Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071233260001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <5ooqf6Fnh429U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:Jason-2910071114400001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > In article <5omfbiFnmodfU2@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > >> > > >> snip > > >> > > > >> > There is a heaven and there is a hell. > > >> > > >> Then prove it. > > > > > > Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the > > > primordial pond. > > > > Since I never claimed there was a primordial pond, I don't have to prove > > anything. > > > > YOU made the assertion about heaven and hell. YOU prove it. > > The location: another dimension > Your ignorance is hanging out again........ Please tuck it back in before the children see it. Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071235340001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo > > >>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location > > > of the > > >>>>>>> primordial pond. > > >>>>>> Earth. > > >>>>> Be more specific. > > >>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > > >>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me > > >>> to tell you the location of heaven. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the > > >> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > > >> > > >> Tokay > > > > > > Heaven is in another dimension. > > > > > > > > > > What is a dimension? > > > > Tokay > > Google dimension > I think YOU had better do the googling! Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071241570001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.219117c26e2a8e498a285@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-2910072136140001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > In article <MPG.219023969df0b0cc98a27f@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2910071125370001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > > In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- > > > > > > pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > > > > In article > <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, > > > prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > > > > > > > > says... > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are > allowed > > > > > to legally > > > > > > > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are > trying to > > > > > pass that > > > > > > > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it > > > > > legal for > > > > > > > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that > want to > > > > > die. Of > > > > > > > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they > > > > > want to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an > > > overdose > > > > > > > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others > > > > > to kill > > > > > > > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for > someone to kill > > > > > > > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doctor kills you: OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I kill you: bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You kill yourself: bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > > > > > > > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind > of soul > > > > > > > > hunter. > > > > > > > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young > healty person > > > > > > > committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Split hairs all you want. > > > > > > Your good book says suicide is wrong. > > > > > > Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. > > > > > > Plain and simple. > > > > > > If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her > kill me it > > > > > > is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other > > > > > > person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been > subjected to a > > > > > > situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the > > > > > > teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some > > > > > > pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to > reconsider some > > > > > > of your other beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or > > > > > even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my > father > > > > > die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have > > > > > committed a mercy killing. People that are not in favor of mercy killing > > > > > should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings > on their > > > > > relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders > doctors to > > > > > not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless > > > > > Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. > > > > > Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and > > > > > lawyers. > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > I would think it would be up to the person in pain to make that call. > > > > The entire line "People that are not in favor of mercy killing should > > > > not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > > > > relatives" is very disturbing to me, but no doubt totally fine to your > > > > skewed sense of morality. I would never assume to make that call for > > > > another person. > > > > That aside, a do not resuscitate or do not use extraordinary means to > > > > support life, is a LOT different than go ahead and give grandma an > > > > overdose, she looks uncomfortable! Everyone should have a living will. > > > > Look, I have no personal need to force ANYONE to stay alive, period. > > > > You are the one splitting hairs on what is a sin by christian standards > > > > and what is not. I was just pointing out your continued lack of > > > > consistency when it comes to your little black book. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Jim, > > > I should have been more clear. I had in mind a relative that was in a > > > coma. The relatives in that sort of case would have to decide whether or > > > not to allow the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping the > > > relative alive. In that case, I would vote to unhook the machines. The > > > people that were not in favor of mercy killing would vote to keep all of > > > those machines hooked up. I have a living will so I would never end up in > > > that sort of situation. Sarah and my doctor both have copies of my living > > > will. > > > Jason > > > > > > > Oh, I agree. > > I don't want to end up some rotting pinata either. > > Remember who it was that went running to the Terry Shiavo cause, the > > christians. The woman was a carrot with eyes and yet christians from > > around the country were convinced that by some miracle her brain was > > going to grow back. How did all that praying work out for her? > > > > Jim > > The problem in that case was that Terry Shiavo did NOT have a living will > and also failed to tell the many members of her family what she wanted the > members of her family to do if she was ever in a comma. I did not make > that mistake. I have a living will and told Sarah that if I was in a comma > to order the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping me alive. > That still does not explain away all the bible thumpers (you know, your compatriots) that had to throw in their opinion where is wasn't wanted or needed. Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > snip] > > > > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > > > Old Testament. > > > > Thank goodness for that. > > > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > England or France. > Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? Dude, stop while you are ahead. Jim Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a28e@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > Jason@nospam.com says... > > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > > snip] > > > > > > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > > > > Old Testament. > > > > > > Thank goodness for that. > > > > > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping > > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in > > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > > England or France. > > > > Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your > grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that > fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? > > Dude, stop while you are ahead. > > > Jim If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that I would like to sell you. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <MPG.219164b74f6f3d4698a28d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > In article <Jason-3010071241570001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > Jason@nospam.com says... > > In article <MPG.219117c26e2a8e498a285@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <Jason-2910072136140001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > In article <MPG.219023969df0b0cc98a27f@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2910071125370001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > > > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > > > In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- > > > > > > > pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > > > > > > > > In article > > <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > > > > > > > > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, > > > > prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com > > > > > > > > > says... > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I guess they could move to that state where doctors are > > allowed > > > > > > to legally > > > > > > > > > > > kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are > > trying to > > > > > > pass that > > > > > > > > > > > same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it > > > > > > legal for > > > > > > > > > > > doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that > > want to > > > > > > die. Of > > > > > > > > > > > course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they > > > > > > want to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an > > > > overdose > > > > > > > > > > of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others > > > > > > to kill > > > > > > > > > > someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for > > someone to kill > > > > > > > > > > themselves, no matter how much pain, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doctor kills you: OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I kill you: bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You kill yourself: bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. > > > > > > > > > You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind > > of soul > > > > > > > > > hunter. > > > > > > > > > Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young > > healty person > > > > > > > > committing suicide or 1st degree murder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Split hairs all you want. > > > > > > > Your good book says suicide is wrong. > > > > > > > Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. > > > > > > > Plain and simple. > > > > > > > If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her > > kill me it > > > > > > > is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other > > > > > > > person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been > > subjected to a > > > > > > > situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the > > > > > > > teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some > > > > > > > pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to > > reconsider some > > > > > > > of your other beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or > > > > > > even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my > > father > > > > > > die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have > > > > > > committed a mercy killing. People that are not in favor of mercy killing > > > > > > should not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings > > on their > > > > > > relatives. I have signed legal forms (living will) that orders > > doctors to > > > > > > not resuscitate me or hook me up to machines that keep me alive unless > > > > > > Sarah or myself gives the doctors permission to use those machines. > > > > > > Millions of people have legal living wills on file with their mates and > > > > > > lawyers. > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > I would think it would be up to the person in pain to make that call. > > > > > The entire line "People that are not in favor of mercy killing should > > > > > not authorize doctors or nurses to conduct mercy killings on their > > > > > relatives" is very disturbing to me, but no doubt totally fine to your > > > > > skewed sense of morality. I would never assume to make that call for > > > > > another person. > > > > > That aside, a do not resuscitate or do not use extraordinary means to > > > > > support life, is a LOT different than go ahead and give grandma an > > > > > overdose, she looks uncomfortable! Everyone should have a living will. > > > > > Look, I have no personal need to force ANYONE to stay alive, period. > > > > > You are the one splitting hairs on what is a sin by christian standards > > > > > and what is not. I was just pointing out your continued lack of > > > > > consistency when it comes to your little black book. > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > I should have been more clear. I had in mind a relative that was in a > > > > coma. The relatives in that sort of case would have to decide whether or > > > > not to allow the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping the > > > > relative alive. In that case, I would vote to unhook the machines. The > > > > people that were not in favor of mercy killing would vote to keep all of > > > > those machines hooked up. I have a living will so I would never end up in > > > > that sort of situation. Sarah and my doctor both have copies of my living > > > > will. > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I agree. > > > I don't want to end up some rotting pinata either. > > > Remember who it was that went running to the Terry Shiavo cause, the > > > christians. The woman was a carrot with eyes and yet christians from > > > around the country were convinced that by some miracle her brain was > > > going to grow back. How did all that praying work out for her? > > > > > > Jim > > > > The problem in that case was that Terry Shiavo did NOT have a living will > > and also failed to tell the many members of her family what she wanted the > > members of her family to do if she was ever in a comma. I did not make > > that mistake. I have a living will and told Sarah that if I was in a comma > > to order the doctors to unhook any machines that were keeping me alive. > > > > That still does not explain away all the bible thumpers (you know, your > compatriots) that had to throw in their opinion where is wasn't wanted > or needed. > > Jim Everyone has free speech. I realize that many Christians don't agree with me related to this issue. They fear that once mercy killing becomes a common practice, that thousands of people that are depressed will be mercy killed. They also fear that relatives that want the money of elderly relatives will arrange for their relatives to be mercy killed so they will not have to pay a nursing home to take care of them. Those things could happen. When abortion became the law of the land, only a small number of women received abortions. Many couples now want a baby boy and a baby girl. If they already have one baby girl and the parents find out the wife is pregnant with another female--the parents may abort the female baby with hopes that the next baby will be a male. If you don't believe me--google "sex selection abortions". I read a story the other day about a couple that aborted their baby since it had "Down's Syndorom". About a dozen years from now, it may become a common practice for relatives to have their elderly relatives mercy killed so they can get their money ASAP instead of having to wait several years for them to die. In addition, they won't have to care for their elderly relatives or pay huge amounts of money to rest homes to take care of them. Quote
Guest Jason Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > Jason wrote: > > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > >> Jason wrote: > >>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo > >>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Jason wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location > >>> of the > >>>>>>>>> primordial pond. > >>>>>>>> Earth. > >>>>>>> Be more specific. > >>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > >>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me > >>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the > >>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > >>>> > >>>> Tokay > >>> Heaven is in another dimension. > >>> > >>> > >> What is a dimension? > >> > >> Tokay > > > > Google dimension > > > > > > I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? > > > Tokay try this term: alternate reality Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071332070001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a28e@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > > Jason@nospam.com says... > > > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > > > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote > > > > > > > > snip] > > > > > > > > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the > > > > > Old Testament. > > > > > > > > Thank goodness for that. > > > > > > > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for > stopping > > > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > > > > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > > > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > > > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in > > > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > > > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > > > England or France. > > > > > > > Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your > > grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that > > fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? > > > > Dude, stop while you are ahead. > > > > > > Jim > > If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to > be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that > I would like to sell you. > I don't think ANY religous fanatics should have access to nukes. Muslims, christians, jews, or otherwise. It worries me that a bunch of wackos that think there is a better place on the other side just waiting for them has that kind of power. "Your" people (christians) are just as war like as any other groups of zealots. You do know that the US fought Mexicans (christians), Germans (christians), each other (christians), Spain (christians), and the english (christians). That's just the what I could pull out of my head quickly about the USA. The list goes on and on, no jews, muslims, shintos, buddists, or the like required. Do you REALLY want to keep going there? Jim Quote
Guest James Beck Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 In article <Jason-3010071346320001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... > In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > >> Jason wrote: > > >>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris > > >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles > & Mambo > > >>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Jason wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location > > >>> of the > > >>>>>>>>> primordial pond. > > >>>>>>>> Earth. > > >>>>>>> Be more specific. > > >>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > > >>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't > expect me > > >>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the > > >>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. > > >>>> > > >>>> Tokay > > >>> Heaven is in another dimension. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> What is a dimension? > > >> > > >> Tokay > > > > > > Google dimension > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? > > > > > > Tokay > > try this term: alternate reality > > Try this term : Fantasy Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > location: another dimension Which one? What evidence do you have to support your hypothesis? How did you come up with it? When will you be publishing it in a scientific journal? What will you do with the money from the Nobel prize for physics? -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
Guest Charles & Mambo Duckman Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: >>>For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine >>>the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death >>>for committing adultery. >> >>Or for practicing homosexuality, albeit on the sly. Or for having abortions, >>on the sly. Or for working on Sunday. Or for not being a virgin before >>marriage (women only). And so on, ad nauseam, praise Jeesus. > > > Yes, some denominations pay attention to various laws and scriptures in > the Old Testament. I have read the Old Testament and enjoyed the stories > but did not enjoy reading the longs lists of laws that made a lot of sense > in those days but don't make much sense today. Christians pay attention to > the 10 commandments since they came directly from God. Those other laws > were (in my opinion) written by men. Call Focus On The Family, Concerned Women For America, Fox News, Falwell Ministry, CBN, New Life Church and tell them that. -- Come down off the cross We can use the wood Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House Quote
Guest Tapio Erola Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason@nospam.com (Jason) writes: > In article <fg7db2$d3d$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > > > Jason wrote: > > > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most > > > Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life > > > in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine > > > the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death > > > for committing adultery. > > > > Ok, Jason, let's see how much attention you pay to the 10 commandments > > (and possibly get you to finally understand that there is no "one right > > answer" in all circumstances.) > > > > There is a religious group (doesn't matter who other than they aren't > > xians) who have become convinced that a 2 year old living in NY is the > > "antichrist" of their religion. They are desperate to kill this child or > > have it killed. They don't care about what penalty they'd pay and, other > > than this, they are a very peaceful group. They have repeatly tried, at > > great expense of money and life, to kill this child. > > > > They have taken control of a nuclear sub and have several children as > > hostages in the sub. The sub is in 300' of water off the coast of NY. > > They know the launch codes for the nukes. There is no way possible to > > get the children out of the sub and dropping depth charges will kill all > > on board. You are in charge of the naval ships that could drop such charges. > > > > They have sent a demand to you: Personally kill the child on live TV by > > 5:00pm, at which time we will surface the sub and surrender, or we > > launch a nuke on NYC which will kill the child and then we will surface > > and surrender. Based on your knowledge of the religion, etc. you know > > that they will keep their word on the surrender. > > > > Now your only options are: > > > > 1: Kill the child yourself. > > > > 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several > > children on board. > > > > 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as > > many others. > > > > NO other options (such as "we won't vote at all and just pray that a > > rescue ship comes by and gets us before we all die of thirst." or "I'll > > wait to see if I can get a clear shot.") are available. > > > > What are you going to do? > > > > Personally, I'd kill the child. I wouldn't be happy at all about it and > > would probably need therapy for the rest of my life, but I'd see no > > other choice. > > > > Occasionally, you have no other choice but to kill an innocent person. > > I would do nothing. Which means that you choose option 3. Kiss NYC goodbye and try to explain to everyone why you chose the worst possible option. My Choice: 2. Too farking much invested in not caving into blackmail and terrorism. However, there are situations where the sheer numbers break down this equation. Game Theory can be a fascinating subject... ObTV: _Outer Limits_ had a really funky episode on similar dilemma, under the title _Final Exam_. ObSF: _Tuf Voyaging_ by George R.R. Martin. -- "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Quote
Guest Ivan Gowch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:23:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: ==>"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message ==>news:Jason-2910071109010001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... ==>> In article <5om7l7Fnefo1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ==>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: ==>> ==>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> ==>>> ==>>> snip ==>>> > ==>>> > But what if you are wrong and I am right? I'll take a run at that one -- one of my favourite puerile arguments from religion-wracked victims of their parents' lies: What if I am wrong? What if -- despite the absolute absence of any evidence for it -- religionistas are right and there does indeed exist an eternal, almighty God who rules the universe and judges each of us? Why should I fear? This omniscient God surely knows me inside and out; knows everything I have ever done and everything I have ever imagined doing. This God has surely already made up His holy mind whether I am worthy of eternal bliss in paradise, or whether I merit torture without end in the fiery pits of hell. Is it possible that I can fool this all-seeing, all-knowing Lord of Lords with declarations of piety and self-serving avowals of repentance? Of course not. And as far as my disbelief goes, why would God condemn me for it? Surely, the deity would be aware my failure to believe in His existence does not stem from any desire on my part to be evil, but is due to His failure to provide me with even the slightest evidence of it. Should I believe that this transcendent, divine spirit would punish me for being possessed of a skepticism that demands evidence -- skepticism with which He, Himself imbued me? I think not. I don't entertain a single doubt that If I am wrong about the non-existence of the supernatural, and someday find myself -- surprised as all get-out -- standing before a celestial Seat of Judgment, I will fare no worse than all the pious, praying, slogan-babbling fools who believe they can trump death by making nice with the Big Guy upstairs. I do not fear God, whether He exists or not. You shouldn't, either. -IG © 2007, Ivan Gowch -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <fg7db2$d3d$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike > <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >>> The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most >>> Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life >>> in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine >>> the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death >>> for committing adultery. >> Ok, Jason, let's see how much attention you pay to the 10 commandments >> (and possibly get you to finally understand that there is no "one right >> answer" in all circumstances.) >> >> There is a religious group (doesn't matter who other than they aren't >> xians) who have become convinced that a 2 year old living in NY is the >> "antichrist" of their religion. They are desperate to kill this child or >> have it killed. They don't care about what penalty they'd pay and, other >> than this, they are a very peaceful group. They have repeatly tried, at >> great expense of money and life, to kill this child. >> >> They have taken control of a nuclear sub and have several children as >> hostages in the sub. The sub is in 300' of water off the coast of NY. >> They know the launch codes for the nukes. There is no way possible to >> get the children out of the sub and dropping depth charges will kill all >> on board. You are in charge of the naval ships that could drop such charges. >> >> They have sent a demand to you: Personally kill the child on live TV by >> 5:00pm, at which time we will surface the sub and surrender, or we >> launch a nuke on NYC which will kill the child and then we will surface >> and surrender. Based on your knowledge of the religion, etc. you know >> that they will keep their word on the surrender. >> >> Now your only options are: >> >> 1: Kill the child yourself. >> >> 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several >> children on board. >> >> 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as >> many others. >> >> NO other options (such as "we won't vote at all and just pray that a >> rescue ship comes by and gets us before we all die of thirst." or "I'll >> wait to see if I can get a clear shot.") are available. >> >> What are you going to do? >> >> Personally, I'd kill the child. I wouldn't be happy at all about it and >> would probably need therapy for the rest of my life, but I'd see no >> other choice. >> >> Occasionally, you have no other choice but to kill an innocent person. > > I would do nothing. > > And be responsible for the mushroom cloud over New York. Tokay -- Rule of Feline Frustration: When your cat has fallen asleep on your lap and looks utterly content and adorable, you will suddenly have to go to the bathroom. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:18:28 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2910072318280001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo >> > Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location >of the >> >>>>> primordial pond. >> >>>> Earth. >> >>> >> >>> Be more specific. >> >> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >> > >> > If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me >> > to tell you the location of heaven. >> > >> > >> >> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the >> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. >> >> Tokay > >Heaven is in another dimension. > Does that mean something? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:46:32 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071346320001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <fg84j1$hmc$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <fg7la3$h1k$00$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>> In article <fg6k9n$i7e$03$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> >>> <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Jason wrote: >> >>>>> In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles >& Mambo >> >>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Jason wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location >> >>> of the >> >>>>>>>>> primordial pond. >> >>>>>>>> Earth. >> >>>>>>> Be more specific. >> >>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >> >>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't >expect me >> >>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> He did. And I did. Earth. The ocean. Which then pretty much covered the >> >>>> whole globe. I'd have thought you'd jump at that. Big flood and all. >> >>>> >> >>>> Tokay >> >>> Heaven is in another dimension. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> What is a dimension? >> >> >> >> Tokay >> > >> > Google dimension >> > >> > >> >> I KNOW what a dimension is. Do you? >> >> >> Tokay > >try this term: alternate reality > So taking really good psychodelics will put you in heaven? Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 Jason wrote: > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip] >>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >>> Old Testament. >> Thank goodness for that. >> >> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping >> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of > nuclear weapons. Holy cow. You SHOULD read some history. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they > start making several nuclear weapons per year While as far as my opinion goes, this basket case might do that, this point is speculative. You can't act on a "might do". Otherwise, germany might be next. We don't like the USA. We did, but we learned otherwise. --not a single large city in > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into > England or France. Probably. But why do that? Tokay -- Rule of Feline Frustration: When your cat has fallen asleep on your lap and looks utterly content and adorable, you will suddenly have to go to the bathroom. Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 James Beck wrote: > In article <Jason-3010071332070001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, > Jason@nospam.com says... >> In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a28e@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >>> In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >>> Jason@nospam.com says... >>>> In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >>>>> >>>>> snip] >>>>>> no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >>>>>> Old Testament. >>>>> Thank goodness for that. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for >> stopping >>>>> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? >>>> There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of >>>> nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they >>>> start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in >>>> the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear >>>> weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into >>>> England or France. >>>> >>> Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your >>> grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that >>> fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? >>> >>> Dude, stop while you are ahead. >>> >>> >>> Jim >> If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to >> be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that >> I would like to sell you. >> > > I don't think ANY religous fanatics should have access to nukes. > Muslims, christians, jews, or otherwise. > It worries me that a bunch of wackos that think there is a better place > on the other side just waiting for them has that kind of power. > "Your" people (christians) are just as war like as any other groups of > zealots. Yes. And the most christian nation on this globe has by far the most military (including nuclear) power. THAT is what I fear. > You do know that the US fought Mexicans (christians), Germans > (christians), each other (christians), Spain (christians), and the > english (christians). That's just the what I could pull out of my head > quickly about the USA. The list goes on and on, no jews, muslims, > shintos, buddists, or the like required. Do you REALLY want to keep > going there? He most likely wont answer that. And change the subject. Let's see... Tokay -- Rule of Feline Frustration: When your cat has fallen asleep on your lap and looks utterly content and adorable, you will suddenly have to go to the bathroom. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:43:23 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2910072143230001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <fg62fr$gno$03$2@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <MPG.219025105eb247cc98a280@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> > Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article <Jason-2910071153480001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> >> Jason@nospam.com says... >> >>> In article <MPG.218ffb1a6f2034e298a27d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> In article <Jason-2910071111320001@67-150-122-25.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> >>>> Jason@nospam.com says... >> >>>>> In article <5omerlFnoteuU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> >>>>> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> snipo >> >>>>>>> A million years from now--you may be saying over and over and over >> >>> again: >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I was warned about hell and I failed to do anything about it. >> >>>>>> The really sad thing is that I think you get off on this idea. >> >>>>> That's not true. It would be great if everyone went to heaven. The world >> >>>>> would be a much better place if everyone in the world was a >> > Christian. It >> >>>>> would end all wars. The money that is spent on wars and weapons could be >> >>>>> spent to feed all of the hungry people in the world such as in the >> > Sudan. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> I guess all those killed in North Ireland don't count, huh? >> >>>> If you REALLY believe that would end all wars, you are more delusional >> >>>> than I thought. >> >>>> >> >>>> Jim >> >>> Good point. However, I would hope that the Christians involved in those >> >>> sorts of wars (like in Ireland) would stop those wars. I have not heard >> >>> much about the the war between Christians in Ireland in recent years. >> >>> Perhaps that war has come to an end--at least I hope so. The biggest fear >> >>> is Muslims since they have a goal of taking over the world. They will even >> >>> use nukes to do it. The president of Iran has stated that he wants to >> >>> "wipe off Israel from the map of the world." >> >>> After he has finishes work on creating nuclear weapons--he will fire one >> >>> or more nuclear tipped missles at Israel. His next target will probably be >> >>> America. It would be easy to smuggle a nuclear bomb into America since >> >>> tractor trailers come into America each day from Mexico. Various border >> >>> guards have been fired for getting paid great amounts of money from >> >>> Mexican cocaine dealers. Those sorts of border guards would love to take a >> >>> million dollar payment to allow a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear >> >>> bomb to travel across the the Mexican border. I am glad I don't live in a >> >>> large city. Of course, lots of liberal democrats in Congress don't want to >> >>> allow Bush to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran with bunker buster >> >>> bombs. Many people in this newsgroup also don't want Bush to attack the >> >>> nuclear facilities in Iran. >> >>> Jason >> >>> >> >> Just look through history. >> >> There has been just as much in fighting among christians as has been >> >> within the different muslim subgroups. You act as if being a christian >> >> instantly fixes all wrongs. I still can't believe that you have >> >> ACTUALLY read your bible. It is filled with violence, hatred, and >> >> intolerance. >> >> Would YOU sentence a newborn baby to death because of the actions of >> >> its' father or mother? >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> > >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >> > Old Testament. >> > >> > >> >> Yes. That is called "cherry picking" >> >> >> Tokay > >The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most >Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life >in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine >the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death >for committing adultery. > They give lip service to them. They demonstrate by their behavior that things are more than God to them. They don't follow the Sabbath Day. They rarely honor their parents and have no idea how to generalize it. They covet. The worship of the ten commandments, as done in the United States is forbidden in the ten commandments. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:50:24 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071250250001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <fg7db2$d3d$1@news04.infoave.net>, Mike ><prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > The 10 commandments are the only laws from the Old Testament that most >> > Christians pay any attention to. Most of those laws are unrelated to life >> > in America. For example, many of the laws are related to animals. Imagine >> > the trouble that Christians could get into if we stoned someone to death >> > for committing adultery. >> >> Ok, Jason, let's see how much attention you pay to the 10 commandments >> (and possibly get you to finally understand that there is no "one right >> answer" in all circumstances.) >> >> There is a religious group (doesn't matter who other than they aren't >> xians) who have become convinced that a 2 year old living in NY is the >> "antichrist" of their religion. They are desperate to kill this child or >> have it killed. They don't care about what penalty they'd pay and, other >> than this, they are a very peaceful group. They have repeatly tried, at >> great expense of money and life, to kill this child. >> >> They have taken control of a nuclear sub and have several children as >> hostages in the sub. The sub is in 300' of water off the coast of NY. >> They know the launch codes for the nukes. There is no way possible to >> get the children out of the sub and dropping depth charges will kill all >> on board. You are in charge of the naval ships that could drop such charges. >> >> They have sent a demand to you: Personally kill the child on live TV by >> 5:00pm, at which time we will surface the sub and surrender, or we >> launch a nuke on NYC which will kill the child and then we will surface >> and surrender. Based on your knowledge of the religion, etc. you know >> that they will keep their word on the surrender. >> >> Now your only options are: >> >> 1: Kill the child yourself. >> >> 2: Drop depth charges on the sub, killing them but also killing several >> children on board. >> >> 3: Do nothing and let them nuke NYC, thus killing the child as well as >> many others. >> >> NO other options (such as "we won't vote at all and just pray that a >> rescue ship comes by and gets us before we all die of thirst." or "I'll >> wait to see if I can get a clear shot.") are available. >> >> What are you going to do? >> >> Personally, I'd kill the child. I wouldn't be happy at all about it and >> would probably need therapy for the rest of my life, but I'd see no >> other choice. >> >> Occasionally, you have no other choice but to kill an innocent person. > >I would do nothing. > So, why would you choose to let NYC be nuked? Are you really persuaded that NYC is a den of iniquity and that God wants it nuked? Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:46:08 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" ><witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> >> snip] >> > >> > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >> > Old Testament. >> >> Thank goodness for that. >> >> BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for stopping >> the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? > >There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of >nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they >start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in >the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear >weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into >England or France. > Thank you for showing us that you are stupid and bigoted. You are just repeating the same old lies that the rabid right told us about the Soviet Union and Red China. Notice that neither country ever attacked us and there is no reason for us to think Iran will either. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-3010071332070001@67-150-126-93.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <MPG.21916532b69ef8aa98a28e@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >> In article <Jason-3010071246080001@66-53-215-221.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>, >> Jason@nospam.com says... >> > In article <5ooq5lFnlvkbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Robibnikoff" >> > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >> > >> > > "Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote >> > > >> > > snip] >> > > > >> > > > no--as you probably know--Christians don't follow all of the laws in the >> > > > Old Testament. >> > > >> > > Thank goodness for that. >> > > >> > > BTW, if all the world was christian, what would be your plans for >stopping >> > > the different sects of christianity from making war upon each other? >> > >> > There may be some wars but nothing like the wars that envolve the use of >> > nuclear weapons. Iran is presently making nuclear materials and once they >> > start making several nuclear weapons per year--not a single large city in >> > the world is safe to live in. It would be very easy to smuggle a nuclear >> > weapon into America and even easier to smuggle a nuclear weapon into >> > England or France. >> > >> >> Nukes, you means "GOD'S CLEANSING FIRE!!!!!" or some other name your >> grand poobah would call it when using it to wipe out the christians that >> fell out of grace because of a difference in how they worship? >> >> Dude, stop while you are ahead. >> >> >> Jim > >If you believe that the president of Iran is making nuclear materials to >be used for peaceful purposes--I have land (located under the ocean) that >I would like to sell you. > If you believe that the President of Iran has any say in the matter, you've already bought that land. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:39:00 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2910072139000001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <fg62qn$gno$03$4@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris ><tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> > In article <fg5te3$89h$02$3@news.t-online.com>, Tokay Pino Gris >> > <tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Jason wrote: >> >>> In article <MPG.218fd28dceffbf7f98a275@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> >>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> In article <Jason-2610071454470001@67-150-120-210.lsan.mdsg- >> >>>> pacwest.com>, Jason@nospam.com says... >> >>>>> In article <MPG.218bea98da6359c298a270@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, James >> >>>>> Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> In article <fft631$on4$1@news04.infoave.net>, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com >> >>>>>> says... >> >>>>>>> Jason wrote: >> >>>>>>>> I guess they could move to that state where doctors are allowed >> >>> to legally >> >>>>>>>> kill them. Is the name of that state Oregon? They are trying to >> >>> pass that >> >>>>>>>> same law in California. Believe it or not, I hope they make it >> >>> legal for >> >>>>>>>> doctors to kill patients that are in terrible pain that want to >> >>> die. Of >> >>>>>>>> course, the patients should sign legal forms indicating they >> >>> want to die. >> >>>>>>> Let me get this straight: it's OK for a doctor to prescribe an >overdose >> >>>>>>> of painkiller to kill someone in pain but it's not OK for others >> >>> to kill >> >>>>>>> someone (aka "murder is a sin") AND it's not OK for someone to kill >> >>>>>>> themselves, no matter how much pain, right? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Doctor kills you: OK. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I kill you: bad. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> You kill yourself: bad. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Got it. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> If you go to the doctor to get killed, that is still suicide. >> >>>>>> You sought the doctor, he didn't come for you like some kind of soul >> >>>>>> hunter. >> >>>>>> Jason's convoluted thought processes are a wonder to behold. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jim >> >>>>> Google "mercy killing". It's very different than a young healty person >> >>>>> committing suicide or 1st degree murder. >> >>>>> >> >>>> Split hairs all you want. >> >>>> Your good book says suicide is wrong. >> >>>> Seeking out someone to kill you is suicide. >> >>>> Plain and simple. >> >>>> If I pull a gun on a cop with the intention of having him/her kill me it >> >>>> is called suicide by cop. Is it any different if it is some other >> >>>> person I use? No, and you know it. You have just been subjected to a >> >>>> situation in your life that has made you reconsider some of the >> >>>> teachings of your book. You have modified your beliefs based on some >> >>>> pain and suffering you have seen. Maybe it is time to reconsider some >> >>>> of your other beliefs. >> >>>> >> >>>> Jim >> >>> The option is for people to watch their relatives spend several weeks or >> >>> even several months dying in terrible pain and agony. I watched my father >> >>> die in pain and agony of lung cancer. I wish that a doctor would have >> >>> committed a mercy killing. >> >> Why didn't you do it? >> > >> > I was 12 years old. There were several people in the hospital room. If I >> > had been an adult, I probably would have found a way to do it--perhaps by >> > unhooking one of the machines that were keeping him alive. >> >> Therefor killing him and therefor going to your "hell". Not my >> reasoning. Yours. >> >> >> Tokay > >My daddy was dying in terrible pain and agony. If you have never been in >that sort of situation, I don't expect you to understand. I have never >killed anyone or ever helped anyone commit suicide. I hope I am never in >that situation. > Once again, you smugly assume that no one else has ever been through something like this. Your arrogance and inability to put yourself in anyone else's shoes makes it impossible for you to be compassionate except when it is something you have been through. I don't think your Christianity is doing you or your friends and family any favors. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:37:54 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in <Jason-2910072237550001@67-150-124-88.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>: >In article <8YmdnUGVWrg5ULvanZ2dnUVZ_uninZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo >Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: >> >> >>>Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the >> >>>primordial pond. >> >> >> >>Earth. >> > >> > >> > Be more specific. >> >> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. > >If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me >to tell you the location of heaven. > You will grasp at any straw, no matter how pathetic, to excuse your behavior. Quote
Guest Tokay Pino Gris Posted October 30, 2007 Posted October 30, 2007 James Beck wrote: > In article <fg839s$fa9$00$1@news.t-online.com>, tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net > says... >> James Beck wrote: >>> In article <fg7q88$9kt$02$1@news.t-online.com>, tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net >>> says... >>>> James Beck wrote: >>>>> In article <fg7l98$h1k$00$1@news.t-online.com>, tokay.gris.beau@gmx.net >>>>> says... >>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>> In article <8MqdnQZ7eIgkT7vanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles & Mambo >>>>>>> Duckman <duckman@gfy.slf> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that there was a primordial pond. Tell me the exact location of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> primordial pond. >>>>>>>>>>>> Earth. >>>>>>>>>>> Be more specific. >>>>>>>>>> Third planet from the Sun, Solar system, Milky Way Galaxy. >>>>>>>>> If you can't tell me the location of the primordial pond, don't expect me >>>>>>>>> to tell you the location of heaven. >>>>>>>> I gave you the location. What do you expect me to do, give you coordinates >>>>>>>> of an event that happened before the continents formed, merged, separated, >>>>>>>> merged again, separated again, etc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now that you have the location of the primordial pond neatly narrowed down >>>>>>>> to a particular planet out of the Universe billions of light years across, >>>>>>>> give me a rough idea where "heaven" is. Next door to Nirvana? Two blocks >>>>>>>> south of Hades? Three miles NE of Valhalla, exit 167? >>>>>>> Heaven is in another dimension. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, he gets specific. Now we are into the sci-fi realm. And/or actual >>>>>> science. So far, the best "idea" ("M-theory") is that there are 11 >>>>>> dimensions. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I guess you don't even know what a "dimension" is? >>>>>> >>>>>> Used in the sci-fi-sense, it is a different place. Which is bullshit, of >>>>>> course. Scientifically or better yet, mathematically, it is rather >>>>>> easy (for mathematicians at least. Not for me) to calculate many >>>>>> dimensions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, lets say, we mix up the dimensions of M-theory with the >>>>>> sci-fi-dimensions. You have 7 to choose from (four are already taken). >>>>>> Which one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Tokay >>>>>> >>>>> Time isn't REALLY a dimension. >>>>> Not a spatial one, >>>> Of course it is not spatial. There are only 3 spatial dimensions. >>> Maybe...... >>> >>>> like you guys are referring to. >>>>> Calling it the 4th dimension was just a mental crutch to make things >>>>> easier to explain. >>>> It works out quite well in spacetime of Einstein... >>> Yep, and he admitted that the usage was playing a bit fast and loose >>> with terminology. >>> >>>> But ok. He can chose from eight, if he likes, because three are taken. >>>> And ignore time as a dimension. >>> Well, if he chooses the 11th, he better lose some weight. >>> According to one of the brane theorists, the 11th is where gravity leaks >>> to us from. In that dimension, gravity would be the dominant force and >>> over ride electrical forces. >> I stand corrected. You obviously know more about it than I do. I watched >> a BBC-documentary about M-theory, but that is about my knowledge or it. >> >> (I NEED more time to read all the stuff I want to read and learn all the >> stuff I want to learn...) >> >>>> (I rather think that time works as a dimension. Well, in theory of >>>> spacetime. Maybe you are correct and it just makes things easier to >>>> explain. But I don't see any other way to explain the phenomena we see >>>> regarding light. But well, I am no astrophysicist) >>>> >>>> Tokay >>> If time is occurring in quanta then the speed of light is just because >>> you can only travel a maximum of one Planck length per tick....hmmmmmm >>> crazy idea number 335. Maybe we are in "The Matrix"......... >> I am a certified SciFi-nut. And a sometime (though nothing published) >> writer. This could actually be used in a novel... hm. Time in quanta... >> hm. That would mean that there is a "smallest, indivisible part of >> time"... which COULD mean, that there is another world slightly >> offset... which could open up an nice background piece... have to think >> about it... >> >> Like in this TV-series "sliders" or in "The Number of the Beast" from >> Heinlein or even .... Quote
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