Guest Robibnikoff Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2305071745370001@66-52-22-33.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <v5vei4-j9a.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:46:26 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> > In article <285di4-ooe.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> [snips] >> >> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2007 19:09:46 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I know where I stand and why - and I stand by it. What do you > do, apart >> >> >> from getting your group together to harass and torment scared, >> >> >> confused >> >> >> women and girls who pose you no threat? >> >> >> >> > I comply with the law. >> >> >> >> Gods, you are such a fucking coward. No balls at all. >> >> >> >> Man up and stand up for what you believe, stop hiding behind Mommy's >> >> skirt. >> > >> > What actions should pro-life protesters take to stop abortions? >> >> You could, as but one example, storm in when a procedure is to be >> performed >> and stand between doctor and patient, effectively blocking the procedure >> entirely; if the doc can't get to the patient, the procedure doesn't >> happen. >> >> I'm sure you can come up with many more. Funny thing, though; if you did >> that, you'd risk anything up to and including being arrested... but you >> would also stop a procedure which would otherwise have happened. >> >> Oh, but wait... you could get arrested . Nope, can't have that. Too >> risky. Much safer to sit on the sidelines, in a group, harassing those >> very people who are in no position to defend themselves against you. >> >> You know what they call someone who gangs up and picks on weaker victims, >> right? I believe the term is "bully". Or, as I like to put, it, >> "ball-less coward with no guts at all." > > I've already helped to prevent an unborn baby from being aborted. I done > it legally. The young unwed pregnant woman spent about 4 months in a home > for unwed mothers with about 12 other unwed mothers. So, obviously, she'd already made up her mind to have the baby and relinquish it for adoption. All you did was foot the bill. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <46554311.34BC@armory.com>, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > > In article <v5vei4-j9a.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:46:26 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > In article <285di4-ooe.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> [snips] > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 22 May 2007 19:09:46 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >> I know where I stand and why - and I stand by it. What do you > > do, apart > > > >> >> from getting your group together to harass and torment scared, confused > > > >> >> women and girls who pose you no threat? > > > >> > > > >> > I comply with the law. > > > >> > > > >> Gods, you are such a fucking coward. No balls at all. > > > >> > > > >> Man up and stand up for what you believe, stop hiding behind Mommy's skirt. > > > > > > > > What actions should pro-life protesters take to stop abortions? > > > > > > You could, as but one example, storm in when a procedure is to be performed > > > and stand between doctor and patient, effectively blocking the procedure > > > entirely; if the doc can't get to the patient, the procedure doesn't > > > happen. > > > > > > I'm sure you can come up with many more. Funny thing, though; if you did > > > that, you'd risk anything up to and including being arrested... but you > > > would also stop a procedure which would otherwise have happened. > > > > > > Oh, but wait... you could get arrested . Nope, can't have that. Too > > > risky. Much safer to sit on the sidelines, in a group, harassing those > > > very people who are in no position to defend themselves against you. > > > > > > You know what they call someone who gangs up and picks on weaker victims, > > > right? I believe the term is "bully". Or, as I like to put, it, > > > "ball-less coward with no guts at all." > > > > I've already helped to prevent an unborn baby from being aborted. I done > > it legally. The young unwed pregnant woman spent about 4 months in a home > > for unwed mothers with about 12 other unwed mothers. I paid all of her > > expenses. After her baby was born, it was placed for adoption. It's > > possible to comply with the law while preventing an abortion. I never even > > met that young lady. I try not to violate laws. I have never spent any > > time in jail and don't plan to ever spend a day in jail or even to get > > arrested. I've only protested against abortion for thirty minutes. During > > that 30 minutes, I never talked to any of the women that walked into or > > out of that abortion doctor's office. In addition, none of the other > > pro-life protesters talked to any of the women. Most of those protesters > > were women. > > Jason > ----------------- > Fetuses are NOT persons. Nobody recalls ever having been their fetus. > This means that there was no conscious being at that time, just a live > animal body, nothing more. We can kill them for convenience, just like > we kill dumb animals. > Steve We look at this issue in a very different way. We are not on the same page. It's my opinion that every human fetus is an unborn human baby and is a potential human baby. A pregnant woman was murdered in California. A man was arrested and was charged with the murder of that pregnant woman and was also charged with the murder of her fetus. The members of the California Supreme Court had to decide on whether or not that man was guilty of one murder or was guilty of two murders. They ruled that he was guilty of two murders. Do you believe they would have made that decision if they considered the fetus to be "just a live animal body, nothing more"? Jason Quote
Guest James Brock Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1180007347.106448.245440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On May 24, 4:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > All Christians do not interpret the scriptures the same way. > > I think you meant "Christians do not all interpret the scriptures the > same way". What you wrote would mean "All Christians interpret the > scriptures differently" and, if that were true, then the scriptures > would have to be completely meaningless. > Right that's why there are thousands of christian religions. Each of them hating all the others. Why don't we just stand back and let them kill off each other? James > > Martin > Quote
Guest James Brock Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1179882647.834143.322730@x18g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > On May 22, 2:06 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > I advise you and everyone else not to reply to posts from > > people that have mental problems or use derogatory language. > > Derogatory language is one thing but mental problems should just be > treated with care. God delusions, for example, have been treated and > overcome in the past. > The Soviet Union had psychiatric hospitals to treat all kinds of mental order including the god delusion and other kinds of criminal insanity. America needs the same kinds of treatment centers. > > Martin > Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <1180007347.106448.245440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 24, 4:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > All Christians do not interpret the scriptures the same way. > > I think you meant "Christians do not all interpret the scriptures the > same way". What you wrote would mean "All Christians interpret the > scriptures differently" and, if that were true, then the scriptures > would have to be completely meaningless. > > Martin You are correct--I meant: Christians do not interpret the scriptures the same way. Quote
Guest James Brock Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 There is a alternative to the theory of evolution. It's called cretinism - delete - Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <1180012498.136303.88790@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 22 Maj, 01:37, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1179785136.869672.43...@y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 21 Maj, 21:29, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <mp68i4-ooe....@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > > > > > <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > [snips] > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > Have you seen any news reports about environmentalists that stand= > in the > > > > > > roads to block huge trucks that are carrying logs? They carry pro= > test > > > > > > signs. > > > > > > > > Do you think that those people--even the ones standing next to the > > > > > > road--should be arrested? > > > > > > > If they're trespassing, certainly. If they interfere with legitima= > te > > > > > business, I might agree with their ideals, but yes, they are breaki= > ng the > > > > > law. > > > > > > > What they are not doing is harassing innocent individuals who are > > > > > probably already terrified and confused. > > > > > > > It takes a really strong conviction to stand together, as a group, > > > > > and torment a single woman or a couple, who are probably already sc= > ared, > > > > > worried and possibly confused. > > > > > > > As another poster said, they're not out in front of recruitment off= > ices > > > > > and the like, despite those being places where people in essence si= > gn up > > > > > to take lives. Wonder why that is? Oh, right, because that would = > involve > > > > > actually having the guts to stand up for what you believe in when t= > here's > > > > > someone who might, just possibly, be in a position to push back. > > > > > > > A conviction of convenience is not a conviction at all. > > > > > > > Oh, and for the record... I have been in situations such as that. > > > > > Facing down cops. Facing down baseball bats and two by fours. Fac= > ing > > > > > down people trying to push through or run us down with their cars a= > nd > > > > > vans. And here's the real chuckle... I was doing that for people I= > had no > > > > > personal involvement with, nothing to gain from it but simple self > > respect. > > > > > > > You may not agree with what I was fighting for or why, but that's n= > ot the > > > > > point; the point is that when push comes to shove, I put my convict= > ions to > > > > > the test and stood up for them in the faces of imminent personal ha= > rm. > > > > > Your side? They only do it when the worst they risk is a splinter = > from > > > > > the post of the sign they carry. > > > > > > We are trying to give unwanted unborn babies the right to life. In my > > > > opinion, that is just as important as any other issue and even more > > > > important than protecting the rights of trees or protecting the lives= > of > > > > test animals. Most pro-life protestors follow the laws in terms of wh= > ere > > > > they carry their signs. We do that for a reason: We are trying to cha= > nge > > > > to get people to join our cause. We know that if we harrassed people = > going > > > > into abortion clinics that it would hurt our cause and people would n= > ot > > > > want to join our cause. In this case, peaceful protests are very > > > > effective.- > > > > > In that case you should have no problem with the protesters who > > > harrassed being arrested. It is odd though that the pro-life people > > > did not discover how bad the harrassment was until after the arrests > > > and after the arrests were held up in court, but that was probably > > > just a coincidence. > > > > I agree that pro-life protesters that violate the law should be arrested. > > In this case, I don't know the details so will not comment. In the protest > > that I was involved in--we did not harrass anyone. It was actually very > > boring. Carrying a sign back and forth for several hours is very boring. I > > only stayed for about 30 minutes. I was not a member of that pro-life > > group.- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > In other words all of your questions about other kinds of protests > were meaningless. That was obvious from the beginning. Protests would have to be considered on a case by case basis. Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <5bllitF2tgv40U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2305071745370001@66-52-22-33.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <v5vei4-j9a.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:46:26 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > >> > In article <285di4-ooe.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> [snips] > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2007 19:09:46 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> I know where I stand and why - and I stand by it. What do you > > do, apart > >> >> >> from getting your group together to harass and torment scared, > >> >> >> confused > >> >> >> women and girls who pose you no threat? > >> >> > >> >> > I comply with the law. > >> >> > >> >> Gods, you are such a fucking coward. No balls at all. > >> >> > >> >> Man up and stand up for what you believe, stop hiding behind Mommy's > >> >> skirt. > >> > > >> > What actions should pro-life protesters take to stop abortions? > >> > >> You could, as but one example, storm in when a procedure is to be > >> performed > >> and stand between doctor and patient, effectively blocking the procedure > >> entirely; if the doc can't get to the patient, the procedure doesn't > >> happen. > >> > >> I'm sure you can come up with many more. Funny thing, though; if you did > >> that, you'd risk anything up to and including being arrested... but you > >> would also stop a procedure which would otherwise have happened. > >> > >> Oh, but wait... you could get arrested . Nope, can't have that. Too > >> risky. Much safer to sit on the sidelines, in a group, harassing those > >> very people who are in no position to defend themselves against you. > >> > >> You know what they call someone who gangs up and picks on weaker victims, > >> right? I believe the term is "bully". Or, as I like to put, it, > >> "ball-less coward with no guts at all." > > > > I've already helped to prevent an unborn baby from being aborted. I done > > it legally. The young unwed pregnant woman spent about 4 months in a home > > for unwed mothers with about 12 other unwed mothers. > > So, obviously, she'd already made up her mind to have the baby and > relinquish it for adoption. All you did was foot the bill. Yes, but it's also possible that the young lady would have had an abortion if I had not been there to foot the bill. That ministry has saved the lives of hundreds of babies over the years. I see your point--perhaps she would have had the baby--perhaps in her parent's home--even if I had not foot the bill. There is no way for me to know---I never met that young mother. Jason Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <1180013037.107736.300650@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, gudloos@yahoo.com wrote: > On 22 Maj, 01:47, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > In article <1179786160.386482.77...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On 22 Maj, 01:02, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > In article <1179782094.943998.202...@x18g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > gudl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On 21 Maj, 10:12, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > In article <1179723712.782708.91...@36g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, Mar= > > > tin > > snip > > > > > > You are probably correct. However, most women have first trimester > > > > > > abortions and they would probably talk them into having abortions. As= > > > you > > > > > > pointed out, Planned Parenthood makes money off of abortions. > > > > > > Jason- Skjul tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=3DF8rselstegn - > > > > > > > As many have pointed out you have no evidence that planned parenthood > > > > > tries to talk anybody into having abortions. Yet you continue to lie > > > > > about them. Why do you do that? > > > > > > Do they tell women that are seeking abortions that they should not have > > > > abortions but instead should have their babies and put them up for > > > > adoption? > > > > > They do not tell women what to do. They are not like you. > > > > > > It's my understanding that abortions are one of the services available at > > > > Planned Parenthood Office. Of course, some Planned Parenthood Offices > > > > refer patients for abortions.- > > > > > Yes, and your point is? > > > > - Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn - > > > > Several days ago, I posted some comments from abortion clinic workers. The > > comments were from people (including doctors) that worked in abortion > > clinics. One of the counselors stated that she advised any pregnant woman > > that came into the clinic to have an abortion. The reason was because they > > made money from every abortion that was performed. I realize that an > > abortion clinic is different from a Planned Parenthood Office. Does > > Planned Parenthood derive any funds related to abortion services? > > As you have been told many times by now, Planned Parenthood is not a > business but a non-profit organisation. They receive money for > services related to many things; abortion is one of them. They do not > make money (earn a profit) on any of them. You know this, or you > certainly should know this by now. If they were earning a profit, one > of their many enemies would surely attempt to have their non-profit > status taken away; that has not happened. Yes, I have been told that Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization. Quote
Guest James Brock Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2405070908030001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <iBh5i.697$YM5.565@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, "James Brock" > <jimbk@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1180007347.106448.245440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > On May 24, 4:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > All Christians do not interpret the scriptures the same way. > > > > > > I think you meant "Christians do not all interpret the scriptures the > > > same way". What you wrote would mean "All Christians interpret the > > > scriptures differently" and, if that were true, then the scriptures > > > would have to be completely meaningless. > > > > > Right that's why there are thousands of christian religions. Each > > of them hating all the others. Why don't we just stand back and > > let them kill off each other? > > > > James > > > > > > Martin > > > > > I don't hate Christians that diagree with me. I once worked with someone > that was a Mormon. We had lots of interesting discussions about the > interpretations of various scriptures and doctrines. We did not hate each > other. > Right, why should I believe you? > Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <iBh5i.697$YM5.565@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, "James Brock" <jimbk@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1180007347.106448.245440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > On May 24, 4:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > All Christians do not interpret the scriptures the same way. > > > > I think you meant "Christians do not all interpret the scriptures the > > same way". What you wrote would mean "All Christians interpret the > > scriptures differently" and, if that were true, then the scriptures > > would have to be completely meaningless. > > > Right that's why there are thousands of christian religions. Each > of them hating all the others. Why don't we just stand back and > let them kill off each other? > > James > > > > Martin > > I don't hate Christians that diagree with me. I once worked with someone that was a Mormon. We had lots of interesting discussions about the interpretations of various scriptures and doctrines. We did not hate each other. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote\ > In article <5bllitF2tgv40U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message snip >> > I've already helped to prevent an unborn baby from being aborted. I >> > done >> > it legally. The young unwed pregnant woman spent about 4 months in a >> > home >> > for unwed mothers with about 12 other unwed mothers. >> >> So, obviously, she'd already made up her mind to have the baby and >> relinquish it for adoption. All you did was foot the bill. > > Yes, but it's also possible that the young lady would have had an abortion > if I had not been there to foot the bill. But you don't know that. BTW, how much did it cost you? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest John Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 On May 8, 3:38 am, Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> >> "proven". Common Descent is as well supported a grand fact as exists > >> >> >> in science. Really says who. Who is this person that established that Common Descent is a fact, published where? Quote
Guest John Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 On May 8, 6:01 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Evolution is about diversification: the very > fact that there are different races of man and different breeds of dog > point to evolution in action No you are restating your observation that there are men and dogs and aquivocating it with the word "Evolution" > neanderthals appear to be a race of humans that just naturally > disappeared would seem to overwhelming support evolution! No, neanderthals disapearing is an event and until you define 'evolution' for me in this context you are not even wrong. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 [snips] On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:07:03 -0700, Jason wrote: > I don't know what the members of other churches do--but we don't shame > them. We treat them the same way we treat everyone else. We treat them > with respect. You do? Let's see... You keep using "baby" where "fetus" is the appropriate term, which means you actually - and intentionally - feed into the "abortion is murder" hysteria which makes the situation so hellish for a woman in the position of making a choice, and you also, as a result, feed into the mentality that causes picketing and harassment and the rest. Oh, yes, well, that's okay, as long as you don't do it, right? By the same reasoning, it is okay to sell guns to terrorists, as long as you don't actually shoot anybody. And you wonder why people might react just a little negatively towards you. -- I'll be satisfied when Jesus comes again and takes me away - Tenna Draper So will we all. - Steve Rose Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <0Fi5i.11070$923.10836@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "James Brock" <jimbk@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2405070908030001@66-52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > > In article <iBh5i.697$YM5.565@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, "James Brock" > > <jimbk@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:1180007347.106448.245440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > On May 24, 4:33 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > All Christians do not interpret the scriptures the same way. > > > > > > > > I think you meant "Christians do not all interpret the scriptures the > > > > same way". What you wrote would mean "All Christians interpret the > > > > scriptures differently" and, if that were true, then the scriptures > > > > would have to be completely meaningless. > > > > > > > Right that's why there are thousands of christian religions. Each > > > of them hating all the others. Why don't we just stand back and > > > let them kill off each other? > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > I don't hate Christians that diagree with me. I once worked with someone > > that was a Mormon. We had lots of interesting discussions about the > > interpretations of various scriptures and doctrines. We did not hate each > > other. > > > Right, why should I believe you? > > If you choose to believe that I have a deep hate for all Christians except for the Christians that attend my church, that it your choice. I don't have the energy needed to hate anyone. Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <5blrl4F2tgqqhU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote\ > > In article <5bllitF2tgv40U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > > snip > >> > I've already helped to prevent an unborn baby from being aborted. I > >> > done > >> > it legally. The young unwed pregnant woman spent about 4 months in a > >> > home > >> > for unwed mothers with about 12 other unwed mothers. > >> > >> So, obviously, she'd already made up her mind to have the baby and > >> relinquish it for adoption. All you did was foot the bill. > > > > Yes, but it's also possible that the young lady would have had an abortion > > if I had not been there to foot the bill. > > But you don't know that. BTW, how much did it cost you? It was several years ago, I don't remember. Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <Xns9938C169CAC99freddybear@66.150.105.47>, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote: > Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1179557065.234911.197640@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > > > On May 19, 3:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > >> That is true. In the real world, people can answer questions with a > >> question. Even schools have changed. I found out that they are now > >> showing Al Gore's movie in grade schools. One of those students came > >> home from school and was crying. She said that the planet would be > >> destroyed by the time she was an adult and was worried that she would > >> not be able to have a normal life. This real world is a crazy world. > >> We were worried about Russia firing nuclear missiles at America when > >> I was a child. > > > > I was in grade school thirty years ago and we were taught back then to > > care about the environment. Obviously your generation wasn't. > > > > I was in high school thirty years ago, and I was taught about the > scientific method. Obviously your generation wasn't. > > -- > Fred Stone > aa# 1369 > "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic > organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its > enemies." Do you really believe that they did not teach the scientific method to high school and college biology students during the 1960's? Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 On Thu, 24 May 2007 14:39:52 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article <fg7hi4-j9a.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:07:03 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> > I don't know what the members of other churches do--but we don't shame >> > them. We treat them the same way we treat everyone else. We treat them >> > with respect. >> >> You do? Let's see... >> >> You keep using "baby" where "fetus" is the appropriate term, which means >> you actually - and intentionally - feed into the "abortion is murder" >> hysteria which makes the situation so hellish for a woman in the position >> of making a choice, and you also, as a result, feed into the mentality >> that causes picketing and harassment and the rest. >> >> Oh, yes, well, that's okay, as long as you don't do it, right? By the >> same reasoning, it is okay to sell guns to terrorists, as long as you >> don't actually shoot anybody. >> >> And you wonder why people might react just a little negatively towards >> you. > > Please answer this question: Have you seen a 3D color ultrasound of a > third trimester fetus? Color? No. 3D? No. Still, even a generic B&W 2D one is quite sufficient to show a fair bit of detail. > If so, you would know that there are not very > many differeces between a third trimester fetus and a baby. Or a chimp fetus. Aha! Chimp fetuses are human babies! Yes, a truly stunning argument. > A California > Supreme Court made a ruling in at least one case, that a man that > murdered a pregnant woman was guilty of two murders--the mother and her > fetus. Are you also upset with those judges? Since you haven't presented the case law or discussion, we have nothing to examine to determine what their actual ruling was, why it was made, the reasoning leading up to it, etc. Only a complete idiot would draw a significant conclusion on a nearly complete lack of evidence. Oh, wait, isn't that what you did in this instance? Be ashamed; you should know better. -- The nuclear family has been decaying for decades. -- Matt Giwer Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 In article <fg7hi4-j9a.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > [snips] > > On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:07:03 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > I don't know what the members of other churches do--but we don't shame > > them. We treat them the same way we treat everyone else. We treat them > > with respect. > > You do? Let's see... > > You keep using "baby" where "fetus" is the appropriate term, which means > you actually - and intentionally - feed into the "abortion is murder" > hysteria which makes the situation so hellish for a woman in the position > of making a choice, and you also, as a result, feed into the mentality > that causes picketing and harassment and the rest. > > Oh, yes, well, that's okay, as long as you don't do it, right? By the > same reasoning, it is okay to sell guns to terrorists, as long as you > don't actually shoot anybody. > > And you wonder why people might react just a little negatively towards > you. Please answer this question: Have you seen a 3D color ultrasound of a third trimester fetus? If so, you would know that there are not very many differeces between a third trimester fetus and a baby. A California Supreme Court made a ruling in at least one case, that a man that murdered a pregnant woman was guilty of two murders--the mother and her fetus. Are you also upset with those judges? Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 On May 23, 6:07 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote: > Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1179557065.234911.197640@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > > > On May 19, 3:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > >> That is true. In the real world, people can answer questions with a > >> question. Even schools have changed. I found out that they are now > >> showing Al Gore's movie in grade schools. One of those students came > >> home from school and was crying. She said that the planet would be > >> destroyed by the time she was an adult and was worried that she would > >> not be able to have a normal life. This real world is a crazy world. > >> We were worried about Russia firing nuclear missiles at America when > >> I was a child. > > > I was in grade school thirty years ago and we were taught back then to > > care about the environment. Obviously your generation wasn't. > > I was in high school thirty years ago, and I was taught about the > scientific method. Obviously your generation wasn't. The Earth is getting warmer. It's been slowly getting warmer since the end of the last ice age. It's an alarming trend and the question is whether or not there is anything we can do to slow it down. Martin Quote
Guest Martin Phipps Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 On May 25, 1:15 am, John <sawireless2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 8, 6:01 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Evolution is about diversification: the very > > fact that there are different races of man and different breeds of dog > > point to evolution in action > > No you are restating your observation that there are men and dogs and > aquivocating it with the word "Evolution" > > > neanderthals appear to be a race of humans that just naturally > > disappeared would seem to overwhelming support evolution! > > No, neanderthals disapearing is an event and until you define > 'evolution' for me in this context you are not even wrong. Natural selection is commonly described as "survival of the fittest". The neanderthals obviously weren't fit. Martin Quote
Guest Fred Stone Posted May 25, 2007 Posted May 25, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-2405071323220001@66-52-22-112.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net: > In article <Xns9938C169CAC99freddybear@66.150.105.47>, Fred Stone > <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote: > >> Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:1179557065.234911.197640@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: >> >> > On May 19, 3:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> > >> >> That is true. In the real world, people can answer questions with >> >> a question. Even schools have changed. I found out that they are >> >> now showing Al Gore's movie in grade schools. One of those >> >> students came home from school and was crying. She said that the >> >> planet would be destroyed by the time she was an adult and was >> >> worried that she would not be able to have a normal life. This >> >> real world is a crazy world. We were worried about Russia firing >> >> nuclear missiles at America when I was a child. >> > >> > I was in grade school thirty years ago and we were taught back then >> > to care about the environment. Obviously your generation wasn't. >> > >> >> I was in high school thirty years ago, and I was taught about the >> scientific method. Obviously your generation wasn't. >> > > Do you really believe that they did not teach the scientific method to > high school and college biology students during the 1960's? > When I hear people argue against the Theory of Natural Selection or for the Anthropogenic Global Warming Hypothesis I wonder. -- Fred Stone aa# 1369 "Every day, we buy -0.000005 Celsius degrees (of Global Warming reduction) for one half of the LHC collider." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 25, 2007 Posted May 25, 2007 In article <1180048496.345636.295580@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 23, 6:07 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote: > > Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1179557065.234911.197640@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > > > > > On May 19, 3:49 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> That is true. In the real world, people can answer questions with a > > >> question. Even schools have changed. I found out that they are now > > >> showing Al Gore's movie in grade schools. One of those students came > > >> home from school and was crying. She said that the planet would be > > >> destroyed by the time she was an adult and was worried that she would > > >> not be able to have a normal life. This real world is a crazy world. > > >> We were worried about Russia firing nuclear missiles at America when > > >> I was a child. > > > > > I was in grade school thirty years ago and we were taught back then to > > > care about the environment. Obviously your generation wasn't. > > > > I was in high school thirty years ago, and I was taught about the > > scientific method. Obviously your generation wasn't. > > The Earth is getting warmer. It's been slowly getting warmer since > the end of the last ice age. It's an alarming trend and the question > is whether or not there is anything we can do to slow it down. > > Martin Martin, If it's a natural cycle, there is nothing that we can do to slow it down. Jason Quote
Guest James Brock Posted May 25, 2007 Posted May 25, 2007 "Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1180048729.998197.167150@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On May 25, 1:15 am, John <sawireless2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 8, 6:01 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Evolution is about diversification: the very > > > fact that there are different races of man and different breeds of dog > > > point to evolution in action > > > > No you are restating your observation that there are men and dogs and > > aquivocating it with the word "Evolution" > > > > > neanderthals appear to be a race of humans that just naturally > > > disappeared would seem to overwhelming support evolution! > > > > No, neanderthals disapearing is an event and until you define > > 'evolution' for me in this context you are not even wrong. > > Natural selection is commonly described as "survival of the fittest". > The neanderthals obviously weren't fit. > The neanderthals survived for at least 200,000 years. Homo Sapiens have been around at most 50,000 years. Just wait around another 150,000 years and see if you can make the same claim. ; ) > > Martin > Quote
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