Evolution is Just Junk Science

[Guest Al Klein]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:34:50 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <jgs6v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> [snips]

>>

>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:53:51 -0700, Jason wrote:

>>

>> >> 1. God hates your self-righeousness and sends you to hell for being so

>> >> smug.

>> >>

>> >> 2. The god that controls the afterlife hates the God you worship and

>> >> sends all of His followers to hell while giving a paradise to those who

>> >> ignore gods and the afterlife.

>>

>> >> You claim to be correct but don't have a shred of evidence to support

>> >> your doctrines.

>>

>> > Even if I am wrong--I have lost nothing.

>>

>> He just pointed out where you lose. Where you get sent to hell for

>> believing the wrong god, or believing the right one by being smug about it.

>

>I'm not worried about any of those issues.

>

Because you're not intelligent enough to worry about them.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures

or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither

can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives

its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,

cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter-

nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist-

ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a

portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in

nature.

- Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan.

[Guest Al Klein]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:01:46 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Take my word for it--heaven is far better than hell.

 

Only if you end up in hell. Any place that doesn't have

self-righteous people like you in it is a FAR better place than any

place that DOES have them.

>If you want to learn what hell is like--read the book entitled, "I Escaped From Hell".

 

Why read fiction to learn fact?

>I did not read the book

 

Then you don't know what's in it.

> but watched the author as he was being interviewed on a

>Christian television show. He stated that the people in hell were in

>terrible pain.

 

Anyone can state anything. Since he had no evidence, it was just his

method of selling his book to the credulous - like you.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"A myth is a fixed way of looking at the world which cannot be destroyed

because, looked at through the myth, all evidence supports the myth."

- Edward De Bono

[Guest Al Klein]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:41:11 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I am looking forward to heaven.

 

Too bad you'll never see it. You're Christian, so how could you?

> I continue to miss my parents and my

>sister that died last year. I am looking forward to seeing them in heaven.

 

They're not there - and neither will you be.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"The last temptation is the greatest treason: To do the right deed for the wrong reason."

- T.S. Elliot

[Guest Al Klein]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:42:35 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify?

 

Enough to commit suicide? Only to a moron, maybe.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.

Teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever.

Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while

praying for a fish."

- Josef Balluch

[Guest Al Klein]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:44:28 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article

><DipthotDipthot-FEA202.19041425102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

>655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>> What you "honestly believe" has no bearing on what is .

>That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on

>your own life. If you end up in hell, it will be your own fault.

 

The fact that you "honestly believe" that hell exists has no bearing

on the FACT that it doesn't.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."

-Jerry Falwell

[Guest Al Klein]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:38:07 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article

><DipthotDipthot-A067C2.19085325102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

>655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>> > > He just pointed out where you lose. Where you get sent to hell for

>> > > believing the wrong god, or believing the right one by being smug about it.

>> > I'm not worried about any of those issues.

>> Why not?

>I don't buy in to the above mentioned criticisms.

 

The fact that you don't "buy in to" them doesn't change the fact that

they're true.

--

Al at Webdingers dot com

Let me get this straight: You believe that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father

will let you live forever if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, and telepathically

tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that

he put there a long time ago as punishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made from a

dust-man was convinced by a talking snake to eat fruit from a magical tree.

- Unknown

[Guest Mike]

Jason wrote:

> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally

> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. Of

> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they want to die.

 

Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose

of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others to kill

someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

 

Doctor kills you: OK.

 

I kill you: bad.

 

You kill yourself: bad.

 

Got it.

[Guest James Beck]

In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com

says...

> Jason wrote:

> > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally

> > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

> > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

> > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. Of

> > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they want to die.

>

> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose

> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others to kill

> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

> themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

>

> Doctor kills you: OK.

>

> I kill you: bad.

>

> You kill yourself: bad.

>

> Got it.

>

If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide.

You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul

hunter.

Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold.

 

 

Jim

[Guest Free Lunch]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:19:46 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in

<nn44i3likscql6s4m4jn0frl6qh94ngr7v@4ax.com>:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:01:46 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

>>Take my word for it--heaven is far better than hell.

>

>Only if you end up in hell. Any place that doesn't have

>self-righteous people like you in it is a FAR better place than any

>place that DOES have them.

 

If there were an afterlife, Jason is so self-centered that he would

consider anywhere he ends up to be heaven. Few others around him would.

>>If you want to learn what hell is like--read the book entitled, "I Escaped From Hell".

>

>Why read fiction to learn fact?

>

>>I did not read the book

>

>Then you don't know what's in it.

>

>> but watched the author as he was being interviewed on a

>>Christian television show. He stated that the people in hell were in

>>terrible pain.

>

>Anyone can state anything. Since he had no evidence, it was just his

>method of selling his book to the credulous - like you.

[Guest Jason]

In article <ofo3i35thlg3ch75hq6ut7hdos2jdqv75s@4ax.com>, Al Klein

<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:20:16 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> >Good point. My Time Almanac does not have any statistics related to the

> >number of atheists in America in 1950 compared to 2005. I also could not

> >find those statistics on the internet.

> >

> >Do you believe there is now a higher percentage of atheists in America

> >than there was in 1950? I do

>

> Based on what? The number of bumper stickers you see?

>

> Ask almost any Christian and he'll tell you that atheism is still a

> tiny minority in this country.

 

I hope those Christians are correct. I doubt if those Christians that

believe that live in California. We went to a high school football game

last week and saw about a dozen teenagers smoking marijuana on school

property. When I was in high school in the the 1960's--none of us even

smoked marijuana. We would have gotten kicked out school if any teacher

even seen us drinking a beer on school property.

Jason

>

> Unless the particular argument of the moment needs the number to be

> rising rapidly.

[Guest Jason]

In article <mbhUi.60742$Um6.37127@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, cactus

<cactus@nonespam.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <ffr5u2$cg1$01$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

> >

> >> Al Klein wrote:

> >>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:31:29 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason

> >>> <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> [snips]

> >>>>

> >>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:02:20 -0700, Jason wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> For a person that is dying in terrible pain, there are hospice centers

> >>>>> where people like that receive medications to ease the pain and they are

> >>>>> allowed to die without feeling hardly any pain.

> >>>> No, Jason, there are not.

> >>>>

> >>>> There are many diseases where the pain is so intense that the

anaesthetics

> >>>> required to kill the pain would kill the patient. Nice try, though.

> >>> There are many diseases that cause so much pain that the amount of

> >>> anesthesia required to kill the patient STILL won't even mitigate the

> >>> pain. It's one reason some doctors make mistakes in morphine dosage.

> >> I would not call it "mistake".

> >>

> >> Tell you the truth, we do it on purpose.

> >>

> >> If the patient is in so much pain, and has no hope whatsoever. What

> >> should we do? Let him die tomorrow with 24 hours of pain or let him die

> >> painless today?

> >>

> >> Tell you another thing. We live with them. We KNOW we gave hin too much

> >> morphine. And that is what killed him today. And not on his own tomorrow.

> >>

> >> I know the faces. I SAW them. That is no fun.

> >>

> >> We KNOW that it will shorten their lifes.... by a few hours.

> >>

> >> You have any idea how often the death certificate should say "morphine

> >> overdose" rather than some other horrible cause?

> >>

> >> The difference is maybe a day. On the outside.

> >>

> >> Tokay

> >

> > I don't blame any doctor that gives such a patient a morphine overdose. It

> > should be legal for doctors to do that. It's legal in one state for

> > doctors to do that--it should be legal in every state.

> >

> >

> Jason, why do you condone one person killing another?

 

I was discussing a doctor killing a patient that was already dying and was

in severe pain. Mercy killing is VERY different than first degree murder.

In one state in America, it's legal for doctors to commit mercy killings.

It should be legal in every state. Jesus spent most of his ministry

talking about LOVE. Mercy Killing is a form of LOVE.

Jesus.

[Guest Jason]

In article <5oegghFlmll8U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>

> snip

>

> > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally

> > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

> > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

> > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die.

>

> But that's against your religion.

 

My father had lung cancer and heart disease. He had lots of PAIN and

SUFFERING durung the last two months of his life. It would have been much

better if a doctor committed mercy killing. Unless you had a relative that

died in that sort of condition--I don't expect you or anyone else to agree

with me.

[Guest Jason]

In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally

> > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

> > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

> > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. Of

> > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they want to die.

>

> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose

> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others to kill

> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

> themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

>

> Doctor kills you: OK.

>

> I kill you: bad.

>

> You kill yourself: bad.

>

> Got it.

 

Mercy killing is legal in one American state. First degree murder is not

legal in any American state. I will vote in favor of mercy killing.

[Guest Jason]

In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com

> says...

> > Jason wrote:

> > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally

> > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

> > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

> > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. Of

> > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they want to die.

> >

> > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose

> > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others to kill

> > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

> > themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

> >

> > Doctor kills you: OK.

> >

> > I kill you: bad.

> >

> > You kill yourself: bad.

> >

> > Got it.

> >

> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide.

> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul

> hunter.

> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold.

>

>

> Jim

 

Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person

committing suicide or 1st degree murder.

[Guest Jason]

In article <5oegd7Fmnf74U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>

> snip

> > I don't blame any doctor that gives such a patient a morphine overdose. It

> > should be legal for doctors to do that. It's legal in one state for

> > doctors to do that--it should be legal in every state.

>

> But that's against your religion, Jason.

 

I don't agree. Mercy Killing is based on LOVE. Jesus spent more time

talking about love than any other subject.

[Guest Jason]

In article <5oefv7Fmlc5cU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>

> snip

> >

> > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all

> > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of

> > our existence.

> >

> > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of

> > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that

> > it all we have to look forward to when we die.

>

> Is life really that meaningless to you unless there's a reward at the end?

> That's sad.

 

Many people fear death. Most Christians do NOT fear death since they know

they have heaven to look forward to when they die. I am actully looking

forward to seeing my sister and parents when I die. I don't fear death. If

I was an athest--I would truly fear death since I would know that I would

be spending eternity in hell.

[Guest Jason]

In article <5oefr6Fmc840U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:Jason-2510071549280001@67-150-173-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

> > In article <rf42i3d6uhkktth4gpor9i1p60m1ba18ne@4ax.com>, Al Klein

> > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> >

> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:07:18 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> >>

> >> >I honestly believe that atheists are more likely to commit suicide in a

> >> >crisis situation than a Christian.

> >>

> >> Which is why a greater percentage of suicides are theists than

> >> atheists?

> >

> > Many pastors no longer teach the truth about what the Bible states about

> > murder and various other commandments.

>

> How would you know?

 

For several months, I watched such a preacher (Joel Osteem) preach sermons

on his weekly television show. On one Sunday, he preached about how a

person could raise their self esteem (pop psychology). On another Sunday,

he preached about how to avoid having depression (pop psychology). He

reminded me of Doctor Phil. I enjoyed his sermons but his sermons were NOT

related to the Bible or Christian doctrines. Many pastors preach those

sorts of sermons. My pastor preaches sermons based on the Bible and

Christian Doctrines. My favorite television preacher is John Hagee.

Jason

Jason

[Guest Jason]

In article <8mu3i35qkek5nlctf0ldq9vkskibitref9@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:42:35 -0700, in alt.atheism

> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> <Jason-2510072343160001@66.53.220.126>:

> >In article <4qm7v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

> ><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >> [snips]

> >>

> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason wrote:

> >>

> >> >> Atheists also don't see crises in a lot of situations in which theists

> >> >> do.

> >>

> >> > They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs;

> >> > flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on

> >> > them;

> >>

> >> Sorry, why would any of those be a "crisis"? Those would be, at most,

> >> annoyances.

> >>

> >> > being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less

> >> > months to live etc.

> >>

> >> This one might qualify.

> >

> >Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify?

> >

> No. Once again, you don't understand people or the causes of suicide or

> the fact the religiosity doesn't prevent it.

 

I disagree. I have heard cases about young girls committing suicide when

their boyfriends were caught having sex or even kissing another young

girl. I agree that many men would not even care. They would find a new

girl friend.

[Guest Jason]

In article <j054i3dhlftoblqivi18vmco5ms9uckqbf@4ax.com>, Al Klein

<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:44:28 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>

> >In article

> ><DipthotDipthot-FEA202.19041425102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>

> >> What you "honestly believe" has no bearing on what is .

>

> >That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on

> >your own life. If you end up in hell, it will be your own fault.

>

> The fact that you "honestly believe" that hell exists has no bearing

> on the FACT that it doesn't.

 

You can NOT prove that hell does not exist.

[Guest Free Lunch]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:10:08 -0700, in alt.atheism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2610071510080001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <8mu3i35qkek5nlctf0ldq9vkskibitref9@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:42:35 -0700, in alt.atheism

>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

>> <Jason-2510072343160001@66.53.220.126>:

>> >In article <4qm7v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> ><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> [snips]

>> >>

>> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >> Atheists also don't see crises in a lot of situations in which theists

>> >> >> do.

>> >>

>> >> > They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs;

>> >> > flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on

>> >> > them;

>> >>

>> >> Sorry, why would any of those be a "crisis"? Those would be, at most,

>> >> annoyances.

>> >>

>> >> > being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less

>> >> > months to live etc.

>> >>

>> >> This one might qualify.

>> >

>> >Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify?

>> >

>> No. Once again, you don't understand people or the causes of suicide or

>> the fact the religiosity doesn't prevent it.

>

>I disagree. I have heard cases about young girls committing suicide when

>their boyfriends were caught having sex or even kissing another young

>girl. I agree that many men would not even care. They would find a new

>girl friend.

 

The plural of anecdote is not data. Still, if you would bother to dig

into the background of a girl who did this (if there really were such a

girl) you would find out that this may have been the precipitating

event, but not the cause. Humans are not the simplistic robots you make

them out to be.

[Guest Jason]

In article <ffsogh$bll$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike

<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> >

> > According to the 2005 issue of the Time Almanac, these were the suicide

> > rates for 4 different years.

> >

> > Age 15 to 19 years old--deaths per 100,000

> >

> > 1950 2.7

> > 1960 3.6

> >

> > 2000 8.0

> > 2001 7.9

> >

> > The suicide rate for young people was much higher for young people in

> > 2000-2001 than it was in 1950 and 1960. I believe that one of the reasons

> > is because so many of the young people in 2000 and 2001 were not

> > Christians.

>

> Why are you such a dishonest twit? Let's look at rates for ALL ages over

> the WHOLE span?

>

> 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003

> All ages, age adjusted 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 12.5 11.8 10.4 10.7 10.9 10.8

>

> Notice how the overall rates have DROPPED over those years? Not by much

> and they did go back up slightly in the last few years but the

> difference between 10.4 and 10.9 is relatively small.

>

> Even in your beloved "15-19" age group, the rates have dropped in the

> past 15 or so years.

>

> 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 1995 2000 2001 2002 2003

> 15

[Guest Free Lunch]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:51:35 -0700, in alt.atheism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2610071451350001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <5oegghFlmll8U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>>

>> snip

>>

>> > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally

>> > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

>> > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

>> > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die.

>>

>> But that's against your religion.

>

>My father had lung cancer and heart disease. He had lots of PAIN and

>SUFFERING durung the last two months of his life. It would have been much

>better if a doctor committed mercy killing. Unless you had a relative that

>died in that sort of condition--I don't expect you or anyone else to agree

>with me.

>

I think the point that people are trying to make to you is that this is

one place where you are surprisingly undogmatic -- but only because the

death of your father helped humanize you. When it comes to any other

human weakness, you are incredibly unforgiving. Why can't you manage to

bring your understanding of mercy killing to other areas of life -- add

a little more gray to your otherwise black and white view of the world.

 

It strikes me that you are understanding of the weaknesses of humans

only when those weaknesses strike you or those near you. That is sad.

[Guest Jason]

In article <4mp4i3d63j3r5dci0m8dfh86qccgiar7ia@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:51:35 -0700, in alt.atheism

> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> <Jason-2610071451350001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

> >In article <5oegghFlmll8U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >

> >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

> >>

> >> snip

> >>

> >> > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to

legally

> >> > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that

> >> > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for

> >> > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die.

> >>

> >> But that's against your religion.

> >

> >My father had lung cancer and heart disease. He had lots of PAIN and

> >SUFFERING durung the last two months of his life. It would have been much

> >better if a doctor committed mercy killing. Unless you had a relative that

> >died in that sort of condition--I don't expect you or anyone else to agree

> >with me.

> >

> I think the point that people are trying to make to you is that this is

> one place where you are surprisingly undogmatic -- but only because the

> death of your father helped humanize you. When it comes to any other

> human weakness, you are incredibly unforgiving. Why can't you manage to

> bring your understanding of mercy killing to other areas of life -- add

> a little more gray to your otherwise black and white view of the world.

>

> It strikes me that you are understanding of the weaknesses of humans

> only when those weaknesses strike you or those near you. That is sad.

 

I have NO compassion for murderers or child molestors. I have no

compassion for dope pushers or dope users. Mercy killing is VERY different

than first degree murder.

[Guest Free Lunch]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:12:06 -0700, in alt.atheism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2610071512060001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <j054i3dhlftoblqivi18vmco5ms9uckqbf@4ax.com>, Al Klein

><rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:44:28 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>> >In article

>> ><DipthotDipthot-FEA202.19041425102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

>> >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>>

>> >> What you "honestly believe" has no bearing on what is .

>>

>> >That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on

>> >your own life. If you end up in hell, it will be your own fault.

>>

>> The fact that you "honestly believe" that hell exists has no bearing

>> on the FACT that it doesn't.

>

>You can NOT prove that hell does not exist.

>

You cannot prove that Chthulu does not exist.

[Guest 655321]

Jason wrote:

> In article

> <DipthotDipthot-FEA202.19041425102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,

> 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:

>

>> In article

>> <Jason-2410071607180001@67-150-124-72.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>>

>>> I honestly believe that atheists are more likely to commit suicide in a

>>> crisis situation than a Christian.

>> What you "honestly believe" has no bearing on what is .

>

> That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on

> your own life.

 

Another obvious, inane statement.

> If you end up in hell, it will be your own fault.

 

Incorrect.

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655321