Evolution is Just Junk Science

October 30, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>

>> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>>>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> snipo

>>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

>>> again:

>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

>>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

>>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a

> Christian. It

>>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

>>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the

> Sudan.

>>>>>

>>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

>>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

>>>> than I thought.

>>>>

>>>> Jim

>>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

>>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

>>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

>>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear

>>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even

>>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

>>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

>>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

>>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be

>>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since

>>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border

>>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from

>>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a

>>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear

>>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a

>>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to

>>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster

>>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the

>>> nuclear facilities in Iran.

>>> Jason

>>>

>> Just look through history.

>> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been

>> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian

>> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have

>> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and

>> intolerance.

>> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of

>> its' father or mother?

>>

>> Jim

>>

>

> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the

> Old Testament.

>

Yes. That is called "cherry picking"

Tokay

--

And life is what we make it. Always has been, always will be.

Grandma Moses

October 30, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <DeSdnVofsZ-RwLvanZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo

> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>

>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

>>> primordial pond.

>> Earth.

>

> Be more specific.

>

Thats as specific as it gets. Most probable scenario is that it was

somewhere within the "ocean" that then covered the globe. I.e. all of it.

Probably, as such things happen, at more than one place at the (at

almost the) same time.

Tokay

--

And life is what we make it. Always has been, always will be.

Grandma Moses

October 30, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <fg5te3$89h$02$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-

>>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says...

>>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com

>>>>>> says...

>>>>>>> Jason wrote:

>>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed

>>> to legally

>>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to

>>> pass that

>>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it

>>> legal for

>>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to

>>> die. Of

>>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they

>>> want to die.

>>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an overdose

>>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others

>>> to kill

>>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

>>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I kill you: bad.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Got it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide.

>>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul

>>>>>> hunter.

>>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person

>>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder.

>>>>>

>>>> Split hairs all you want.

>>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong.

>>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide.

>>>> Plain and simple.

>>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it

>>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other

>>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a

>>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the

>>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some

>>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some

>>>> of your other beliefs.

>>>>

>>>> Jim

>>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or

>>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father

>>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have

>>> committed a mercy killing.

>> Why didn't you do it?

>

> I was 12 years old. There were several people in the hospital room. If I

> had been an adult, I probably would have found a way to do it--perhaps by

> unhooking one of the machines that were keeping him alive.

Therefor killing him and therefor going to your "hell". Not my

reasoning. Yours.

Tokay

--

And life is what we make it. Always has been, always will be.

Grandma Moses

October 30, 2007

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:06:13 -0800, in alt.atheism

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

<Jason-2910071706130001@66-53-216-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article <abrci39nhdmdq7cs3fbja5rdpnelq1vc21@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:08:16 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism

>> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in

>> <5om7n0FnkallU1@mid.individual.net>:

>> >

>> >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>> >

>> >snip

>> >> I know that God is the true God and that Jesus (his son) is my savior.

>> >

>> >You think you know anyway.

>>

>> And he ignores all other gods.

>

>They are false gods so why should anyone pay attention to them.

So you say. What evidence do you have that you are right?

Your arrogance is not evidence that you are right. Each god that has

ever been worshipped can be put in the position of the one you worship

and be used for Pascal's Wager. Will you worship every god to make sure

that you don't miss any? You may tell me that the gods you don't worship

are false gods, but you don't know that. You may tell me that the god

called God is the true god, but you don't know that either.

Your smug attitude about gods shows that you don't even understand the

question.

October 30, 2007

In article <fg5t77$89h$02$1@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> >

> >> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >> Jason@nospam.com says...

> >>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> >>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

> >>>>

> >>>> snipo

> >>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

> > again:

> >>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> >>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

> >>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

> >>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

> >>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

> >>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

> >>>

> >> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

> >> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

> >> than I thought.

> >>

> >> Jim

> >

> > Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

> > sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

> > much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

>

> You should read the news more often.

>

> > Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so.

>

> It hasn't.

>

> The biggest fear

> > is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world.

>

> They don't.

>

> At least not any more than the christians want to do that. The same,

> actually.

>

> They will even

> > use nukes to do it.

>

> Since they don't, they won't.

>

> The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

> > "wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

>

> Which is a different thing.

>

> > After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

> > or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel.

>

> You SHOULD read the news more often.

>

> His next target will probably be

> > America.

>

> Practical problem: How to get a nuclear missile from Iran to the USA? By

> ship, yeah.

>

> It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since

> > tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border

> > guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from

> > Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a

> > million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear

> > bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a

> > large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to

> > allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster

> > bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the

> > nuclear facilities in Iran.

>

> True, but not the point. If you want to argue there is a threat, you

> have to show there is a threat. Did they ever find those "Weapons of

> mass destruction" in Iraq? No, they were not there.

S

>

> This is why the rest of the world doesn't trust the USA any more. It is

> not a reliable partner anymore.

>

> It is not even a good financial partner anymore. Since the dollar is

> falling how are we supposed to sell our stuff? You can't even buy it.

>

> You may like the USA. Let me tell you this: As an entity, as a state, I

> lost all respect for it. It might have the biggest military. By far, in

> fact. But as a country it has become the biggest threat to peace.

>

> Do not mistake "keep the peace" with "do nothing".

>

> As far as I am concerned, the USA can reap in the consequences of their

> actions in the middle east on their own. I don't want no part in it. As

> far as I know, the EU says the same. You want to wage war on Iran? You

> have evidence? Or just the same say-so you had in Iraq?

>

> The regime in Iraq was no good. But the USA attacked Iraq on its own.

> NOT within the UN. So, as far as I am concerned, the USA are the "bad guys".

>

> Tokay

I have seen pictures of at least of Iran's nuclear facilities on a

television news show. The president of Iran stated: "Israel must be wiped

off from the map of the world." Iran already has missiles. Read this

report:

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran

October 30, 2007

In article <oothv4-o1n.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:18:04 -0400, James Beck wrote:

>

> > In article <Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > Jason@nospam.com says...

> >> In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> >> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote

> >> >

> >> > snip

> >> > >

> >> > > There is a heaven and there is a hell.

> >> >

> >> > Then prove it.

> >>

> >> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

> >> primordial pond.

> >>

> > Seen an ocean?

> > Do you think those just popped up recently?

>

> Well yes, actually, about 4004 BC. It was a Tuesday, if I recall

> correctly...

Can I use your time machine?

October 30, 2007

In article <MPG.219023969df0b0cc98a27f@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-2910071125370001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Jason@nospam.com says...

> > In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> >

> > > In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-

> > > pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says...

> > > > In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>,

prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com

> > > > > says...

> > > > > > Jason wrote:

> > > > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed

> > to legally

> > > > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to

> > pass that

> > > > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it

> > legal for

> > > > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to

> > die. Of

> > > > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they

> > want to die.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an

overdose

> > > > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others

> > to kill

> > > > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

> > > > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Doctor kills you: OK.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I kill you: bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You kill yourself: bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Got it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide.

> > > > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul

> > > > > hunter.

> > > > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person

> > > > committing suicide or 1st degree murder.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Split hairs all you want.

> > > Your good book says suicide is wrong.

> > > Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide.

> > > Plain and simple.

> > > If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it

> > > is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other

> > > person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a

> > > situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the

> > > teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some

> > > pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some

> > > of your other beliefs.

> > >

> > > Jim

> >

> > The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or

> > even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father

> > die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have

> > committed a mercy killing. People that are not in favor of mercy killing

> > should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their

> > relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to

> > not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless

> > Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines.

> > Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and

> > lawyers.

> > Jason

> >

> I would think it would be up to the person in pain to make that call.

> The entire line "People that are not in favor of mercy killing should

> not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their

> relatives" is very disturbing to me, but no doubt totally fine to your

> skewed sense of morality. I would never assume to make that call for

> another person.

> That aside, a do not resuscitate or do not use extraordinary means to

> support life, is a LOT different than go ahead and give grandma an

> overdose, she looks uncomfortable! Everyone should have a living will.

> Look, I have no personal need to force ANYONE to stay alive, period.

> You are the one splitting hairs on what is a sin by christian standards

> and what is not. I was just pointing out your continued lack of

> consistency when it comes to your little black book.

>

> Jim

Jim,

I should have been more clear. I had in mind a relative that was in a

coma. The relatives in that sort of case would have to decide whether or

not to allow the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping the

relative alive. In that case, I would vote to unhook the machines. The

people that were not in favor of mercy killing would vote to keep all of

those machines hooked up. I have a living will so I would never end up in

that sort of situation. Sarah and my doctor both have copies of my living

will.

Jason

October 30, 2007

In article <fg62qn$gno$03$4@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <fg5te3$89h$02$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

> >

> >> Jason wrote:

> >>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg-

> >>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says...

> >>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com

> >>>>>> says...

> >>>>>>> Jason wrote:

> >>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed

> >>> to legally

> >>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to

> >>> pass that

> >>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it

> >>> legal for

> >>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to

> >>> die. Of

> >>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they

> >>> want to die.

> >>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an

overdose

> >>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others

> >>> to kill

> >>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill

> >>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I kill you: bad.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Got it.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide.

> >>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul

> >>>>>> hunter.

> >>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Jim

> >>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person

> >>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder.

> >>>>>

> >>>> Split hairs all you want.

> >>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong.

> >>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide.

> >>>> Plain and simple.

> >>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it

> >>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other

> >>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a

> >>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the

> >>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some

> >>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some

> >>>> of your other beliefs.

> >>>>

> >>>> Jim

> >>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or

> >>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father

> >>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have

> >>> committed a mercy killing.

> >> Why didn't you do it?

> >

> > I was 12 years old. There were several people in the hospital room. If I

> > had been an adult, I probably would have found a way to do it--perhaps by

> > unhooking one of the machines that were keeping him alive.

>

> Therefor killing him and therefor going to your "hell". Not my

> reasoning. Yours.

>

> Tokay

My daddy was dying in terrible pain and agony. If you have never been in

that sort of situation, I don't expect you to understand. I have never

killed anyone or ever helped anyone commit suicide. I hope I am never in

that situation.

October 30, 2007

In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

<tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

> Jason wrote:

> > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> >

> >> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >> Jason@nospam.com says...

> >>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >>>> Jason@nospam.com says...

> >>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

> >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> snipo

> >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

> >>> again:

> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

> >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

> >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

> >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a

> > Christian. It

> >>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

> >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the

> > Sudan.

> >>>>>

> >>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

> >>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

> >>>> than I thought.

> >>>>

> >>>> Jim

> >>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

> >>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

> >>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

> >>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear

> >>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even

> >>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

> >>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

> >>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

> >>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be

> >>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since

> >>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border

> >>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from

> >>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a

> >>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear

> >>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a

> >>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to

> >>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster

> >>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the

> >>> nuclear facilities in Iran.

> >>> Jason

> >>>

> >> Just look through history.

> >> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been

> >> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian

> >> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have

> >> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and

> >> intolerance.

> >> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of

> >> its' father or mother?

> >>

> >> Jim

> >>

> >

> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the

> > Old Testament.

> >

>

> Yes. That is called "cherry picking"

>

> Tokay

The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most

Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life

in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine

the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death

for committing adultery.

October 30, 2007

Jason wrote:

>>>Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the

>>>primordial pond.

>>

>>Earth.

>

> Be more specific.

Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy.

--

Come down off the cross

We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

October 30, 2007

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes:

>In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>> snipo

>> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over again:

>> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

>That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

>would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. It

>would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

>spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the Sudan.

If everyone went to this supposed heaven, why would anyone want to go if

they had to put up with the assholes - like you - they had to endure in life?

--

Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas

chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273

LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (October 28)

NEXT GAME: Tuesday, October 30 vs. Syracuse, 7:05

October 30, 2007

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes:

>In article <hlchv4-e37.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason

><kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>> [snips]

>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:50:25 -0800, Jason wrote:

>> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the horrors

>> >> of heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe

>> >> to.

>> > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice would

>> > be heaven--what is your choice?

>> My choice would be to be worm food.

>> However, if it were a choice between heaven and hell, I'd have to choose

>> hell. You see, both are about equivalent in terms of the suffering, but

>> at least in hell I wouldn't have to put up with that evil bastard god of

>> yours, and I could be where I was with a degree of self respect - which

>> would be the only thing I'd have left.

>Instead of having to put up with God--you will have to put up with Satan.

Unfortunately for you, Satan is busy with his full-time job - playing hockey

for the NHL's New York Islanders. (His first name is Miroslav.)

--

Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas

chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273

LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (October 28)

NEXT GAME: Tuesday, October 30 vs. Syracuse, 7:05

October 30, 2007

Jason wrote:

> In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris

> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote:

>

>> Jason wrote:

>>> In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>>>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>>>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James

>>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>>>>>> Jason@nospam.com says...

>>>>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"

>>>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> snipo

>>>>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over

>>>>> again:

>>>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it.

>>>>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea.

>>>>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world

>>>>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a

>>> Christian. It

>>>>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be

>>>>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the

>>> Sudan.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh?

>>>>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional

>>>>>> than I thought.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those

>>>>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard

>>>>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years.

>>>>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear

>>>>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even

>>>>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to

>>>>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world."

>>>>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one

>>>>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be

>>>>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since

>>>>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border

>>>>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from

>>>>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a

>>>>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear

>>>>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a

>>>>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to

>>>>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster

>>>>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the

>>>>> nuclear facilities in Iran.

>>>>> Jason

>>>>>

>>>> Just look through history.

>>>> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been

>>>> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian

>>>> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have

>>>> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and

>>>> intolerance.

>>>> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of

>>>> its' father or mother?

>>>>

>>>> Jim

>>>>

>>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the

>>> Old Testament.

>>>

>> Yes. That is called "cherry picking"

>>

>> Tokay

>

> The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most

> Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life

> in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine

> the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death

> for committing adultery.

>

Exactly my point.

Tokay

--

9 out of 10 men who try Camels prefer women.

October 30, 2007