Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > It would be great if everyone went to heaven. As I recall from your own words, the number of reservations is limited. Isn't that what your cult has taught you? -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <MPG.218ffaae5ec51ed098a27c@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > Ah, ONLY christians are allowed in your heaven, huh? Well, not all of them. Jason himself has said that there is a limited number of tickets. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2910072318280001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Heaven is in another dimension. Where the men have goatees and are evil. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2910072319310001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > Heaven is in another dimension. This is what is commonly called "punting." -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2810071206450001@67-150-127-175.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > I am not concerned about Cthuhlu, Baal or the Moon God. It's your funeral. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2810071149270001@67-150-127-175.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > If people ask me for my advice related to moral issues, ....they are seeking nutrients from a piece of styrofoam. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest 655321 Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2710072217220001@67-150-120-95.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <DipthotDipthot-366C26.18125927102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, > 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-2610071722190001@67-150-121-1.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article <hBuUi.60792$Um6.3614@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, 655321 > > > <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote: > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > In article <ofo3i35thlg3ch75hq6ut7hdos2jdqv75s@4ax.com>, Al Klein > > > > > <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:20:16 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Good point. My Time Almanac does not have any statistics > > > > >>> related > to the > > > > >>> number of atheists in America in 1950 compared to 2005. I > > > > >>> also > > > > > >> could not > > > > >>> find those statistics on the internet. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Do you believe there is now a higher percentage of atheists > > > > >>> in America than there was in 1950? I do Do you still believe this "statistic"? > > > > >> Based on what? The number of bumper stickers you see? > > > > >> > > > > >> Ask almost any Christian and he'll tell you that atheism is still a > > > > >> tiny minority in this country. > > > > > > > > > > I hope those Christians are correct. I doubt if those > > > > > Christians that believe that live in California. We went to a > > > > > high school football game last week and saw about a dozen > > > > > teenagers smoking marijuana on school property. When I was in > > > > > high school in the the 1960's--none of us even smoked > > > > > marijuana. We would have gotten kicked out school if any > > > > > teacher even seen us drinking a beer on school property. > > > > > > > > Are you saying Christians don't drink beer or smoke pot? > > > > > > No > > > > Actually, you are. Re-read that paragraph. You are saying that, if > > someone sees 'x' number of pot-smoking teenagers, he or she can > > "conclude" that there is a quantity of 'y' atheists. > > I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or > atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were > non-Christians. poof There goes any point you thought you were trying to make. -- 655321 "We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snipo >> > >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >> > again: >> > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> > >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a Christian. In your opinion. It > would end all wars. Oh bullshit! You know how many wars have been fought in the name of your religion? You think that the different sects of christianity haven't fought against each other? Jeeze, learn a little history! -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip] > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > Old Testament. Thank goodness for that. BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip >> Tokay > > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > Christians pay any attention to. Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that, Jason. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071112100001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5omet7FmoflqU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:Jason-2810072150250001@67-150-120-101.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > In article <srdfv4-bu1.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>, Kelsey Bjarnason >> > <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> [snips] >> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:10:24 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> (Sorry, I am pissed. And my bullshit-tolerance is at ZERO. And this >> >> >> idiot is way past that) >> >> > >> >> > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >> >> > again: >> >> > >> >> > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >> >> >> Funny... I've warned you about heaven, but you fail, completely, to >> >> even >> >> try to understand what's said to you. So in a million years, you >> >> could >> >> be >> >> sitting there saying, over and over again, "I was warned about heaven >> >> and >> >> never did anything about it." >> >> >> >> Of course, being a good, ethical person, I would never wish the >> >> horrors >> >> of >> >> heaven on you, even an imaginary one I don't, as an atheist, ascribe >> >> to. >> > >> > Would you prefer to spend eternity in heaven or in hell? My choice >> > would >> > be heaven--what is your choice? >> >> At least hell would be interesting. > > If you enjoy being in pain and agony--it would be interesting. Better than sitting on my ass all day worshipping the bloated ego of your god, that's for sure. Either way, since there's no evidence either heaven or hell exist outside of your religion, I'm certainly not going to waste my time thinking about it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071116020001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5omeutFngaf1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip> Not really, if a person was told by their doctor that they only had >> two >> > months to live--I would not have any negative things to say to that >> > person >> > if that person told me that he planned to commit suicide since he was >> > had >> > terrible pain and agony. >> >> What makes you think it has anything to do with you? > > I was responding to a question. And I was asking one. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071126440001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5omf8rFnnmk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snip >> > I don't honestly know whether the dope smokers were Christians or >> > atheists. I would guess that some were Christians and some were >> > non-Christians. >> >> Hmm, well let's see. I smoked a lot of pot as a teenager and was the >> only >> non-christian around. Guess who I smoked pot with? > > back sliders I'm sure they would disagree - as would my sis-in-laws who attend church and smoke a joint afterwards. BTW, there's nothing in the bible that says, "thou shalt not be a stoner". -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip >> > >> > There is a heaven and there is a hell. >> >> Then prove it. > > Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the > primordial pond. Since I never claimed there was a primordial pond, I don't have to prove anything. YOU made the assertion about heaven and hell. YOU prove it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote snip > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me > to tell you the location of heaven. Jason, you can't tell us the location of heaven because you know it doesn't exist. Just admit it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910072319310001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <8MqdnQZ7eIgkT7vanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo > Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location >> >>>>>of the >> >>>>>primordial pond. >> >>>> >> >>>>Earth. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Be more specific. >> >> >> >>Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >> > >> > >> > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect >> > me >> > to tell you the location of heaven. >> >> I gave you the location. What do you expect me to do, give you >> coordinates >> of an event that happened before the continents formed, merged, >> separated, >> merged again, separated again, etc? >> >> Now that you have the location of the primordial pond neatly narrowed >> down >> to a particular planet out of the Universe billions of light years >> across, >> give me a rough idea where "heaven" is. Next door to Nirvana? Two blocks >> south of Hades? Three miles NE of Valhalla, exit 167? > > Heaven is in another dimension. Prove it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Mike Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >>>>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >>>>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snipo >>>>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >>>>> again: >>>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >>>>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >>>>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world >>>>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a >>> Christian. It >>>>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be >>>>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the >>> Sudan. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? >>>>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional >>>>>> than I thought. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those >>>>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard >>>>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. >>>>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear >>>>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even >>>>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to >>>>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." >>>>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one >>>>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be >>>>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since >>>>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border >>>>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from >>>>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a >>>>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear >>>>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a >>>>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to >>>>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster >>>>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the >>>>> nuclear facilities in Iran. >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>> Just look through history. >>>> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been >>>> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian >>>> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have >>>> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and >>>> intolerance. >>>> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of >>>> its' father or mother? >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >>> Old Testament. >>> >>> >> Yes. That is called "cherry picking" >> >> >> Tokay > > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > for committing adultery. > > Quote
Guest Mike Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > for committing adultery. Ok, Jason, let's see how much attention you pay to the 10 commandments (and possibly get you to finally understand that there is no "one right answer" in all circumstances.) There is a religious group (doesn't matter who other than they aren't xians) who have become convinced that a 2 year old living in NY is the "antichrist" of their religion. They are desperate to kill this child or have it killed. They don't care about what penalty they'd pay and, other than this, they are a very peaceful group. They have repeatly tried, at great expense of money and life, to kill this child. They have taken control of a nuclear sub and have several children as hostages in the sub. The sub is in 300' of water off the coast of NY. They know the launch codes for the nukes. There is no way possible to get the children out of the sub and dropping depth charges will kill all on board. You are in charge of the naval ships that could drop such charges. They have sent a demand to you: Personally kill the child on live TV by 5:00pm, at which time we will surface the sub and surrender, or we launch a nuke on NYC which will kill the child and then we will surface and surrender. Based on your knowledge of the religion, etc. you know that they will keep their word on the surrender. Now your only options are: 1: Kill the child yourself. 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several children on board. 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as many others. NO other options (such as "we won't vote at all and just pray that a rescue ship comes by and gets us before we all die of thirst." or "I'll wait to see if I can get a clear shot.") are available. What are you going to do? Personally, I'd kill the child. I wouldn't be happy at all about it and would probably need therapy for the rest of my life, but I'd see no other choice. Occasionally, you have no other choice but to kill an innocent person. Quote
Guest Mike Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > Yes, some denominations pay attention to various laws and scriptures in > the Old Testament. I have read the Old Testament and enjoyed the stories > but did not enjoy reading the longs lists of laws that made a lot of sense > in those days but don't make much sense today. Christians pay attention to > the 10 commandments since they came directly from God. Those other laws > were (in my opinion) written by men. You need to re-read them. The book of Leviticus starts out: Leviticus 1 The Burnt Offering 1 The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting. He said, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any of you brings an offering to the LORD, bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock. And then it goes on outlining law after law after law. Let's re-read that again. "The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting. He said, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them..." The LORD called to Moses. Moses didn't sit down and say "Hmm, I'll make up some laws." It says the Lord told him this specifically and told him to pass it along to the Israelites. Nice try, however. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071109010001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <5om7l7Fnefo1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >> snip >> > >> > But what if you are wrong and I am right? >> >> But what if I'm right and you're wrong? > > Our bodies will be eaten by worms and that will be the end of our > existence. Wrong on the first part. I plan on being cremated. Right on the second. > If you are wrong, I will be spending eternity in heaven and you will be > spending eternity in hell-- And that just gives you a woody, doesn't it. >unless you become a Christian before you die. Why would I want to do that? Sorry, but I can't be that dishonest. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Jason-2910071706130001@66-53-216-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > In article <abrci39nhdmdq7cs3fbja5rdpnelq1vc21@4ax.com>, Free Lunch > <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:08:16 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism >> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in >> <5om7n0FnkallU1@mid.individual.net>: >> > >> >"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> > >> >snip >> >> I know that God is the true God and that Jesus (his son) is my savior. >> > >> >You think you know anyway. >> >> And he ignores all other gods. > > They are false gods so why should anyone pay attention to them. They're only false gods because you THINK they are - And you don't get to make the rules. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2910071707380001@66-53-216-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > > In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > snipo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over > > > again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. > > > > > > > > > > That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world > > > > > would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a > Christian. It > > > > > would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be > > > > > spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the > Sudan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? > > > > If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional > > > > than I thought. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those > > > sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard > > > much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. > > > Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear > > > is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even > > > use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to > > > "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." > > > After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one > > > or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be > > > America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since > > > tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border > > > guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from > > > Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a > > > million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear > > > bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a > > > large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to > > > allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster > > > bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the > > > nuclear facilities in Iran. > > > Jason > > > > > > > Just look through history. > > There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been > > within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian > > instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have > > ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and > > intolerance. > > Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of > > its' father or mother? > > > > Jim > > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > Old Testament. > Yes, but in your little black book, your "loving" god decided that all the first born of Egypt should be killed for Moses. So, a total innocent should pay with its' life for the sins of the father? Yeah, that sounds really kind and loving. Kinda' primes the 'ol atrocity pump doesn't it? The only saving grace is that it is all fiction and none of it happened. However, it does say something about the BS you spew. Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-2910072136140001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.219023969df0b0cc98a27f@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-2910071125370001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- > > > > pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > > In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, > prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > > > > > > says... > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed > > > to legally > > > > > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to > > > pass that > > > > > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it > > > legal for > > > > > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to > > > die. Of > > > > > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they > > > want to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an > overdose > > > > > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others > > > to kill > > > > > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill > > > > > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doctor kills you: OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I kill you: bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You kill yourself: bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > > > > > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul > > > > > > hunter. > > > > > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person > > > > > committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Split hairs all you want. > > > > Your good book says suicide is wrong. > > > > Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. > > > > Plain and simple. > > > > If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it > > > > is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other > > > > person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a > > > > situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the > > > > teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some > > > > pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some > > > > of your other beliefs. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or > > > even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father > > > die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have > > > committed a mercy killing. People that are not in favor of mercy killing > > > should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > > > relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders doctors to > > > not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless > > > Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. > > > Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and > > > lawyers. > > > Jason > > > > > I would think it would be up to the person in pain to make that call. > > The entire line "People that are not in favor of mercy killing should > > not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > > relatives" is very disturbing to me, but no doubt totally fine to your > > skewed sense of morality. I would never assume to make that call for > > another person. > > That aside, a do not resuscitate or do not use extraordinary means to > > support life, is a LOT different than go ahead and give grandma an > > overdose, she looks uncomfortable! Everyone should have a living will. > > Look, I have no personal need to force ANYONE to stay alive, period. > > You are the one splitting hairs on what is a sin by christian standards > > and what is not. I was just pointing out your continued lack of > > consistency when it comes to your little black book. > > > > Jim > > Jim, > I should have been more clear. I had in mind a relative that was in a > coma. The relatives in that sort of case would have to decide whether or > not to allow the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping the > relative alive. In that case, I would vote to unhook the machines. The > people that were not in favor of mercy killing would vote to keep all of > those machines hooked up. I have a living will so I would never end up in > that sort of situation. Sarah and my doctor both have copies of my living > will. > Jason > Oh, I agree. I don't want to end up some rotting pinata either. Remember who it was that went running to the Terry Shiavo cause, the christians. The woman was a carrot with eyes and yet christians from around the country were convinced that by some miracle her brain was going to grow back. How did all that praying work out for her? Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <DipthotDipthot-F77A37.00340530102007 @newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com says... > In article <MPG.218ffaae5ec51ed098a27c@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, > James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > Ah, ONLY christians are allowed in your heaven, huh? > > Well, not all of them. Jason himself has said that there is a limited > number of tickets. > > Lucky I have an "in" at TicketMaster. Quote
Guest The Chief Instigator Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: >In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo >> > Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of >> >>>>> the primordial pond. >> >>>> Earth. >> >>> Be more specific. >> >> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >> > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me >> > to tell you the location of heaven. >> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the >> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. >Heaven is in another dimension. If you can't back up your fantasy with proof, have the courage to admit you're just making it up as you go along. -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (October 28) NEXT GAME: Tuesday, October 30 vs. Syracuse, 7:05 Quote
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