 6/30/04 of $725 Million. Makes one want to distrust preachers doesn't it? >> Your pastor was lying. Check out >> http://charityreports.give.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=626 > > What is the net worth of Planned Parenthood? Do they money derived from > abortion? > > You appear to think that Planned Parenthood is a social service > organization that does not make ANY money from the services that they > provide. They may not money from some of the services they provide such as > counseling but they derive millions of dollars from the abortions. Abortion services are a small part of Planned Parenthood's activities. A look at page 11 shows that there were some 245,000 abortions performed. The total number of services performed was some 8 Million. So abortions represent about 3% of the total services performed. Most of the other services include breast examination, pregnancy tests, contraception kits, and sexually transmitted infection (STI) services for both men and women. So there is much more to the picture than your lying preachers would have you believe. You > claim that I am lying but the truth is that you are trying to mis-lead the > members of various newsgroups by implying that Planned Parenthood does not > make money from any of the services that they provide. The truth is that > they make millions of dollars from abortions. See above. I am providing their own information. You are basing your assertions on lies and ignorance. It's my opinion that the end > goal of the free counseling programs are to convince women that abortion > is the best option for them. If that were their intent, the number of abortions performed would have been much higher. You make unfounded assumptions about the organization and spread lies because you don't like them. The reason they do that is because they make > more money from abortions than they would make if women decided to have > their babies. Believe it or not, making money is the primary motivation > for lots of businesses. Let's get real--Planned Parenthood is a business. Planned Parenthood is a non-profit. It has to cover its expenses, but it is supposed to break even - any surplus gets banked against bad times. > jason > > > >> You appear to get your information from preachers who care less about >> the truth than you do. Your credibility is dropping by the nanosecond. >> >> Why don't you find the truth out for yourself instead of being spoonfed >> questionable information by people with an agenda? >> >> You are acting like a spiritual zombie, brainlessly marching to the tune >> banged out by some ignoramus with an axe to grind. >> >> Believe what you want, agree or disagree with what you want, but at >> least know the facts. Wake up, man! > > You need to wake up and stop believing the words on the Planned Parenthood > website that were probably written by someone that has a degree related to > "public relations". They are more credible than you and your lying preachers. Their reports are subject to audit and public scrutiny. OTOH Your preachers can say whatever they want, whether true or otherwise. There is no reason to believe them. The truth is that Planned Parenthood is a business > that makes millions of dollars from abortions. See above. Abortions are a tiny percentage of what they do. Most of their activities are involved with promoting reproductive rights and reproductive health, e.g. treatment for STIs. In the "Stated Purpose" > that you posted above, I looked for the word "abortion" and it was not > listed. Wake Up, Man:; Abortion is the number one service that they > provide and it's their "money maker" and most of the other free services > are geared to convince women to have abortions. You are wrong. Abortions are a tiny portion of the services they provide. Read the numbers. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 On Tue, 15 May 2007 00:18:36 -0700, Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote: > Kelsey Bjarnason wrote: > > >>>dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't >>>dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them. >> >> >> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a person - nor >> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone >> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know >> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above. > > I advocate abortion. It is my firm belief that people who are deliberately > stupid, false morals hypocrite assholes, murderers, fanatics and fascists in > general should not reproduce. Therefore, I would applaud abortion for anyone > who supports Hitler, Franco, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and > their ilk. Hell, I even support retroactive abortion in those cases. Works for me. "We're enacting legislation to allow abortion up to the 900th month..." -- You and all the other atheists in this echo are all sloth pigs, who don't give a damn about life, and are going nowhere in it. - Christopher Calabrese Quote
Guest Ralph Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1505071519370001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <tm5k439e6hq88t84i1ti99dq77fjiv8rve@4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee > <calee@optonline.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > >> >> > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of >> >> > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it >> >> > more >> >> > likely that women would agree to have abortions. >> >> It is typical of the religious loonies that instead of addressing >> issues, they invent non-existent motives "why" people hold the >> positions they do. >> >> >> What evidence do you have of their saying that? There is no reason to >> >> discuss this further if you don't have any. >> > >> >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was >> >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided >> >by >> >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out >> >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that >> >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an >> >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by >> >women >> >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly >> >after >> >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. >> >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over >> >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened >> >almost >> >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons >> >that they had severe depression related to abortions. >> >> Sermons are worthless. Preached by liars with an axe to grind. >> >> Apart from this anonymous sermon, where does any of this say that they >> lied because they "knew that it not a "mass of tissue"--even in the >> 1960's"? >> >> >> > It's much harder to >> >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that >> >> > they >> >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and >> >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have >> >> > the >> >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D >> >> > ultrasounds >> >> > of their babies. >> >> Nobody is "Convincing a pregnant woman to have an abortion", liar. > > Perhaps "helping a pregnant woman to understand that abortion was the best > option for them" would be better way to state it. Pregnant women have already made that decision, that's why they are getting an abortion. What part of that don't you comprehend? > >> >> >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law >> >> should be overturned. >> > >> >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the >> >pictures >> >of their unborn babies. >> >> What "unborn babies"? Do you mean the mass of cells that is all that >> gets aborted in the first trimester? > > Abortions are done in all trimester. Partial Birth Abortions were done in > the last trimester until the Supreme Court made Partial Birth Abortions" > illegal. It's still legal to do abortions in the last trimester. I heard a > sermon preached by a young lady that survived a third trimester abortion. You seem to get a lot of your information from sermons. Most abortions occur in the first trimester. Get your facts straight. >> >> They know that once those women see those pictures, they >> >> > will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives > money from >> >> > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. >> >> No they don't, liar. They offer all sorts of reproductive services >> including contraception etc. >> >> >> Do you have any idea of what you are saying? As noted earlier, >> >> Planned >> >> Parenthood provides reproductive counseling and other services. They >> >> do >> >> it without regard to income level. >> > >> >You are correct. However, Planned Parenthood earns millions of dollars >> >per >> >year as a result of abortions. I heard one preacher say that the net >> >worth >> >of Planned Parenthood is over one billion dollars. One preacher referred >> >to money earned from abortions as "blood money". I heard one preacher >> >say >> >that Planned Parenthood even earns money by selling body parts of >> >aborted >> >babies. >> >> Sources? Or are you lying again? >> >> Hint: a preacher saying something is not a valid source - you have to >> give _his_ sources. >> >> >> Again you come out with these lies, so casually, as though they were >> >> truth. You do not know. You do not know what evolution is and you >> >> spread lies about it. You do not know about Planned Parenthood and you >> >> spread lies about it. It appears that you lie about things that you >> >> don't like. That's not honest, that's not Christian, and it does your >> >> causes no good. Why should anyone believe you about anything, Mr. >> >> Slanderous Liar? >> >> What do you expect? It's Gastric after all. >> >> >> <snip more lies> > > Quote
Guest Ralph Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1505071524150001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <lc7k43p1947j5o50k665hvv1dtp4svhvm9@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) let us all know that: >> >> >> >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was >> >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided >> >by >> >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out >> >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that >> >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an >> >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by >> >women >> >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly >> >after >> >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. >> >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over >> >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened >> >almost >> >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons >> >that they had severe depression related to abortions. >> >> So what? > > So What??? You seem to have no sympathy for the women that suffer severe > depression as a direct result of abortions. Don't you care about those > women? I care more about the vast majority of women who obtain relief after they have an abortion. It's really simple Jason, if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. >> >> > It's much harder to >> >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that >> >> > they >> >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and >> >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have >> >> > the >> >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D >> >> > ultrasounds >> >> > of their babies. >> >> >> >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law >> >> should be overturned. >> > >> >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the >> >pictures >> >of their unborn babies. >> >> Why should they have to? > > So as to realize that they have a baby--not a mass of tissue--growing > inside their wombs. They understand that, it isn't necessary to show them what they already understand. Quote
Guest cactus Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Jason wrote: > <snip> >> Again, he's wrong. He lies. Here are excerpts from Planned Parenthood's >> annual report for 2003-2004, which is the latest I could find. If you >> actually want to learn something, it's at >> http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/annualreport/report-04.pdf >> >> A look at page 24 shows that they spent some $35 Million more than they >> took in, which leaves their net assets as of 6/30/04 of $725 Million. > > I did a quick google search and found one report indicated that their > total assets were $52,668,607. However, I believe that was related to > America so that might be reason we found different numbers. The preacher > must have been wrong unless he was talking about how much money Planned > Parenthood has made during past 30 or more years. Regardless, $725 million > and even $52 million is a lot of money. I believe you would agree that > lots of money they earned was from abortions. No I wouldn't, for the following reasons: 1. I don't know what they charge 2. I don't know how many people are actually charged for the service 3. I don't know the charges for any of their services 4. There is no reason to believe you because you rarely back up your assertions with credible information. I don't know how much money > they earned as a result of selling the body parts of aborted babies. Do you have credible evidence that this is taking place? It is after all illegal to sell body parts, and there are so many vultures waiting to pounce that it is unlikely that Planned Parenthood would take that sort of risk. It's probably slander. I > doubt that you would find that figure on their website. I will post the > report that I downloaded below: > > <snip> It appears to be legal. That means it's going on elsewhere as well. Corpses are used by forensic labs and medical schools, among others for legitimate purposes. Body parts are body parts, regardless of the age at death. You and they are just trying to find something on Planned Parenthood. They are complying with the law. You don't have to like it. > Quote
Guest Ralph Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-1505071426570001@66-52-22-64.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <xdo2i.6142$RX.3433@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5582@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, >> > bm1@nonespam.com wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>> In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l47j@4ax.com>, Don Kresch >> >>> <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >> >>>> (Jason) let us all know that: >> >>>> >> >>>>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> >>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey >> >>>>>>> Bjarnason >> >>>>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> [snips] >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. > I don't >> >>>>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them. >> >>>>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a >> >>> person - nor >> >>>>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, > someone >> >>>>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we >> >>>>>>>> know >> >>>>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above. >> >>>>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion >> >>>>>>> or do >> >>>>>>> they advocate adoption. >> >>>>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at > least, not >> >>>>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options >> > and let >> >>>>>> the patient decide. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young >> >>>>>>> woman to have an abortion. >> >>>>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether > they do >> >>>>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to >> >>>>>> their >> >>>>>> total case load? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They >> >>>>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions. >> >>>>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided >> >>>>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out >> > much. Their >> >>>>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> You are correct--the bumper >> >>>>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the > prolife >> >>>>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion" >> >>>>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that > someone >> >>>>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the >> > pro-lifers have >> >>>>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their >> > pet views >> >>>>>> on others. >> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound >> >>>>> of her >> >>>>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look >> >>>>> at the >> >>>>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. >> >>>> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice. >> >>> >> >>> Because in that state--it's the law. >> >> Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not. >> >> >> >> It's my understanding the ACLU is >> >>> trying to get the law overturned. >> >> Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL >> >> or another organization is involved. >> >> >> >> Of course, if women wanted to get their >> >>> abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would >> >>> not >> >>> have to look at pictures of their babies. >> >> Right. This is a good thing. >> >> >> >> Believe it or not, back in the >> >>> 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that >> >>> it >> >>> was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie. >> >> They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even >> >> organizations can do that. >> >> >> >>> Jason >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of >> > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more >> > likely that women would agree to have abortions. >> >> Do you have evidence that they did this? Or did your "preacher" tell you >> so? >> >> >> It's much harder to >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that >> > they >> > have a living a baby in their womb. >> >> Thats why the reproductive fascists want these laws every place they can >> get them. That goal is right up there with posting the Apostles' Creed >> in our courthouses. >> >> That is the reason the ACLU and >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D >> > ultrasounds >> > of their babies. >> >> The reason that they oppose it is that it infringes on a woman's right >> to privacy and it brings costs into the system that are better spent on >> reproductive and other health counseling services. >> >> They know that once those women see those pictures, they >> > will decide NOT to have an abortion. >> >> That is their sincere hope. They obviously do not expect that they will >> ever need an abortion or that their daughters will. >> >> Planned Parenthood derives money from >> > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. >> > That's >> > why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone >> > know >> > the net worth of Planned Parenthood. >> >> Their Stated Purpose: "to provide comprehensive reproductive and >> complementary health care services in settings which preserve and >> protect the essential privacy and rights of each individual; to advocate >> public policies which guarantee these rights and ensure access to such >> services; to provide educational programs which enhance understanding of >> individual and societal implications of human sexuality; to promote >> research and the advancement of technology in reproductive health care >> and encourage understanding of their inherent bioethical, behavioral, >> and social implications." >> >> They provide services regardless of ability to pay. >> >> Let's see now - you don't like evolutionary theory, so you lie about it. >> You don't like Planned Parenthood so you lie about it. You lie so >> easily that there is no reason to believe you on anything. >> >> You even claim you didn't know you were cross-posting, and got upset >> when there were responses in other NGs. Once again you lie. >> >> >> I heard a preacher say that it's over >> > 1 billion dollars. >> >> Your pastor was lying. Check out >> http://charityreports.give.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=626 > > What is the net worth of Planned Parenthood? Do they money derived from > abortion? Did you even read that link that was provided???? These are real numbers, not numbers pulled from a preacher's ass! > You appear to think that Planned Parenthood is a social service > organization that does not make ANY money from the services that they > provide. They may not money from some of the services they provide such as > counseling but they derive millions of dollars from the abortions. You > claim that I am lying but the truth is that you are trying to mis-lead the > members of various newsgroups by implying that Planned Parenthood does not > make money from any of the services that they provide. The truth is that > they make millions of dollars from abortions. It's my opinion that the end > goal of the free counseling programs are to convince women that abortion > is the best option for them. The reason they do that is because they make > more money from abortions than they would make if women decided to have > their babies. Believe it or not, making money is the primary motivation > for lots of businesses. Let's get real--Planned Parenthood is a business. > jason Looks like to me they were $8M in the hole last year. >> You appear to get your information from preachers who care less about >> the truth than you do. Your credibility is dropping by the nanosecond. >> >> Why don't you find the truth out for yourself instead of being spoonfed >> questionable information by people with an agenda? >> >> You are acting like a spiritual zombie, brainlessly marching to the tune >> banged out by some ignoramus with an axe to grind. >> >> Believe what you want, agree or disagree with what you want, but at >> least know the facts. Wake up, man! > > You need to wake up and stop believing the words on the Planned Parenthood > website that were probably written by someone that has a degree related to > "public relations". The truth is that Planned Parenthood is a business > that makes millions of dollars from abortions. In the "Stated Purpose" > that you posted above, I looked for the word "abortion" and it was not > listed. Wake Up, Man:; Abortion is the number one service that they > provide and it's their "money maker" and most of the other free services > are geared to convince women to have abortions. No, you wake up you ignorant hypocritical Christian! The site is a BBB site, read the damn thing!! Quote
Guest cactus Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <lc7k43p1947j5o50k665hvv1dtp4svhvm9@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > >> In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) let us all know that: >> >> >>> I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was >>> telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by >>> Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out >>> more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that >>> term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an >>> advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women >>> that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after >>> the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. >>> After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over >>> an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost >>> every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons >>> that they had severe depression related to abortions. >> So what? > > So What??? You seem to have no sympathy for the women that suffer severe > depression as a direct result of abortions. Don't you care about those > women? > Women often experience depression after giving birth. Brooke Shields was the most public example, but I know a number of women who also experienced it. It has to do with hormonal changes after the fetus is expelled. <snip> Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 <snip> > > Again, he's wrong. He lies. Here are excerpts from Planned Parenthood's > annual report for 2003-2004, which is the latest I could find. If you > actually want to learn something, it's at > http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/annualreport/report-04.pdf > > A look at page 24 shows that they spent some $35 Million more than they > took in, which leaves their net assets as of 6/30/04 of $725 Million. I did a quick google search and found one report indicated that their total assets were $52,668,607. However, I believe that was related to America so that might be reason we found different numbers. The preacher must have been wrong unless he was talking about how much money Planned Parenthood has made during past 30 or more years. Regardless, $725 million and even $52 million is a lot of money. I believe you would agree that lots of money they earned was from abortions. I don't know how much money they earned as a result of selling the body parts of aborted babies. I doubt that you would find that figure on their website. I will post the report that I downloaded below: <snip> The abortion picture is more than an anti-abortion pro-life debate. From the partial birth abortion law to teen abortion statistics, from the fight against abortion pill RU-486 to the facts on abortion clinics like Planned Parenthood we've got the abortion information pro-life groups need. Online prolife help Prolife Facts Profile Group Prolife Videos etc Prolife Action Prolife tactics Free prolife books pixel Original Release Date: February, 2000 Updated: March, 2007 In April of 1997, Life Dynamics began an undercover investigation into the marketing of body parts harvested from babies killed by elective abortions. This investigation lasted approximately 31 months. Most of the information in this report was provided by employees who worked at Comprehensive Health for Women (Comp Health) - a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic located in Overland Park, Kansas. The System Federal laws, and many state laws, make it illegal to buy or sell human bodies or body parts. However, they can be legally donated for medical research and certain other legitimate purposes. In such cases, the supplier is allowed to recover from the recipient any reasonable out-of-pocket expenses that were necessary to fill the recipient's order. Some abortion industry insiders, wanting to financially profit on the growing market for fetal tissue and body parts, have devised a scheme to circumvent these restrictions. This is how the system works: 1) A baby parts "wholesaler" enters into a financial agreement with an abortion clinic in which the wholesaler pays a monthly "site fee" to the clinic. For this payment, the wholesaler is allowed to place a retrieval agent inside the clinic where he or she is given access to the corpses of children killed there and a workspace to harvest their parts. In most cases, this retrieval agent is an employee of the wholesaler. In other instances, the retrieval agent is a clinic employee who was trained by the wholesaler. 2) The buyer - usually a researcher working for a medical school, pharmaceutical company, bio-tech company or government agency - supplies the wholesaler with a list of the baby parts wanted. 3) When such orders are received by the wholesaler, they are faxed to the retrieval agent at the clinic who harvests the requested parts and ships them to the buyer via FedEx, Airborne or a similar common carrier. 4) These parts are "donated" by the clinic to the wholesaler who turns around and "donates" them to the buyer. The buyer then "reimburses" the wholesaler for the cost of retrieving the parts. On the surface, this system does not appear to violate the legal prohibitions against trafficking in human body parts since, technically speaking, no one is buying or selling anything. The loophole is that site fees and retrieval reimbursement amounts are unregulated. The law requires that such payments be reasonable and reflect the actual cost of securing the parts, but there are no state or federal laws which establish guidelines or sets limits regarding these payments. Additionally, no governmental or law enforcement agency is charged with overseeing the system. This means that the wholesaler is free to set site fees and retrieval fees at any amount. Despite the fact that the baby parts business is teeming with profound moral implications, and despite the fact it has enormous potential for financial abuse, it is allowed to operate on the honor system. It is certainly no secret that this sort of self-policing never works in environments where large amounts of money are involved. In this case, the result is that the corpses of children killed by elective abortion are now marketed like old car parts salvaged from the local junkyard. Rhetoric like "site fees," "donations," and "retrieval reimbursement costs" are simply code words designed to conceal that fact. Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 16, 3:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, > > b...@nonespam.com wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > > > <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > > >> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, J...@nospam.com > > >> (Jason) let us all know that: > > > >>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > >>> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > >>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > >>>>> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> [snips] > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > >>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't > > >>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them. > > >>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a > > > person - nor > > >>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone > > >>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know > > >>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above. > > >>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do > > >>>>> they advocate adoption. > > >>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not > > >>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options > and let > > >>>> the patient decide. > > > >>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young > > >>>>> woman to have an abortion. > > >>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do > > >>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their > > >>>> total case load? > > > >>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They > > >>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions. > > >>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided > > >>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out > much. Their > > >>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled. > > > >>>>> You are correct--the bumper > > >>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife > > >>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion" > > >>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone > > >>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the > pro-lifers have > > >>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their > pet views > > >>>> on others. > > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that > > >>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her > > >>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the > > >>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. > > >> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice. > > > > Because in that state--it's the law. > > > Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not. > > > It's my understanding the ACLU is > > > trying to get the law overturned. > > > Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL > > or another organization is involved. > > > Of course, if women wanted to get their > > > abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not > > > have to look at pictures of their babies. > > > Right. This is a good thing. > > > Believe it or not, back in the > > > 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it > > > was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie. > > > They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even > > organizations can do that. > > > > Jason > > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more > likely that women would agree to have abortions. It's much harder to > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > of their babies. They know that once those women see those pictures, they > will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. That's > why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone know > the net worth of Planned Parenthood. I heard a preacher say that it's over > 1 billion dollars. And preachers never lie, do they? Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 16, 5:04 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <gMn2i.75$H24...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, b...@nonespam.com wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of > > > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more > > > likely that women would agree to have abortions. > > > What evidence do you have of their saying that? There is no reason to > > discuss this further if you don't have any. > > I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was > telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by > Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out > more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that > term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an > advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women > that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after > the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. > After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over > an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost > every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons > that they had severe depression related to abortions. That's because Christians like you have made them feel guilty. Wonderful. The irony is that if she had actually gotten an ultrasound she would have seen that it really was just a mass of tissue until the end of the third month when you would have started to see arms and legs. > > > It's much harder to > > > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > > > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > > > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > > > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > > > of their babies. > > > No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law > > should be overturned. > > They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures > of their unborn babies. And she probably would but the point is that the doctor could just as easily show her pictures of what her baby would look like at one month, two months, three months, etc. There's no need for them to go to that time and expense. The law is simply trying to make it difficult for a woman to have an abortion. Look, Jason, I was adopted. My birth mother was only sixteen when she had me. I realize full well that I could have been aborted, That doesn't change the fact that it would have been her choice. > > They know that once those women see those pictures, they > > > will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from > > > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. > > > Do you have any idea of what you are saying? As noted earlier, Planned > > Parenthood provides reproductive counseling and other services. They do > > it without regard to income level. > > You are correct. However, Planned Parenthood earns millions of dollars per > year as a result of abortions. I heard one preacher say that the net worth > of Planned Parenthood is over one billion dollars. One preacher referred > to money earned from abortions as "blood money". I heard one preacher say > that Planned Parenthood even earns money by selling body parts of aborted > babies. Your preacher is a liar, which is not surprising seeing as how your entire religion is based on lies. It's about time you woke up to the fact that you've been lied to for decades and you've naively swallowed every word as though it were the truth! Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 16, 5:26 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <xdo2i.6142$RX.3...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, > b...@nonespam.com wrote: > > Your pastor was lying. Check out > >http://charityreports.give.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=626 > > What is the net worth of Planned Parenthood? They are listed as a charity. > Do they money derived from > abortion? They offer COUNSELING. Doctors perform abortions. > You appear to think that Planned Parenthood is a social service > organization that does not make ANY money from the services that they > provide. They are a charity. > They may not money from some of the services they provide such as > counseling but they derive millions of dollars from the abortions. That's a lie. Obviously you believe everything your fellow Christian liars tell you. You don't realize that if you can lie so easily then maybe they can too. > You > claim that I am lying but the truth is that you are trying to mis-lead the > members of various newsgroups by implying that Planned Parenthood does not > make money from any of the services that they provide. You are trying to mislead people by either deliberately LYING or spreading LIES. The fact is that Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organisation. If it were otherwise then it couldn't be listed as a charity. > The truth is that > they make millions of dollars from abortions. Stop lying! > It's my opinion that the end > goal of the free counseling programs are to convince women that abortion > is the best option for them. The reason they do that is because they make > more money from abortions than they would make if women decided to have > their babies. Believe it or not, making money is the primary motivation > for lots of businesses. Let's get real--Planned Parenthood is a business. It's a charity. Repeating your lies don't make them true. > > You appear to get your information from preachers who care less about > > the truth than you do. Your credibility is dropping by the nanosecond. > > > Why don't you find the truth out for yourself instead of being spoonfed > > questionable information by people with an agenda? > > > You are acting like a spiritual zombie, brainlessly marching to the tune > > banged out by some ignoramus with an axe to grind. > > > Believe what you want, agree or disagree with what you want, but at > > least know the facts. Wake up, man! > > You need to wake up and stop believing the words on the Planned Parenthood > website that were probably written by someone that has a degree related to > "public relations". You mean this website? http://www.plannedparenthood.org > The truth is that Planned Parenthood is a business > that makes millions of dollars from abortions. In the "Stated Purpose" > that you posted above, I looked for the word "abortion" and it was not > listed. Wake Up, Man:; Abortion is the number one service that they > provide and it's their "money maker" and most of the other free services > are geared to convince women to have abortions. Planned Parenthood are not the ones lying. You are. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 16, 6:19 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <tm5k439e6hq88t84i1ti99dq77fjiv8...@4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee > > > > > > <c...@optonline.net> wrote: > > On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of > > >> > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more > > >> > likely that women would agree to have abortions. > > > It is typical of the religious loonies that instead of addressing > > issues, they invent non-existent motives "why" people hold the > > positions they do. > > > >> What evidence do you have of their saying that? There is no reason to > > >> discuss this further if you don't have any. > > > >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was > > >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by > > >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out > > >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that > > >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an > > >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women > > >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after > > >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. > > >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over > > >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost > > >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons > > >that they had severe depression related to abortions. > > > Sermons are worthless. Preached by liars with an axe to grind. > > > Apart from this anonymous sermon, where does any of this say that they > > lied because they "knew that it not a "mass of tissue"--even in the > > 1960's"? > > > >> > It's much harder to > > >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > > >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > > >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > > >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > > >> > of their babies. > > > Nobody is "Convincing a pregnant woman to have an abortion", liar. > > Perhaps "helping a pregnant woman to understand that abortion was the best > option for them" would be better way to state it. > > > > > >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law > > >> should be overturned. > > > >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures > > >of their unborn babies. > > > What "unborn babies"? Do you mean the mass of cells that is all that > > gets aborted in the first trimester? > > Abortions are done in all trimester. Partial Birth Abortions were done in > the last trimester until the Supreme Court made Partial Birth Abortions" > illegal. It's still legal to do abortions in the last trimester. I heard a > sermon preached by a young lady that survived a third trimester abortion. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-control-pregnancy/abortion/procedures.htm "Most abortions in the United States - nearly 90 percent - are provided in the first trimester. Fewer than 10 percent take place in the second trimester. But after 24 weeks of pregnancy, abortions are performed only for serious health reasons. Fewer than one-tenth of one percent of abortions happen during this time." Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 16, 6:24 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <lc7k43p1947j5o50k665hvv1dtp4svh...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > > <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > In alt.atheism On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:04:02 -0700, J...@nospam.com > > (Jason) let us all know that: > > > >I heard a lady from Planned Parenthood use that term when when she was > > >telling a high school class in 1975 about all of the services provided by > > >Planned Parenthood. You may want to google "mass of tissue" to find out > > >more information. In reason years, I have heard preachers mention that > > >term in relation to sermons about abortion. One reason that I am an > > >advocate of the Pro-Life is because listening to sermons preached by women > > >that have been the victims of abortion. One woman said that shortly after > > >the abortion, she would hear a baby crying and wake up to tend the baby. > > >After she was fully awake, she said that she would start crying for over > > >an hour because she realized that her baby was dead. This happened almost > > >every night for about one year. Other women have stated in their sermons > > >that they had severe depression related to abortions. > > > So what? > > So What??? You seem to have no sympathy for the women that suffer severe > depression as a direct result of abortions. Don't you care about those > women? You obviously don't. You're the ones making them feel guilty! > > >> > It's much harder to > > >> > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > > >> > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > > >> > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > > >> > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > > >> > of their babies. > > > >> No, it infringes on the woman's right to choose. That's why the law > > >> should be overturned. > > > >They could still CHOOSE to have an abortion after looking at the pictures > > >of their unborn babies. > > > Why should they have to? > > So as to realize that they have a baby--not a mass of tissue--growing > inside their wombs. And yet during the first three months (when 90% of abortions take place) that is all that the baby is. More abortions would take place during the first three months if women were able to get easy access to abortions. It is my personal opinion that women should not choose to have abortions after three months and I would approve of any law that discouraged women from having abortions after three months: it so happens that late term abortiions are already illegal in 36 states. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion ) Here "late term" refers to abortions that take place as early as five months into the pregnancy. (See also http://www.answers.com/topic/late-term-abortion ) Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 16, 8:21 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > <snip> > > Again, he's wrong. He lies. Here are excerpts from Planned Parenthood's > > annual report for 2003-2004, which is the latest I could find. If you > > actually want to learn something, it's at > >http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/annualreport/report-04.pdf > > > A look at page 24 shows that they spent some $35 Million more than they > > took in, which leaves their net assets as of 6/30/04 of $725 Million. > > I did a quick google search and found one report indicated that their > total assets were $52,668,607. That would be the total assets for the National Office (located in New York) and not including any of the affiliates (clinics) across the country. This is clearly spelt out in the report provided at the above link. Martin Quote
Guest Hatter23@gmail.com Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 On May 15, 6:29 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <1179261773.675753.166...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,Hatter > > > > > > > > <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On May 15, 2:47 pm, ayers...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > On May 15, 1:14 pm, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > In article <f24i3n$ee...@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > > > > > <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > > > >>> Thanks, > > > > >>> Here are some statistics that I found. I will let you tell me > whether or > > > > >>> not the murder rate was higher during 1950's compared to the > 1990's and > > > > >>> 2000's. I did not see any 5's or higher in the 1950's but saw > lots of 8s > > > > >>> and 9s in the 1990's and 2000's > > > > >> No-one said the murder rates were NOT lower in the 1950's. But you also > > > > >> haven't shown what the prison population was in the 1950's so those > > > > >> figures don't mean diddly here. You started off talking about what the > > > > >> prison population numbers were in 1990 so you have to use the SAME year > > > > >> for the crime rate numbers. If you want to use crime rate numbers from > > > > >> the 50's the provide the SAME year's prison populations. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Someone else made some good points about statistics related to prison > > > > > populations. Various new laws; mandantory sentence laws; three strikes > > > > > laws; illegal immigrants and various other factors effect prison > > > > > populations. I concentrated on murder in my google search since > MURDER is > > > > > one of those crimes that has always been against the law. > > > > > Jason > > > > > And yet AGAIN, you ignore the point. The point was NOT what crime you > > > > focused on but that you tried weaseling the data by using two different > > > > ranges of years. > > > > Yes the alternative to theory is the truth. THE WORD OF GOD.- Hide > quoted text - > > > Which god? > > Jehovah > > Ok, why should I believe in Jehovahs word over several of the other God-Creators? They also have texts that present theories other than evolution and Jehovahs claims. Hatter Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 In article <1179279863.758784.19430@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 16, 8:21 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Again, he's wrong. He lies. Here are excerpts from Planned Parenthood's > > > annual report for 2003-2004, which is the latest I could find. If you > > > actually want to learn something, it's at > > >http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/annualreport/report-04.pdf > > > > > A look at page 24 shows that they spent some $35 Million more than they > > > took in, which leaves their net assets as of 6/30/04 of $725 Million. > > > > I did a quick google search and found one report indicated that their > > total assets were $52,668,607. > > That would be the total assets for the National Office (located in New > York) and not including any of the affiliates (clinics) across the > country. This is clearly spelt out in the report provided at the > above link. > > Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin, Thanks for the clarification. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 In article <1179277189.984689.158430@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 16, 5:26 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <xdo2i.6142$RX.3...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, > > b...@nonespam.com wrote: > > > > Your pastor was lying. Check out > > >http://charityreports.give.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=626 > > > > What is the net worth of Planned Parenthood? > > They are listed as a charity. > > > Do they money derived from > > abortion? > > They offer COUNSELING. Doctors perform abortions. > > > You appear to think that Planned Parenthood is a social service > > organization that does not make ANY money from the services that they > > provide. > > They are a charity. > > > They may not money from some of the services they provide such as > > counseling but they derive millions of dollars from the abortions. > > That's a lie. Obviously you believe everything your fellow Christian > liars tell you. You don't realize that if you can lie so easily then > maybe they can too. > > > You > > claim that I am lying but the truth is that you are trying to mis-lead the > > members of various newsgroups by implying that Planned Parenthood does not > > make money from any of the services that they provide. > > You are trying to mislead people by either deliberately LYING or > spreading LIES. > > The fact is that Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organisation. If > it were otherwise then it couldn't be listed as a charity. > > > The truth is that > > they make millions of dollars from abortions. > > Stop lying! > > > It's my opinion that the end > > goal of the free counseling programs are to convince women that abortion > > is the best option for them. The reason they do that is because they make > > more money from abortions than they would make if women decided to have > > their babies. Believe it or not, making money is the primary motivation > > for lots of businesses. Let's get real--Planned Parenthood is a business. > > It's a charity. Repeating your lies don't make them true. > > > > You appear to get your information from preachers who care less about > > > the truth than you do. Your credibility is dropping by the nanosecond. > > > > > Why don't you find the truth out for yourself instead of being spoonfed > > > questionable information by people with an agenda? > > > > > You are acting like a spiritual zombie, brainlessly marching to the tune > > > banged out by some ignoramus with an axe to grind. > > > > > Believe what you want, agree or disagree with what you want, but at > > > least know the facts. Wake up, man! > > > > You need to wake up and stop believing the words on the Planned Parenthood > > website that were probably written by someone that has a degree related to > > "public relations". > > You mean this website? http://www.plannedparenthood.org > > > The truth is that Planned Parenthood is a business > > that makes millions of dollars from abortions. In the "Stated Purpose" > > that you posted above, I looked for the word "abortion" and it was not > > listed. Wake Up, Man:; Abortion is the number one service that they > > provide and it's their "money maker" and most of the other free services > > are geared to convince women to have abortions. > > Planned Parenthood are not the ones lying. You are. > > Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin, Be honest: Does Planned Parenthood derive any funds related to abortions? (This includes any money related to referrals to doctors that do the abortions) Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 In article <1179275214.207365.231160@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 16, 3:39 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <Y2b2i.28917$Um6.5...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, > > > > b...@nonespam.com wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > > In article <sp4i43l8p7b1brvuc367o92792me93l...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch > > > > <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:22 -0700, J...@nospam.com > > > >> (Jason) let us all know that: > > > > > >>> In article <ds9nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > >>> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:50:38 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >>>>> In article <ko6nh4-9f4....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > >>>>> <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> [snips] > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:02 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> dislike evolutionists or atheists--I just disagree with them. I don't > > > >>>>>>> dislike the advocates for abortion--I just disagree with them. > > > >>>>>> Advocates for abortion? Hmm, can't say I've ever met such a > > > > person - nor > > > >>>>>> even heard of them until now. Could you perhaps offer a cite, someone > > > >>>>>> actually advocating abortion? No, no, not advocating choice, we know > > > >>>>>> about those, but advocating abortion, as you say above. > > > >>>>> Good point. Be honest. Does Planned Parenthood advocate abortion or do > > > >>>>> they advocate adoption. > > > >>>> Last I heard, neither. Their purpose is not to advocate - at least, not > > > >>>> to the patient - but rather to provide the information and options > > and let > > > >>>> the patient decide. > > > > > >>>>> It's my guess that they advise most of the young > > > >>>>> woman to have an abortion. > > > >>>> Why would you guess that? On what basis do you determine whether they do > > > >>>> this at all, let alone how frequently they do it in comparison to their > > > >>>> total case load? > > > > > >>>>> If so, they are advocates for abortion. They > > > >>>>> make millions of dollars from abortions. > > > >>>> Perhaps, but abortion accounts for a mere 3% of their provided > > > >>>> medical services. If they lost those, they wouldn't be out > > much. Their > > > >>>> clients, on the other hand, might not be so thrilled. > > > > > >>>>> You are correct--the bumper > > > >>>>> stickers always mention choice instead of abortion. I liked the prolife > > > >>>>> bumper sticker that says: "My choice is Life--not abortion" > > > >>>> And I like honesty. To call oneself "pro-life" is to imply that someone > > > >>>> disagreeing is anti-life, which is bullshit. However, the > > pro-lifers have > > > >>>> never been terribly interested in honesty, only in forcing their > > pet views > > > >>>> on others. > > > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >>> There was one state--I don't remember which one--that passed a law that > > > >>> required any woman that wanted an abortion to get a 3D ultrasound of her > > > >>> unborn baby. That pregnant woman would have been required to look at the > > > >>> ultrasound before she could have an abortion. > > > >> Why should she have to? It's her body--her choice. > > > > > > Because in that state--it's the law. > > > > > Some laws are good. Some, such as this one, are not. > > > > > It's my understanding the ACLU is > > > > trying to get the law overturned. > > > > > Do you "understand" this because you don't like the ACLU? Maybe NARAL > > > or another organization is involved. > > > > > Of course, if women wanted to get their > > > > abortions in other states that do not have that same law--they would not > > > > have to look at pictures of their babies. > > > > > Right. This is a good thing. > > > > > Believe it or not, back in the > > > > 1960's (prior to ultrasounds), Planned Parenthood told the women that it > > > > was just a "mass of tissue". They no longer tell that lie. > > > > > They've wised up a bit, changed with the times. Some people and even > > > organizations can do that. > > > > > > Jason > > > > The leaders of Planned Parenthood knew that it not a "mass of > > tissue"--even in the 1960's. They told that LIE so as to make it more > > likely that women would agree to have abortions. It's much harder to > > convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion once they realize that they > > have a living a baby in their womb. That is the reason the ACLU and > > perhaps other organizations such as Planned Parenthood want to have the > > law overturned that requires women seeking abortion to see 3D ultrasounds > > of their babies. They know that once those women see those pictures, they > > will decide NOT to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood derives money from > > abortions so they want as many women as possible to have abortions. That's > > why they want that law related to ultrasounds overturned. Does anyone know > > the net worth of Planned Parenthood. I heard a preacher say that it's over > > 1 billion dollars. > > And preachers never lie, do they? > > Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin, I do not remember how that preacher came up with the billion dollar number. Perhaps he added up all of the money Planned Parenthood has made during the last 30 or more years. That figure would probably be over a billion dollars but am only guessing since I don't have the figures in front of me. I was only telling you what a preacher on television told his audience. jason Quote
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