Guest Mike Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Jason wrote: > > According to the 2005 issue of the Time Almanac, these were the suicide > rates for 4 different years. > > Age 15 to 19 years old--deaths per 100,000 > > 1950 2.7 > 1960 3.6 > > 2000 8.0 > 2001 7.9 > > The suicide rate for young people was much higher for young people in > 2000-2001 than it was in 1950 and 1960. I believe that one of the reasons > is because so many of the young people in 2000 and 2001 were not > Christians. Why are you such a dishonest twit? Let's look at rates for ALL ages over the WHOLE span? 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003 All ages, age adjusted 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 12.5 11.8 10.4 10.7 10.9 10.8 Notice how the overall rates have DROPPED over those years? Not by much and they did go back up slightly in the last few years but the difference between 10.4 and 10.9 is relatively small. Even in your beloved "15-19" age group, the rates have dropped in the past 15 or so years. 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003 15 Quote
Guest Mike Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Jason wrote: > I am looking forward to heaven. I continue to miss my parents and my > sister that died last year. I am looking forward to seeing them in heaven. And if you get to heaven and find they didn't make it, you'll be in misery and mourning forever and ever, amen. Yeap, sounds great to me. Where do I sign up? MOT! Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:35:16 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2510072335570001@66.53.220.126>: >In article <bnf2i310mftkdvq44m1gltjd2lcgkt1aq8@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:41:43 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <dp42i3hsmsker0ecuvjohen43bnn490h7a@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:08:05 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <5o98krFlquvaU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrotesnip >> >> >> >> >> >> > Not really. People will spend the rest of eternity in hell or heaven. >> >> >> >> >> >> Prove it. >> >> > >> >> >You will find all of the proof you need on the day that you die. >> >> >> >> I died. There was no heaven. There was no hell. But there WAS >> >> something all Christians should live in dread of. >> > >> >Many Christians have died for a short period of time and did see heaven. >> >> No, many Christians have had near death experiences and thought, when >> they awakened, that what they experienced as their brains shut down >> was 'heaven'. It was anoxia. That's just another gap your god >> doesn't live in. The more science learns, the fewer places there are >> for him to hide in. >> >> >If you visit any Christian book store, you can buy a book about what they >> >seen while in heaven. One man that was not a Christian went to hell and >> >even wrote a book about what he saw while in hell. I believe the name of >> >his book was "I Escaped From Hell". >> >> And Moslems see Moslem heaven. And Buddhists see what they expect >> when they die. Every deluded person sees what he expects to see. >> >> >Many atheists will end up in hell. >> >> Or would, if there were such a place. It's Christians who have to >> worry about what they'll face when they die. > >What will you do if the Christians are right? That means you will be >spending eternity in hell. You worship an evil, unforgiving God. Learn what Jesus taught and throw away the religion of hatred and self-righteousness that you preach now. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:08:06 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2510072308470001@66.53.220.126>: >In article <lsf2i3pqabu173gjujd5pmem1oh4gv1cbi@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:43:44 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <ri42i31cnals55vemp5nlhe06vrved6dm3@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:32:18 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <tpednXamOYnARoPanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo >> >> >Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >> >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Most Christians would NOT consider suicide as a option >> >> >> >> >> until it's their ass, then all bets are off. Most Christians are >> >hypocrites, >> >> >> after all. >> >> >> >> >I now understand one of the reasons the child and teen suicide rates rose >> >> >for the first time in more than a decade. >> >> >> >> The recent rise in Christianity? >> > >> >No--the rise in the number of atheists now in the world. >> >> The rise in the number of atheists is about none at all. That we're >> being more vocal doesn't mean that there are more of us. >> >> But the kids who commit suicide are almost invariably Christian kids, >> who probably kill themselves because they've been told that they're >> worthless sinners, but they're more intelligent than you are, and it >> bothers them. >> >> > I live in California and you would be amazed at the number of atheist >related bumper >> >stickers that I have seen in recent years. >> >> Again - that doesn't equate to a rise in the number of atheists, just >> a rise in the number who aren't going to lie down for Christianity any >> longer. It's things like Christian boot camps that are causing >> otherwise intelligent kids to kill themselves. > >According to the 2005 issue of the Time Almanac, these were the suicide >rates for 4 different years. > >Age 15 to 19 years old--deaths per 100,000 > >1950 2.7 >1960 3.6 > >2000 8.0 >2001 7.9 > >The suicide rate for young people was much higher for young people in >2000-2001 than it was in 1950 and 1960. I believe that one of the reasons >is because so many of the young people in 2000 and 2001 were not >Christians. > >Do you agree or disagree. I disagree. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2510072350120001@66.53.220.126>: >In article <v1g2i3t16c5uicvrtdtm5j7asedlgma1q3@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >In article <rf42i3d6uhkktth4gpor9i1p60m1ba18ne@4ax.com>, Al Klein >> ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:07:18 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >> >> >I honestly believe that atheists are more likely to commit suicide in a >> >> >crisis situation than a Christian. >> >> >> >> Which is why a greater percentage of suicides are theists than >> >> atheists? >> > >> >Many pastors no longer teach the truth about what the Bible states about >> >murder and various other commandments. The head pastor of the largest >> >church in America rarely even discusses the Bible in his sermons. He is >> >more like a psychologist than a preacher. His last sermon was related to >> >self esteem. He has a weekly television show. >> >> You're playing bagpipes. "Christianity" doesn't have "Jason" in it. >> >> >> > The reason I believe it is because most >> >> >Christians would fear going to hell if they committed suicide. Atheists >> >> >don't believe in hell or heaven so many of them would commit suicide to >> >> >end that crisis situation. >> >> >> Atheists also don't see crises in a lot of situations in which theists >> >> do. >> >> >They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs; >> >flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on >> >them; being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less >> >months to live etc. >> >> But not worrying about sin. Not worrying about hell. Not worrying >> about godly retribution. >> >> And not worrying about being worthless little worms, which is what >> Christian kids are taught they are. > >Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all >will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of >our existence. > >Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of >them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that >it all we have to look forward to when we die. What nonsense. Humans have much more resilience than you give them credit for. Christianity will not stop a case of sucidal depression just because you call suicide a sin. Clearly, you have never talked to anyone whose friend or relative killed himself because he was depressed. You would probably be punched out, deservedly so. I have a relative who, suffering from PTSD, killed himself. Don't tell his wife, now in her eighties, that he killed himself because he didn't believe -- he did. You are just too ignorant and heartless to ever put yourself into anyone's shoes but your own self-righteous arrogant ones. Your hubris is breathtaking. If there were an afterlife, whereever you are would be hell for everyone else. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:44:28 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2510072345080001@66.53.220.126>: >In article ><DipthotDipthot-FEA202.19041425102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-2410071607180001@67-150-124-72.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > I honestly believe that atheists are more likely to commit suicide in a >> > crisis situation than a Christian. >> >> What you "honestly believe" has no bearing on what is . > >That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on >your own life. If you end up in hell, it will be your own fault. > And it's your fault that you make life hell for people around you today with your self-righteous, holier-than-thou preaching. Jesus made it quite clear that He hated people like you. Why don't you follow Jesus' teachings? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:38:07 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2510072338470001@66.53.220.126>: >In article ><DipthotDipthot-A067C2.19085325102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-2510071534500001@67-150-173-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <jgs6v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > [snips] >> > > >> > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:53:51 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > > >> > > >> 1. God hates your self-righeousness and sends you to hell for being so >> > > >> smug. >> > > >> >> > > >> 2. The god that controls the afterlife hates the God you worship and >> > > >> sends all of His followers to hell while giving a paradise to those who >> > > >> ignore gods and the afterlife. >> > > >> > > >> You claim to be correct but don't have a shred of evidence to support >> > > >> your doctrines. >> > > >> > > > Even if I am wrong--I have lost nothing. >> > > >> > > He just pointed out where you lose. Where you get sent to hell for >> > > believing the wrong god, or believing the right one by being smug >about it. >> > >> > I'm not worried about any of those issues. >> >> Why not? > >I don't buy in to the above mentioned criticisms. > They are valid. Once again, you demonstrate that your opinion is ignorantly arrived at and worthless. Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <v1g2i3t16c5uicvrtdtm5j7asedlgma1q3@4ax.com>, Al Klein ><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs; >> >flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on >> >them; being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less >> >months to live etc. >> >> But not worrying about sin. Not worrying about hell. Not worrying >> about godly retribution. >> >> And not worrying about being worthless little worms, which is what >> Christian kids are taught they are. > >Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all >will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of >our existence. Yes, and what part of reality are you having a problem with? >Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of >them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that >it all we have to look forward to when we die. Because only mental midgets can only see "looking forward" and totally ignore an entire lifetime. Sane children see 60 or 70 years as "forever". Only children whose minds have been destroyed by Christianity ignore all that and think that only the time after death matters. That leads to having no respect for others, killing others, committing suicide .... after all, this 70 years is just the beginning of an eternal lifetime, so what does it matter if it's cut short? Even a baby who dies in utero goes to heaven, right? That's what they're taught - that this life is meaningless, and "eternal life" is the only life that matters. Atheists know that this is the only life we get, so we wouldn't end it unless there was no hope left - like intense agony for the next few hours, followed by certain death. I've faced crises and death more than once, and died once, and never thought of suicide - or even of any god. Life is too precious to waste it thinking about make-believe things like heaven and gods. -- Al at Webdingers dot com These biblical literalists forget that their Bible never discusses abortion as society is dealing with it today. They are correct that both the Old Testament and the New Testament appear to treat homosexual conduct as a sin, but they completely ignore the fact that the same Bible supports war, never questions slavery, assumes that women are the property of their fathers or husbands, allows parents to execute children who disobey and even pictures God as ordering the slaughter of innocent children. -- Kenneth Chafin, Oct 2, 1994 - former pastor of Walnut Street Baptist Church in Louisville and former professor of evangelism and preaching at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:42:35 -0700, in alt.atheism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2510072343160001@66.53.220.126>: >In article <4qm7v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason ><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> Atheists also don't see crises in a lot of situations in which theists >> >> do. >> >> > They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs; >> > flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on >> > them; >> >> Sorry, why would any of those be a "crisis"? Those would be, at most, >> annoyances. >> >> > being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less >> > months to live etc. >> >> This one might qualify. > >Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify? > No. Once again, you don't understand people or the causes of suicide or the fact the religiosity doesn't prevent it. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:03:30 GMT, in alt.atheism cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote in <mbhUi.60742$Um6.37127@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>: >Jason wrote: >> In article <ffr5u2$cg1$01$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> >>> Al Klein wrote: >>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:31:29 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [snips] >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:02:20 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For a person that is dying in terrible pain, there are hospice centers >>>>>> where people like that receive medications to ease the pain and they are >>>>>> allowed to die without feeling hardly any pain. >>>>> No, Jason, there are not. >>>>> >>>>> There are many diseases where the pain is so intense that the anaesthetics >>>>> required to kill the pain would kill the patient. Nice try, though. >>>> There are many diseases that cause so much pain that the amount of >>>> anesthesia required to kill the patient STILL won't even mitigate the >>>> pain. It's one reason some doctors make mistakes in morphine dosage. >>> I would not call it "mistake". >>> >>> Tell you the truth, we do it on purpose. >>> >>> If the patient is in so much pain, and has no hope whatsoever. What >>> should we do? Let him die tomorrow with 24 hours of pain or let him die >>> painless today? >>> >>> Tell you another thing. We live with them. We KNOW we gave hin too much >>> morphine. And that is what killed him today. And not on his own tomorrow. >>> >>> I know the faces. I SAW them. That is no fun. >>> >>> We KNOW that it will shorten their lifes.... by a few hours. >>> >>> You have any idea how often the death certificate should say "morphine >>> overdose" rather than some other horrible cause? >>> >>> The difference is maybe a day. On the outside. >>> >>> Tokay >> >> I don't blame any doctor that gives such a patient a morphine overdose. It >> should be legal for doctors to do that. It's legal in one state for >> doctors to do that--it should be legal in every state. >> >> >Jason, why do you condone one person killing another? Hey, don't pick on Jason when he actually shows that he can be a compassionate human rather than the self-righteous religious automaton that he usually presents himself as. He needs to take this one step at a time. Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 In article <Jason-2510071601460001@67-150-173-216.lsan.mdsg- pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > Doesn't matter, frankly, if I'm correct or you are, or someone else > > entirely. You again miss the point: if there is such a thing as "Heaven", > > this is not a reward; it is the most heinous punishment conceivable. > > If you think heaven is bad--that is not a problem--you will end up in hell. > > Take my word for it--heaven is far better than hell. If you want to learn > what hell is like--read the book entitled, "I Escaped From Hell". I did > not read the book but watched the author as he was being interviewed on a > Christian television show. He stated that the people in hell were in > terrible pain. > Jason Ah, more of your "proof". How do I sign on for a tour? I would love to go through the lakes of fire in a glass bottomed boat. Jim Quote
Guest Elf M. Sternberg Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: > What will you do if the Christians are right? That means you will be > spending eternity in hell. Jason, you of all people must know that basing your acceptance in Christianity on Pascal's wager is automatic damnation anyway. Elf -- Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988 http://www.pendorwright.com/ "You know how some people treat their body like a temple? I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei Quote
Guest Elf M. Sternberg Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: > In article <hbn7v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Right or not, the fact remains: the Christian notion of Heaven is about >> the most heinous horror ever created by mind of man. Nothing any human >> agency has ever accomplished holds a candle to the terror of the mere >> notion of Heaven. > > If you hate heaven so much--you don't have to go-- > > I am looking forward to heaven. I continue to miss my parents and my > sister that died last year. I am looking forward to seeing them in > heaven. You're also looking forward to listening to the screams of the damned, which is "the music of heaven," according to tradition. I hope you enjoy the Divine Lobotomy that makes you capable of enjoying the eternal pain of others. Elf -- Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988 http://www.pendorwright.com/ "You know how some people treat their body like a temple? I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei Quote
Guest cactus Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Free Lunch wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:03:30 GMT, in alt.atheism > cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote in > <mbhUi.60742$Um6.37127@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>: >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <ffr5u2$cg1$01$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Al Klein wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:31:29 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason >>>>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [snips] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:02:20 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For a person that is dying in terrible pain, there are hospice centers >>>>>>> where people like that receive medications to ease the pain and they are >>>>>>> allowed to die without feeling hardly any pain. >>>>>> No, Jason, there are not. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are many diseases where the pain is so intense that the anaesthetics >>>>>> required to kill the pain would kill the patient. Nice try, though. >>>>> There are many diseases that cause so much pain that the amount of >>>>> anesthesia required to kill the patient STILL won't even mitigate the >>>>> pain. It's one reason some doctors make mistakes in morphine dosage. >>>> I would not call it "mistake". >>>> >>>> Tell you the truth, we do it on purpose. >>>> >>>> If the patient is in so much pain, and has no hope whatsoever. What >>>> should we do? Let him die tomorrow with 24 hours of pain or let him die >>>> painless today? >>>> >>>> Tell you another thing. We live with them. We KNOW we gave hin too much >>>> morphine. And that is what killed him today. And not on his own tomorrow. >>>> >>>> I know the faces. I SAW them. That is no fun. >>>> >>>> We KNOW that it will shorten their lifes.... by a few hours. >>>> >>>> You have any idea how often the death certificate should say "morphine >>>> overdose" rather than some other horrible cause? >>>> >>>> The difference is maybe a day. On the outside. >>>> >>>> Tokay >>> I don't blame any doctor that gives such a patient a morphine overdose. It >>> should be legal for doctors to do that. It's legal in one state for >>> doctors to do that--it should be legal in every state. >>> >>> >> Jason, why do you condone one person killing another? > > Hey, don't pick on Jason when he actually shows that he can be a > compassionate human rather than the self-righteous religious automaton > that he usually presents himself as. He needs to take this one step at a > time. He is indeed a self-righteous automaton, and this doesn't match his usual dogmatic approach. I am pointing out his inconsistencies because I don't believe him. I believe that he makes these assertions with just about as much thought as when he asserts that Christians are less likely to commit suicide. If he pushes back with valid reasons, I would be more inclined to believe him. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2510071549280001@67-150-173-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <rf42i3d6uhkktth4gpor9i1p60m1ba18ne@4ax.com>, Al Klein > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:07:18 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> >I honestly believe that atheists are more likely to commit suicide in a >> >crisis situation than a Christian. >> >> Which is why a greater percentage of suicides are theists than >> atheists? > > Many pastors no longer teach the truth about what the Bible states about > murder and various other commandments. How would you know? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of > our existence. > > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that > it all we have to look forward to when we die. Is life really that meaningless to you unless there's a reward at the end? That's sad. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify? As a reason for suicide? Are you serious? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > Many Christians have died for a short period of time and did see heaven. Prove it. Personal anedotes don't count. > If you visit any Christian book store, you can buy a book about what they > seen while in heaven. One man that was not a Christian went to hell and > even wrote a book about what he saw while in hell. I believe the name of > his book was "I Escaped From Hell". > > Many atheists will end up in hell. Prove it. While in hell, they will hear other > people say that no Christians ever warned them about hell. Prove it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>snip > > What will you do if the Christians are right? That means you will be > spending eternity in hell. So? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > I don't blame any doctor that gives such a patient a morphine overdose. It > should be legal for doctors to do that. It's legal in one state for > doctors to do that--it should be legal in every state. But that's against your religion, Jason. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2510072338470001@66.53.220.126... > In article > <DipthotDipthot-A067C2.19085325102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-2510071534500001@67-150-173-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > In article <jgs6v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > [snips] >> > > >> > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:53:51 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > > >> > > >> 1. God hates your self-righeousness and sends you to hell for >> > > >> being so >> > > >> smug. >> > > >> >> > > >> 2. The god that controls the afterlife hates the God you worship >> > > >> and >> > > >> sends all of His followers to hell while giving a paradise to >> > > >> those who >> > > >> ignore gods and the afterlife. >> > > >> > > >> You claim to be correct but don't have a shred of evidence to >> > > >> support >> > > >> your doctrines. >> > > >> > > > Even if I am wrong--I have lost nothing. >> > > >> > > He just pointed out where you lose. Where you get sent to hell for >> > > believing the wrong god, or believing the right one by being smug > about it. >> > >> > I'm not worried about any of those issues. >> >> Why not? > > I don't buy in to the above mentioned criticisms. Why not? Afraid of thinking outside of your religion? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. But that's against your religion. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > > I am looking forward to heaven. I continue to miss my parents and my > sister that died last year. I am looking forward to seeing them in heaven. Whatever blows your dress up. Not everyone shares your delusions. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on > your own life. Bullshit. Just because you believe in heaven and hell doesn't mean they exist. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Therion Ware Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:42:35 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >In article <4qm7v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason ><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> Atheists also don't see crises in a lot of situations in which theists >> >> do. >> >> > They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs; >> > flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on >> > them; >> >> Sorry, why would any of those be a "crisis"? Those would be, at most, >> annoyances. >> >> > being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less >> > months to live etc. >> >> This one might qualify. > >Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify? Interesting question, given that my best friend is a woman. Quote
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