Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <f1si07$324$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Anna R., D.Min. wrote: >>> Yes God in His awesome power and authority crafted the Universe. There >>> is the alternative to the Theory of Evolution. >>> >> Oh, boy, this gets boring. >> >> Ok, if you are correct, then prove it. Scientifically, show evidence of it. >> >> And "It looks like" is NEVER evidence. >> >> You want play in the field of science, play by the rules. >> >> Otherwise it is not science. >> >> Tokay > > Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of > evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. > I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin > believed that God got the process going by creating life. > > Ehm, done? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment Amino acids from the compounds. Next step: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_W._Fox Your turn. I doubt that you will now become an advocate of evolution. Not impossible, but I would be (pleasantly) surprised. Tokay P.S.: Oh, please don't insult me be attacking wikipedia. You are free to check other sources on Miller-Urey and on the works of Sidney Fox. -- If you take life too seriously you won't get to laugh along with everybody else when you fail. Quote
Guest Mike Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Ok, I call "Loki" on this one. Jason wrote: > snip > > >> So you can't pin it down within a factor of a thousand. Not exactly >> impressive. > > You are correct. I admit that I cannot impress you by telling you how many > years ago that God created all life forms. When I get to heaven, I will > ask one of the angels all of my questions. You indated that the earth is > exactly 4.5 billion years old. I checked a reference book and it states > "The earth was formed at the same time as the sun, about 4.6 billion years > ago". Source: The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy" Which date is most > accurate? It appears that even evolutionists can not agree on the date > that the earth and sun were formed. > That's not impressive. > > snip > >>>> The Earth is 4.5 b illion years old. "Gap theory" is hand waving. > > snip > > >>>> What are "lower" animals? >>> I was referring to most mammals. I sometimes write or say animals when I >>> should say mammals >> Why only mammals and still what are "lower"? > > good point--I consider all life forms to be lower than humans. Humans are > at the top of the food chain. > > snip > > >>>>>> There are millions of species around today, not just humans. We have >>>>>> evidence for the common descent of all life, not simply of humans and >>>>>> chimps. We have lots of bones of ancestors of humans. What exactly are >>>>>> we missing that we would expect to find? >>> The bones of the so called common ancestor of man and chimps >> And why would we expect to find that? Fossilization is rare, even more >> rare for land animals, even more rare for savannah animals. Have you >> looked at the fossils that we do have? > > I have seen fossils in museums. I have read a book related to fossils. The > title was "Evolution: The Fossils Say No" > > snip > > > >>> If Andre was hired to play the role of a Neanderthal in a movie--a make up >>> artist could easily make Andre look identical to a picture of a >>> Neanderthal. >> Which means nothing even if it were true. And it is not, Andre had a >> known problem which did not make his bones look like a Neanderthal's >> bones. >> >>> I guess that this is another case of perception. I could look >>> at Andre and see a man that looks like a Neanderthal. On the other hand, >>> you could look at Andre and see a man that does NOT look like a >>> Neanderthal. >> Have you actually looked at Neanderthal bones? Do you see yourself as >> an expert comparing bones? Because there are people who do that >> professionally and they can easily distinguish Neanderthal bones from >> modern human. > > No, I am NOT and expert related to comparing bones. I know a lot about > Neanderthals because I wrote a college report on Neanderthals. I have > never seen any Neanderthal bones unless they were in that museum that I > once visited. I have seen several artistic drawings of what a Neanderthal > probably looked like. > >>> In regard to rickets--I seem to recall that I stated "rickets >>> or some other type of bone disease or genetic problem". >> And they were wrong . It was a desperate desire to make the evidence >> go away. An actual doctor can diagnose rickets from looking at the >> bones, they can diagnose lots of bone diseases that way. And the >> people who are experts in this do not think that Neanderthal bones >> look like diseased human bones. (Amazingly enough we have Neanderthal >> remains from very young to old, funny that they all have the same >> disease.) > > There are some genetic problems that run in families and in races of > people. For example, Sickle Cell anema predominatly affects people of > African descent. Perhaps the Neanderthals were a race of humans that had > unique features. You probably have read about African pygmies--they are > under 5 feet tall. Do you believe that if I had some bones from an African > pygmy child and I took those bones to a scientist or doctor that he would > be able to tell me that those bones were from an African pygmy child or > just that they were the bones from an African child. Do you see my point? > > Quote
Guest Mike Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > Do you believe that if I had some bones from an African > pygmy child and I took those bones to a scientist or doctor that he would > be able to tell me that those bones were from an African pygmy child or > just that they were the bones from an African child. Do you see my point? > > Yes, he would be able to tell the difference. There are distinct differences between adult bones and juvenile bones (such as the head of a baby is a lot larger in proportion to its body size than an adult's is, etc.) Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <1178712817.212134.22560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On May 9, 1:32 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > Don, > > It was actually a warning. > > Jason, > And I'm warning you: one day you may come to realize that your > religion is all complete bunk and you'll never get back the life you > wasted believing in it. You only have one life, Jason, the here and > now, and you don't want to waste it believing in a fairy tale. > > Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin, It has actually helped me stay out of prison and jail. When I was about 30 years old, I could not find a job and was running out of money. I had a gun so knew that it would be easy to rob a store or rob people. The reason I did not do that was because I knew that God was watching me and would have been disappointed with me if I disobeyed one of his commandments. Over the past 10 years, I have read newspaper stories about young people that were arrested for violating various laws such as robbing people, stores or banks. It's my guess that those young people are not Christians that care more about themselves than pleasing God. The jails and prisons are filled with people that did not have a concern for pleasing God. jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <1178712248.723752.207090@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Martin <phippsmartin@hotmail.com> wrote: > On May 9, 11:03 am, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > It's not a threat. The Bible clearly states that after we die, we will all > > stand before the judgement seat of God. I'm looking forward to it. > > Unfortunately when you die everything will end and you won't even have > the satisfaction of finally realizing that your faith was based on a > lie. > > Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin, If I really believed there was no God, I would commit suicide if my doctor told me that I had cancer and needed to have chemo. and radiation for three or more months. Perhaps the increase in atheism is correlated to the rapid increase in the suicide rate. jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <f1si07$324$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Anna R., D.Min. wrote: > > Yes God in His awesome power and authority crafted the Universe. There > > is the alternative to the Theory of Evolution. > > > > Oh, boy, this gets boring. > > Ok, if you are correct, then prove it. Scientifically, show evidence of it. > > And "It looks like" is NEVER evidence. > > You want play in the field of science, play by the rules. > > Otherwise it is not science. > > Tokay Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin believed that God got the process going by creating life. Quote
Guest Hollis Brown Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On May 9, 1:30 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article <922443lfvcimc2s7g1s46943dan9rre...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein > > > > > > <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:33:20 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com > > (Jason) in > > <Jason-0905071133210...@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > > > [snip] > > > >Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of > > >evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. > > >I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin > > >believed that God got the process going by creating life. > > > Not from nothing, but amino acids do spontaneously form under the > > conditions of the early Earth. This was demonstrated decades ago. Care > > to move those goalposts? > > Yes, let's move that goalpost. Take those amino acids and check them once > a year for the next thousand years and see if any living cells evolve from > those amino acids. Construct a man of clay and check him once a year for the next thousand years and see if any gods have breathed life into him. HB Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On Wed, 09 May 2007 12:30:46 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com (Jason) in <Jason-0905071230460001@66-52-22-100.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >In article <922443lfvcimc2s7g1s46943dan9rrebip@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein ><RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:33:20 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com >> (Jason) in >> <Jason-0905071133210001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of >> >evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. >> >I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin >> >believed that God got the process going by creating life. >> >> Not from nothing, but amino acids do spontaneously form under the >> conditions of the early Earth. This was demonstrated decades ago. Care >> to move those goalposts? > >Yes, let's move that goalpost. Take those amino acids and check them once >a year for the next thousand years and see if any living cells evolve from >those amino acids. > Ok, so now you think it should take thousands of years for life to form. So it is not a surprise that we have not seen it happen in the last 50. So what is your problem? You asked for amino acids to form, we have seen that. You think life forming would take a very long time, we haven't had that much time to look. So what is it that you would expect to see that we have not seen? What is the scientific problem here? -- Matt Silberstein Do something today about the Darfur Genocide http://www.beawitness.org http://www.darfurgenocide.org http://www.savedarfur.org "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop" Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <f1t1ql$c74$03$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <f1si07$324$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > >> Anna R., D.Min. wrote: > >>> Yes God in His awesome power and authority crafted the Universe. There > >>> is the alternative to the Theory of Evolution. > >>> > >> Oh, boy, this gets boring. > >> > >> Ok, if you are correct, then prove it. Scientifically, show evidence of it. > >> > >> And "It looks like" is NEVER evidence. > >> > >> You want play in the field of science, play by the rules. > >> > >> Otherwise it is not science. > >> > >> Tokay > > > > Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of > > evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. > > I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin > > believed that God got the process going by creating life. > > > > > > Ehm, done? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment > > Amino acids from the compounds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What were the compounds and how did those compounds came to be? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Next step: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_W._Fox > > > Your turn. I doubt that you will now become an advocate of evolution. > Not impossible, but I would be (pleasantly) surprised. > > Tokay > > > P.S.: Oh, please don't insult me be attacking wikipedia. You are free to > check other sources on Miller-Urey and on the works of Sidney Fox. Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On 9 May 2007 12:16:02 -0700, in alt.atheism , Hollis Brown <AT_Tappman@hotmail.com> in <1178738162.515938.201080@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote: >On May 9, 1:30 pm, J...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> In article <922443lfvcimc2s7g1s46943dan9rre...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein >> >> >> >> >> >> <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:33:20 -0700, in alt.atheism , J...@nospam.com >> > (Jason) in >> > <Jason-0905071133210...@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >> >> > [snip] >> >> > >Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of >> > >evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. >> > >I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin >> > >believed that God got the process going by creating life. >> >> > Not from nothing, but amino acids do spontaneously form under the >> > conditions of the early Earth. This was demonstrated decades ago. Care >> > to move those goalposts? >> >> Yes, let's move that goalpost. Take those amino acids and check them once >> a year for the next thousand years and see if any living cells evolve from >> those amino acids. > > >Construct a man of clay and check him once a year for the next >thousand years and see if any gods have breathed life into him. Not quite an appropriate analogy. The breath of God only takes moment, so we don't need to wait a thousand years. But, unfortunately, we don't know when g(G)od(s) might want to do it, so waiting still won't help. -- Matt Silberstein Do something today about the Darfur Genocide http://www.beawitness.org http://www.darfurgenocide.org http://www.savedarfur.org "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop" Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On Wed, 09 May 2007 12:28:07 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com (Jason) in <Jason-0905071228070001@66-52-22-100.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >In article <f1t1ql$c74$03$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <f1si07$324$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Anna R., D.Min. wrote: >> >>> Yes God in His awesome power and authority crafted the Universe. There >> >>> is the alternative to the Theory of Evolution. >> >>> >> >> Oh, boy, this gets boring. >> >> >> >> Ok, if you are correct, then prove it. Scientifically, show evidence of it. >> >> >> >> And "It looks like" is NEVER evidence. >> >> >> >> You want play in the field of science, play by the rules. >> >> >> >> Otherwise it is not science. >> >> >> >> Tokay >> > >> > Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of >> > evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. >> > I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin >> > believed that God got the process going by creating life. >> > >> > >> >> Ehm, done? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment >> >> Amino acids from the compounds. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >What were the compounds and how did those compounds came to be? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What about the experiment confused you? >> >> >> Next step: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_W._Fox >> >> >> Your turn. I doubt that you will now become an advocate of evolution. >> Not impossible, but I would be (pleasantly) surprised. >> >> Tokay >> >> >> P.S.: Oh, please don't insult me be attacking wikipedia. You are free to >> check other sources on Miller-Urey and on the works of Sidney Fox. > What about the Fox research confused you? -- Matt Silberstein Do something today about the Darfur Genocide http://www.beawitness.org http://www.darfurgenocide.org http://www.savedarfur.org "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop" Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <922443lfvcimc2s7g1s46943dan9rrebip@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:33:20 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com > (Jason) in > <Jason-0905071133210001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: > > [snip] > > > >Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of > >evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. > >I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin > >believed that God got the process going by creating life. > > Not from nothing, but amino acids do spontaneously form under the > conditions of the early Earth. This was demonstrated decades ago. Care > to move those goalposts? Yes, let's move that goalpost. Take those amino acids and check them once a year for the next thousand years and see if any living cells evolve from those amino acids. Quote
Guest Matt Silberstein Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On Wed, 09 May 2007 12:37:13 -0700, in alt.atheism , Jason@nospam.com (Jason) in <Jason-0905071237140001@66-52-22-100.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote: >In article <f1t3ih$717$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > Do you believe that if I had some bones from an African >> > pygmy child and I took those bones to a scientist or doctor that he would >> > be able to tell me that those bones were from an African pygmy child or >> > just that they were the bones from an African child. Do you see my point? >> > >> > >> >> Yes, he would be able to tell the difference. There are distinct >> differences between adult bones and juvenile bones (such as the head of >> a baby is a lot larger in proportion to its body size than an adult's >> is, etc.) > >I was referring to comparing the bones of a pygmy CHILD to an African >CHILD. The bones of those children (if they were the same age) would about >the same size. I doubt that 100 experts would all be able to come to the >same conclusion as to which bones were African pygmy bones or African >bones. >jaso I have news for you: you can't diagnose that someone was African from the bones. And pygmy human child bones look like other human child bones. And pygmy human adult bones are clearly human but smaller. People who actually do this work can figure out quite a bit from the bones, you might want to learn about this before posting. -- Matt Silberstein Do something today about the Darfur Genocide http://www.beawitness.org http://www.darfurgenocide.org http://www.savedarfur.org "Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop" Quote
Guest duke Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On 9 May 2007 02:42:28 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote: >Thanks for proving my statement that you cannot support your assinine >assertions in a debate with me. 150 years of solid science from >people of all nations and ALL FAITHS prove you wrong. But keep >running, Fartbreaker. All you have is hot air and it stinks. >Budikka Oh, bud the dud, you accuse everyone else of running away from you. We all know it's you running away from us because your cases are so weak. duke, American-American "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message snip > > Martin, > It has actually helped me stay out of prison and jail. When I was about 30 > years old, I could not find a job and was running out of money. I had a > gun so knew that it would be easy to rob a store or rob people. The reason > I did not do that was because I knew that God was watching me and would > have been disappointed with me if I disobeyed one of his commandments. See, that's kind of sad. I don't need any big sky daddy watching over me to be a good person. I already know right from wrong. Sounds like you didn't. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message snip > > Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of > evolution. That doesn't have anything to do with evolution. And evolution doesn't need you to advocate it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Jason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <f1t3ih$717$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > Do you believe that if I had some bones from an African > > pygmy child and I took those bones to a scientist or doctor that he would > > be able to tell me that those bones were from an African pygmy child or > > just that they were the bones from an African child. Do you see my point? > > > > > > Yes, he would be able to tell the difference. There are distinct > differences between adult bones and juvenile bones (such as the head of > a baby is a lot larger in proportion to its body size than an adult's > is, etc.) I was referring to comparing the bones of a pygmy CHILD to an African CHILD. The bones of those children (if they were the same age) would about the same size. I doubt that 100 experts would all be able to come to the same conclusion as to which bones were African pygmy bones or African bones. jaso Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 [snips] On Mon, 07 May 2007 13:25:30 -0700, Codebreaker wrote: >> Evolution isn't a religion, Haskell. It's an observed, documented >> fact. Evolution happens, and all the denial creationists can muster >> won't change that. >> > > > Observed by who??? You are being a false witness. > Did you ever observed a chimp turning into a human being? No, but since that wouldn't be consistent with what evolution is, observing it wouldn't apply. Sorry, was there a point to that question? -- Forgive him, Father. He knows not what he does. - Clayton Davis Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On Mon, 07 May 2007 14:42:50 -0700, Codebreaker wrote: > On May 7, 4:59 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote: >> On May 7, 3:25 pm, Fartbreaker <Fartbrea...@bigsecret.com> lied: >> [snip] >> >> > Observed by who??? You are being a false witness. >> > Did you ever observed a chimp turning into a human being? >> >> No, but we see you turning into a jackass every time you post >> something and turning into a chicken every time I challenge you. > > > I thought it takes 3 billions days or hours for one > specy to evolve into another. Nope. That can happen almost overnight, depending on the species, selection pressures and so forth. What takes long times is gross morphological changes. BTW, the word is "species". -- it's that the power you worship is an inept, defeated, dog. - Don Geser Quote
Guest Brian E. Clark Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0805071220570001@66-52-22-79.lsan.pw- dia.impulse.net>, Jason said... > > What's your evidence that this god exists and created anything? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The best selling book in America. You can find a copy in millions > of homes and in almost every library in America. And after the Bible come books such as _Harry Potter_ and _The Da Vinci Code_. Hardly recommendatory. -- ----------- Brian E. Clark Quote
Guest Brian E. Clark Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In article <Jason-0805071828410001@66-52-22-110.lsan.pw- dia.impulse.net>, Jason said... > I see the evidence that I need when I visit any state park > or look at the stars in the sky. In other words, at an early age you were conditioned to think "God" every time something invoked your awe. That's not evidence, Jason; it's just indoctrination at work. -- ----------- Brian E. Clark Quote
Guest George Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On May 10, 8:10 am, Brian E. Clark <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote: > In article <Jason-0805071220570...@66-52-22-79.lsan.pw- > dia.impulse.net>, Jason said... > > > > What's your evidence that this god exists and created anything? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > The best selling book in America. You can find a copy in millions > > of homes and in almost every library in America. > > And after the Bible come books such as _Harry Potter_ and > _The Da Vinci Code_. Hardly recommendatory. and don't forget toilet paper. It's found in -every- house, factory, library and hotel Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <f1t1ql$c74$03$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <f1si07$324$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Anna R., D.Min. wrote: >>>>> Yes God in His awesome power and authority crafted the Universe. There >>>>> is the alternative to the Theory of Evolution. >>>>> >>>> Oh, boy, this gets boring. >>>> >>>> Ok, if you are correct, then prove it. Scientifically, show evidence of it. >>>> >>>> And "It looks like" is NEVER evidence. >>>> >>>> You want play in the field of science, play by the rules. >>>> >>>> Otherwise it is not science. >>>> >>>> Tokay >>> Prove that life can evolve from non-life and I will become an advocate of >>> evolution. One poster claimed that life could evolve from amino acids. >>> I challenge anyone to create amino acids from nothing. Even Darwin >>> believed that God got the process going by creating life. >>> >>> >> Ehm, done? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment >> >> Amino acids from the compounds. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > What were the compounds and how did those compounds came to be? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3) and hydrogen (H2). These are formed from H2, O2, N2 and C. (Namely Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen and ... (damn. vocabulary problem.... Kohlenstoff....) C. (carbon?) Simply put them together and heat it, that is what you get. This is just anorganic chemistry. >> >> >> Next step: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_W._Fox >> >> >> Your turn. I doubt that you will now become an advocate of evolution. >> Not impossible, but I would be (pleasantly) surprised. >> >> Tokay >> >> >> P.S.: Oh, please don't insult me be attacking wikipedia. You are free to >> check other sources on Miller-Urey and on the works of Sidney Fox. > > -- If you take life too seriously you won't get to laugh along with everybody else when you fail. Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 In alt.atheism On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:33:20 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that: >In article <f1si07$324$02$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Anna R., D.Min. wrote: >> > Yes God in His awesome power and authority crafted the Universe. There >> > is the alternative to the Theory of Evolution. >> > >> >> Oh, boy, this gets boring. >> >> Ok, if you are correct, then prove it. Scientifically, show evidence of it. >> >> And "It looks like" is NEVER evidence. >> >> You want play in the field of science, play by the rules. >> >> Otherwise it is not science. >> >> Tokay > >Prove that life can evolve from non-life You realize that there is no "law of biogenesis", right? Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest duke Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 On 9 May 2007 02:42:28 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote: You're the one that will subsequently run away from discussion - you always are. duke, American-American "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI Quote
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