Evolution is Just Junk Science

October 29, 2007

In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>

> snip

> > I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or

> > atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were

> > non-Christians.

>

> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the only

> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with?

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October 29, 2007

In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Jason@nospam.com says...

> > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >

> > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

> > >

> > > snipo

> > > >

> > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

again:

> > > >

> > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> > > >

> > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> > >

> > > The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

> >

> > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

> > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

> > would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

> > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

> >

> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

> than I thought.

>

> Jim

Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear

is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even

use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

"wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be

America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since

tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border

guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from

Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a

million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear

bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a

large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to

allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster

bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the

nuclear facilities in Iran.

Jason

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:14:39 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>

>> snip

>> >

>> > There is a heaven and there is a hell.

>>

>> Then prove it.

>

> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

> primordial pond.

False requirement.

If one can show that such a pond must have existed, then where is no

more than an issue of curiosity; we would know it existed _somewhere_,

even if not precisely where.

That aside, is Robyn claiming, as some sort of absolute truth, that there

was such a pond? If so, I missed it. You, however, are claiming - above

- that there are, in fact, heaven and hell. Thus, as you make the claim

you assume the burden of supporting it. This, actually, is true whether

Robyn made a claim about a primordial pond or not, whether she's supported

it or not. This is your claim, hence your burden of support.

Got any? No, didn't think so.

--

it’s that the power you worship is an inept, defeated, dog.

-- Don Geser

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:18:04 -0400, James Beck wrote:

> In article <Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Jason@nospam.com says...

>> In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>> >

>> > snip

>> > >

>> > > There is a heaven and there is a hell.

>> >

>> > Then prove it.

>>

>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

>> primordial pond.

>>

> Seen an ocean?

> Do you think those just popped up recently?

Well yes, actually, about 4004 BC. It was a Tuesday, if I recall

correctly...

--

“People believe what they choose to, in spite of the evidence.”

-- M Hardy

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:12:36 -0400, James Beck wrote:

> In article <Jason-2910071109010001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Jason@nospam.com says...

>> In article <5om7l7Fnefo1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>

>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>> >

>> > snip

>> > >

>> > > But what if you are wrong and I am right?

>> >

>> > But what if I'm right and you're wrong?

>>

>> Our bodies will be eaten by worms and that will be the end of our existence.

>>

>> If you are wrong, I will be spending eternity in heaven and you will be

>> spending eternity in hell--unless you become a Christian before you die.

>>

> Ah, ONLY christians are allowed in your heaven, huh?

>

> Pretty funny, considering christianity just high jacked most of its'

> ideas from earlier religions.

This is why the Bible has no copyright notice - virtually none of it is

original.

--

If I’m an atheist, does that mean that I won’t go to

heaven? -- Rodney Matejek

October 29, 2007

In article <Jason-2910071125370001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Jason@nospam.com says...

> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

> > In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-

> > pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says...

> > > In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com

> > > > says...

> > > > > Jason wrote:

> > > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed

> to legally

> > > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to

> pass that

> > > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it

> legal for

> > > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to

> die. Of

> > > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they

> want to die.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose

> > > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others

> to kill

> > > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

> > > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

> > > > >

> > > > > Doctor kills you: OK.

> > > > >

> > > > > I kill you: bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > You kill yourself: bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > Got it.

> > > > >

> > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide.

> > > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul

> > > > hunter.

> > > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > >

> > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person

> > > committing suicide or 1st degree murder.

> > >

> >

> > Split hairs all you want.

> > Your good book says suicide is wrong.

> > Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide.

> > Plain and simple.

> > If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it

> > is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other

> > person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a

> > situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the

> > teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some

> > pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some

> > of your other beliefs.

> >

> > Jim

>

> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or

> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father

> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have

> committed a mercy killing. People that are not in favor of mercy killing

> should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their

> relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to

> not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless

> Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines.

> Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and

> lawyers.

> Jason

>

I would think it would be up to the person in pain to make that call.

The entire line "People that are not in favor of mercy killing should

not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their

relatives" is very disturbing to me, but no doubt totally fine to your

skewed sense of morality. I would never assume to make that call for

another person.

That aside, a do not resuscitate or do not use extraordinary means to

support life, is a LOT different than go ahead and give grandma an

overdose, she looks uncomfortable! Everyone should have a living will.

Look, I have no personal need to force ANYONE to stay alive, period.

You are the one splitting hairs on what is a sin by christian standards

and what is not. I was just pointing out your continued lack of

consistency when it comes to your little black book.

Jim

October 29, 2007

In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Jason@nospam.com says...

> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

> > In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > Jason@nospam.com says...

> > > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

> > > >

> > > > snipo

> > > > >

> > > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

> again:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> > > >

> > > > The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

> > >

> > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

> > > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

> > > would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

> > > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

> > >

> > I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

> > If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

> > than I thought.

> >

> > Jim

>

> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear

> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even

> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be

> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since

> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border

> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from

> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a

> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear

> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a

> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to

> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster

> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the

> nuclear facilities in Iran.

> Jason

>

Just look through history.

There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been

within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian

instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have

ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and

intolerance.

Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of

its' father or mother?

Jim

October 29, 2007

Jason wrote:

> If you are wrong, I will be spending eternity in heaven and you will be

> spending eternity in hell--unless you become a Christian before you die.

Hey, Pascal, Vegas pays out more.

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

October 29, 2007

Jason wrote:

> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

> would end all wars.

PHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Fucking outrageous!!! Holy shit, you really know how to talk out of your

ass. Call Letterman and bok yourself on the show.

> The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

Start with the money that is spent on churches, temples, mosques, social

parasites known as priests, cardinals, imams, ayatollahs, rabbis, etc.

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

October 29, 2007

Jason wrote:

> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

> primordial pond.

Earth.

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:14:39 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>

>> snip

>> >

>> > There is a heaven and there is a hell.

>>

>> Then prove it.

>

>Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

>primordial pond.

>

The primordial pond is not a specific place, it's a kind of chemical

composition.

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:13:34 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2910071113350001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> [snips]

>>

>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote:

>>

>> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors of

>> >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to.

>> >

>> > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would

>> > be heaven--what is your choice?

>>

>> My choice would be to be worm food.

>>

>> However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose

>> hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but

>> at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of

>> yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which

>> would be the only thing I'd have left.

>

>Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan.

>

You don't know that.

What if God doesn't want followers and everyone who tries to get to

Heaven by "pleasing God" pisses Him off and ends up with Satan. Everyone

who ignores Him (clearly that is what He wants since He leaves no

evidence of Himself) is fine.

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:12:10 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2910071112100001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <5omet7FmoflqU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:Jason-2810072150250001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...

>> > In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

>> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> [snips]

>> >>

>> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this

>> >> >> idiot is way past that)

>> >> >

>> >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

>> >> > again:

>> >> >

>> >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>> >>

>> >> Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to even

>> >> try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you could

>> >> be

>> >> sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven and

>> >> never did anything about it."

>> >>

>> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors

>> >> of

>> >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe to.

>> >

>> > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would

>> > be heaven--what is your choice?

>>

>> At least hell would be interesting.

>

>If you enjoy being in pain and agony--it would be interesting.

>

Prove that it won't be you who suffers for being self-righteous.

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:08:16 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in

<5om7n0FnkallU1@mid.individual.net>:

>

>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>

>snip

>> I know that God is the true God and that Jesus (his son) is my savior.

>

>You think you know anyway.

And he ignores all other gods.

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:53:48 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>> > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> >

>> > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>> > >

>> > > snipo

>> > > >

>> > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

>again:

>> > > >

>> > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>> > > >

>> > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>> > >

>> > > The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

>> >

>> > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

>> > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

>> > would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

>> > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

>> >

>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

>> than I thought.

>>

>> Jim

>

>Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

>sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

>much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

Are you aware that the worst war in Europe, by casualties as percent of

population, was a religious war?

October 29, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:26:44 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2910071126440001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>>

>> snip

>> > I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or

>> > atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were

>> > non-Christians.

>>

>> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the only

>> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with?

>

>back sliders

>

Self-righteousness is not a virtue.

October 30, 2007

"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:oothv4-o1n.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:18:04 -0400, James Beck wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>> In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

>>> >

>>> > snip

>>> > >

>>> > > There is a heaven and there is a hell.

>>> >

>>> > Then prove it.

>>>

>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of

>>> the

>>> primordial pond.

>>>

>> Seen an ocean?

>> Do you think those just popped up recently?

>

> Well yes, actually, about 4004 BC. It was a Tuesday, if I recall

> correctly...

>

> --

> "People believe what they choose to, in spite of the evidence."

> -- M Hardy

It was in October 4004BCE, but I thought it was a Wednesday :-)))).

October 30, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>>>>

>>>> snipo

>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

> again:

>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>>>>>

>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

>>>

>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

>> than I thought.

>>

>> Jim

>

> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

You should read the news more often.

> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so.

It hasn't.

The biggest fear

> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world.

They don't.

At least not any more than the christians want to do that. The same,

actually.

They will even

> use nukes to do it.

Since they don't, they won't.

The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

Which is a different thing.

> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel.

You SHOULD read the news more often.

His next target will probably be

> America.

Practical problem: How to get a nuclear missile from Iran to the USA? By

ship, yeah.

It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since