Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > Evolutionists believe many things based on speculation and not on > scientific evidence. For example, there is NO scientific evidence to prove > that there was once a primordial pond. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. BTW, there's NO evidence your god, hell or heaven exists. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrotesnip > Good question: Yes, it would be murder--I would forgive that person. I > would forgive any doctor that told me that he had performed mercy > killings. Why should anyone give a crap if YOU forgave them or not? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snipo > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2810072150250001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this >> >> idiot is way past that) >> > >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >> > again: >> > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even >> try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could >> be >> sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and >> never did anything about it." >> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors >> of >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. > > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would > be heaven--what is your choice? At least hell would be interesting. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip> Not really, if a person was told by their doctor that they only had two > months to live--I would not have any negative things to say to that person > if that person told me that he planned to commit suicide since he was had > terrible pain and agony. What makes you think it has anything to do with you? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> snip > I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or > atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were > non-Christians. Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the only non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > > There is a heaven and there is a hell. Then prove it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > > says... > > > Jason wrote: > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. Of > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they want to die. > > > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others to kill > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > > > > > > Doctor kills you: OK. > > > > > > I kill you: bad. > > > > > > You kill yourself: bad. > > > > > > Got it. > > > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul > > hunter. > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > > > > > > Jim > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person > committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > Split hairs all you want. Your good book says suicide is wrong. Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. Plain and simple. If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some of your other beliefs. Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <Jason-2610071512060001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <j054i3dhlftoblqivi18vmco5ms9uckqbf@4ax.com>, Al Klein > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:44:28 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >In article > > ><DipthotDipthot-FEA202.19041425102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > > >655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > >> What you "honestly believe" has no bearing on what is . > > > > >That's true. However, what you "honestly believe" does have bearing on > > >your own life. If you end up in hell, it will be your own fault. > > > > The fact that you "honestly believe" that hell exists has no bearing > > on the FACT that it doesn't. > > You can NOT prove that hell does not exist. > Well, that sure showed me. Guess I had better go to church now.......... It is not up to an atheist to prove or disprove anything. We just do not accept your explanation. That's all. If you want to sway us, YOU must present the proof. Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <ffvgp4$efl$01$1@news.t-online.com>, tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net says... > Jason wrote: > > In article <4qm7v4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > >> > >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:28 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > >>>> Atheists also don't see crises in a lot of situations in which theists > >>>> do. > >>> They have many crisis situations such as getting fired from their jobs; > >>> flunking out of college; their mates walking out on them or cheating on > >>> them; > >> Sorry, why would any of those be a "crisis"? Those would be, at most, > >> annoyances. > >> > >>> being told by their doctors they have cancer and only 3 or less > >>> months to live etc. > >> This one might qualify. > > > > Would finding your girl friend in bed with your best friend qualify? > > > > > > Nope > > Jason judges his self worth by the actions of others, so he thinks we all do the same. Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <Jason-2810072148300001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg- pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <jhdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [snips] > > > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:49:31 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > Related to worms--an atheist told me in a recent post that we will all > > > will be eaten by worms when we die and after that--that will be the end of > > > our existence. > > > > > > Telling little children the above information would probably cause some of > > > them to commit suicide after their first crisis. Why bother living if that > > > it all we have to look forward to when we die. > > > > Because this is all you have. Unlike Christianity where they're told > > after you die, there's an eternal life... all one needs to do is manage > > the suicide without breaking the rules. > > > > > > Tell any kid "this toy is all you have, you can't have any more" and see > > how he treats that toy. Now tell him that as long as nobody catches him > > breaking it, he can have as many new toys as he wants - in your weird > > view, this will make him more likely to value it and preserve it? > > There is a heaven and there is a hell. > Ah, the Jason mantra. Just because you keep saying it, it doesn't make it so. Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <5omet7FmoflqU1@mid.individual.net>, witchypoo@broomstick.com says... > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2810072150250001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > >> > >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > >> >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this > >> >> idiot is way past that) > >> > > >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over > >> > again: > >> > > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >> > >> Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even > >> try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could > >> be > >> sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and > >> never did anything about it." > >> > >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors > >> of > >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. > > > > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would > > be heaven--what is your choice? > > At least hell would be interesting. > Ha, I always thought that if you had to be one of those stick up your ass bible thumpers to get into heaven, hell must be a partying place. Jim Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <5om7l7Fnefo1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > > snip > > > > But what if you are wrong and I am right? > > But what if I'm right and you're wrong? Our bodies will be eaten by worms and that will be the end of our existence. If you are wrong, I will be spending eternity in heaven and you will be spending eternity in hell--unless you become a Christian before you die. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > > snipo > > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <5omet7FmoflqU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Jason-2810072150250001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [snips] > >> > >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > >> >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this > >> >> idiot is way past that) > >> > > >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over > >> > again: > >> > > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > >> > >> Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even > >> try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could > >> be > >> sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and > >> never did anything about it." > >> > >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors > >> of > >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. > > > > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would > > be heaven--what is your choice? > > At least hell would be interesting. If you enjoy being in pain and agony--it would be interesting. Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <Jason-2910071109010001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <5om7l7Fnefo1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > > > > snip > > > > > > But what if you are wrong and I am right? > > > > But what if I'm right and you're wrong? > > Our bodies will be eaten by worms and that will be the end of our existence. > > If you are wrong, I will be spending eternity in heaven and you will be > spending eternity in hell--unless you become a Christian before you die. > > > Ah, ONLY christians are allowed in your heaven, huh? Pretty funny, considering christianity just high jacked most of its' ideas from earlier religions. Jim Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > [snips] > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote: > > >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of > >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. > > > > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would > > be heaven--what is your choice? > > My choice would be to be worm food. > > However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose > hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but > at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of > yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which > would be the only thing I'd have left. Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan. Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > > > > snipo > > > > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: > > > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > > > The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It > would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan. > > > I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional than I thought. Jim Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > snip > > > > There is a heaven and there is a hell. > > Then prove it. Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the primordial pond. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <5omeutFngaf1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > snip> Not really, if a person was told by their doctor that they only had > two > > months to live--I would not have any negative things to say to that person > > if that person told me that he planned to commit suicide since he was had > > terrible pain and agony. > > What makes you think it has anything to do with you? I was responding to a question. Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:13:34 -0800, Jason wrote: > In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [snips] >> >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote: >> >> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of >> >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. >> > >> > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would >> > be heaven--what is your choice? >> >> My choice would be to be worm food. >> >> However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose >> hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but >> at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of >> yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which >> would be the only thing I'd have left. > > Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan. Yes, but Satan doesn't sit around claiming to be the source of all good, then proving otherwise by his actions. Satan doesn't create people to be one way, then punish them for it. Satan doesn't create humans with curiosity, then stick a tree in the garden, say "don't touch", knowing exactly what will happen, then act all surprised and vengeful when the predictable outcome actually happens. God, as described in the Bible, is such an insufferable prick - totally aside from his homicidal tendencies - that the very notion of respecting him, let alone worshipping him, is repugnant to anyone with a shred of self respect. I simply could not do it; God is evil, but God is also the ultimate hypocrite. -- “People believe what they choose to, in spite of the evidence.” -- M Hardy Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > snip > > > > > > There is a heaven and there is a hell. > > > > Then prove it. > > Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the > primordial pond. > > > Seen an ocean? Do you think those just popped up recently? Jim Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:12:10 -0800, Jason wrote: > In article <5omet7FmoflqU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2810072150250001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> [snips] >> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this >> >> >> idiot is way past that) >> >> > >> >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >> >> > again: >> >> > >> >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> >> >> Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even >> >> try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could >> >> be >> >> sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and >> >> never did anything about it." >> >> >> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors >> >> of >> >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to. >> > >> > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would >> > be heaven--what is your choice? >> >> At least hell would be interesting. > > If you enjoy being in pain and agony--it would be interesting. Again, you persist in overlooking the obvious: there's no fundamental difference between Heaven and Hell when it comes to suffering. I know you'll never acknowledge this, as it is simply too frightening to contemplate, but that doesn't change the facts one bit. -- “Obviously your ignorance of western civilization is lacking.”--CJ Ray Quote
Guest Kelsey Bjarnason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:11:31 -0800, Jason wrote: > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snipo >> > >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again: >> > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. You sick fucking bastard. You would think it was great to have everyone end up in eternal suffering, wouldn't you? You really are an evil bastard, aren't you? -- Jesse, please stop squirming. Where having a hard time trying to get the bonfire lit. -- Dan Ceppa Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 29, 2007 Posted October 29, 2007 In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- > pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > > In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > > > says... > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed to legally > > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to pass that > > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it legal for > > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to die. Of > > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they want to die. > > > > > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose > > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others to kill > > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill > > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > > > > > > > > Doctor kills you: OK. > > > > > > > > I kill you: bad. > > > > > > > > You kill yourself: bad. > > > > > > > > Got it. > > > > > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul > > > hunter. > > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person > > committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > > > > Split hairs all you want. > Your good book says suicide is wrong. > Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. > Plain and simple. > If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it > is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other > person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a > situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the > teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some > pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some > of your other beliefs. > > Jim The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have committed a mercy killing. People that are not in favor of mercy killing should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and lawyers. Jason Quote
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