Guest Al Klein Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:17:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or >atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were >non-Christians. Why wouldn't you believe that they were all Christians? California, like the rest of the country, is predominantly Christian. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Al Klein Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:17:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or >atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were >non-Christians. Why wouldn't you believe that they were all Christians? California, like the rest of the country, is predominantly Christian. -- Al at Webdingers dot com "Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason wrote: > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of > our existence. > > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that > it all we have to look forward to when we die. Because this is all you have. Unlike Christianity where they're told after you die, there's an eternal life... all one needs to do is manage the suicide without breaking the rules. Tell any kid "this toy is all you have, you can't have any more" and see how he treats that toy. Now tell him that as long as nobody catches him breaking it, he can have as many new toys as he wants - in your weird view, this will make him more likely to value it and preserve it? Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason wrote: > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of > our existence. > > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that > it all we have to look forward to when we die. Because this is all you have. Unlike Christianity where they're told after you die, there's an eternal life... all one needs to do is manage the suicide without breaking the rules. Tell any kid "this toy is all you have, you can't have any more" and see how he treats that toy. Now tell him that as long as nobody catches him breaking it, he can have as many new toys as he wants - in your weird view, this will make him more likely to value it and preserve it? Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:59:45 -0700, Jason wrote: > Many people fear death. Most Christians do NOT fear death since they know > they have heaven to look forward to when they die. I am actully looking > forward to seeing my sister and parents when I die. I don't fear death. If > I was an athest--I would truly fear death since I would know that I would > be spending eternity in hell. If you were an atheist, you would know no such thing; Hell is a product of your religion . Atheists don't believe in such things. You can't really be that stupid, can you? -- Blasphemy is the breastplate of the heartless. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:59:45 -0700, Jason wrote: > Many people fear death. Most Christians do NOT fear death since they know > they have heaven to look forward to when they die. I am actully looking > forward to seeing my sister and parents when I die. I don't fear death. If > I was an athest--I would truly fear death since I would know that I would > be spending eternity in hell. If you were an atheist, you would know no such thing; Hell is a product of your religion . Atheists don't believe in such things. You can't really be that stupid, can you? -- Blasphemy is the breastplate of the heartless. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this >> idiot is way past that) > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could be sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and never did anything about it." Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this >> idiot is way past that) > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could be sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and never did anything about it." Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:55:43 -0700, Jason wrote: >> Yes. There is scientific evidence for Pluto, but not for heaven and hell. > Back in the days of Galileo, the scientists believed they had scientific > evidence related to the earth being the center of the universe. No, Jason, they did not. The notion seems to have originated with the Greeks - Aristotle and Ptolemy and their ilk - but they had no real concept of the scientific method. Modern geocentrism was a strictly religious notion, derived from interpretation of scriptures - not science. So, in your view, the two possible candidates for the notion of the earth being the centre of the universe, neither of which have any particular relation to science, somehow equates to a supposed scientific argument for the position? How weird. > Evolutionists believe many things based on speculation and not on > scientific evidence. For example, there is NO scientific evidence to > prove that there was once a primordial pond. And such a primordial pond would apply to... er... wait, that wouldn't be evolution, that would be abiogenesis. So you start off by confusing religion with science, and follow up by confusing one branch of science with another. Tell me, are you capable of correctly managing other feats of categorization? Can you figure out left from right without help? How about up from down? Red from green? Or are you as likely to confuse all these concepts are you are the ones you refer to above? Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:55:43 -0700, Jason wrote: >> Yes. There is scientific evidence for Pluto, but not for heaven and hell. > Back in the days of Galileo, the scientists believed they had scientific > evidence related to the earth being the center of the universe. No, Jason, they did not. The notion seems to have originated with the Greeks - Aristotle and Ptolemy and their ilk - but they had no real concept of the scientific method. Modern geocentrism was a strictly religious notion, derived from interpretation of scriptures - not science. So, in your view, the two possible candidates for the notion of the earth being the centre of the universe, neither of which have any particular relation to science, somehow equates to a supposed scientific argument for the position? How weird. > Evolutionists believe many things based on speculation and not on > scientific evidence. For example, there is NO scientific evidence to > prove that there was once a primordial pond. And such a primordial pond would apply to... er... wait, that wouldn't be evolution, that would be abiogenesis. So you start off by confusing religion with science, and follow up by confusing one branch of science with another. Tell me, are you capable of correctly managing other feats of categorization? Can you figure out left from right without help? How about up from down? Red from green? Or are you as likely to confuse all these concepts are you are the ones you refer to above? Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:05:22 +0100, Therion Ware wrote: >>Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify? > > Interesting question, given that my best friend is a woman. "Hon, you just keep right on going, long as I can join in." -- Our job is to tell the Good News--so here is the Good News... homosexuality is a sin! -- Mark Fox Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 28, 2007 Posted October 28, 2007 [snips] On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:05:22 +0100, Therion Ware wrote: >>Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify? > > Interesting question, given that my best friend is a woman. "Hon, you just keep right on going, long as I can join in." -- Our job is to tell the Good News--so here is the Good News... homosexuality is a sin! -- Mark Fox Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 cactus wrote: >> If I lived in Ireland, I would not take part in any war. > > What does Ireland have to do with anything in this discussion? I take it you're not familiar with Jason's moments of irrelevant digression . -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <jhdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > [snips] > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all > > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of > > our existence. > > > > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of > > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that > > it all we have to look forward to when we die. > > Because this is all you have. Unlike Christianity where they're told > after you die, there's an eternal life... all one needs to do is manage > the suicide without breaking the rules. > > > Tell any kid "this toy is all you have, you can't have any more" and see > how he treats that toy. Now tell him that as long as nobody catches him > breaking it, he can have as many new toys as he wants - in your weird > view, this will make him more likely to value it and preserve it? There is a heaven and there is a hell. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > [snips] > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: > > >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this > >> idiot is way past that) > > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even > try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could be > sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and > never did anything about it." > > Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of > heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would be heaven--what is your choice? Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 Jason wrote: > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would > be heaven--what is your choice? My choice would be to spend eternity riding the Invisible Pink Unicorn going to an orgy thrown by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, where there are ten busty women to one man and they are all gymnasts. -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > > But what if you are wrong and I am right? But what if I'm right and you're wrong? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > I know that God is the true God and that Jesus (his son) is my savior. You think you know anyway. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Mike Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 Kelsey Bjarnason wrote: > You cannot win. Like that 8-year-old kid facing his father across the > chess board, you haven't a hope of winning, so the only sane thing to do > is give up. Except that giving up, in this case, means realizing the full > and total futility of your entire life, and thus killing yourself. The only thing I'd disagree with is that as the 8-year old kid, at least you had a chance to get better at chess. Yes, you might get beat a lot but eventually, you might get good enough to win. With god, we could never win so the rest of what you said is perfectly valid. Quote
Guest Mike Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote: > cactus wrote: > >>> If I lived in Ireland, I would not take part in any war. >> >> What does Ireland have to do with anything in this discussion? > > I take it you're not familiar with Jason's moments of irrelevant > digression . "Moments"? His period of irrelevant digression has been ongoing for decades. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 [snips] On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:38:07 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > > He just pointed out where you lose. Where you get sent to hell for >> > > believing the wrong god, or believing the right one by being smug > about it. >> > >> > I'm not worried about any of those issues. >> >> Why not? > > I don't buy in to the above mentioned criticisms. Yet they're perfectly legitimate criticisms. You offer what amounts to Pascal's Wager, the argument "If I believe and I'm wrong, I've lost nothing", yet these criticism demolish that argument entirely, as you can believe _and_ lose. So once again, Jason is reduced to nothing more than "Is too! Is too!", is that about the size of it? Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 [snips] On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote: >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. > > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would > be heaven--what is your choice? My choice would be to be worm food. However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which would be the only thing I'd have left. -- EVOLVE! Let the creationists exploit stasis! Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:19:08 -0700, Jason wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-FF0F04.18254727102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > >> In article >> <Jason-2710071435140001@66-53-215-173.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >> >> > I know that God is the true God and that Jesus (his son) is my savior. >> > >> > I know that various other religions have their own Gods. That was even >> > true during Old Testament times. That God's name was Baal. Baal was a >> > false God. The Gods of other religions are false Gods. In other words, >> > they don't exist. I have never heard about Cthulhu--he is probably one of >> > many false Gods. >> >> Like it or not, Jason, you do not KNOW any of the above. >> >> You're just guessing... and then hoping you're right. > > I would say that I believe or have faith that the information in the Bible > is true. A minute ago you said you knew . Now you say you believe . So you start off with a lie, then compound it by failing to cope with the simple notion that your belief could be wrong - the very thing you insist everyone else ask themselves. Why is that? Oh, right, I keep forgetting; the sheer, utter terror you'd face if your beliefs came crumbling down and you had to face the universe on its terms. -- Anyone can talk to God David, even you. -- Andrew Masten (rabid fundy) Anyone can talk to cheese, Andy, even you. -- Fredric L. Rice Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:48:29 -0800, Jason wrote: > In article <jhdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all >> > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of >> > our existence. >> > >> > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of >> > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that >> > it all we have to look forward to when we die. >> >> Because this is all you have. Unlike Christianity where they're told >> after you die, there's an eternal life... all one needs to do is manage >> the suicide without breaking the rules. >> >> >> Tell any kid "this toy is all you have, you can't have any more" and see >> how he treats that toy. Now tell him that as long as nobody catches him >> breaking it, he can have as many new toys as he wants - in your weird >> view, this will make him more likely to value it and preserve it? > > There is a heaven and there is a hell. I'm going to assume you went off your meds, as your response has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the message you're responding to. -- ‘The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified.’ -- Saint Bernard of Clairvaux Quote
Guest The Chief Instigator Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: >In article <jhdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason ><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> [snips] >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all >> > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of >> > our existence. >> > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of >> > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that >> > it all we have to look forward to when we die. >> Because this is all you have. Unlike Christianity where they're told >> after you die, there's an eternal life... all one needs to do is manage >> the suicide without breaking the rules. >> Tell any kid "this toy is all you have, you can't have any more" and see >> how he treats that toy. Now tell him that as long as nobody catches him >> breaking it, he can have as many new toys as he wants - in your weird >> view, this will make him more likely to value it and preserve it? >There is a heaven and there is a hell. Prove it, unless you want to be seen as the theist shill you are. -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (October 28) NEXT GAME: Tuesday, October 30 vs. Syracuse, 7:05 Quote
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